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Schein: Daniel Jones...Among... make-or-break players in '21

Trainmaster : 4/8/2021 3:21 pm
I don't care for Adam Schein at all. It's stating the obvious that with the return of Barkley, better weapons and a likely better offensive line, Jones is expected to do better, probably much better.

Schein doesn't really say what his "make" criteria is. He says "winning season"; is that all that's required? What about make playoffs?, individual numbers of turnovers?, TDs?, passing yards? etc.

Here's his "over the top" (IMHO) take (music to the ears of the anti-Jones and anti-Gettleman crowd):

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The Kenny Golladay signing was flat-out great. He gives the Giants a legit No. 1 receiver. Saquon Barkley is on the road to recovery. Joe Judge did a heck of a job as a first-time head coach, squeezing six wins out of last year's roster.



Daniel Jones is out of excuses -- if , that is, you foolishly gave him a pass in the first place. Jones was a reach at No. 6 overall in the 2019 draft and has displayed an unfortunate knack for turning the ball over as the Giants' quarterback (SEE: 22 interceptions and 17 lost fumbles in 27 career games). I love how he got the band together to work out this offseason. But I think it is foolish of John Mara to believe, as he told Ian O'Connor of the New York Post, that Jones can get you to the Super Bowl.. I don't think he's capable of a logging winning season or becoming entrenched as Big Blue's QB1 for years to come.



If Jones can't get it together in Year 3, the Giants will have to move on from the quarterback -- and the man who drafted him.

NFL.com Daniel Jones, Ezekiel Elliott, Odell Beckham Jr. among NFL's make-or-break players in 2021 - ( New Window )
Schein is a Jets Homer  
JoeyBigBlue : 4/8/2021 3:34 pm : link
He’s borderline unprofessional with his biased takes. I don’t take anything he says seriously.
"A likely better offensive line"  
CT Charlie : 4/8/2021 3:35 pm : link
could be a possible possibility at best, especially if any of the starters sustains an injury.
I get the take of a 'make or break' year...  
BamaBlue : 4/8/2021 3:36 pm : link
that's an opinion. But, to state that Jones is incapable of pulling off a winning season is flat-out dumb.
what  
Ron Johnson : 4/8/2021 3:38 pm : link
does the guy who empties waste baskets at nfl.com think?
He has mastered the  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/8/2021 3:46 pm : link
art of being the loudest in the room.

I think he is fair pointing out the turnovers and most accept this is a very important year for Jones.

The not capable of a winning season is overkill and obviously he is not a fan of DG.
RE: Schein is a Jets Homer  
Jints in Carolina : 4/8/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15213977 JoeyBigBlue said:
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He’s borderline unprofessional with his biased takes. I don’t take anything he says seriously.


The funny part is when he was on NFL Radio in Sirius's infancy, he proclaimed he was a Giants fan.
Nothing wrong with anyone saying that about Jones  
mfsd : 4/8/2021 4:05 pm : link
but Schein is still a twit
I've got no problem with that  
UConn4523 : 4/8/2021 4:08 pm : link
he's either our QB of the future or he isn't and 2021 needs to be the year that decides it one way or another.
RE: what  
Klaatu : 4/8/2021 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15213983 Ron Johnson said:
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does the guy who empties waste baskets at nfl.com think?




Adam Schein is a dick, but he's not wrong. Jones needs to light it up this year.
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mfsd : 4/8/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15214016 Klaatu said:
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does the guy who empties waste baskets at nfl.com think?





Adam Schein is a dick, but he's not wrong. Jones needs to light it up this year.


Haha well done
I have no opinion on Schein  
Producer : 4/8/2021 4:25 pm : link
I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.
Jury is still out on Jones  
Bill L : 4/8/2021 4:31 pm : link
Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.
RE: Jury is still out on Jones  
Producer : 4/8/2021 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15214043 Bill L said:
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Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.


I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.
RE: RE: Jury is still out on Jones  
Bill L : 4/8/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15214060 Producer said:
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Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.



I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.


Maybe so.

What's the difference, exactly?
RE: I have no opinion on Schein  
chopperhatch : 4/8/2021 4:44 pm : link
In comment 15214031 Producer said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.


Still the very worst. Numb skull, provocative, repetitive posts. KYS
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Producer : 4/8/2021 4:48 pm : link
In comment 15214062 Bill L said:
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Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.



I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.



Maybe so.

What's the difference, exactly?


