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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 6:52 pm
8 PM start on a Sunday...uh, okay. Toronto has been pure trash this last month or so & no FVV or Anunoby tonight for the Tampa Raptors. Lowry is back after missing some time with a toe infection.

Let's keep the mojo going from Friday night's ballsy win! I'm guessing the starters will be Payton, Bullock, RJ, Julius, & Noel. LFG!

Also, I was flipping back & forth earlier between the Masters & Cs-Nuggets. Boston went on a 31-3 run (yes, you read that right) to beat Denver by double digits. The Nuggets bench was pure trash to end the 3rd/start the 4th & the starters weren't much better when Malone sent them back in. We're 1 1/2 back of Boston for the 7th seed.
Hornets and Miami  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:07 pm : link
have a tough few games coming up, expect them to fall back a little bit..Hornets just lost to Atlanta without Young and Collins
RE: Hornets and Miami  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15216862 nygiants16 said:
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have a tough few games coming up, expect them to fall back a little bit..Hornets just lost to Atlanta without Young and Collins


That's a shame...
Payton still starting  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:12 pm : link
absolute disgrace and my only gripe with Thibs..
When I saw the 8pm start  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 7:13 pm : link
I knew you’d complain about it.
RE: Payton still starting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15216868 nygiants16 said:
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absolute disgrace and my only gripe with Thibs..


I just don't get it. At all. But Thibs can be a stubborn MFer. Rose is just much, much better.
RE: When I saw the 8pm start  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15216870 bceagle05 said:
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I knew you’d complain about it.


Haha. I'm nothing if not predictable.

I ain't a young pup anymore & it's a Sunday. It'd be different if a Friday or Saturday. I just don't like these absurd late starts.
Tibbs obviously feels Payton offers better defense  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 7:19 pm : link
Whether any of us agree or not, It’s really not that hard to understand the why.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:23 pm : link
Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:26 pm : link
The Pelicans need to realize that Zion, not Ingram, is The Man.
RE: Tibbs obviously feels Payton offers better defense  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15216879 steve in ky said:
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Whether any of us agree or not, It’s really not that hard to understand the why.


He coukd be the best defensive player of all time and it still wouldnt justify him starting..
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:35 pm : link
Am I wrong in thinking Payton's defense is overrated? The way some talk about him make him out to your favorite guy Ben Simmons defensively.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15216880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.


Perhaps, and that isn’t really my point. All I’m saying is that Tibbs obviously values his defense in that spot. And really the bottom line is minutes played and Tibbs has shown that often on nights where Payton is not on offensively he sits much more even if he started. The starters aren’t really as important as total minutes and especially those late in the games.

Here's the thing with starting Payton  
Bricktop : 4/11/2021 7:38 pm : link
You hope he isn't a complete liability and manages to give you good minutes on the defensive end. Whatever you get offensively is a bonus. The team doesn't suffer mightily to start the game and you limit the minutes of a vet like Rose who has a lot of miles on him.

When the game is in high leverage situations during the 2nd half, you've most likely got a relatively fresh Rose to help bring it home. You're not relying on Payton to play in big time spots with the game on the line. I get Thibs thinking here.
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nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15216894 steve in ky said:
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In comment 15216880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.



Perhaps, and that isn’t really my point. All I’m saying is that Tibbs obviously values his defense in that spot. And really the bottom line is minutes played and Tibbs has shown that often on nights where Payton is not on offensively he sits much more even if he started. The starters aren’t really as important as total minutes and especially those late in the games.


When your down every game and the bench has to come in to make a come back, then who starts does matter..

The bench scored 72 points last gamr and they barely won
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15216893 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Am I wrong in thinking Payton's defense is overrated? The way some talk about him make him out to your favorite guy Ben Simmons defensively.


Severly overrated, especially at the end of a game where the team was doubling every possession and it was working, you tell the double team not to come and kyrie drills a 3 in your face
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:57 pm : link
I agree with nygiants16 on Payton starting. I just don't get it. But Thibs knows more basketball than I do so I defer to him. I just don't like it.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15216915 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree with nygiants16 on Payton starting. I just don't get it. But Thibs knows more basketball than I do so I defer to him. I just don't like it.


