I have to preface this by saying I don’t like the Niners. Outside of the division, they would be my least liked franchise by a lot. Obviously the NYG-SF rivalry has had a lot of history. I also think Shanahan & Lynch have been anointed by the NFL media prematurely. I understand they reached the Super Bowl in 2019, but they’ve had plenty of misses in the draft. The Garoppolo contract looks questionable at best as well.
If you believe the rumors, Mac Jones may be the pick for them at #3. If that’s the case, the Niners would have traded up from #12 to #3 and mortgaged their 2022 & 2023 first rounders to do so.
I admit, if they like Mac that much, I have no issue with it. I also felt the entire argument that the Giants could have gotten Daniel Jones at 17 to be overblown. The Giants wanted to guarantee they got Jones at 6, and the Niners would be doing the same here at #3. If a team loves a QB, it’s best not to play games.
I’m curious what people think of this.
I'd argue smoke screen but they get their pick so there's really no incentive to it since the Jets are taking Wilson.
I doubt it also, I think they will take Lance or Fields. You don't trade that many assets for a Mac Jones.
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Agreed. But if pressed for an answer, I think they traded up for Fields.
Yes and no. Having a weaker arm just decreases the margin of error. Add in the limited mobility and it further decreases it. However, if he is the pick he's atleast going to the best possible system for a player with his skillset. If he fails in SF he's going to fail just about anywhere else.
Who were the 49ers going to be able to trade with to get into the top 5? Their only real shot was Miami. Atlanta wasn't going to trade with them. The Bengals aren't trading out of the top 10. Carolina is NOT trading with the 49ers (similar needs at the time). Anywhere after 5 and you cannot guarantee getting a QB you want.
The Dolphins were the only real logical choice to get up into the top 5 and get their QB- whichever one it is.
Exhibit A: Ryan Leaf
Who were the 49ers going to be able to trade with to get into the top 5? Their only real shot was Miami. Atlanta wasn't going to trade with them. The Bengals aren't trading out of the top 10. Carolina is NOT trading with the 49ers (similar needs at the time). Anywhere after 5 and you cannot guarantee getting a QB you want.
The Dolphins were the only real logical choice to get up into the top 5 and get their QB- whichever one it is.
I think the argument is that outside of SF moving into the top 10, Jones would still be there. I get moving up to #3, just not for Jones.
I know Simms and Shanahan are real close friends and Simms works for NBC Sports so he has cred (or perceived cred), but is there more to the Mac Jones rumor then that right now?
I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.
I'm starting to think that Shanahan loves the idea of molding a superior talent like Fields or Lance
Agree, i just can't see them passing on Lance or Fields,but what do i know.
I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.
You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?
Having receivers like Smith and Waddle who are constantly open make reading the field a less daunting task. You probably don't need to get to your 4th read very often :)
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.
I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.
You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?
Yes, my best guess is the Jets are going with the blue blood talent in Fields for the reasons stated.
On the 9ers, I think they are still trying to rank out Fields, Lance, and Wilson. Fields and Lance are having their second pro days this week and that's going to help them set their board between the three. And will have to have a plan if Fields goes to the Jets and they are left with a choice between Lance and Wilson. That could be a toss-up, too, btw...
A couple of months back I posted that I saw him fitting in Pittsburgh or New England. Still feel that. He had two exceptional wide receivers who reeled in some of his erratic passes.
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who benefitted by the genius play-calling of Steve Sarkisian and six players on that offense who are going to get drafted in three weeks. But I can't believe he's even being considered for the first round, let alone a top five target. So the 9ers are either (1) seeing something in his ability that most outside of Alabama don't see or (2) they are using Jones as the smoke screen for Fields or Lance, two more physically gifted prospects by far.
I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.
You think the Jets are passing on Wilson? If this was a smokescreen wouldn't it be for Fields and not Jones?
Yes, my best guess is the Jets are going with the blue blood talent in Fields for the reasons stated.
On the 9ers, I think they are still trying to rank out Fields, Lance, and Wilson. Fields and Lance are having their second pro days this week and that's going to help them set their board between the three. And will have to have a plan if Fields goes to the Jets and they are left with a choice between Lance and Wilson. That could be a toss-up, too, btw...
Maybe but what's the smoke screen? They aren't fighting for any of them, they have their pick after the Jets.
Played terrible in three games this past season. Next you see, well, he was missing X guy, this happened because X here, and so on.
Bad vibes when I see so many fixated on the guy. Ryan Day came out and defended him, too, it's just unusual. You don't see Trey Lance's college coach come out and do that.
I know Simms and Shanahan are real close friends and Simms works for NBC Sports so he has cred (or perceived cred), but is there more to the Mac Jones rumor then that right now?
Charlie Weiss said it and that’s where this all began. They are going fields or Lance. Mac isn’t even in the thought process
Maybe but what's the smoke screen? They aren't fighting for any of them, they have their pick after the Jets.
Maybe they would be willing to trade back a spot or two (Atlanta/Lions/Panthers/Broncos) if they thought they could still get their guy and claw back some draft capital...?
It never hurts to create mystery, right?
To your point on a trade back I did give that some thought over the weekend. Would be interesting to see if they can recoup come of the cost and still get their guy. Might be hard though with this crop of QB's in a season that was such a cluster fuck. Just a lot of inexperience, especially Lance and Jones.
Apparently Jones allowed the tide and Sarkisian to install the most difficult offensive packages to date, inside of a couple months. He is accurate and projects to start quickly.
He doesn’t fit the new math with mobility and throwing off platform, but the niners window is now.
All I know is if it is Jones I think SF way overpaid. I think he will be pretty good but giving up 2 1st round picks AND using your 1st round pick is a shit ton for any player let alone a QB. They better be right no matter who it is.
But I'm sure that is why they went to his pro day, just to confirm what they saw on film. I don't see them taking Lance, he has accuracy issues. Maybe Fields, his accuracy downfield is excellent, but less so on intermediate routes. I still think Jones will be the pick.
To your point on a trade back I did give that some thought over the weekend. Would be interesting to see if they can recoup come of the cost and still get their guy. Might be hard though with this crop of QB's in a season that was such a cluster fuck. Just a lot of inexperience, especially Lance and Jones.
If you recall, Shanahan/Lynch couldn't get to Fields's first workout two weeks ago because they had committed to Jones's. But now that Fields is having a second this week - and speculation is the 9ers pushed for it - we may start to hear more pro-Field propaganda after they attend it.