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LTIsTheGreatest : 4/8/2021 12:58 pm
Not sure if this has been posted already but word is that Jerry Jones absolutely loves TE Kyle Pitts and will try hard to trade up from #10 to get him. Jones has always valued his tight ends. Feels Pitts will be the next Jason Witten.
But does Stephen Jones love him?  
j_rud : 4/8/2021 1:05 pm : link
I dont think Jerry's got the war room clout that he used to, and Dallas has been much better for it.
NO!  
richinpa : 4/8/2021 1:09 pm : link
Last thing we want is to face him 2x/year

Hope he goes earlier!
I could see this  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/8/2021 1:12 pm : link
They have issue on defense and the line is older and gets injured more often but if they can stay healthy they would have a very explosive offense to offset defense liabilities.
Dallas Was Going to Get a Great Player Regardless  
HMunster : 4/8/2021 1:12 pm : link
Whether a top flight CB in Surtain or someone else. Pitts was not going to fall to us. I'm fine with Dallas spending the extra draft capital to move up.
well, I mean  
SirYesSir : 4/8/2021 1:13 pm : link
he's nothing like Jason Witten. But I could certainly see a number of teams willing to go hard after Pitts. Wise of Atlanta to keep the rumour around they'd take him to drive up the value
Cost is going to be expensive to move up.  
Giant John : 4/8/2021 1:18 pm : link
Maybe too much to spend?
It's fine  
Thegratefulhead : 4/8/2021 1:18 pm : link
They are going to have give the capital it would take to move up to get a QB because that is what they are competing with. We will put a lot of points against the Cowpukes if they don't get cornerS.
they would have to get to #4/Atl  
stoneman : 4/8/2021 1:18 pm : link
who is looking to move down. Would cost them their 2nd, maybe more since they are moving into 4th QB territory.

Not sure coming out of the draft with Pitts and a 3rd round defensive player would be worth the upgrade in offense. They can already score points, just can't stop them.
Dallas has picks  
Des51 : 4/8/2021 1:20 pm : link
1st rd pk 11, 2nd rd pk 44, 3rd rd pks 75 & 99 4th rd pks 115 & 138, 5th rd pk 179, 6th rd pks 192 & 227, 7th rd pk 238.
Correction  
Des51 : 4/8/2021 1:21 pm : link
1ST RD PK 10
Fine with me  
George from PA : 4/8/2021 1:22 pm : link
Great.....hope he trades several #1s

As long as DeVonta Smith  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2021 1:26 pm : link
falls to us I can care less about the other 10 picks. This would probably be a blessing in disguise as Dallas would continue to build their offense and completely neglect their D. Tweener WR/TE’s that can’t block scare me anyway. Too much boom/bust potential.
Make it happen Jerrah ... make it happen.  
Spider56 : 4/8/2021 1:26 pm : link
Pitts is no Jason Witten.
I would take Pitts over just about anyone  
Capt. Don : 4/8/2021 1:28 pm : link
but how many targets can he possibly get in Dallas?

Cooper, Lamb, Gallup (arguably the most underrated WR in the league) and Zeke needs his touches too.

At what point are you just spinning your wheels with adding more weapons?
RE: I would take Pitts over just about anyone  
aGiantGuy : 4/8/2021 1:38 pm : link
In comment 15213846 Capt. Don said:
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but how many targets can he possibly get in Dallas?

Cooper, Lamb, Gallup (arguably the most underrated WR in the league) and Zeke needs his touches too.

At what point are you just spinning your wheels with adding more weapons?


They’re probably planning to move on from Gallup, they can’t afford him, either way I’m with you, definitely spinning their wheels and I hope this happens.
RE: RE: I would take Pitts over just about anyone  
eric2425ny : 4/8/2021 1:41 pm : link
In comment 15213850 aGiantGuy said:
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In comment 15213846 Capt. Don said:


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but how many targets can he possibly get in Dallas?

Cooper, Lamb, Gallup (arguably the most underrated WR in the league) and Zeke needs his touches too.

At what point are you just spinning your wheels with adding more weapons?



They’re probably planning to move on from Gallup, they can’t afford him, either way I’m with you, definitely spinning their wheels and I hope this happens.


I was worried they may take Smith for the reason you mentioned. I’m pretty sure this is Gallup’s contract year. If they had Cooper, Lamb, Smith, and Gallup for at least one season it would be scary. If that happens we better draft Surtain.
RE: Make it happen Jerrah ... make it happen.  
djm : 4/8/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15213841 Spider56 said:
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Pitts is no Jason Witten.


Oh please. Witten did one thing incredibly well, he stayed healthy. He was a nice player but never an impact player. Solid blocker. Solid receiver at TE. He was kyle Rudolph with longevity.

If Pitts reaches his potential and plays for 7 years he will be more than worth the trade up.
RE: RE: RE: I would take Pitts over just about anyone  
Capt. Don : 4/8/2021 1:51 pm : link
In comment 15213852 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15213850 aGiantGuy said:


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In comment 15213846 Capt. Don said:


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but how many targets can he possibly get in Dallas?