And that’s why it doesn’t really bother me. Tibbs is a real good coach plus he has an entire staff of assistance who work with the players advising him. So if this is what he feels puts them in the best position to win I assume he has the best handle on it, and has them playing well. It’s not like he is a complete idiot.

I guess I don’t see the point of coming complaining about it every single game.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:16 pm : link
steve, gotta bitch about something. Haha.

Nice start.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15216926 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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steve, gotta bitch about something. Haha.

Nice start.


Haha, yeah we are fans after all
Looks like we got good Randle tonight  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:18 pm : link
Look out
I nitpick Thibs a bit  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 8:20 pm : link
but just watch the ball movement, player movement, defensive intensity - it’s night and day from previous years. Have to remind myself once in awhile.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:21 pm : link
Lowry's ass should have it's own province in Canada.
I don't feel like getting into why Payton is starting.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 8:27 pm : link
But if he doesn't start and he plays then where is his game hurt you less? Imo, it is with the starters.

I completely understand getting off to a slow start but when that happens there are many others to blame. It isn't just Payton.

What matters most is who is playing late and that isn't Payton. This team is at its best when Burks is playing the point and that includes Rose imo. Burks is far from an ideal player at the point but he does enough scoring, breaking down the D, and passing to make this offense work.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:29 pm : link
Man. RJ...only 20. I'm excited.
Lowry  
Samiam : 4/11/2021 8:35 pm : link
Any talk of Lowry signing here next year?
RE: Lowry  
TommyWiseau : 4/11/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15216938 Samiam said:
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Any talk of Lowry signing here next year?


I'd much rather sign the younger Lonzo Ball
RE: I don't feel like getting into why Payton is starting.  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15216933 robbieballs2003 said:
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But if he doesn't start and he plays then where is his game hurt you less? Imo, it is with the starters.

I completely understand getting off to a slow start but when that happens there are many others to blame. It isn't just Payton.

What matters most is who is playing late and that isn't Payton. This team is at its best when Burks is playing the point and that includes Rose imo. Burks is far from an ideal player at the point but he does enough scoring, breaking down the D, and passing to make this offense work.


+1

Burks is good off the bench too.
Obi!  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:46 pm : link
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Refs refuse to give Quickley the call  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 8:53 pm : link
fouled twice no call, meanwhile the fat little flopper gets the call
RE: Obi!  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15216947 adamg said:
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That would have been insane if he was able to throw that down.
Lots of fouls  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:55 pm : link
I thought they were going to let them play after the first few possessions, but they're calling a lot. Knicks aren't happy.
RE: RE: Obi!  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15216951 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15216947 adamg said:

That would have been insane if he was able to throw that down.


Lowry was smart to foul, it would have pumped up the team even more.
RJ bringing a tear to my eye.  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 8:57 pm : link
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Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:58 pm : link
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RE: Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15216957 adamg said:
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The foul wasnt on Obis dunk, it was on Gibson going for the rebound, so loose ball
RE: RE: Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15216961 nygiants16 said:
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The foul wasnt on Obis dunk, it was on Gibson going for the rebound, so loose ball


Oh. That's lame. I really wish he nailed it then. Obi's looking a lot better lately though.
RJ is moving and doing things  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:31 pm : link
Nice
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 9:32 pm : link
TCB right now vs inferior team.
Payton still hasnt figured out  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:34 pm : link
you can dribble through a zone
RJ has the makings of a super star.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 9:35 pm : link
He just needs to keep progressing and being consistent. The future is bright for him. And best of all is he is a winning player. Imo, he has that "it" factor. I love that he gets guys better shots and can make things happen without just shooting a ton. This team needs more of that. There is more ball movement on offense this game than I can remember all year.
team has no clue how to put a team away  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:39 pm : link
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Letting this garbage team hang around  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Noel with 4 blocks  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:46 pm : link
Monsta
RE: RJ has the makings of a super star.  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15216983 robbieballs2003 said:
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He just needs to keep progressing and being consistent. The future is bright for him. And best of all is he is a winning player. Imo, he has that "it" factor. I love that he gets guys better shots and can make things happen without just shooting a ton. This team needs more of that. There is more ball movement on offense this game than I can remember all year.


