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What is your take on the Niners/Mac Jones rumors?

Sean : 4/12/2021 9:22 am
I have to preface this by saying I don’t like the Niners. Outside of the division, they would be my least liked franchise by a lot. Obviously the NYG-SF rivalry has had a lot of history. I also think Shanahan & Lynch have been anointed by the NFL media prematurely. I understand they reached the Super Bowl in 2019, but they’ve had plenty of misses in the draft. The Garoppolo contract looks questionable at best as well.

If you believe the rumors, Mac Jones may be the pick for them at #3. If that’s the case, the Niners would have traded up from #12 to #3 and mortgaged their 2022 & 2023 first rounders to do so.

I admit, if they like Mac that much, I have no issue with it. I also felt the entire argument that the Giants could have gotten Daniel Jones at 17 to be overblown. The Giants wanted to guarantee they got Jones at 6, and the Niners would be doing the same here at #3. If a team loves a QB, it’s best not to play games.

I’m curious what people think of this.
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And on Jimmy G...  
bw in dc : 4/12/2021 10:18 am : link
His contract is only 13% of the cap at $26M, so he's a pretty good bargain if he can stay healthy (emphasis on "if"...of course).
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ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 10:19 am : link
i really don't know what to think. Jones doesn't seem more talented than Jimmy G, so why would Niners trade up for a guy who is likely pro ready but doesn't have that high of a ceiling?

I'm starting to think that Shanahan loves the idea of molding a superior talent like Fields or Lance
QBs are the hardest position to scout.  
Heisenberg : 4/12/2021 10:19 am : link
I think they'd be crazy to take Jones. But hell, what do I know? You pick a QB and if you're right, you've set the team up for a dozen years. If you're not, you're gonna get fired. It's that simple. I definitely like the idea of acting with conviction. If they really do pick him, that would be amazing and I'd at least feel good as a Niners fan that the office really thinks they have their guy.
It really is odd  
Optimus-NY : 4/12/2021 10:21 am : link
Mac Jones is ....blah.
RE: I don't think..  
pa_giant_fan : 4/12/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15217289 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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they are taking Jones. And if they do, they paid one hell of a premium.

Agree, i just can't see them passing on Lance or Fields,but what do i know.
RE: Mac Jones was a very good college QB...  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 10:22 am : link
In comment 15217330 bw in dc said:
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.

I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.


You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?
I’ll believe it when I see it.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/12/2021 10:23 am : link
I might not believe it even after I see it.
not that you ever want to base your opinion  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 10:25 am : link
on a pro day, but if Fields' pro day was a 95, Jones' was a 70. He just didn't look that impressive to me.
RE: If you look at Shannahan's O  
Bill in UT : 4/12/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15217262 Mike in NY said:
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It is not predicated on a lot of shots down the field so I think Jones's arm is more than satisfactory for what they do. Reading defenses and anticipation are the most important things and in those areas Jones beats Fields or Lance. This is defintiely not a Gruden offense where the QB chucks it down the field with regularity and hopes for 1 completion in 3 of 20 yards versus 2 in 3 for 10 apiece.


Having receivers like Smith and Waddle who are constantly open make reading the field a less daunting task. You probably don't need to get to your 4th read very often :)
RE: RE: Mac Jones was a very good college QB...  
bw in dc : 4/12/2021 10:30 am : link
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.

I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.



You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?



Yes, my best guess is the Jets are going with the blue blood talent in Fields for the reasons stated.

On the 9ers, I think they are still trying to rank out Fields, Lance, and Wilson. Fields and Lance are having their second pro days this week and that's going to help them set their board between the three. And will have to have a plan if Fields goes to the Jets and they are left with a choice between Lance and Wilson. That could be a toss-up, too, btw...
He looks better than Burrow to me  
giantBCP : 4/12/2021 10:30 am : link
so I don’t really see a problem with it.
Fields was lighting it up in the semis before he took that shot and  
Spider56 : 4/12/2021 10:31 am : link
he showed pro level guts coming back from the hit. Plus, he’s motivated to prove he’s not another Haskins. I think he’ll be the best of this class, including Saint Lawrence. I think it comes down to how he looks in his pro day this week. Jones however has the ring; and proved he can do it on the big stage without missing a beat. He’s a field general and helped Smith, Waddle and Harris get the recognition they deserved. I’d take either one of these guys over all the others.
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Gruber : 4/12/2021 10:34 am : link
If, as you say, you don't like the 49ers, you should be excited by the prospect of them using the #3 pick that they've traded up for to get Mac Jones.
A couple of months back I posted that I saw him fitting in Pittsburgh or New England. Still feel that. He had two exceptional wide receivers who reeled in some of his erratic passes.
Neither the Jets nor the Niners  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/12/2021 10:35 am : link
have any reason to send up a smokescreen.
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Go Terps : 4/12/2021 10:35 am : link
I think going into a draft with the feeling that you have to get "your guy" increases the chances you're going to make a big mistake.
I think any team that picks Jones over Justin Fields is fucking insane  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/12/2021 10:39 am : link
...good lord what more does Justin Fields have to do on the field for teams to believe he's the goods?!?
RE: He looks better than Burrow to me  
bw in dc : 4/12/2021 10:43 am : link
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.


