He actually has six quarterbacks going in the first round with Davis Mills of Stanford going to Tampa Bay at the end of the first round. The Giants would be drafting Micah Parsons here.
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He was more durable in college than Waddle. I want no part of Waddle if he can't demonstrate that he is back from his injury. His performance in championship game was nowhere near 11th overall caliber especially when Smith was putting up 12 for 215 and 3 TD's against same opponent.
Isn't Vacciano the only one with any insight to the pick? And it's like the day before. There's no one with insight right now. IMO.
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Isn't Vacciano the only one with any insight to the pick? And it's like the day before. There's no one with insight right now. IMO.
Don't know if you are being facetious or not, but the two gold standards of being tuned into teams thinking are Glazer and Schraeger, everyone else in a very far second.
And you are right, there is no one with total insight right now, but this is when the rumblings start and probably why he didn't release his first mock until right now. Personally, having a hard time not believing it's Smith, but Schraeger knows his stuff, so I doubt this is coming out of left field.
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Isn't Vacciano the only one with any insight to the pick? And it's like the day before. There's no one with insight right now. IMO.
Not sure how plugged in he is anymore, had them taking Wirfs last year
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Isn't Vacciano the only one with any insight to the pick? And it's like the day before. There's no one with insight right now. IMO.
Not sure how plugged in he is anymore, had them taking Wirfs last year
Many people, including some insiders here had us on Wirfs.
I am still waiting for the horrible character concerns that make Parsons a prohibitive pick, because he would absolutely complete our defense. Hazing? In a power 5 football program? No way! Football players are meatheads.
The funny thing is though, he dismissed Parsons to NY on Good Morning Football last week
If Waddle is Tyreek Hill, as Cosell and many others say, that's not a bad consolation prize if Smith is off the board.
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The funny thing is though, he dismissed Parsons to NY on Good Morning Football last week
Then perhaps he doesn't have a great sense on what the Giants will do. Many media folk thought Wirfs last year. Very few had Thomas.
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The funny thing is though, he dismissed Parsons to NY on Good Morning Football last week
Which is even more interesting. Schraeger certainly isn't a guy to make shit up for clicks and these situations are always fluid. Possibly made some presumptions based on the orgination and is hearing differently now? I don't really pay attention to these until a week until draft because things change so much, but certainly find it interesting he dismissed it previously.
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The funny thing is though, he dismissed Parsons to NY on Good Morning Football last week
Then perhaps he doesn't have a great sense on what the Giants will do. Many media folk thought Wirfs last year. Very few had Thomas.
If memory serves me right it was essentially between Wirfs and Thomas, but they viewed Thomas as a guy that can play LT and Wirfs not.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
you should e-mail Greg Cosell because he literally *just said* Waddle is Tyreek Hill.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
Shit brickhouses gross me out
I think you might be right. I don't think it's a sure thing at all. Defense has to be in play. ER/LB especially.
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Hill has like a 40" vert, is built like a shit brickhouse and more sudden than Waddle.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
you should e-mail Greg Cosell because he literally *just said* Waddle is Tyreek Hill.
Weird, because Hill didnt have a serious ankle injury that required screws, kept him limping to finish the season and he actually had a pro day where he ran sub 4.3 and leapt over 40 inches.
Stupid thing for Cossell to say and even less excusable for you to believe based on those facts. Cossell is in the media, his job is to say things that raise the eyebrows. Its up to you to discern them. But I think that advice is lost on you.
I am still waiting for the horrible character concerns that make Parsons a prohibitive pick.
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Hill has like a 40" vert, is built like a shit brickhouse and more sudden than Waddle.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
you should e-mail Greg Cosell because he literally *just said* Waddle is Tyreek Hill.
Weird, because Hill didnt have a serious ankle injury that required screws, kept him limping to finish the season and he actually had a pro day where he ran sub 4.3 and leapt over 40 inches.
Stupid thing for Cossell to say and even less excusable for you to believe based on those facts. Cossell is in the media, his job is to say things that raise the eyebrows. Its up to you to discern them. But I think that advice is lost on you.
Cosell watches every single snap this kid ever had with Alabama. He watches all the top receiving prospects. He probably watched and logged all of Tyreek Hill's snaps. Cosell knows what he's looking at. Waddle isn't just fast he is an elite twitch athlete.
Wow, then why are we even discussing this?
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I am still waiting for the horrible character concerns that make Parsons a prohibitive pick.
Did somebody promise to inform you on the subject? Isn't it possible that those who are aware of his "horrible character concerns" feel no responsibility to keep you in the loop? I have a funny feeling the Giants are going to make their pick without checking with you ahead of time.
Love the snark from you....because it is totally unreasonable to want to know what the actual character concerns are that are being mentioned about a player. I mean, because fantastic players havent had their stock plummet due to speculated issues that held merit (Lane Johnson PEDs, Tyreek Hill domestic violence) versus those that don't (Laremy Tunsil, Dan Marino drugs).
It would be much more reasonable for me to be banging the drum for my favorite football team to choose a player based on my sharing religious beliefs with him right?
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Hill has like a 40" vert, is built like a shit brickhouse and more sudden than Waddle.
Waddle is very fast and lanky with two screws in his ankle.
you should e-mail Greg Cosell because he literally *just said* Waddle is Tyreek Hill.
Weird, because Hill didnt have a serious ankle injury that required screws, kept him limping to finish the season and he actually had a pro day where he ran sub 4.3 and leapt over 40 inches.
Stupid thing for Cossell to say and even less excusable for you to believe based on those facts. Cossell is in the media, his job is to say things that raise the eyebrows. Its up to you to discern them. But I think that advice is lost on you.