As a rookie I told my daughter (who watches all the games with me) that he riminded me a little of Jordan. Not as a player or style of play, but his seriousness, determination, intensity, and desire to win. Its rare in such a young player and something that a team can build around imo
RE: Noel with 4 blocks  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15216997 adamg said:
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Monsta


Noel does a lot of things well. If the price is right I hope they bring him back next season
A rare rain delay in an arena game  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:55 pm : link
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Two point game.  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 10:05 pm : link
Come the fuck on.
what a joke  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
Have no clue how to put a team away..
They are doing exactly what Toronto wants  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
chuck up a bunch of 3s..
RE: what a joke  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15217011 nygiants16 said:
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Have no clue how to put a team away..


They have had this problem all season. Frustrating but they are still learning how to become a winning team and that’s part of the process and something that still needs improvement. How many more win would they have if they could consistently put teams away?
hahaha  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:14 pm : link
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Moving screens all over the place for the Raptors  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 10:16 pm : link
I have no idea what NBA refs even call anymore. All calls are completely subjective in this sport.
Total meltdown.  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 10:18 pm : link
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get off the court  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:18 pm : link
getting embarrassed by a bunch of scrubs
I'm glad Bullock finds that funny.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 10:19 pm : link
Douche.
RE: Moving screens all over the place for the Raptors  
kelsto811 : 4/11/2021 10:20 pm : link
In comment 15217017 CooperDash said:
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I have no idea what NBA refs even call anymore. All calls are completely subjective in this sport.


That's why it's the hardest sport to watch. Consistently inconsistent
Some ugly ball happening right now  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 10:21 pm : link
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They generously  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 10:22 pm : link
took three points off the board. We’ll take it.
RE: get off the court  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 10:22 pm : link
In comment 15217019 nygiants16 said:
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getting embarrassed by a bunch of scrubs


Listen, I agree. But when the opposing team scores a quick 5 points off of clear fouls (moving screens) what hell are you supposed to do? The worst officiating of any sport, by a really large margin. The NBA game today makes absolutely zero sense.
RE: RE: Moving screens all over the place for the Raptors  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 10:28 pm : link
In comment 15217021 kelsto811 said:
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I have no idea what NBA refs even call anymore. All calls are completely subjective in this sport.



That's why it's the hardest sport to watch. Consistently inconsistent


Yup, I don’t even get pissed anymore. It’s just a joke. I’ll watch it sporadically these days just because I love the Knicks, but the refs make themselves too much a part of the game. The refs subjective officiating is what decides the outcomes of games, not the teams.

And...Noel has the worst hands in the history of the NBA.
HE FELL DOWN ASSHOLES!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/11/2021 10:34 pm : link
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What a horrible call  
KevinBBWC : 4/11/2021 10:34 pm : link
Such BS he fell down.
Lol, what a shit show  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 10:36 pm : link
Quality NBA
RJ BARRETT!!!!!’  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/11/2021 10:37 pm : link
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CLUTCH GENE!!  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:37 pm : link
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Rowan!  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 10:38 pm : link
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RJ is going to be a star in this league.  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 10:38 pm : link
He’s so good already.
These refs just assume something happens  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 10:38 pm : link
Even if they don’t see it happen
RJ bitch!  
adamg : 4/11/2021 10:38 pm : link
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RJ  
Mike from SI : 4/11/2021 10:39 pm : link
Is gonna be a good player
RE: RJ  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 10:43 pm : link
In comment 15217043 Mike from SI said:
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Is gonna be a good player


Too late, he already is.
Two big double dribbles in this one  
adamg : 4/11/2021 10:45 pm : link
weird
Great hustle by Bullock there  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:45 pm : link
caused that double dribble
RE: Great hustle by Bullock there  
Vanzetti : 4/11/2021 10:47 pm : link
In comment 15217048 nygiants16 said:
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caused that double dribble


Bullock is a hard nosed defender. Limited player but never cheats the fans by half adding it
And again RJ doesn't get enough looks  
adamg : 4/11/2021 10:47 pm : link
19 points on 12 shots
Give credit to Raptors  
ryanmkeane : 4/11/2021 10:48 pm : link
for fighting back. 18 point lead in the NBA feels like 7 or 8. Take these wins anyway you can get them. Bad stretch for a lot of the second half but they came out really strong
not pretty but  
Del Shofner : 4/11/2021 10:49 pm : link
will take it
You know I may be open  
Jon in NYC : 4/11/2021 10:49 pm : link
to Lowry as a FA. He's 35 but he probably has two more solid years left. 17-7-5 this year with very solid %s.
Are the Raptors going  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:50 pm : link
to match anything for Trent?

