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Giants’ needs in the draft Edge rusher: The Giants had two glaring weaknesses when free agency began: Wide receiver and edge rusher. They addressed their need for a No. 1 wide receiver by signing Kenny Golladay to a four-year, $72 million contract. They also filled their hole at No. 2 cornerback by signing Adoree’ Jackson to a three-year, $39 million contract. Meanwhile, they essentially ignored the edge position. The Giants have arguably the least accomplished collection of edge rushers in the league entering the draft (Lorenzo Carter leads the group with 9.5 career sacks). The Giants must upgrade the position in the draft. Offensive line: The Giants used three picks on offensive linemen in last year’s draft and they’re apparently intent on letting those young players step into starting roles this season. But they can’t view the position as a finished product. They need to continue adding talent to the line. Guard is the biggest need, with Shane Lemieux and Will Hernandez currently penciled in as starters. Neither showed enough last season to give the Giants comfort that the position is settled. Running back: Edge rusher and offensive line are clearly the biggest needs. A case can be made for just about every other position on the roster benefiting from an upgrade or needing more depth. But running back stands out because of the lack of NFL experience at the position. Saquon Barkley is coming back from a torn ACL, so he might not be ready to play his typical 80 percent of the snaps. Devontae Booker is a steady backup. Beyond that, the Giants have very little to speak of in the backfield. They could use some young legs to add depth and provide some upside. |
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11. New York Giants The pick: Rashawn Slater, OL, Northwestern Ideal pick: Slater, or trading down for another offensive lineman or edge rusher The strictly-need selection is a pass rusher. It’s a bummer for Big Blue that doing so maybe something of a stretch at No. 11, thus making the Giants a trade-up partner for teams in the Nos. 13-20 range. Eyeing another offensive lineman in the first round a year after selecting Andrew Thomas fourth could raise eyebrows, but Slater can play all over the line. Though he’s a tick undersized, one talent evaluator said Slater is one of the most technically sound offensive linemen he’s ever scouted. |
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There’s a sense around here that the OL is gtg — it isn’t. They need to keep stocking the cupboard.
Edge is the gaping hole on this roster right now. All they have is a bunch of JAGS, and this team won’t be a legitimate contender until they add some legitimate edge talent.
This team won’t even get back to being a 9-8 team until the O line gets fixed, and being any kind of legitimate contender is nothing, but a pipe dream until it does. The edge is week, but not what is holding the team back. The O line is.
The OL should definitely be addressed and likely will, but the class is deep so there’s some flexibility to be a little strategic about attacking the position.
The edge prospects are gonna go quick. If the Giants wait until round 3 or later they’ll likely be looking at another JAG Lorenzo Carter type prospect.
The defense as currently constructed won’t put them in a position for a deep playoff run. The bend but don’t break shit isn’t championship caliber. You can’t scheme pressure once the league has enough tape on you.
BPA--as a SINGLE player--I continue to argue is a myth. The Giants have their rows and there may well be three in their top row left to select at #11. At that point it becomes not BPA but MVP, depending on relative deltas between each player left and his positional competition, roster construction, and, yes, need.
Was watching the "Caught in the Draft" series from NFL Network last night and they had an episode about the 84 draft which might be an even better metaphor of BPA; drafting Carl Banks over a much needed offensive upgrade despite the amount of talent already at the LB position. Then there's a scene in the episode of them talking to Parcells about the Supplementary draft and how he got overruled in taking Reggie White vs Gary Zimmerman just because of how badly the offense needed talent. Not to say Gary Zimmerman was a bad pick considering the career he had, but obviously adding Reggie White and Carl Banks to that defense, the 85 Bears or the 00 Ravens would be clear 2nd fiddle to those 80's Giants teams with that type of a front.
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
allstarjim you are 10000000000% correct about every word here--it seems so plain to me that this is the case that it's shocking that so many people have been quick to dismiss WR as a major need after the Golladay signing. All that signing did was make it so we're missing 1 starting outside WR instead of 2 -- and having 2 is incredibly important for an offense's ability to function consistently. Slayton should never be any higher on the depth chart than the 3rd outside WR off the bench coming in for a handful of snaps a game.
We are in desperate need of a quality #2, and having one out there with Golladay and Shep and Saquon (and hopefully Rudolph) will make it really tough for defenses to concentrate on nullifying any 1 player. With our roster as it is now with a quality pair of outside CBs, adding one good WR is by far the single addition that will have the most impact on our point differential and winning more games.
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
Couldn’t disagree more..It’s not a HUGE need by any measure..You can cite injuries to major receivers for most any team and the rest of that area would look pedestrian..
Would I be fine as a fan if we drafted one? Absolutely, but it’s NOT a huge need imv..
I believe the DG/Judge draft to improve the OL last year will pay dividends as they develop. Do I know that for sure? Of course not, but I would THINK that OL would still be a bigger need than WR at this point in time..
Again, ANYONE Judge goes with at 11 will be fine with me.
I'm saying fully healthy it's a bad group overall. Without a serious upgrade on the outside the Giants will likely remain a middling offense at best. They need a superb route runner that safeties have to respect deep. There is no one on the roster like that right now. Both Smith and Waddle fit the bill.
As mentioned, you need to open things up for Saquon, but it will also allow Golladay to get a lot of one on ones.