Jones?
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UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 10:45 am : link
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.

I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.



You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?





Yes, my best guess is the Jets are going with the blue blood talent in Fields for the reasons stated.

On the 9ers, I think they are still trying to rank out Fields, Lance, and Wilson. Fields and Lance are having their second pro days this week and that's going to help them set their board between the three. And will have to have a plan if Fields goes to the Jets and they are left with a choice between Lance and Wilson. That could be a toss-up, too, btw...


Maybe but what's the smoke screen? They aren't fighting for any of them, they have their pick after the Jets.
Fields  
Toth029 : 4/12/2021 10:48 am : link
Gets an awful lot of defensive posts and excuses for negatives placed toward him.

Played terrible in three games this past season. Next you see, well, he was missing X guy, this happened because X here, and so on.

Bad vibes when I see so many fixated on the guy. Ryan Day came out and defended him, too, it's just unusual. You don't see Trey Lance's college coach come out and do that.
Where there is smoke.......  
Kanavis : 4/12/2021 10:50 am : link
there is smoke. I think these are rumors put out to confuse everyone else in the event that the Jets are fooling everyone and may want Fields. But I agree with everyone. What else does Fields have to do? Is he being affected by perceptions related to Haskins because they both had one strong year at OSU? Not fair....and I think it will be huge mistake. I am worse than most here at evaluating college talent. But it seems like Fields has a ton of potential. My guess is that is the pick.
RE: correct me if I'm wrong  
Tuckrule : 4/12/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15217327 Giantsfan79 said:
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but isn't the only reason everyone thinks San Fran wants Mac Jones is because Chris Simms said so a few ago?

I know Simms and Shanahan are real close friends and Simms works for NBC Sports so he has cred (or perceived cred), but is there more to the Mac Jones rumor then that right now?


Charlie Weiss said it and that’s where this all began. They are going fields or Lance. Mac isn’t even in the thought process
I personally  
TommyWiseau : 4/12/2021 10:54 am : link
think they are going to go Fields or Lance but I hope they take Mac Jones. I do not see another team in the top 10 that will draft Jones unless someone moves up for him. If Jones goes at 3 and leaves Fields and Lance there, a team is more likely to move up for them IMO. We need to hope 4 or 5 QBs go before us. The more that go the better
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bw in dc : 4/12/2021 10:58 am : link
In comment 15217372 UConn4523 said:
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Maybe but what's the smoke screen? They aren't fighting for any of them, they have their pick after the Jets.


Maybe they would be willing to trade back a spot or two (Atlanta/Lions/Panthers/Broncos) if they thought they could still get their guy and claw back some draft capital...?

It never hurts to create mystery, right?

for sure  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 11:02 am : link
I guess my question is more on Jones. If their minds truly aren't made up wouldn't they want to pump Fields to get the Jets to do it?

To your point on a trade back I did give that some thought over the weekend. Would be interesting to see if they can recoup come of the cost and still get their guy. Might be hard though with this crop of QB's in a season that was such a cluster fuck. Just a lot of inexperience, especially Lance and Jones.
I’ll say it again  
Carl in CT : 4/12/2021 11:29 am : link
He is not going to SF at #3.
Fields or Lance at 3.  
Thegratefulhead : 4/12/2021 11:39 am : link
I think you want a guy that can move at 3. Other than Brady it is the guys that make off schedule plays that teams covet.
Why the reason for smoke?  
RAIN : 4/12/2021 11:40 am : link
Their is no need for it by trading to #3. Shanahan himself is leaking it.

Apparently Jones allowed the tide and Sarkisian to install the most difficult offensive packages to date, inside of a couple months. He is accurate and projects to start quickly.

He doesn’t fit the new math with mobility and throwing off platform, but the niners window is now.
We know SF is going QB  
Rjanyg : 4/12/2021 11:43 am : link
If it's Jones then that makes it more likely that 5 QB's are off the board before we pick which is what we want. That will just push a better player to us.

