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NFT: Marlins at Mets Game 2 deGrom

ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 1:23 pm
Mets Lineup

Brandon Nimmo – CF
Francisco Lindor – SS
Michael Conforto – RF
Pete Alonso – 1B
Dominic Smith – LF
James McCann – C
Jeff McNeil – 2B
Jonathan Villar – 3B
Jacob deGrom – RHP

Marlins Lineup

Corey Dickerson – LF
Starling Marte – CF
Jesus Aguilar – 1B
Garrett Cooper – RF
Brian Anderson – 3B
Jazz Chisholm Jr. – 2B
Miguel Rojas – SS
Chad Wallach – C
Trevor Rogers – LHP

JD Davis is to IL. Peraza recalled. Kilome DFA. deGrom do i ant in first. Nimmo leadoff double is on fire.
Really hate losing Kilome for a few  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 1:25 pm : link
days of Peraza. Gross.
Injury updates from Scott today...  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 1:27 pm : link
Seth Lugo: "Next month"
Carrasco: "Progressing well, throwing bullpen sessions, has not started running yet"
Syndergaard: "Has been impressing, on track for June.. likely mid month"
1st and 3rd and no outs  
KDavies : 4/10/2021 1:38 pm : link
Don’t score a run. Bad move to run there by Lindor and Conforto has no business hitting 3rd the way he is hitting now.
Great play by McCann there  
KDavies : 4/10/2021 1:43 pm : link
Nice to have a catcher who is a positive defensively
Conforto  
NewBlue : 4/10/2021 2:12 pm : link
And frankly the rest of the team look like crap this fist few games
Conforto seems to very clearly pressing  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 2:14 pm : link
I actually kind of get the motivation keeping him up in the 3 hole - he has a pretty wide performance variance and the good Conforto would justify that spot.

But we aren't getting good conforto right now, which is why McNeil has been the better player to this point of their careers. Conforto runs too hot and cold. hitting McNeil 7th is a joke if the team isn't scoring runs and the middle of the order is leaving men on base.
Offense terrible today  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 2:17 pm : link
Rogers does look electric though....

Marlins are going to be a pain in our ass for a long time with that rotation.
hey look at that McNeil not coming up with a runner on base  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 2:25 pm : link
because someone inferior hitting above him made out.
Love watching deGrom pitch  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 2:27 pm : link
but the rest of the team always makes these games a snooze fest.
McNeil hitting this low in the order is lunacy.  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 2:29 pm : link
Screams of a manager that doesn’t have a clue.
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ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 2:29 pm : link
Lindor: .200
Conforto: .158
McNeil: .083
McCann: .188
McNeil's BABIP is .000  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 2:36 pm : link
he is generating walks and not striking out better than his career numbers. his exit velocity and max exit velocity is actually better than previous years. He's had a few hard outs but like usual he is putting in quality at bats.
NimmoBP  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 2:44 pm : link
Best leadoff hitter in baseball.
kkonforto needs to get aggressive and look for a pitch to hit  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 2:48 pm : link
just make good contact and get the ball in the air.
RE: kkonforto needs to get aggressive and look for a pitch to hit  
Mike in NY : 4/10/2021 2:49 pm : link
In comment 15215806 Eric on Li said:
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just make good contact and get the ball in the air.


Or maybe he can get hit by a pitch to load up the bases
RE: RE: kkonforto needs to get aggressive and look for a pitch to hit  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 2:51 pm : link
In comment 15215807 Mike in NY said:
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just make good contact and get the ball in the air.



Or maybe he can get hit by a pitch to load up the bases


If rojas has the urge to give someone a day off he's a good candidate right now.
If they are fine moving McNeil down in the order,  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 2:51 pm : link
then they can do the same for Conforto. I’m sure he’ll bust out of it but you just can’t continue to waste these opportunities. Don’t care how early it is...all the games count the same.
Unbelievable how bad this team is in deGrom games.  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 2:52 pm : link
This is embarrassing.
His average box score in ND/Losses  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/10/2021 3:15 pm : link
for the last two+ years has to be ridiculous.
I believe in deGrom's two starts  
schabadoo : 4/10/2021 3:21 pm : link
He leads the team in hits with three.
He’s going to be  
Everyone Relax : 4/10/2021 3:22 pm : link
0-1 with a .64 ERA. Hard to believe
Diaz not fooling anyone  
Metnut : 4/10/2021 3:26 pm : link
out there
At this point, I wish they would just do  
PwndPapi : 4/10/2021 3:27 pm : link
deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.
RE: At this point, I wish they would just do  
Everyone Relax : 4/10/2021 3:28 pm : link
In comment 15215843 PwndPapi said:
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deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.

