According to @MattLombardoNFL, there's a feeling inside the NFL that Giants GM Dave Gettleman is enamored with Alabama wide receiver DeVonta Smith. #TogetherBlue #NFLDraft |
I take everything Lombardo says with a grain of salt. Think he's by far the worst Giants best writer, but I hope this is true.
I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL. Golladay & Smith on the outside with Shep in the slot. Slayton & John Ross as WR4 and WR5 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Smith is a silky smooth route runner, elusive, with fantastic change of direction skills. He’s also a gifted route runner who sinks his hips beautifully and can create additional separation by how quickly he can get in and out of breaks. His top end speed is excellent. His hands are fantastic, including a repertoire of highlight reel catches.
My understanding is that his finger isn’t quite healed, but I assume it will be shortly. The main concern is his rail thin frame. He’s 6’1” and about 170. Can he take the pounding in the NFL? Fine china is beautiful, until it’s broken.
I don't think the Harrison comps are apt. Harrison was sturdier in the legs and ran with a choppier style.
The Isaac Bruce comp makes much more sense to me.
Yup. Judge makes the call, imo.. They work well together according to Mara. DG will sign off on anyone Judge and staff are really high on, imv..The Draft and this year’s FA were different under Judge and DG
I like Smith too but I agree the enamored, full bloom nonsense is bizarre. He's a football player, not the blonde in your biology class.
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Gettleman's call?
Yup. Judge makes the call, imo.. They work well together according to Mara. DG will sign off on anyone Judge and staff are really high on, imv..The Draft and this year’s FA were different under Judge and DG
Mara has enormous respect and faith in Judge, imv. Judge is the FIRST HC Mara has seen where the players play 60 for 60, at least since TC was in his prime here
one would hope
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
the more likelier scenario is someone trades in front of the Giants for Smith.
Have at it guys, get it out of your system....at least until the next thread about a draft prospect you want to hijack.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
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If I was Gettleman I'd call Detroit, Carolina & Denver about trading up. IMO Smith is good enough to justify trading up unless the price is insane which I don't think it will be.
Rick, that sounds very uncharacteristic of you, the trade up and at reasonable price?
If EE is part of the price, I think a lot of folks (not you necessarily) going to be take a cold dunk of reality for what he can (not) fetch.
Normally I'm not very interested in trading up, but I like Smith a lot. Always have. Thought he was better than Jeudy & Ruggs last year. Think he's a guy who will be a consistent 1200 yard and 8+ TD guy. Davante Adams type guy.
Yup
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Tampa?
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of course he couldn't fake interest in someone else or keep it to himself until the draft.
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Yes. This isn't about paper. This is about production. Lets not crown them before they've proven anything. That is the point. Let them prove something before we start saying they are the best at anything. I hate rankings whether it is teams, groups, or individuals. It's foolish imo. Why can't we just say that would be a nice group on paper and an improvement from what we've recently have? Why do we have to get into comparisons with other teams?
I am a big Slayton fan but he's always banged up. Shepard has had way too many concussions and other nagging injuries. Ross is a bum. I like Golladay but he still has to reach the potential that most believe he should attain. Any rookie WR is far from a given. Potential? Yes. Best unit? They have a long way to go to be given that crown.
Also, lets look at what makes a great WR corps. You need a QB that can sling it. Daniel Jones is going to have to have a monster year to prove that these WRs are enough. And DJ needs help from his OL. This is the ultimate team sport for a reason.
Arizona comes to mind along with KC, Dallas, and TB off the top of my head.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Tampa?
AB is gone though right. So it’s just Evans and Godwin now. I agree with Rick, if we add Smith or IMO Waddle who may even be a better compliment to Golladay we would have an amazing receiving corps. If Shepard, Slayton, and Ross are your 3, 4, 5 that’s pretty damn good.
It’s because it appears to be a group effort now, with Judge having a say, and potentially others. It’s not DG out there wheeling and dealing with his dick in his hand.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
And don't forget our stud, ProBowl, mismatch machine at TE
That’s the best description of 2018 and 2019 I’ve read on this site, hands down.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Tampa?
AB is gone though right. So it’s just Evans and Godwin now. I agree with Rick, if we add Smith or IMO Waddle who may even be a better compliment to Golladay we would have an amazing receiving corps. If Shepard, Slayton, and Ross are your 3, 4, 5 that’s pretty damn good.