Would you throw money at Ball and Trent?

Ball, Trent, Rj, Randle, Mitch, is not to bad
RE: Are the Raptors going  
Jon in NYC : 4/11/2021 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15217055 nygiants16 said:
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to match anything for Trent?

Would you throw money at Ball and Trent?

Ball, Trent, Rj, Randle, Mitch, is not to bad


I just hate going after RFAs so much. You have basically 0 power throughout the process and it usually doesn't end well.
I don't think it's a given as to who in 5 years is going to be viewed  
Del Shofner : 4/11/2021 10:57 pm : link
as the best among Zion, Ja and RJ. I think we're now seeing why RJ was so highly regarded. He's turning into a real pro with all the skills and killer instinct.
RE: RE: Are the Raptors going  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15217057 Jon in NYC said:
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to match anything for Trent?

Would you throw money at Ball and Trent?

Ball, Trent, Rj, Randle, Mitch, is not to bad



I just hate going after RFAs so much. You have basically 0 power throughout the process and it usually doesn't end well.


yeah i do to, but the best free agents are restricted this year, not counting Kawhi
RE: I don't think it's a given as to who in 5 years is going to be viewed  
Jon in NYC : 4/11/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15217058 Del Shofner said:
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as the best among Zion, Ja and RJ. I think we're now seeing why RJ was so highly regarded. He's turning into a real pro with all the skills and killer instinct.


Ja seems to have stepped back which is strange, but Zion is taking a leap it seems like. Points the last 7 games: 38, 37, 16, 34, 28, 38, 39
RE: RE: I don't think it's a given as to who in 5 years is going to be viewed  
Del Shofner : 4/11/2021 11:03 pm : link
In comment 15217061 Jon in NYC said:
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as the best among Zion, Ja and RJ. I think we're now seeing why RJ was so highly regarded. He's turning into a real pro with all the skills and killer instinct.



Ja seems to have stepped back which is strange, but Zion is taking a leap it seems like. Points the last 7 games: 38, 37, 16, 34, 28, 38, 39


No question on Zion's talent, I just think he's an injury risk. If he's not, no question he'll be beasting.
RE: RE: I don't think it's a given as to who in 5 years is going to be viewed  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 11:06 pm : link
In comment 15217061 Jon in NYC said:
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as the best among Zion, Ja and RJ. I think we're now seeing why RJ was so highly regarded. He's turning into a real pro with all the skills and killer instinct.



Ja seems to have stepped back which is strange, but Zion is taking a leap it seems like. Points the last 7 games: 38, 37, 16, 34, 28, 38, 39


They are basically playing him at point, he has the ball in his hands basically every time down on offense
How many shots does Zion get?  
adamg : 4/11/2021 11:09 pm : link
RJ is getting 10-15. He needs a lot more to get to 30 points.
We might trade the pick, but how would you all feel about trading down  
adamg : 4/11/2021 11:19 pm : link
in the second for a future second and taking Garza?

Seems like we could use an offensive big.
RE: Are the Raptors going  
adamg : 4/11/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15217055 nygiants16 said:
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to match anything for Trent?

Would you throw money at Ball and Trent?

Ball, Trent, Rj, Randle, Mitch, is not to bad


Wouldn't mind those moves at all. That's a young core to build around with picks and we can move guys if a star wants in. Rather slightly overpay ascending under 25 yo talent than spend 2/50 on Lowry tbh.
RE: How many shots does Zion get?  
CooperDash : 4/11/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15217066 adamg said:
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RJ is getting 10-15. He needs a lot more to get to 30 points.


Zion is in the 15-20 range most of the time. Sometimes even less. But his efficiency is off the charts. Almost 62% shooting percentage. Plus, he gets to the line a lot.
Plus Obi and IQ if they take second year leaps  
adamg : 4/11/2021 11:25 pm : link
Coming off the bench. Re-sign Noel, Bullock, and Rose. Plus three decent draft picks.
RE: RE: How many shots does Zion get?  
adamg : 4/11/2021 11:27 pm : link
In comment 15217076 CooperDash said:
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RJ is getting 10-15. He needs a lot more to get to 30 points.



