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The Kenny Golladay signing was flat-out great. He gives the Giants a legit No. 1 receiver. Saquon Barkley is on the road to recovery. Joe Judge did a heck of a job as a first-time head coach, squeezing six wins out of last year's roster. Daniel Jones is out of excuses -- if , that is, you foolishly gave him a pass in the first place. Jones was a reach at No. 6 overall in the 2019 draft and has displayed an unfortunate knack for turning the ball over as the Giants' quarterback (SEE: 22 interceptions and 17 lost fumbles in 27 career games). I love how he got the band together to work out this offseason. But I think it is foolish of John Mara to believe, as he told Ian O'Connor of the New York Post, that Jones can get you to the Super Bowl.. I don't think he's capable of a logging winning season or becoming entrenched as Big Blue's QB1 for years to come. If Jones can't get it together in Year 3, the Giants will have to move on from the quarterback -- and the man who drafted him. |
I think he is fair pointing out the turnovers and most accept this is a very important year for Jones.
The not capable of a winning season is overkill and obviously he is not a fan of DG.
The funny part is when he was on NFL Radio in Sirius's infancy, he proclaimed he was a Giants fan.
Adam Schein is a dick, but he's not wrong. Jones needs to light it up this year.
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does the guy who empties waste baskets at nfl.com think?
Adam Schein is a dick, but he's not wrong. Jones needs to light it up this year.
Haha well done
I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.
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Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.
I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.
Maybe so.
What's the difference, exactly?
Still the very worst. Numb skull, provocative, repetitive posts. KYS
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Where there is a verdict is on his Jets where it's already proven that Darnold was a reach at #3.
I think Darnold was more of a bust than a reach. But either way it was bad for the J-E-T-S.
Maybe so.
What's the difference, exactly?
Darnold was widely hailed as a first round QB. Most had him top-5. There were a couple who did not have him as a first rounder, as I recall, but very few. In retrospect, more should have been made of his mechanical flaws as his lousy footwork and inconsistency have dogged him in the pros.
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.
Still the very worst. Numb skull, provocative, repetitive posts. KYS
KYS? For a post that unremarkably disagrees with your viewpoint? Wow. I can see why the pit bull owner wanted to take your head off. You probably earned every bit of his ire. Your responses to me are so off the wall and out of proportion, I can only assume you are somewhere on the spectrum.
No it isn't. Inside the bubble the vast majority of us are just as realistic as those outside the bubble. We want to see improvement - I'd even go so far as to say dramatic improvement. There's certainly room for it. The only real difference between those who are inside the bubble and those who are outside is that inside we're rooting for Jones. Outside, they're not.
That's ridiculous. I doubt more than a tiny handful actually believe that, just as an equally tiny handful believe that Jones is a bust. What "many here" have a adopted is a "wait-and-see" attitude.
Yes, it "is a season Jones has to put it together." That's precisely what Schein said, and as I wrote earlier, he isn't wrong.
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside.
No it isn't. Inside the bubble the vast majority of us are just as realistic as those outside the bubble. We want to see improvement - I'd even go so far as to say dramatic improvement. There's certainly room for it. The only real difference between those who are inside the bubble and those who are outside is that inside we're rooting for Jones. Outside, they're not.
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Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB.
That's ridiculous. I doubt more than a tiny handful actually believe that, just as an equally tiny handful believe that Jones is a bust. What "many here" have a adopted is a "wait-and-see" attitude.
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It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.
Yes, it "is a season Jones has to put it together." That's precisely what Schein said, and as I wrote earlier, he isn't wrong.
fair enough.
I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.
I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.
Agreed!
The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.
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that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.
I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.
Agreed!
The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.
+1
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that fans cant be critical of DG and Jones yet still root for their success is ridiculous. I want DG to be successful, but he deserves every bit of the criticism he receives here for the questionable decision-making.
I am on the fence about Jones but just dont see the future with him at the helm. I like the intangibles,but again, I hope I'm proven wrong.
Agreed!
The thought that those BBIers who still believe in (Eli/DG/Jones/Barkley) etc. are the REAL fans and those that criticize (pick a name) are rooting for him (and the Giants) to fail, just so you can be proven right is one of the oldest and lamest takes on BBI.
Thanks, Jim. I'm not a rah rah poster, but we all want team success. Sick and tired of this BS!
If Jones disappoints this year, he's still on that rookie contract, so I wouldn't consider it an all hands on deck "we must get a new QB" situation. However, it would probably be a situation where the Giants should be open to looking at other options if one were available. Even that's a big If given that QBs are hard to come by.
If Jones disappoints this year, he's still on that rookie contract, so I wouldn't consider it an all hands on deck "we must get a new QB" situation. However, it would probably be a situation where the Giants should be open to looking at other options if one were available. Even that's a big If given that QBs are hard to come by.
Agree; hope for the best but plans in place for the worst.
As to Jones, I ll take Coach Judge at his word as to the talent of this kid.
Brilliant as always. This guy was horrible on Syracuse sports radio back when his was the only sports station I could get in the car. I have no idea how he keeps getting jobs.
LOL
https://www.newyorkjets.com/news/adam-schein-jets-qb-sam-darnold-will-become-a-star-in-2020 - ( New Window )
I'm sorry and I may be biased but IMO anyone talking sports should have at least played some in High School before talking about them
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This is the best summary of the “sink or swim “ narrative I have read. It is something totally ignored by those who speak with certainty about what this season means for Jones and his Giants career.
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Pretty much every NFL fan knows that a QB1 gets three seasons to “sink or swim”. Not exactly going out on a limb. More interesting is how the Giants qualify sinking and swimming.
This is the best summary of the “sink or swim “ narrative I have read. It is something totally ignored by those who speak with certainty about what this season means for Jones and his Giants career.
I agree.
We know he's accurate and has plenty of arm.
We know he has plus traits (his legs).
We don't know how he processes what's in front of him.
IMV, this is what the coaching staff will consider "sink or swim."
It will have nothing to do with stats and likely little to do with W/L though W/L will be something that fans will pound the table for.
Regardless of TD/INT and W/L, if Joe Judge likes the way that DJ processes/makes throwing decisions in 2021, he will be the Giants QB in 2022.
What constitutes the "Big Blue Bubble"?? If it is the fan base, you can see just from BBI that there are several posters who chime in on every Jones thread to reiterate how poor Jones is, so how glowing is the view in the "bubble"?
He'll get at least until the end of his rookie contract to prove himself, like Eli did/would've even without the SB in 08.
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I think this just points out that outside of the Big Blue bubble the thinking on Jones is different than inside. Many here assume, for some reason, that jones is widely heralded as a guy who is *the goods*, a guy with *all the tools*, a guy who is celebrated as a surefire franchise QB. It's not the case. Realistically, there have been a few positives and a lot of negatives. This is a season Jones has to put it together.
What constitutes the "Big Blue Bubble"?? If it is the fan base, you can see just from BBI that there are several posters who chime in on every Jones thread to reiterate how poor Jones is, so how glowing is the view in the "bubble"?
I would second this. I honestly can't think of a single post (or poster) that said that Jones is a surefire franchise QB. Granted, I haven't read every single post or pay attention to many specific posters. But, it's certainly not a common refrain. I've seen a lot of hate, obviously, but the contrary side is a "we don't know yet", "we've seen potential" or, the most common sentiment, "he is out of excuses and this year will tell".