Scotty Miller played very well. Having a better 3, 4, and/or 5 WR doesn't mean you have a better group of WR. You can't just dismiss Evans and Godwin. They were both awesome prior to Brady showing up.
Look at Atlanta. Julio and Ridley is a ridiculous combo and Gage played well too. And Seattle had arguably the best 1-2 punch last year with Metcalf and Lockett and Moore was their number 3.
Again, long story short, why do we need to vault an unproven unit to the top of any list? Isn't it good enough to just say we have enough at the position to improve a ton?
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of course he couldn't fake interest in someone else or keep it to himself until the draft.
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
are you seriously saying you don't think that over the years the Giants have had quite a few draft room leaks (and sometimes it's screwed us because teams have jumped us, and Smith seems like the type of WR a team may jump us for.)
Andy Reid was in full bloom love with Mahomes. Guess that did not work out for him
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of course he couldn't fake interest in someone else or keep it to himself until the draft.
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
are you seriously saying you don't think that over the years the Giants have had quite a few draft room leaks (and sometimes it's screwed us because teams have jumped us, and Smith seems like the type of WR a team may jump us for.)
That happened during the Reese days. Nice try.
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of course he couldn't fake interest in someone else or keep it to himself until the draft.
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
I guessed Jones at 6 in February before that draft. I said again Jones would be in play at 6 on Jones's Pro Day thread. You could see that coming from miles away. Eli 2.0.
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It’s because it appears to be a group effort now, with Judge having a say, and potentially others. It’s not DG out there wheeling and dealing with his dick in his hand.
That’s the best description of 2018 and 2019 I’ve read on this site, hands down.
Ha ha, while the imagery may be disturbing it is also probably true.
Visions of Tom Cruise’s character from Tropic Thunder come to mind when I picture DG in the war room on draft day in 2018 and 2019. Maybe a little puffier.
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
Uh, Jones possibly going #6 was absolutely discussed.
I think there were two loose camps around that - 1)if you really believe in Jones as the QB just take him at #6 even if it may be too high and 2)Jones wasn't talented enough to justify using the 6th pick on him.
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He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
Uh, Jones possibly going #6 was absolutely discussed.
I think there were two loose camps around that - 1)if you really believe in Jones as the QB just take him at #6 even if it may be too high and 2)Jones wasn't talented enough to justify using the 6th pick on him.
This is true, I remember the endless posts on this topic.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Tampa?
AB is gone though right. So it’s just Evans and Godwin now. I agree with Rick, if we add Smith or IMO Waddle who may even be a better compliment to Golladay we would have an amazing receiving corps. If Shepard, Slayton, and Ross are your 3, 4, 5 that’s pretty damn good.
Scotty Miller played very well. Having a better 3, 4, and/or 5 WR doesn't mean you have a better group of WR. You can't just dismiss Evans and Godwin. They were both awesome prior to Brady showing up.
Look at Atlanta. Julio and Ridley is a ridiculous combo and Gage played well too. And Seattle had arguably the best 1-2 punch last year with Metcalf and Lockett and Moore was their number 3.
Again, long story short, why do we need to vault an unproven unit to the top of any list? Isn't it good enough to just say we have enough at the position to improve a ton?
Yea that’s a good benchmark to strive for, Atlanta.
It will be idiotic if the Giants burn the 11th pick in the draft after spending 18 mil per on a WR. Especially so considering they can find WR talent as deep as either of their 6th round picks.
If they go WR at 11 it will just be another strategically inept draft of the DG era where they’re a day late and a dollar short trying to play it safe building the roster.
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I would absolutely love for the Giants to draft Smith. If we added him we'd probably have the best receiving corp in the NFL.
Can you name a better group from top to bottom?
A Pro Bowler as your #1. Smith as your #2 (Yeah he could be a bust, but everything points to him being a stud). Shepard in the slot. Having players like Darius Slayton & John Ross as your 4th and 5th WR is damn good. Can't imagine there are many teams in the NFL that have a 4th WR that's averaged 750 yards and 5.5 TDs for their career.
Tampa?