Zion is in the 15-20 range most of the time. Sometimes even less. But his efficiency is off the charts. Almost 62% shooting percentage. Plus, he gets to the line a lot.


Wow. You're right. His efficiency is crazy.
Zion is a once in a lifetime player. Absolutely unique.  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2021 8:11 am : link
Can't compare RJ to that.

But RJ is already really really good. And he is constantly getting better. He's going to develop into an all star caliber player and he was absolutely the right pick. This is not a Knox or Frank situation where better players were taken later. He's the right guy and a cornerstone player.
yeah i dont think there will be a debate on...  
Italianju : 4/12/2021 8:27 am : link
the best of those 3. It will be Zion, thats not a knock on RJ at all. I mean Melo and Wade werent Lebron but they werent exactly bad picks!

I def think that RJ could end up the second best player in the draft. Ja is solid for sure, but i havent seen anything that makes me think he is a lock star that RJ could never reach. The improvements that RJ has made in one season (despite not getting a full season last year, weird offseason with covid, etc..) is amazing. We all said that if he could improve his shooting he had star (superstar?) potential. Well he has def improved it.
Honestly, I want RJ to take more shots as well..  
Jan in DC : 4/12/2021 10:10 am : link
but I think the fact that his efficiency has been so good this year is because he is concentrating on taking good shots, within the offense.

I've been really impressed with his vision and dishing these past few games as well as his shot selection.

As for Noel, he's been a great addition. I don't know how much I want to pay for him going forward, as he and Mitch have basically the same skillset, but if you can get both of them long term, while still bringing in a max player, then I would love to keep him.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/12/2021 10:12 am : link
Provided he stays healthy...Zion will be all time great. I think he has that potential.
Randle takes so much pressure off of Rj  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2021 10:24 am : link
I get wanting to give rj more shots but right now Rj is in a perfect spot
RE: Are the Raptors going  
TyreeHelmet : 4/12/2021 10:28 am : link
In comment 15217055 nygiants16 said:
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to match anything for Trent?

Would you throw money at Ball and Trent?

Ball, Trent, Rj, Randle, Mitch, is not to bad


I like it a lot. Its always ricky with restricted free agents, but I would much rather "steal" a young player away on his 2nd contract then sign an older player.

But I would love to come away this summer with Ball and Trent Jr. It would be very surprising if the Knicks rolled the cap space over another year...
If you want to scare yourself to death  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2021 10:30 am : link
think about where we'd be if we didn't stay in the top three to take RJ that year - who are we taking at four or five? Culver? Garland? Ntilikina, Knox, Culver and Toppin (who's looking better) in four straight lotteries would have been brutal.
RE: Randle takes so much pressure off of Rj  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2021 10:32 am : link
In comment 15217343 nygiants16 said:
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I get wanting to give rj more shots but right now Rj is in a perfect spot


I agree with this 100 pct. There will probably be a time when RJ could be the focal point of the offense. But right now, Randle does a good job of shouldering that load and yes, that leaves RJ in a perfect spot where he's getting plenty of opportunities without the pressure of being "The guy" every time down the court.
id love to get trent....  
Italianju : 4/12/2021 11:13 am : link
id rather him then Ball. Trent is a legit 40% 3pt shooter who has gotten better every year. He is also still only 22 (will be 22 for like half of next season as well). I know TOR only really gave up Powell for him, but i dont see them letting him walk for nothing. Ive said the same about Ball, its just not good business. You can match a deal and then look to move these guys later if you want. But def sign me up for both. That team would be good with a chance to grow and get better

Ball (23), Trent (22), RJ (20), Randle (26), Mitch (23). Like i think that team can be a top 4 seed in the east and they are still kids. Does Randle or RJ become the kind of guy that can lead them to a finals, who knows, but id take my chances with that lineup.
Ugh, not another Dookie  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2021 11:17 am : link
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Zion  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2021 11:22 am : link
is a freak, people can nitpick but he's every bit as special as some suggested he might be. That's no knock on RJ but wow.
Going  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2021 11:24 am : link
to take a massive sheet to snipe Trent Jr. Not saying he's not worth it but easily in the 20ish range.
RE: If you want to scare yourself to death  
Chris684 : 4/12/2021 11:24 am : link
In comment 15217351 bceagle05 said:
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think about where we'd be if we didn't stay in the top three to take RJ that year - who are we taking at four or five? Culver? Garland? Ntilikina, Knox, Culver and Toppin (who's looking better) in four straight lotteries would have been brutal.


