NGT: Browns Willing to Trade Odell

But they can’t find a team willing to pay the asking price. A bag of doughnuts. Maybe Canada?

who says he would trade to bring him back?

At his best Odell was worth the baggage. He is no longer the threat he was and he is no longer worth the money they pay him. I don't think any other team will be willing to take on his salary and his antics. This will not end well for Cleveland.

Got universally creamed in the media and by the fanbase for that deal. Sometimes we should remember we're on the outside looking in and don't have perfect information.

Also, while he shouldn't have signed him he at least owned up and turned it into a positive. The previous FO never would have.

In comment 15217167 averagejoe said:

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At his best Odell was worth the baggage. He is no longer the threat he was and he is no longer worth the money they pay him. I don't think any other team will be willing to take on his salary and his antics. This will not end well for Cleveland.

I bet there's more than a few teams interested, the question is really the price. Getting a 1st back is likely not possible unless he showcases the ability to be roughly what he was. But I think plenty of teams would be interested if they only had to part with a 2nd.

Pats gave up a 2nd for Sanu. Cooks and a 4th netted a 2nd. Beckham's contract is also voidable after this year so you aren't on the hook long term if it doesn't work out - and if it does its relatively cheap.

I would take him back, so long as it was before the draft.

But those conditions would or could never be met, so it's a non-starter.

In comment 15217174 Giantophile said:

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Got universally creamed in the media and by the fanbase for that deal. Sometimes we should remember we're on the outside looking in and don't have perfect information. Also, while he shouldn't have signed him he at least owned up and turned it into a positive. The previous FO never would have.

I liked the deal at the time and think it's gotten better with time.

he was barely worth the headache when he was elite. Now? Almost every team has a receiver that can match his current level of production with way less drama. Talent = tolerance in NFL. For his level of crazy drama you have to put up HOF numbers every year or you're not worth the trouble of having around.

OBJ is still an explosive player when healthy. Problem is that he can't seem to stay healthy.

hated the trade. Despite his histrionics, Odell was a fantastic player. Peppers wasn't nearly as good as he is now. The draft picks were also unknowns.

I was wrong. Peppers is a lot better, and DL is a beast. Even if Ximines never does anything, we still won that trade by miles.

more than most and took a lot shots because of it., The guys talent NEVER matched the BS that came with him. He shot out of the gate like a sprinter in a marathon but he was not a long term sustained threat due to all of the other drama he brought. We didn't have other players capable of reigning that in some and it just wasn't working. As the wins became tough to come by his behavior became too much to have around.

In comment 15217297 jvm52106 said:

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more than most and took a lot shots because of it., The guys talent NEVER matched the BS that came with him. He shot out of the gate like a sprinter in a marathon but he was not a long term sustained threat due to all of the other drama he brought. We didn't have other players capable of reigning that in some and it just wasn't working. As the wins became tough to come by his behavior became too much to have around.

Really? What was the problem his rookie year? His second year? You didn't need to rewrite history while patting yourself on the back.

It was clear from the Panthers game in 2015 the guy was unhinged and capable of causing all the internal strife he did for this organization while he was here.

If Mara and Shurmur weren't so easily swayed by his couple of months of "good" behavior, I don't think he would have even seen that big contract he wound up getting.

No surprise Cleveland has also figured out he's not worth it.

I thought he was a special player. But I also loved the trade at the time- we got key starters and picks for a player near the top of his value who was at a point in his career where he was always injured (he had only been on the field for 50% of games in the previous two seasons). Unfortunately, he is still always injured (through no fault of his own).

Coincidentally, this injury-riddled phase of his career began when the Cleveland Browns took out his knee in a preseason game (Macadoo left the starters in the game in the 2nd quarter). Lots of 20/20 hindsight here.

moreso than just a "regularly gifted" athlete.

not to compare Barkley to ODB Jr. b/c they are obviously very different, but they seem to get injured more often, more seriously and reduces their worth, to barely above average. amirite?

I don't enjoy reading Giants fans laying into OBJ. He was an elite wide receiver when he played for us, who did have some maturity issues, but he cared too much rather than not enough, which is also why he was popular with his teammates.
He's not coming back, he doesn't fit the culture Joe Judge is building. I wish him well, as long as he doesn't sign for the Eagles. I wouldn't rule out WFT as a destination.

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moreso than just a "regularly gifted" athlete. not to compare Barkley to ODB Jr. b/c they are obviously very different, but they seem to get injured more often, more seriously and reduces their worth, to barely above average. amirite?

I think using Beckham as an object lesson for Barkley makes sense. It wasn't long ago that Beckham was being compared here to Jerry Rice as a WR and LT as a great Giant. You say the same sort of nonsense comparing Barkley to Jim Brown or Barry Sanders.

You've got to actually do it before the comparisons make sense, and the forces of attrition are strong.

based on those games. No one that said "Barkley looks like Barry Sanders out there" meant Barkley = Barry Sanders career.

