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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 6:52 pm
8 PM start on a Sunday...uh, okay. Toronto has been pure trash this last month or so & no FVV or Anunoby tonight for the Tampa Raptors. Lowry is back after missing some time with a toe infection.

Let's keep the mojo going from Friday night's ballsy win! I'm guessing the starters will be Payton, Bullock, RJ, Julius, & Noel. LFG!

Also, I was flipping back & forth earlier between the Masters & Cs-Nuggets. Boston went on a 31-3 run (yes, you read that right) to beat Denver by double digits. The Nuggets bench was pure trash to end the 3rd/start the 4th & the starters weren't much better when Malone sent them back in. We're 1 1/2 back of Boston for the 7th seed.
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Hornets and Miami  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:07 pm : link
have a tough few games coming up, expect them to fall back a little bit..Hornets just lost to Atlanta without Young and Collins
RE: Hornets and Miami  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:09 pm : link
In comment 15216862 nygiants16 said:
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have a tough few games coming up, expect them to fall back a little bit..Hornets just lost to Atlanta without Young and Collins


That's a shame...
Payton still starting  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:12 pm : link
absolute disgrace and my only gripe with Thibs..
When I saw the 8pm start  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 7:13 pm : link
I knew you’d complain about it.
RE: Payton still starting  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:13 pm : link
In comment 15216868 nygiants16 said:
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absolute disgrace and my only gripe with Thibs..


I just don't get it. At all. But Thibs can be a stubborn MFer. Rose is just much, much better.
RE: When I saw the 8pm start  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:14 pm : link
In comment 15216870 bceagle05 said:
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I knew you’d complain about it.


Haha. I'm nothing if not predictable.

I ain't a young pup anymore & it's a Sunday. It'd be different if a Friday or Saturday. I just don't like these absurd late starts.
Tibbs obviously feels Payton offers better defense  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 7:19 pm : link
Whether any of us agree or not, It’s really not that hard to understand the why.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:23 pm : link
Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:26 pm : link
The Pelicans need to realize that Zion, not Ingram, is The Man.
RE: Tibbs obviously feels Payton offers better defense  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:31 pm : link
In comment 15216879 steve in ky said:
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Whether any of us agree or not, It’s really not that hard to understand the why.


He coukd be the best defensive player of all time and it still wouldnt justify him starting..
nygiants16  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:35 pm : link
Am I wrong in thinking Payton's defense is overrated? The way some talk about him make him out to your favorite guy Ben Simmons defensively.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 7:37 pm : link
In comment 15216880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.


Perhaps, and that isn’t really my point. All I’m saying is that Tibbs obviously values his defense in that spot. And really the bottom line is minutes played and Tibbs has shown that often on nights where Payton is not on offensively he sits much more even if he started. The starters aren’t really as important as total minutes and especially those late in the games.

Here's the thing with starting Payton  
Bricktop : 4/11/2021 7:38 pm : link
You hope he isn't a complete liability and manages to give you good minutes on the defensive end. Whatever you get offensively is a bonus. The team doesn't suffer mightily to start the game and you limit the minutes of a vet like Rose who has a lot of miles on him.

When the game is in high leverage situations during the 2nd half, you've most likely got a relatively fresh Rose to help bring it home. You're not relying on Payton to play in big time spots with the game on the line. I get Thibs thinking here.
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nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15216894 steve in ky said:
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In comment 15216880 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Steve, I'd argue Elfrid's defense is overrated.



Perhaps, and that isn’t really my point. All I’m saying is that Tibbs obviously values his defense in that spot. And really the bottom line is minutes played and Tibbs has shown that often on nights where Payton is not on offensively he sits much more even if he started. The starters aren’t really as important as total minutes and especially those late in the games.


When your down every game and the bench has to come in to make a come back, then who starts does matter..

The bench scored 72 points last gamr and they barely won
RE: nygiants16  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 7:45 pm : link
In comment 15216893 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Am I wrong in thinking Payton's defense is overrated? The way some talk about him make him out to your favorite guy Ben Simmons defensively.


Severly overrated, especially at the end of a game where the team was doubling every possession and it was working, you tell the double team not to come and kyrie drills a 3 in your face
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 7:57 pm : link
I agree with nygiants16 on Payton starting. I just don't get it. But Thibs knows more basketball than I do so I defer to him. I just don't like it.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 8:12 pm : link
In comment 15216915 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I agree with nygiants16 on Payton starting. I just don't get it. But Thibs knows more basketball than I do so I defer to him. I just don't like it.


And that’s why it doesn’t really bother me. Tibbs is a real good coach plus he has an entire staff of assistance who work with the players advising him. So if this is what he feels puts them in the best position to win I assume he has the best handle on it, and has them playing well. It’s not like he is a complete idiot.

I guess I don’t see the point of coming complaining about it every single game.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:16 pm : link
steve, gotta bitch about something. Haha.

Nice start.
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steve in ky : 4/11/2021 8:17 pm : link
In comment 15216926 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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steve, gotta bitch about something. Haha.

Nice start.