This is such a stupid narrative that people like to regurgitate every degrom start
Well I hope this is all just a case of it being early in the season  
moespree : 4/10/2021 3:32 pm : link
Because honestly, they don't look so good and it's pretty disappointing, flat, start to the season. One I was not really expecting.
Crazy...  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 3:32 pm : link
Mets best hitter w/RISP coming into today mIn of 4/PA?

McCann: .833/OPS

Next up was Conforto with a .708/OPS
RE: RE: At this point, I wish they would just do  
PwndPapi : 4/10/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15215846 Everyone Relax said:
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deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.


This is such a stupid narrative that people like to regurgitate every degrom start


Unfortunately, it gets regurgitated because this team is so consistently inept playing behind the best SP in baseball running on 3+ seasons.
RE: RE: At this point, I wish they would just do  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 3:36 pm : link
In comment 15215846 Everyone Relax said:
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deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.


This is such a stupid narrative that people like to regurgitate every degrom start


Well, the “every deGrom start” part kinda proves the point.
pretty safe bet they score 2 in the 9th now  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 3:38 pm : link
just one game but this mental block they have in JDG games is a very loser-ish habit.

also does anyone trust Diaz in the slightest? Unless something changes in between his ears it's hard to believe he will ever be able to stay consistent at bat to at no less game to game or week to week.
RE: RE: RE: At this point, I wish they would just do  
Everyone Relax : 4/10/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15215854 CooperDash said:
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deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.


This is such a stupid narrative that people like to regurgitate every degrom start



Well, the “every deGrom start” part kinda proves the point.

Ok I agree, let’s trade the second best pitcher in Mets history because we feel bad for him and the $25m a year he’s making? That will show them!
that strikeout from Familia may be 1 non JDG thing to build on  
Eric on Li : 4/10/2021 3:42 pm : link
from this putrid afternoon. This isn't really a prediction but he may be a lot closer to being their best option at closer than we all realize.
RE: RE: RE: RE: At this point, I wish they would just do  
CooperDash : 4/10/2021 3:49 pm : link
In comment 15215857 Everyone Relax said:
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deGrom a solid and trade him to a contender. He deserves better than these pack of losers.


This is such a stupid narrative that people like to regurgitate every degrom start



Well, the “every deGrom start” part kinda proves the point.


Ok I agree, let’s trade the second best pitcher in Mets history because we feel bad for him and the $25m a year he’s making? That will show them!


Nobody wants to trade deGrom. Or is at least serious about that. Figured that was obvious. Fans are just frustrated, and rightfully so. Just let them be frustrated. Sorry it bugs you so much.
Mets  
GF1080 : 4/10/2021 3:49 pm : link
This team is hard to root for especially with all the anti-vaxxing.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/10/2021 3:50 pm : link
I don't follow baseball much but my Mets fans cousins never get over how little run support deGrom gets. It is very weird.
Complete no show today  
Metnut : 4/10/2021 3:51 pm : link
Front office is hopefully exploring options in case they want to move on from Chile Davis. Never hurts to be too prepared.
Flat start to the season  
moespree : 4/10/2021 3:58 pm : link
Hopefully it's just a case of being early.

But truth be told, this does not look like a good team. Or at least not as good a team as many expected.
Being annoyed at the "narrative" is stupid.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/10/2021 4:01 pm : link
The "narrative" is a fact. He's had a good chunk of his career wasted by bad run support. It's been years of this.
RE: I believe in deGrom's two starts  
JoeMoney19 : 4/10/2021 4:10 pm : link
In comment 15215837 schabadoo said:
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He leads the team in hits with three.

Hits in JDG's two starts:
0 – Alonso, McNeil, Villar
1 – Pillar, Lindor, Alonso, Davis, McCann, Smith
2 – Conforto, Nimmo
3 – JDG
.  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 4:16 pm : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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In 185 career starts, Jacob deGrom has allowed one or no runs 87 times.