All I know is if it is Jones I think SF way overpaid. I think he will be pretty good but giving up 2 1st round picks AND using your 1st round pick is a shit ton for any player let alone a QB. They better be right no matter who it is.
While I personally don't see Mac Jones  
Section331 : 4/12/2021 11:49 am : link
is a high first rounder, it is telling that both Shanny and Lynch went to his workout. I think the athleticism is overblown, it isn't a priority in a Shanahan offense, accuracy is and decision making are. Jones has both of those in spades, I just don't know if he has the arm strength to excel.

But I'm sure that is why they went to his pro day, just to confirm what they saw on film. I don't see them taking Lance, he has accuracy issues. Maybe Fields, his accuracy downfield is excellent, but less so on intermediate routes. I still think Jones will be the pick.
RE: for sure  
bw in dc : 4/12/2021 11:54 am : link
In comment 15217399 UConn4523 said:
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I guess my question is more on Jones. If their minds truly aren't made up wouldn't they want to pump Fields to get the Jets to do it?

To your point on a trade back I did give that some thought over the weekend. Would be interesting to see if they can recoup come of the cost and still get their guy. Might be hard though with this crop of QB's in a season that was such a cluster fuck. Just a lot of inexperience, especially Lance and Jones.


If you recall, Shanahan/Lynch couldn't get to Fields's first workout two weeks ago because they had committed to Jones's. But now that Fields is having a second this week - and speculation is the 9ers pushed for it - we may start to hear more pro-Field propaganda after they attend it.
My money is on Fields going #3 to San Fran  
ZogZerg : 4/12/2021 11:57 am : link
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Again, it doesn't matter  
jvm52106 : 4/12/2021 12:13 pm : link
if they want Jones they had to find a trading partner in the TOP 5 with rumors that 1 and 2 were QB's, 4 is possibly a QB and is also team that won't trade down that far from 4 regardless. 5 has options but not dropping more than a couple of spots.. The only logical trading partner was the Dolphins at 3. Even if they draft Jones.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/12/2021 12:20 pm : link
The Shanahan media love is a bit much. You'd think he was Bill Walsh from some in the media.
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Mike in Boston : 4/12/2021 12:21 pm : link
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Don't fail because their arm isn't strong enough. It is the cognitive qualities that differentiate QBs. How they see the field and how they react to what they see. I am not saying that Mac Jones is or should be the guy, but based on what I read, he may have the cognitive qualities that lead to success.


Exhibit A: Ryan Leaf


Indeed. And back in the day one of the prominent posters on BBI, whom I will not name except to say that he has commented on this thread, was sure that the Colts were making a mistake by drafting Peyton Manning; this poster suggested that while Manning was the more "NFL ready", Leaf had a much higher upside and would be the better long term choice.

I have no idea whom SF is coveting or should covet in that spot so much. But I am quite sure they are confident both in whom they want and, rightly or wrongly, that he is the right guy for their team.
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Big Blue '56 : 4/12/2021 12:26 pm : link
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Don't fail because their arm isn't strong enough. It is the cognitive qualities that differentiate QBs. How they see the field and how they react to what they see. I am not saying that Mac Jones is or should be the guy, but based on what I read, he may have the cognitive qualities that lead to success.


Exhibit A: Ryan Leaf



Indeed. And back in the day one of the prominent posters on BBI, whom I will not name except to say that he has commented on this thread, was sure that the Colts were making a mistake by drafting Peyton Manning; this poster suggested that while Manning was the more "NFL ready", Leaf had a much higher upside and would be the better long term choice.

I have no idea whom SF is coveting or should covet in that spot so much. But I am quite sure they are confident both in whom they want and, rightly or wrongly, that he is the right guy for their team.


PLEASE say it was bw..Thanks
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giantBCP : 4/12/2021 12:27 pm : link
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.



Jones?


Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.
I see the Jones logic  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/12/2021 12:32 pm : link
Niners are built to win now and will have quite a few players coming up for second contracts in short order. Things change quickly in the NFL. Windows are very hard to keep open.

