I have to preface this by saying I don’t like the Niners. Outside of the division, they would be my least liked franchise by a lot. Obviously the NYG-SF rivalry has had a lot of history. I also think Shanahan & Lynch have been anointed by the NFL media prematurely. I understand they reached the Super Bowl in 2019, but they’ve had plenty of misses in the draft. The Garoppolo contract looks questionable at best as well.
If you believe the rumors, Mac Jones may be the pick for them at #3. If that’s the case, the Niners would have traded up from #12 to #3 and mortgaged their 2022 & 2023 first rounders to do so.
I admit, if they like Mac that much, I have no issue with it. I also felt the entire argument that the Giants could have gotten Daniel Jones at 17 to be overblown. The Giants wanted to guarantee they got Jones at 6, and the Niners would be doing the same here at #3. If a team loves a QB, it’s best not to play games.
I’m curious what people think of this.
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Don't fail because their arm isn't strong enough. It is the cognitive qualities that differentiate QBs. How they see the field and how they react to what they see. I am not saying that Mac Jones is or should be the guy, but based on what I read, he may have the cognitive qualities that lead to success.
Exhibit A: Ryan Leaf
Indeed. And back in the day one of the prominent posters on BBI, whom I will not name except to say that he has commented on this thread, was sure that the Colts were making a mistake by drafting Peyton Manning; this poster suggested that while Manning was the more "NFL ready", Leaf had a much higher upside and would be the better long term choice.
I have no idea whom SF is coveting or should covet in that spot so much. But I am quite sure they are confident both in whom they want and, rightly or wrongly, that he is the right guy for their team.
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In comment 15217246 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Don't fail because their arm isn't strong enough. It is the cognitive qualities that differentiate QBs. How they see the field and how they react to what they see. I am not saying that Mac Jones is or should be the guy, but based on what I read, he may have the cognitive qualities that lead to success.
Exhibit A: Ryan Leaf
Indeed. And back in the day one of the prominent posters on BBI, whom I will not name except to say that he has commented on this thread, was sure that the Colts were making a mistake by drafting Peyton Manning; this poster suggested that while Manning was the more "NFL ready", Leaf had a much higher upside and would be the better long term choice.
I have no idea whom SF is coveting or should covet in that spot so much. But I am quite sure they are confident both in whom they want and, rightly or wrongly, that he is the right guy for their team.
PLEASE say it was bw..Thanks
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.
Jones?
Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.
You can say Jones does not have the physical skills of Lance or Fields and that he had a exceptional offensive roster but he did a very important thing.......executed a offense that did require him to be a very good distributor. Perhaps the niners are looking for that.
you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.
and there was no reason for SF to keep their interest under wraps since everyone knows who is going 1-2.
i haven't watched enough of fields to know if he's the goods. i think jones did a nice job of getting the ball to the right people in college. shanahan has a very QB friendly offense. i can see him going there and doing a good job and SF knows they are LOADED outside of the QB position so they are taking their shot
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.
you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.
Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.
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In comment 15217249 Chris in Philly said:
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.
you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.
Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.
I think a lot of that is the sheer volume of predictions now. Every analyst puts out a mock, some doing several iterations. The liklihood of a player not being mocked to a team or rumored to a team is very low.
Just look at the Jags and Lawrence. Some analysts will say things like "Lawrence may not be the pick", when everyone knows he's the pick. It's a win-win for them though. If he's the pick, they never mention the comment again. If he isn't the pick, they use it to say they knew all along.
If the Niners pick Jones, it will be a ballsy move. They also better hope he's everything they think because they guy is going to have a ton of expectations on him from Day 1.
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In comment 15217249 Chris in Philly said:
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everyone who knows anything is lying about their plans and anyone who says they know anything is full of shit.
you'd think 20 years (more) of this draft nonsense would be enough evidence by now.
Yeah but that doesn't really mean everything is misdirection. Everyone assumes reports are bullshit, that's pretty accepted these days but many turn out to be true.
they have no reason for misdirection. the first 2 picks are set. nobody is trading up to 1 or 2. and in the weird event someone does get up to 1 or 2 it's not to take jones
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In comment 15217353 giantBCP said:
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.
Jones?
Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.
I don't see it that way, but okay.
IMV, Jones does not move "extremely well" - he moves okay - and I would say, at best, his arm is equal to Burrow's. But I would actually rate Burrow a grade slightly higher (neither have plus arms).
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In comment 15217353 giantBCP said:
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.
Jones?
Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.
If you think Mac Jones is as good a prospect as Mac Jones you must be smoking crack.
Burrow has a whole off-script, secondary reaction part of his game that is phenomenal. And Mac Jones doesn't have any of that.
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In comment 15217369 bw in dc said:
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In comment 15217353 giantBCP said:
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so I don’t really see a problem with it.
Jones?
Yes. He doesn’t have Burrow’s mobility but he moves extremely well in the pocket and he has a stronger arm.
If you think Mac Jones is as good a prospect as Mac Jones you must be smoking crack.
Burrow has a whole off-script, secondary reaction part of his game that is phenomenal. And Mac Jones doesn't have any of that.
* as Burrow
I heard on NFL Network this morning they may take Pitts...lol. If they traded 3 1st round picks for Pitts that would be one heck of a smoke screen. It doesnt matter to me who gets taken before our pick, I dont have a guy I am locked on. My hope is that there is a QB that teams want with our pick and DG takes a nice haul to trade down. Maybe a 3 team battle for the pick.
Unfortunately in that scenario I think Dallas is more likely to trade down and still get a CB.
A good amount are worried about Jones being the pick for the same reason a Kirk Cousins was sought after, and Shanahan's propensity to prefer the classic drop back who will do what he's told.
Having said all of that, IMO, drafting Jones is riskier than drafting Fields/Lance/Wilson. Somewhere this last year Shanahan has admitted to having a different take on mobile QBs.
If you draft Jones and fail, then that's a huge mark on your reputation. If you draft another of those top QBs and fail, at least one could say it was worth the risk.
Shanahan is also looking at these QBs through the lens of sitting a year, and having a much better team than most of these top 5 picks tend to go to.
He has to think, if any of these QBs can (eventually) process the game as good as Jimmy Garoppolo, then it's a homerun pick with those physical traits.
You also have to consider Shanahan looking beyond QB IQ, and thinking of how the Ravens use Lamar to some extent. Not necessarily the running game, but how to use the running ability combined with how he likes the jet sweeps with Deebo Samuel and Brandon Aiyuk.
I think the 9ers are going to get Zack Wilson because the Jets are going to wise-up and take Fields, who has the body type to hold up in a more dual-threat system deployed by Mike LaFleur. And Fields has just played more big games on the biggest stage compared to Wilson. So I think he'll be able to hit the ground running...Wilson will take take time.