Cooper, Lamb, Gallup (arguably the most underrated WR in the league) and Zeke needs his touches too.

At what point are you just spinning your wheels with adding more weapons?



They’re probably planning to move on from Gallup, they can’t afford him, either way I’m with you, definitely spinning their wheels and I hope this happens.



I was worried they may take Smith for the reason you mentioned. I’m pretty sure this is Gallup’s contract year. If they had Cooper, Lamb, Smith, and Gallup for at least one season it would be scary. If that happens we better draft Surtain.


If they can protect Dak, they are scary without D. Smith.

I guess my question is, is a 4th WR/TE like Smith/TE going to have minimal impact because of diminishing marginal returns? I think so.
*Smith/Pitts  
Capt. Don : 4/8/2021 1:51 pm : link
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I'd think Micah Parsons fits need and culture for them.  
FStubbs : 4/8/2021 2:01 pm : link
I can't see them passing on him even if Pitts is there.

Slater would also be an option for them - their offensive line is still talented but getting older and brittle.

With a weakened offensive line and/or defense I don't care how many skill players they have.
Dallas does have a need at TE  
beatrixkiddo : 4/8/2021 2:29 pm : link
and they have capital to do it with 2 3rds and 2 4ths this year. Have a feeling Chase and Pitts will be off the board before 7 though. I certainly don't want to see him in Dallas, but if Dallas neglects that depleted defense it wont make a difference.
Trading up for a TE  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/8/2021 2:35 pm : link
Unfortunately that franchise isn’t that stupid.
Pitts in Dallas is worst case scenario  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 2:37 pm : link
draft. Their D sucks but it might not even matter with Pitts. They can still grind games out with Zeke after getting a lead and they can just use the rest of their picks on D.

Really hope this doesn't happen.
They are set in the receiving game  
RAIN : 4/8/2021 2:50 pm : link
I would think defense at this point is a necessity.
Jerry doesn’t run the Cowboys draft  
Rick in Dallas : 4/8/2021 2:52 pm : link
Will McClay and Stephen Jones make the picks. Jerry stays on his yacht and smiles after the picks are announced.
I hope they do take Pitts if he's there  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/8/2021 3:03 pm : link
because they need defense much more than they need offense - Surtain or Parsons would help them a lot

However is claiming that Witten was not an impact player above really does not understand that the term impact means. Witten had a huge impact on the Dallas offense - and Pitts is not Witten. Witten was one tough SOB. He would just as soon block you and knock you as catch the ball --

Pitts is a WR not a TE -- I'm through with the Beckhams and Engrams and Pittses -- remember Kellers? Ebron? Jimmy Graham the 2 year wonder? -- absolutely through with them -- I don't want a pretend TE who can catch
Beware of the Cowboys trying to trade up at the end of the first  
Rick in Dallas : 4/8/2021 3:04 pm : link
They have a lot of draft capital 10 picks. I could definitely see them trying to use some of their picks to get back in the bottom of the first round to get safety Trevor Moehrig,
Beautiful  
UGADawgs7 : 4/8/2021 3:07 pm : link
If they are stupid enough to trade up to take Pitts. They have a horrible defense and need help with the OL. If they trade with ATL let’s say to take Pitts, sweet. I don’t see ATL going OL at 10 so that could be one more possibility that Slater falls to NYG.
They can be a good team  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/8/2021 3:11 pm : link
but I still think Dak is going to hold them back from getting over the hump (I wonder if those rumors were true about them going after Wilson). Nice QB but some flaws. They most likely will be the Giants toughest division opponent. Think we have a coaching advantage as well.
This comes from Mike Fisher  
fanatic II : 4/8/2021 3:14 pm : link
famous for click bait and being wrong everytime.

There is an identical thread at the Cowboyzone and the majority of the posters are ridiculing and mocking Fisher. He post this crap there all the time.

Believe it if you wish, but Dallas isn't trading up for any player in this draft.
IMO three non-QB are worth a trade up  
Reale01 : 4/8/2021 3:16 pm : link
Aside from the QBs,

Pitts, Sewell, Chase are the three non QBs worth a trade up.
Cowboys are not trading for Wilson  
Rick in Dallas : 4/8/2021 3:22 pm : link
They are very happy to have Dak at QB for the next 4 years.

dim, your evaluation of Jason Witten’s career is ridiculous. A terrific TE who could catch the ball and block you on your ass.
RE: Cowboys are not trading for Wilson  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/8/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15213968 Rick in Dallas said:
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They are very happy to have Dak at QB for the next 4 years.

dim, your evaluation of Jason Witten’s career is ridiculous. A terrific TE who could catch the ball and block you on your ass.


Yes obviously not now. There were rumors of them looking at the QB market before the signing. They also franchised him twice so I think you can argue they had some concerns imo.
I wouldn't worry too much  
lugnut : 4/8/2021 3:55 pm : link
Gmen have always been good at covering Dallas TEs, and TEs in general.
Jimmy Graham was not a 2 year wonder  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 4:01 pm : link
and technically should be a HoFer. He had 46 TD's in a 4 year stretch from 2011-14 and will finish his career with 700+ receptions and well over 8,000 yards. His peak years were cut short by that injury and he's still likely going to the HoF.