Haha, yeah we are fans after all
Looks like we got good Randle tonight  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:18 pm : link
Look out
I nitpick Thibs a bit  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 8:20 pm : link
but just watch the ball movement, player movement, defensive intensity - it’s night and day from previous years. Have to remind myself once in awhile.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:21 pm : link
Lowry's ass should have it's own province in Canada.
I don't feel like getting into why Payton is starting.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 8:27 pm : link
But if he doesn't start and he plays then where is his game hurt you less? Imo, it is with the starters.

I completely understand getting off to a slow start but when that happens there are many others to blame. It isn't just Payton.

What matters most is who is playing late and that isn't Payton. This team is at its best when Burks is playing the point and that includes Rose imo. Burks is far from an ideal player at the point but he does enough scoring, breaking down the D, and passing to make this offense work.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 8:29 pm : link
Man. RJ...only 20. I'm excited.
Lowry  
Samiam : 4/11/2021 8:35 pm : link
Any talk of Lowry signing here next year?
RE: Lowry  
TommyWiseau : 4/11/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15216938 Samiam said:
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Any talk of Lowry signing here next year?


I'd much rather sign the younger Lonzo Ball
RE: I don't feel like getting into why Payton is starting.  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15216933 robbieballs2003 said:
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But if he doesn't start and he plays then where is his game hurt you less? Imo, it is with the starters.

I completely understand getting off to a slow start but when that happens there are many others to blame. It isn't just Payton.

What matters most is who is playing late and that isn't Payton. This team is at its best when Burks is playing the point and that includes Rose imo. Burks is far from an ideal player at the point but he does enough scoring, breaking down the D, and passing to make this offense work.


+1

Burks is good off the bench too.
Obi!  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:46 pm : link
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Refs refuse to give Quickley the call  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 8:53 pm : link
fouled twice no call, meanwhile the fat little flopper gets the call
RE: Obi!  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 8:53 pm : link
In comment 15216947 adamg said:
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That would have been insane if he was able to throw that down.
Lots of fouls  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:55 pm : link
I thought they were going to let them play after the first few possessions, but they're calling a lot. Knicks aren't happy.
RE: RE: Obi!  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:56 pm : link
In comment 15216951 robbieballs2003 said:
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In comment 15216947 adamg said:

That would have been insane if he was able to throw that down.


Lowry was smart to foul, it would have pumped up the team even more.
RJ bringing a tear to my eye.  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 8:57 pm : link
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Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
adamg : 4/11/2021 8:58 pm : link
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RE: Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:13 pm : link
In comment 15216957 adamg said:
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The foul wasnt on Obis dunk, it was on Gibson going for the rebound, so loose ball
RE: RE: Idk why it wasn't a shooting foul though  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15216961 nygiants16 said:
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The foul wasnt on Obis dunk, it was on Gibson going for the rebound, so loose ball


Oh. That's lame. I really wish he nailed it then. Obi's looking a lot better lately though.
RJ is moving and doing things  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:31 pm : link
Nice
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/11/2021 9:32 pm : link
TCB right now vs inferior team.
Payton still hasnt figured out  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:34 pm : link
you can dribble through a zone
RJ has the makings of a super star.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/11/2021 9:35 pm : link
He just needs to keep progressing and being consistent. The future is bright for him. And best of all is he is a winning player. Imo, he has that "it" factor. I love that he gets guys better shots and can make things happen without just shooting a ton. This team needs more of that. There is more ball movement on offense this game than I can remember all year.
team has no clue how to put a team away  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:39 pm : link
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Letting this garbage team hang around  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 9:41 pm : link
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Noel with 4 blocks  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:46 pm : link
Monsta
RE: RJ has the makings of a super star.  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 9:49 pm : link
In comment 15216983 robbieballs2003 said:
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He just needs to keep progressing and being consistent. The future is bright for him. And best of all is he is a winning player. Imo, he has that "it" factor. I love that he gets guys better shots and can make things happen without just shooting a ton. This team needs more of that. There is more ball movement on offense this game than I can remember all year.


As a rookie I told my daughter (who watches all the games with me) that he riminded me a little of Jordan. Not as a player or style of play, but his seriousness, determination, intensity, and desire to win. Its rare in such a young player and something that a team can build around imo
RE: Noel with 4 blocks  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15216997 adamg said:
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Monsta


Noel does a lot of things well. If the price is right I hope they bring him back next season
A rare rain delay in an arena game  
adamg : 4/11/2021 9:55 pm : link
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Two point game.  
bceagle05 : 4/11/2021 10:05 pm : link
Come the fuck on.
what a joke  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
Have no clue how to put a team away..
They are doing exactly what Toronto wants  
nygiants16 : 4/11/2021 10:06 pm : link
chuck up a bunch of 3s..
RE: what a joke  
steve in ky : 4/11/2021 10:11 pm : link
In comment 15217011 nygiants16 said:
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Have no clue how to put a team away..


They have had this problem all season. Frustrating but they are still learning how to become a winning team and that’s part of the process and something that still needs improvement. How many more win would they have if they could consistently put teams away?
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