I know a lot of people were doom and gloom about that draft lottery, and I get it having missed out on Zion. But that new draft lottery system sucks and the Knicks actually beat the odds by staying in the top 3 that night and thankfully so.
They would have been fine at 4 if they had taken Hunter  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2021 11:27 am : link
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RE: Going  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2021 11:34 am : link
In comment 15217419 DanMetroMan said:
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to take a massive sheet to snipe Trent Jr. Not saying he's not worth it but easily in the 20ish range.


I figured as much
RE: Zion  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/12/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15217416 DanMetroMan said:
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is a freak, people can nitpick but he's every bit as special as some suggested he might be. That's no knock on RJ but wow.


Yeah. All comes down to health with Zion. Man he is good.
Trent  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2021 11:39 am : link
turned down about 15 per before the season, then broke out. Similar players are in the 20 range. I'd be very surprised if he's not at roughly 4 for 80 (and the Raptors may well match).
RE: Trent  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15217450 DanMetroMan said:
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turned down about 15 per before the season, then broke out. Similar players are in the 20 range. I'd be very surprised if he's not at roughly 4 for 80 (and the Raptors may well match).


4 for 100 for both Lonzo and Trent and Toronto still might match
RE: They would have been fine at 4 if they had taken Hunter  
bceagle05 : 4/12/2021 11:44 am : link
In comment 15217427 Greg from LI said:
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That's true, but I think they were intrigued by Garland and even brought him in for a workout shortly before the draft when they were locked into the three spot.
Zion is one of a kind  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2021 11:49 am : link
And I certainly would have been thrilled to have him, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see his career be hampered by lower body injuries
Great detail article on how RJ is improving  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2021 11:51 am : link
This goes beyond just shooting percentages. Also goes into defensive stuff.

https://premiumhoops.org/2021/04/11/rj-barrett-is-controlling-the-driving-lanes-on-both-ends/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
RE: Zion is one of a kind  
DanMetroMan : 4/12/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15217469 Greg from LI said:
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And I certainly would have been thrilled to have him, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see his career be hampered by lower body injuries


More than his outside shot (which he has proven would be more of a luxury than a need) his durability (knees in particular) is the biggest concern.
I would still be concerned with his weight.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2021 11:53 am : link
He's a large guy who could stand to get leaner. Will not age well.
RE: I would still be concerned with his weight.  
Jon in NYC : 4/12/2021 11:58 am : link
In comment 15217474 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's a large guy who could stand to get leaner. Will not age well.


Especially in a sport with so much jumping. 300 LBs of stress on the knees won't be good.
RE: I would still be concerned with his weight.  
nygiants16 : 4/12/2021 12:03 pm : link
In comment 15217474 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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He's a large guy who could stand to get leaner. Will not age well.


He always looks like he is in pain when he runs
RE: Zion is one of a kind  
chopperhatch : 4/12/2021 12:06 pm : link
In comment 15217469 Greg from LI said:
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And I certainly would have been thrilled to have him, but I still wouldn't be surprised to see his career be hampered by lower body injuries


This.

Guy's game thrives on speed and being above the rim. Only Shaq has had that body type and sustained it.
Even shaq was lean when he was young.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2021 12:15 pm : link
Zion fast forwarded to lakers Shaq.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/12/2021 12:19 pm : link
Orlando Shaq ran the court like a deer.
RE: They would have been fine at 4 if they had taken Hunter  
Stu11 : 4/12/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15217427 Greg from LI said:
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Yep he was having a real breakout year before the knee injury. Also Garland is much improved this year and as a pure pg I think we would have been fine with him at 4 as well.
RE: ...  
Greg from LI : 4/12/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15217503 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Orlando Shaq ran the court like a deer.


Yes. Rookie Shaq looked like this



Rookie Shaq weighed about the same as Zion but at six inches taller.
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