If you don't want prime Jimmy Graham than I don't know what else to say.
to expand  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 4:07 pm : link
that 4 years stretch was roughly 89/1100/11.5 which includes games missed.
RE: Jimmy Graham was not a 2 year wonder  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/8/2021 5:16 pm : link
In comment 15214001 UConn4523 said:
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and technically should be a HoFer. He had 46 TD's in a 4 year stretch from 2011-14 and will finish his career with 700+ receptions and well over 8,000 yards. His peak years were cut short by that injury and he's still likely going to the HoF.

If you don't want prime Jimmy Graham than I don't know what else to say.


Kind of hard to take that seriously. And the Ebrons of the world? Bringing up a guy who for a stretch was best TE in the game, but whose career got totally derailed by injuries.

And Ebron? Ebron couldn't catch or run routes in in college, and was over drafted based on his physical attributes.
RE: Pitts in Dallas is worst case scenario  
81_Great_Dane : 4/8/2021 6:09 pm : link
In comment 15213920 UConn4523 said:
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draft. Their D sucks but it might not even matter with Pitts. They can still grind games out with Zeke after getting a lead and they can just use the rest of their picks on D.

Really hope this doesn't happen.
It's a draft. Every team gets players. Some of them get really good players. This isn't a thing to worry about IMO. If the Giants draft well, it doesn't matter to me whether Dallas takes Surtain or Pitts or Parsons or anyone else.
Yes but this takes their offense  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 7:05 pm : link
to a whole new level. If Pitts went to Philly or Washington I wouldn’t really care but he can be unreal in Dallas.
....  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 7:13 pm : link
I doubt think it happens, but if it does, well...Dallas TEs have been killing us for decades so @ least we'll be used to it.
Good  
Bricktop : 4/8/2021 7:43 pm : link
Let them sell the farm for Pitts. We WANT Skelator to make all the football decisions. Let the rest of the FO clean his glasses, change his diapers and arrange for strippers.
RE: I'd think Micah Parsons fits need and culture for them.  
Milton : 4/8/2021 7:46 pm : link
In comment 15213885 FStubbs said:
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I can't see them passing on him.
Fingers crossed, Parsons would be a perfect fit for Dallas!
Can Pitts play defense for them  
Breeze_94 : 4/8/2021 9:02 pm : link
because their defense flat out stinks
I'm not sure this is a good move for Dallas  
DavidinBMNY : 4/9/2021 8:49 am : link
Dak was injured in part due to the aging OL which has been a force for Dallas. The Defense also was very bad last year. Some of that may have been scheme/coaching.

For team building after drafting Lamb last year, they would be well served to upgrade the OL or secondary. By RD 2 they are not getting the same talent at CB they get in rd1 , big drop off.

The argument against this, is you draft Pitts, pair him with Lamb and let Ridley walk for cap reasons after this season.

Dallas has been quiet in FA, I'd expect them to have a strong draft.
RE: Jimmy Graham was not a 2 year wonder  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/9/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15214001 UConn4523 said:
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and technically should be a HoFer. He had 46 TD's in a 4 year stretch from 2011-14 and will finish his career with 700+ receptions and well over 8,000 yards. His peak years were cut short by that injury and he's still likely going to the HoF.

If you don't want prime Jimmy Graham than I don't know what else to say.


Graham was dominant for several years. This thread is a little funny because while people rightfully celebrate Witten, his longevity is a significant reason he's looked at so fondly. Graham had double-digit TD's 4 times including a league-high 16 in 2013 while Witten never broke into double-digits. Graham also averaged a full yard more than Witten and ended up with 8 more TD's in 5 less seasons than Witten.

He had a very high peak
RE: RE: Jimmy Graham was not a 2 year wonder  
Big Blue '56 : 4/9/2021 9:39 am : link
In comment 15214552 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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In comment 15214001 UConn4523 said:


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and technically should be a HoFer. He had 46 TD's in a 4 year stretch from 2011-14 and will finish his career with 700+ receptions and well over 8,000 yards. His peak years were cut short by that injury and he's still likely going to the HoF.

If you don't want prime Jimmy Graham than I don't know what else to say.



Graham was dominant for several years. This thread is a little funny because while people rightfully celebrate Witten, his longevity is a significant reason he's looked at so fondly. Graham had double-digit TD's 4 times including a league-high 16 in 2013 while Witten never broke into double-digits. Graham also averaged a full yard more than Witten and ended up with 8 more TD's in 5 less seasons than Witten.

He had a very high peak


How on earth do you have all that in your head? Very impressive.
Wapner..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/9/2021 9:41 am : link
is on Tuesday's. Time for Judge Wapner!!
RE: Wapner..  
Big Blue '56 : 4/9/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15214583 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is on Tuesday's. Time for Judge Wapner!!


That’s right! My bad.
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