Darnold was widely hailed as a first round QB. Most had him top-5. There were a couple who did not have him as a first rounder, as I recall, but very few. In retrospect, more should have been made of his mechanical flaws as his lousy footwork and inconsistency have dogged him in the pros.
Make or Break Is Legit Call  
MojoEd : 4/8/2021 4:49 pm : link
Everything else is just a hot take attempt to kick up interest. Guys like Schein are dead career wise if the can’t generate interest or eyeballs. Accuracy is not the primary objective. I say this all sympathetically; it’s a tough business.
RE: RE: I have no opinion on Schein  
Producer : 4/8/2021 4:55 pm : link
In comment 15214081 chopperhatch said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.



Still the very worst. Numb skull, provocative, repetitive posts. KYS


KYS? For a post that unremarkably disagrees with your viewpoint? Wow. I can see why the pit bull owner wanted to take your head off. You probably earned every bit of his ire. Your responses to me are so off the wall and out of proportion, I can only assume you are somewhere on the spectrum.
I think Jones gets two more years to show it  
gogiants : 4/8/2021 5:40 pm : link
I don't see the Giants moving on from Jones before his 4 yr rookie contract expires. Nor should they. The fifth year option is the soonest a decision will be made. Jones has shown enough in the last two years to warrant two more years. That is my opinion.
RE: I have no opinion on Schein  
Klaatu : 4/8/2021 5:49 pm : link
In comment 15214031 Producer said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside.


No it isn't. Inside the bubble the vast majority of us are just as realistic as those outside the bubble. We want to see improvement - I'd even go so far as to say dramatic improvement. There's certainly room for it. The only real difference between those who are inside the bubble and those who are outside is that inside we're rooting for Jones. Outside, they're not.

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Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB.


That's ridiculous. I doubt more than a tiny handful actually believe that, just as an equally tiny handful believe that Jones is a bust. What "many here" have a adopted is a "wait-and-see" attitude.

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It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.


Yes, it "is a season Jones has to put it together." That's precisely what Schein said, and as I wrote earlier, he isn't wrong.
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Producer : 4/8/2021 5:58 pm : link
In comment 15214152 Klaatu said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside.



No it isn't. Inside the bubble the vast majority of us are just as realistic as those outside the bubble. We want to see improvement - I'd even go so far as to say dramatic improvement. There's certainly room for it. The only real difference between those who are inside the bubble and those who are outside is that inside we're rooting for Jones. Outside, they're not.



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Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB.



That's ridiculous. I doubt more than a tiny handful actually believe that, just as an equally tiny handful believe that Jones is a bust. What "many here" have a adopted is a "wait-and-see" attitude.



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It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.



Yes, it "is a season Jones has to put it together." That's precisely what Schein said, and as I wrote earlier, he isn't wrong.


fair enough.
This notion  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/8/2021 6:28 pm : link
that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.

I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.

RE: This notion  
Jim in Tampa : 4/8/2021 6:56 pm : link
In comment 15214205 Bavaro_the_Mafioso said:
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that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.

I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.

Agreed!

The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.
RE: RE: This notion  
BlueVinnie : 4/8/2021 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15214225 Jim in Tampa said:
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that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.

I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.



Agreed!

The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.

+1
RE: RE: This notion  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/8/2021 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15214225 Jim in Tampa said:
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that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.

I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.



Agreed!

The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.


Thanks, Jim. I'm not a rah rah poster, but we all want team success. Sick and tired of this BS!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/8/2021 7:37 pm : link
Not a fan of Schein, but I think he's right. Sink or swim time for DJ. I hope he succeeds, but gun to head...I don't think he's the long term answer.
Limit turnovers and win games  
kelsto811 : 4/8/2021 7:41 pm : link
All I care about
I like Jones but he's not wrong  
AcesUp : 4/8/2021 8:18 pm : link
I think 3 years is enough time to kind of know if he's your guy. Yes, he could still turn it around but at that point it's like holding an underperforming stock too long. Sure, it could turn around but the odds are against it and you're more likely to cost yourself much more in the end.

If Jones disappoints this year, he's still on that rookie contract, so I wouldn't consider it an all hands on deck "we must get a new QB" situation. However, it would probably be a situation where the Giants should be open to looking at other options if one were available. Even that's a big If given that QBs are hard to come by.
No more excuses for Jones  
US1 Giants : 4/8/2021 8:37 pm : link
He'd better be very good.
RE: I like Jones but he's not wrong  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 4/8/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15214302 AcesUp said:
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I think 3 years is enough time to kind of know if he's your guy. Yes, he could still turn it around but at that point it's like holding an underperforming stock too long. Sure, it could turn around but the odds are against it and you're more likely to cost yourself much more in the end.

If Jones disappoints this year, he's still on that rookie contract, so I wouldn't consider it an all hands on deck "we must get a new QB" situation. However, it would probably be a situation where the Giants should be open to looking at other options if one were available. Even that's a big If given that QBs are hard to come by.