Absolutely insane.
Conforto  
ryanmkeane : 4/10/2021 5:27 pm : link
has to be one of the most “he’s a really good player but I never want to see him batting in a clutch situation” guys of all time
I used the word "gutless" to describe this team  
Chris L. : 4/10/2021 6:02 pm : link
last year and nothing has changed. I just KNEW Diaz would give up a run in the top of the ninth so we would have no chance with the middle of the lineup coming up in the bottom of the ninth. NO ONE on this team except DeGrom comes up big in big spots. Diaz, Familia, Conforto...a bunch of chokers. Its why you needed to bring in Springer. He knows how to win and maybe could have taught this bunch something. And watching Rojas "manage" this bunch until he gets fired...which he absolutely will...is going to be difficult. Sorry for the rant.
RE: Conforto  
moze1021 : 4/10/2021 8:40 pm : link
In comment 15215964 ryanmkeane said:
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has to be one of the most “he’s a really good player but I never want to see him batting in a clutch situation” guys of all time


I think the stats say otherwise for his career...by he is indeed off to a brutal start
The main thing that is deflating  
allstarjim : 4/10/2021 10:25 pm : link
Is that, especially with Carrasco and Thor out, you have to win JDG's starts, and thy've lost both. It's early, and this time has too many good hitters for this to continue, but to go 0-2 in those starts is incomprehensible. The logical side of me thinks that there's no way this can continue, they're going to break out, but obviously this is bot the start you wanted.

For the psyche of this team, they need to win tomorrow.

And dammit this pen misses Lugo. Can't get him back soon enough.
RE: The main thing that is deflating  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15216215 allstarjim said:
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Is that, especially with Carrasco and Thor out, you have to win JDG's starts, and thy've lost both. It's early, and this time has too many good hitters for this to continue, but to go 0-2 in those starts is incomprehensible. The logical side of me thinks that there's no way this can continue, they're going to break out, but obviously this is bot the start you wanted.

For the psyche of this team, they need to win tomorrow.

And dammit this pen misses Lugo. Can't get him back soon enough.


I wouldnt go that far. Stroman is back now and Walker had a great first start. Really aside from one bad first inning for Peterson, the rotation has looked really good, even Luchessi in relief.

That said ,it sure will be nice to get Carrasco, Syndergaard, and Lugo back.
Supposed to rain non-stop  
ZGiants98 : 4/10/2021 10:44 pm : link
the next few days...

Just what this offense needs, MORE days off.

Ugh.
lindor  
Hilary : 4/11/2021 7:15 am : link
terrible trade terrible contract
so far they've had 2 issues  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2021 10:01 am : link
1. the BP has sucked. Cost them a win opening day, Barnes gave up the homer on a first pitch, Castro gave up some lasers, Diaz crapped the bed yesterday and cost them a chance to tie game in 9th.

2. the bats have been relatively cold - headlined by Conforto's 33% k rate in the 3 hole and multiple times yesterday leaving men on 3rd with less than 2 outs. Lineup decisions by Rojas have no helped at all. They cannot bench Smith or McNeil right now and they have to stop hitting McNeil 7th. He came up like 3x yesterday with 2 outs and nobody on.

Need both to turn around, simple as that, and Rojas needs to do better.

Biggest concern has to be Diaz who is not getting swings and misses with his FB. His ability to consistently locate has been non-existent for 2+ years now. And as crazy as this sounds I think they need to consider giving Familia some save opps with clean 9th innings. He is hitting 98 with good movement and in his 2 appearances hasn't given up any hard contact. Yes he is an adventure but so is Diaz right now. May as well audition both of them while Lugo is out.
just to expand on the BP point - here's Diaz' statcast vs. Familia's  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2021 10:07 am : link
Obviously super super early with small sample sizes but Diaz is not fooling anyone right now.

Diaz


Familia
also reminder the last 2 years Diaz has been 99% percentile in whiff%  
Eric on Li : 4/11/2021 10:09 am : link
as a Met that's about the only thing that's been consistent whether he's been good or bat he's gotten swings and misses. If he's not doing that look out.
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Named Later : 4/11/2021 11:20 am : link
I'm sorry, but this team has put me in a bad mood to start the season. This bunch has only won one game legitimately. The Braves are going to out-slug them, the Marlins are out-pitching them, and the Phillies and Nats are going to out-manage this team on a regular basis. The entire division will play better defense, except for maybe at shortstop.

The schedule in May has 2 nasty road trips, with just enough off-days to keep the Mets offense from getting into any kind of groove. By the end of June, they'll have played the Braves and Phillies about 25 games.....which should be enough to get the Manager fired.
RE: lindor  
Section331 : 4/11/2021 11:25 am : link
In comment 15216285 Hilary said:
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terrible trade terrible contract


Yeah, trading for and signing the best young SS in baseball is terrible. Stop posting.
deGrom is one of the most valuable MLB players  
PwndPapi : 4/11/2021 2:07 pm : link
of the last 4/5 years and will be lucky to finish his career with 100 career wins and hover somewhere around .500 winning percentage. Talk about wasting talent.
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