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
Couldn’t disagree more..It’s not a HUGE need by any measure..You can cite injuries to major receivers for most any team and the rest of that area would look pedestrian..
Would I be fine as a fan if we drafted one? Absolutely, but it’s NOT a huge need imv..
I believe the DG/Judge draft to improve the OL last year will pay dividends as they develop. Do I know that for sure? Of course not, but I would THINK that OL would still be a bigger need than WR at this point in time..
Again, ANYONE Judge goes with at 11 will be fine with me.
I'm saying fully healthy it's a bad group overall. Without a serious upgrade on the outside the Giants will likely remain a middling offense at best. They need a superb route runner that safeties have to respect deep. There is no one on the roster like that right now. Both Smith and Waddle fit the bill.
As mentioned, you need to open things up for Saquon, but it will also allow Golladay to get a lot of one on ones.
You could be right after all..Again, if a WR is there and Judge wants him, that’s totally fine with me. He has my full trust
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
allstarjim you are 10000000000% correct about every word here--it seems so plain to me that this is the case that it's shocking that so many people have been quick to dismiss WR as a major need after the Golladay signing. All that signing did was make it so we're missing 1 starting outside WR instead of 2 -- and having 2 is incredibly important for an offense's ability to function consistently. Slayton should never be any higher on the depth chart than the 3rd outside WR off the bench coming in for a handful of snaps a game.
We are in desperate need of a quality #2, and having one out there with Golladay and Shep and Saquon (and hopefully Rudolph) will make it really tough for defenses to concentrate on nullifying any 1 player. With our roster as it is now with a quality pair of outside CBs, adding one good WR is by far the single addition that will have the most impact on our point differential and winning more games.
Adding at least 1 good OT, and 2 good OG would have the biggest, and most important impact on our offense period. You can add all the WR you want, but without a vastly better O line DJ won’t have time to throw to anyone.
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In comment 15217170 Tuckrule said:
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
allstarjim you are 10000000000% correct about every word here--it seems so plain to me that this is the case that it's shocking that so many people have been quick to dismiss WR as a major need after the Golladay signing. All that signing did was make it so we're missing 1 starting outside WR instead of 2 -- and having 2 is incredibly important for an offense's ability to function consistently. Slayton should never be any higher on the depth chart than the 3rd outside WR off the bench coming in for a handful of snaps a game.
We are in desperate need of a quality #2, and having one out there with Golladay and Shep and Saquon (and hopefully Rudolph) will make it really tough for defenses to concentrate on nullifying any 1 player. With our roster as it is now with a quality pair of outside CBs, adding one good WR is by far the single addition that will have the most impact on our point differential and winning more games.
Adding at least 1 good OT, and 2 good OG would have the biggest, and most important impact on our offense period. You can add all the WR you want, but without a vastly better O line DJ won’t have time to throw to anyone.
He'll have time to throw with the guys we have now.
Plus we're talking about one player. Hard to get 3 starters in one draft any year, much less at one position group. Further, the dismissiveness of the current projected starters is foolish and the pearl-clutching is an overreaction.
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Because it isn’t a need. Would another WR help? Yes of course but it’s not a need.
Golladay
Shepard
Slayton
Pettis
Ross
Mack
Sills
Cj board
Bachman
Combine that with the tight ends we have we are alright on the outside
Some BBIers look at that group and think we are "fine". That is a bad group. Shep is a slot, and he's pretty good. But Slayton is an ill-fitted compliment to Golladay and is fairly one-dimensional.
The rest of the receivers could all be cut and no one would bat an eye.
Even with Golladay, while he's a legit #1, he's not an elite #1 in the NFL, and his production thus far is a little underwhelming for the contract he received.
WR remains a HUGE need. It's a major weakness of this team and if it's not addressed, has the potential to really cap the amount of points this team has the realistic ability to score.
It is still the biggest weakness on this team in terms of on-field impact.
allstarjim you are 10000000000% correct about every word here--it seems so plain to me that this is the case that it's shocking that so many people have been quick to dismiss WR as a major need after the Golladay signing. All that signing did was make it so we're missing 1 starting outside WR instead of 2 -- and having 2 is incredibly important for an offense's ability to function consistently. Slayton should never be any higher on the depth chart than the 3rd outside WR off the bench coming in for a handful of snaps a game.
We are in desperate need of a quality #2, and having one out there with Golladay and Shep and Saquon (and hopefully Rudolph) will make it really tough for defenses to concentrate on nullifying any 1 player. With our roster as it is now with a quality pair of outside CBs, adding one good WR is by far the single addition that will have the most impact on our point differential and winning more games.
Adding at least 1 good OT, and 2 good OG would have the biggest, and most important impact on our offense period. You can add all the WR you want, but without a vastly better O line DJ won’t have time to throw to anyone.
He'll have time to throw with the guys we have now.
Plus we're talking about one player. Hard to get 3 starters in one draft any year, much less at one position group. Further, the dismissiveness of the current projected starters is foolish and the pearl-clutching is an overreaction. [/quote
The guys we have now is HUMPTY Dumpty plus, and so overrated by so many on here. Wishful thinking will not make this line just get better, and if you want to trust this line as is on a winning season go for it, but I would not, and is foolish to think it will.