Same with Beckham. He was on a tear the first couple of years, who cares if people thought he looked like the next Jerry Rice? It didn't happen and in the end it was just words.

Player X looking like the next (insert all time great) will happen until the end of time, that's the allure of sports and why most people watch the games.

Loyalty is a big deal to me. We made him the face of the franchise then he went and made that smug interview. From that moment I could not wait until was an ex Giant. Fuck him, I hope he rots in Cleveland. If he could do something scandalous to get himself kicked out if the league, I would appreciate. C'mon OBJ do me a solid.

He's had two bad injuries now as a player.

In comment 15217377 Go Terps said:

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In comment 15217362 I Love Clams Casino said: Quote: moreso than just a "regularly gifted" athlete. not to compare Barkley to ODB Jr. b/c they are obviously very different, but they seem to get injured more often, more seriously and reduces their worth, to barely above average. amirite? I think using Beckham as an object lesson for Barkley makes sense. It wasn't long ago that Beckham was being compared here to Jerry Rice as a WR and LT as a great Giant. You say the same sort of nonsense comparing Barkley to Jim Brown or Barry Sanders. You've got to actually do it before the comparisons make sense, and the forces of attrition are strong.

Barkley doesn't have nearly the attitude problem Beckham had here. Injuries, sure. Big year for Barkley however, if he can post something similar to 2018 after what he's been through, that will say a lot.

In comment 15217391 Thegratefulhead said:

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Loyalty is a big deal to me. We made him the face of the franchise then he went and made that smug interview. From that moment I could not wait until was an ex Giant.

From that moment, John Mara likely told DG to find a way to get this asshole off of my team. I just gave him more money than virtually any other player in Giants' history and now this guy wishes he was playing somewhere else?

Bye...

Not the first time

Than Beckham will get traded,and start playing dumb,like he never wanted to leave. Perhaps even play the victim.

In comment 15217245 AcidTest said:

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hated the trade. Despite his histrionics, Odell was a fantastic player. Peppers wasn't nearly as good as he is now. The draft picks were also unknowns. I was wrong. Peppers is a lot better, and DL is a beast. Even if Ximines never does anything, we still won that trade by miles.

Acid, I remember the term being thrown around here (not necessarily by you) was that we were "fleeced".

I think the other aspect of that trade that would be very difficult to measure is which recent free agents would we NOT have signed if we were still saddled with OBJ's contract. So, it is more than just the exchange of Peppers and the picks.

He hasn't been the same since he got injured.

Not sure why anyone would trade for him at this point.

first couple of years were among the best starts ever for the position. When people made the comparisons to Jerry rice, he was indeed very much like rice then.

No different that people going nuts about Bo Jackson or Gayle Sayers. He was an elite WR. You can hate the guy and still admit that because there are things other than black and white in these discussions.

and the news isn't what most people seem to think, IMO. First of all, "the Browns would listen to trade offers" isn't the same as "The Browns want to get rid of him." He's not untouchable. So?

The news is that the Browns don't seem to consider him part of their core now. That is probably more a reflection of his injuries than any drama he's caused.

Mentioned that the rumor of the Giants and Browns discussing bringing OBJ back “had legs.” Eric stepped in and endorsed said information. I wonder what the Browns TE situation is?

of his career. Hard pass.

Looked like another "Giant for life etc."

Beckham lost me when he pulled the "urinating on the ball" stunt after a TD in the end zone. Really? Are you 8 years old?

From that point on, I would root for him as I do any Giants player, but he became an embarrassment for me. I was really glad he was traded and pleasantly surprised Gettleman was able to get so much for him in return.

I wish Beckham no ill will, but I think Beckham is the last player I'd want in the huddle with Daniel Jones.

I think there's a better chance of me bedding Margot Robbie than Odell returning to the Giants.

Mature, focused humble Odell?
Probably not, once he started having succes and celebrating forget it.

That would be a Philly move, overpay for a has-been and get their rabid fans into a frenzy again.

And he had a cap hit of $15-16mm through the 3 seasons. The plus is that he is cuttable with zero dead cap hit next offseason. So a day 3 pick for an overpriced but talented WR that you can cut next offseason? There may be a market for that.

Btw, if Beckham plays through his current contract he comes close to doubling his career earnings of $63mm. So if he wasn’t such a whack job, a rational thing would be to work out like crazy and start acting like a real pro so his teams keeps him. There’s a lot at stake but financial incentives go only so far I guess.

I listed 2 recent trades for 2 players that at their peak were never better than Beckham and even now are not better than him - best case is Cooks/Beckham is a wash. His contract structure is also attractive (Cooks comes with a 2022 dead cap hit, Beckham doesn't).

Beckham pretty easily nets a 2nd, IMO.

listen to it? Earth shattering statement right there.

How many NFL players (not on rookie contracts) don't fit that particular profile. Maybe 10...maybe.