You can say Jones does not have the physical skills of Lance or Fields and that he had a exceptional offensive roster but he did a very important thing.......executed a offense that did require him to be a very good distributor. Perhaps the niners are looking for that.
RE: My take is that...  
djm : 4/12/2021 12:47 pm : link
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.


you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.
i think it's jones  
GiantsFan84 : 4/12/2021 12:54 pm : link
the sports books all have jones as the heavy favorite for there. schefter and jeremiah both came out and said jones after the trade was made (schefter is using softer language now than at the time of the trade).

and there was no reason for SF to keep their interest under wraps since everyone knows who is going 1-2.

i haven't watched enough of fields to know if he's the goods. i think jones did a nice job of getting the ball to the right people in college. shanahan has a very QB friendly offense. i can see him going there and doing a good job and SF knows they are LOADED outside of the QB position so they are taking their shot
Schefter  
WillVAB : 4/12/2021 2:17 pm : link
Talks about Jones to the niners as an absolute certainty and he rarely does that. I wouldn’t bet against it.
My thoughts:  
trueblueinpw : 4/12/2021 2:26 pm : link
The Niners, especially the Shanahans, know a lot more about these guys than I do. Having said that, I agree they’re going to take Fields. I don’t know how, but I think Mac Jones lands in New England.
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UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 2:33 pm : link
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.



you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.


Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.
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FatMan in Charlotte : 4/12/2021 2:37 pm : link
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.



you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.



Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.


I think a lot of that is the sheer volume of predictions now. Every analyst puts out a mock, some doing several iterations. The liklihood of a player not being mocked to a team or rumored to a team is very low.

Just look at the Jags and Lawrence. Some analysts will say things like "Lawrence may not be the pick", when everyone knows he's the pick. It's a win-win for them though. If he's the pick, they never mention the comment again. If he isn't the pick, they use it to say they knew all along.

If the Niners pick Jones, it will be a ballsy move. They also better hope he's everything they think because they guy is going to have a ton of expectations on him from Day 1.
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GiantsFan84 : 4/12/2021 2:37 pm : link
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.



you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.



Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.


they have no reason for misdirection. the first 2 picks are set. nobody is trading up to 1 or 2. and in the weird event someone does get up to 1 or 2 it's not to take jones
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bw in dc : 4/12/2021 3:36 pm : link
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.



Jones?



Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.


I don't see it that way, but okay.

IMV, Jones does not move "extremely well" - he moves okay - and I would say, at best, his arm is equal to Burrow's. But I would actually rate Burrow a grade slightly higher (neither have plus arms).
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Producer : 4/12/2021 3:52 pm : link
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.



Jones?



Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.


If you think Mac Jones is as good a prospect as Mac Jones you must be smoking crack.

Burrow has a whole off-script, secondary reaction part of his game that is phenomenal. And Mac Jones doesn't have any of that.
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Producer : 4/12/2021 3:53 pm : link
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.



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Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.



If you think Mac Jones is as good a prospect as Mac Jones you must be smoking crack.

Burrow has a whole off-script, secondary reaction part of his game that is phenomenal. And Mac Jones doesn't have any of that.


* as Burrow
How can there be a smoke screen?  
Rudy5757 : 4/12/2021 5:14 pm : link
They have the 3rd pick and the 2 teams ahead of them are taking a QB. So they get to pick out of the 3 that are left. no one is trading ahead of them, they get what they get.

I heard on NFL Network this morning they may take Pitts...lol. If they traded 3 1st round picks for Pitts that would be one heck of a smoke screen. It doesnt matter to me who gets taken before our pick, I dont have a guy I am locked on. My hope is that there is a QB that teams want with our pick and DG takes a nice haul to trade down. Maybe a 3 team battle for the pick.

Unfortunately in that scenario I think Dallas is more likely to trade down and still get a CB.
Niner fans do not want Jones  
NINEster : 4/12/2021 6:31 pm : link
judging by the threads and posts on the subject. Similar arguments are made on here.

A good amount are worried about Jones being the pick for the same reason a Kirk Cousins was sought after, and Shanahan's propensity to prefer the classic drop back who will do what he's told.

Having said all of that, IMO, drafting Jones is riskier than drafting Fields/Lance/Wilson. Somewhere this last year Shanahan has admitted to having a different take on mobile QBs.

If you draft Jones and fail, then that's a huge mark on your reputation. If you draft another of those top QBs and fail, at least one could say it was worth the risk.

Shanahan is also looking at these QBs through the lens of sitting a year, and having a much better team than most of these top 5 picks tend to go to.

He has to think, if any of these QBs can (eventually) process the game as good as Jimmy Garoppolo, then it's a homerun pick with those physical traits.

You also have to consider Shanahan looking beyond QB IQ, and thinking of how the Ravens use Lamar to some extent. Not necessarily the running game, but how to use the running ability combined with how he likes the jet sweeps with Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk.




RE: Mac Jones was a very good college QB...  
cosmicj : 4/13/2021 6:32 am : link
In comment 15217330 bw in dc said:
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.

I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.
Agree with this take. There’s a real risk Wilson is being significantly over drafted even at 3. Part of me is wondering whether the 9ers will shock the world and take Pitts at 3.
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