Agree; hope for the best but plans in place for the worst.
Schein  
joeinpa : 4/8/2021 9:03 pm : link
The next time he reflect upon the Giants in a positive manner will be the first.

As to Jones, I ll take Coach Judge at his word as to the talent of this kid.
Everybody knows...  
trueblueinpw : 4/8/2021 11:30 pm : link
Pretty much every NFL fan knows that a QB1 gets three seasons to “sink or swim”. Not exactly going out on a limb. More interesting is how the Giants qualify sinking and swimming.
Peyton manning  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/8/2021 11:40 pm : link
threw 58 interceptions in his first three seasons. Hey, Adam, chill. Your bias is showing.
So it's a make-or-break season  
jhibb : 4/9/2021 12:12 am : link
for Jones, but Schein has already decided he can't do it and anybody who thinks he can is foolish?

Brilliant as always. This guy was horrible on Syracuse sports radio back when his was the only sports station I could get in the car. I have no idea how he keeps getting jobs.
Then again, he also made some brilliant  
jhibb : 4/9/2021 12:16 am : link
predictions about Sam Darnold last year, so we should probably pay attention.
LOL
https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/adam-schein-jets-qb-sam-darnold-will-become-a-star-in-2020 - ( New Window )
I have no idea how Schein made time to come up with this take  
montanagiant : 4/9/2021 12:33 am : link
Given the "Ultra-busy call-ins" to his show.

I'm sorry and I may be biased but IMO anyone talking sports should have at least played some in High School before talking about them
Schein is awful  
bLiTz 2k : 4/9/2021 5:17 am : link

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RE: Everybody knows...  
joeinpa : 4/9/2021 8:21 am : link
In comment 15214418 trueblueinpw said:
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Pretty much every NFL fan knows that a QB1 gets three seasons to “sink or swim”. Not exactly going out on a limb. More interesting is how the Giants qualify sinking and swimming.


This is the best summary of the “sink or swim “ narrative I have read. It is something totally ignored by those who speak with certainty about what this season means for Jones and his Giants career.
RE: RE: Everybody knows...  
Brown_Hornet : 4/9/2021 8:48 am : link
In comment 15214504 joeinpa said:
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Pretty much every NFL fan knows that a QB1 gets three seasons to “sink or swim”. Not exactly going out on a limb. More interesting is how the Giants qualify sinking and swimming.



This is the best summary of the “sink or swim “ narrative I have read. It is something totally ignored by those who speak with certainty about what this season means for Jones and his Giants career.

I agree.
We know he's accurate and has plenty of arm.
We know he has plus traits (his legs).
We don't know how he processes what's in front of him.
IMV, this is what the coaching staff will consider "sink or swim."
It will have nothing to do with stats and likely little to do with W/L though W/L will be something that fans will pound the table for.

Regardless of TD/INT and W/L, if Joe Judge likes the way that DJ processes/makes throwing decisions in 2021, he will be the Giants QB in 2022.
RE: I have no opinion on Schein  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/9/2021 8:57 am : link
In comment 15214031 Producer said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.


What constitutes the "Big Blue Bubble"?? If it is the fan base, you can see just from BBI that there are several posters who chime in on every Jones thread to reiterate how poor Jones is, so how glowing is the view in the "bubble"?
Schein is a bit of a charlatan,  
Section331 : 4/9/2021 8:57 am : link
but he's not wrong here. I mean, even DJ's defenders on BBI agree that he has to play better this year.
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Walnut : 4/9/2021 9:15 am : link
This is basically Jones' rookie year. Considering this is the first year he'll have real weapons and a 2nd year with the offensive system. It's like Eli in 05 where you don't really count 04.

He'll get at least until the end of his rookie contract to prove himself, like Eli did/would've even without the SB in 08.
RE: RE: I have no opinion on Schein  
Bill L : 4/9/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15214540 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.



What constitutes the "Big Blue Bubble"?? If it is the fan base, you can see just from BBI that there are several posters who chime in on every Jones thread to reiterate how poor Jones is, so how glowing is the view in the "bubble"?


I would second this. I honestly can't think of a single post (or poster) that said that Jones is a surefire franchise QB. Granted, I haven't read every single post or pay attention to many specific posters. But, it's certainly not a common refrain. I've seen a lot of hate, obviously, but the contrary side is a "we don't know yet", "we've seen potential" or, the most common sentiment, "he is out of excuses and this year will tell".
I didn't read what Schein wrote  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/9/2021 10:09 am : link
Just came to post that he is literally the one media person that I instantly change the channel as soon as he comes on.
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