Cosell watches every single snap this kid ever had with Alabama. He watches all the top receiving prospects. He probably watched and logged all of Tyreek Hill's snaps. Cosell knows what he's looking at. Waddle isn't just fast he is an elite twitch athlete.
While that may be,he also finished the season with an injury significant enough that it hobbled him in the Champ Game as well as kept him from performing at his pro days. So he, unlike Hill, is an unknown quantity at this point. What if that ankle injury becomes far more of an issue for his career? What kind of help does twitchiness provide that gets him over that issue?
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The thing is, Parsons is a flawed prospect even without the character concerns. Maybe not too flawed to be a first round pick, but too flawed to go #11 overall. He is not big enough to play DE in a 4-3 and he has a lot to learn about the LB position. Does he have the football IQ and instincts to be an every down LB? That's gonna be a leap of faith for the team that selects him. As for the character concerns, if Rico were the only source it would be easier to dismiss, but he isn't the only source, and he was pretty adamant. More adamant than our asshats usually are with their proclamations.
p.s.--Lane Johnson's stock didn't plummet, he went #4 overall.
I had really wanted Parsons early on, bit have cooled off on him largely because I too had heard he lacked the cover skills I thought he had. But don't act like that is the main reason he is being knocked. It's the hazing shit and it is beyond strange to me (others have said this as well) that we have no clue of anything specifically injurious or gruesome that he did to deserve such a slip.
Be as snarky as you want, just be prepared to be called a dick for it and at least attack what my original position is. What you made was the definition of a straw man argument.
So what are you actially trying to say here? Because that's kinda the thing I want more clarification on. I never demanded anything from NFL execs to reveal info. I said, "Im still waiting" on it because I have yet to pass judgement on things.
Oh, and because multiple media sources say the same thing without sourcing their material, that means it holds weight right?
Ridiculous response. Now post a stupid youtube clip in retort.
I have no doubt if he played for Alabama he would have had a monster season, too. And very likely a top 5-7 pick. There is absolutely nothing Mac Jones can do that Mills can't do as well.
I have no doubt if he played for Alabama he would have had a monster season, too. And very likely a top 5-7 pick. There is absolutely nothing Mac Jones can do that Mills can't do as well.
Tell me about Mond. I’ve seen headlines saying he’s a fast riser.
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call out by Schraegs. This kid is on the rise.
I have no doubt if he played for Alabama he would have had a monster season, too. And very likely a top 5-7 pick. There is absolutely nothing Mac Jones can do that Mills can't do as well.
Tell me about Mond. I’ve seen headlines saying he’s a fast riser.
Good football player and athlete. Has a lot of starts under his belt at A&M and has gotten a bit better every year. But needs to trim a lot of fat in his game to see if there is an NFL QB there. Could never really string a lot of good games together. Would have a great game, but then disappear for a game or two. So a bit of a paradox.
Not the most electric arm but he can move plays on the move. Has some robotic looking mechanics where he doesn't look very natural throwing the ball.
I could see him as a solid 3rd round prospect. I know Chris Simms is very high on him and makes a compelling case.
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call out by Schraegs. This kid is on the rise.
I have no doubt if he played for Alabama he would have had a monster season, too. And very likely a top 5-7 pick. There is absolutely nothing Mac Jones can do that Mills can't do as well.
Tell me about Mond. I’ve seen headlines saying he’s a fast riser.
Good football player and athlete. Has a lot of starts under his belt at A&M and has gotten a bit better every year. But needs to trim a lot of fat in his game to see if there is an NFL QB there. Could never really string a lot of good games together. Would have a great game, but then disappear for a game or two. So a bit of a paradox.
Not the most electric arm but he can move plays on the move. Has some robotic looking mechanics where he doesn't look very natural throwing the ball.
I could see him as a solid 3rd round prospect. I know Chris Simms is very high on him and makes a compelling case.
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So what are you actially trying to say here? Because that's kinda the thing I want more clarification on.
Maybe it's something as simple as those that know him best think he's a jerk and would not fit the culture they are trying to create. Maybe he's not considered very coachable. Maybe there's been an incident, separate from the hazing incident, that has yet to be made public, but looms.
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I never demanded anything from NFL execs to reveal info. I said, "Im still waiting" on it because I have yet to pass judgement on things.
Neither you nor I are making the pick, so we don't need to pass judgment on him. This is about the information that the Giants scouting department is privy to. They are the ones who are making the pick, they are the ones whose judgment matters.
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Oh, and because multiple media sources say the same thing without sourcing their material, that means it holds weight right?
It's not just the media, it's Rico (and I think another asshat, too). He was pretty adamant that Parsons was not an option at #11 and may even be off the Giants board altogether.
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Now post a stupid youtube clip in retort.
Here you go...
Dude you just read what you choose to. I AM NOT ADVOCATING FOR PICKING PARSONS.
You've always been long winded, but now you're just annoying.
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call out by Schraegs. This kid is on the rise.
I have no doubt if he played for Alabama he would have had a monster season, too. And very likely a top 5-7 pick. There is absolutely nothing Mac Jones can do that Mills can't do as well.
Tell me about Mond. I’ve seen headlines saying he’s a fast riser.
Good football player and athlete. Has a lot of starts under his belt at A&M and has gotten a bit better every year. But needs to trim a lot of fat in his game to see if there is an NFL QB there. Could never really string a lot of good games together. Would have a great game, but then disappear for a game or two. So a bit of a paradox.
Not the most electric arm but he can move plays on the move. Has some robotic looking mechanics where he doesn't look very natural throwing the ball.
I could see him as a solid 3rd round prospect. I know Chris Simms is very high on him and makes a compelling case.
thanks. I saw a story scroll by which questioned whether he or Mack will go first.