AB is gone though right. So it’s just Evans and Godwin now. I agree with Rick, if we add Smith or IMO Waddle who may even be a better compliment to Golladay we would have an amazing receiving corps. If Shepard, Slayton, and Ross are your 3, 4, 5 that’s pretty damn good.
Scotty Miller played very well. Having a better 3, 4, and/or 5 WR doesn't mean you have a better group of WR. You can't just dismiss Evans and Godwin. They were both awesome prior to Brady showing up.
Look at Atlanta. Julio and Ridley is a ridiculous combo and Gage played well too. And Seattle had arguably the best 1-2 punch last year with Metcalf and Lockett and Moore was their number 3.
Again, long story short, why do we need to vault an unproven unit to the top of any list? Isn't it good enough to just say we have enough at the position to improve a ton?
Yea that’s a good benchmark to strive for, Atlanta.
It will be idiotic if the Giants burn the 11th pick in the draft after spending 18 mil per on a WR. Especially so considering they can find WR talent as deep as either of their 6th round picks.
If they go WR at 11 it will just be another strategically inept draft of the DG era where they’re a day late and a dollar short trying to play it safe building the roster.
So why didn’t the Giants draft a wide receiver last year so they wouldn’t be in this predicament?
He was a machine. He was outside, in the slot, returning punts, he put up 200+ yards and 3 TD’s in one half. I liked him before that game and afterwards was like shit, there goes any chance of us getting him at 11.
It’s a passing league by design. The NFL has made it almost impossible to play defense for two reasons: 1.) the concussion issue and 2.) how much money fantasy football makes them and promoting a passing league equals more points, more yards, more TD’s, more people who wouldn’t be regular fans in the 80’s and 90’s becoming regular viewers because they have something at stake in their fantasy football league.
Smith I believe is a perfect fit for the Giants, and will be very good right away. I expect Smith to be a very good receiver.
But Waddle excites me more, and I believe he's also a perfect fit for the Giants. I just believe Waddle is uncoverable.
I won't be unhappy with either, but Waddle is the true nightmare that can take this offense to a different dimension.
Smith I believe is a perfect fit for the Giants, and will be very good right away. I expect Smith to be a very good receiver.
But Waddle excites me more, and I believe he's also a perfect fit for the Giants. I just believe Waddle is uncoverable.
I won't be unhappy with either, but Waddle is the true nightmare that can take this offense to a different dimension.
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In comment 15216127 bw in dc said:
He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
Uh, Jones possibly going #6 was absolutely discussed.
I think there were two loose camps around that - 1)if you really believe in Jones as the QB just take him at #6 even if it may be too high and 2)Jones wasn't talented enough to justify using the 6th pick on him.
No it wasnt. I mean of course it was glanced over, but the talk was that we would take Jones at 15 or 17....whatever the Browns pick was. The only talk was that media types knew the Giants liked him, was a possibility with the 2nd 1st they had and then fewer media were suggesting "if you like a QB, you dont wait." Jones at 6 was absolutely a surprise.
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He has been unbelievably predictable with the draft. I'd love to play poker against the guy.
Of course, Doyle Brunson Gettleman would have you believe he is so dialed in with the rest of the league he knew for "a fact" two other teams would have drafted Jones before the Giants next pick at #17... ;)
Nope! Unbelievably predictable? No one said he was picking jokes at six. No one said he was picking Lawrence later in that same round. Some people guessed or predicted thomas last year. Woopee. And yes everyone knew he’d pick Barkley but ok that’s one.
Of course the guy is dialed into the league he’s been working in it for 3 decades. Clown post.
Uh, Jones possibly going #6 was absolutely discussed.
I think there were two loose camps around that - 1)if you really believe in Jones as the QB just take him at #6 even if it may be too high and 2)Jones wasn't talented enough to justify using the 6th pick on him.
No it wasnt. I mean of course it was glanced over, but the talk was that we would take Jones at 15 or 17....whatever the Browns pick was. The only talk was that media types knew the Giants liked him, was a possibility with the 2nd 1st they had and then fewer media were suggesting "if you like a QB, you dont wait." Jones at 6 was absolutely a surprise.
No, it wasn't.
Oh yes. Very noticeable how the distancing from DG has taken place. Not direct criticism of course, but the promotion of Judge taking the lead and signing off on things.
And it’s still unknown really how much...