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kelsto811 : 4/12/2021 12:26 pm
- Jordan Raanan says the Giants have done extensive work on Georgia EDGE, Azeez Ojulari.

- Jordan Raanan spoke to a bunch of sources who unanimously said Chase, Pitts & Sewell are lock Top 10 Picks that won't be available to the Giants at #11.

- Jordan Raanan says the 2 pass rushers that peak the Giants interest the most at #11 are Azeez Ojulari & Kwity Paye.

- Jordan Raanan believe it makes all the sense in the world this year more than most to trade back into the late teens and draft a pass rusher in the 1st Round.

- If Patrick Surtain is there at #11, that is a name that intrigues the Giants, per Jordan Raanan

- Jordan Raanan said that he would be surprised if the Giants select Micah Parsons
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Note what's NOT mentioned:  
81_Great_Dane : 4/12/2021 12:31 pm : link
Slater or the possibility of taking an O-lineman in the first.

If Smith is gone, I'd be very happy if they traded down and took a pass rusher. It'd be very hard to pass on Smith. But if they trade down and get another 2nd-round pick, they could get a very good WR prospect in the 2nd: Terrace Marshall, Dyami Brown, maybe Rashod Bateman or Kadarius Toney if they fall.

Just draft the right guys. No more busts.
Our reporters have zero intel on this team.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2021 12:37 pm : link
Not one was on any of the FA info. It was more national reporters. The only info they had was when they piggybacked off of people like Josina.

If Raanan is getting outside info on prospects then I will not discount any of that info. But anything coming from inside the Giants organization I do not believe even if it sounds correct.
robbie  
JonC : 4/12/2021 12:43 pm : link
I'd slow your roll.
RE: robbie  
bigfrank612 : 4/12/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15217530 JonC said:
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I'd slow your roll.


Spill, JonC. What do you know? Lol
RE: robbie  
robbieballs2003 : 4/12/2021 12:47 pm : link
In comment 15217530 JonC said:
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I'd slow your roll.


Nah, I've seen enough.
You're smarter than this  
JonC : 4/12/2021 12:48 pm : link
Odd he didn't mention WR.
From the BBI insiders..  
Sean : 4/12/2021 12:48 pm : link
Sounds like it is WR at 11 or EDGE if all WR’s are gone. I’d love a trade down if there’s a fit though.
I hope this means...  
knowledgetimmons : 4/12/2021 12:50 pm : link
That they're hot on ER Jaelen Phillips. I feel like we are desperate for a guy with his ability, and there's noone close.

Kwity Paye might also be a solid pick, but I think he's a Kiwanuka clone, and career trajectory could be very similar. Not bad, but also not remarkable.
RE: I hope this means...  
Angel Eyes : 4/12/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15217540 knowledgetimmons said:
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That they're hot on ER Jaelen Phillips. I feel like we are desperate for a guy with his ability, and there's noone close.

Kwity Paye might also be a solid pick, but I think he's a Kiwanuka clone, and career trajectory could be very similar. Not bad, but also not remarkable.

I’d hate to look at the inside of Phillips’ head and I’m not even a neurologist/neurosurgeon.
RE: I hope this means...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2021 12:53 pm : link
In comment 15217540 knowledgetimmons said:
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That they're hot on ER Jaelen Phillips. I feel like we are desperate for a guy with his ability, and there's noone close.

Kwity Paye might also be a solid pick, but I think he's a Kiwanuka clone, and career trajectory could be very similar. Not bad, but also not remarkable.


Yeah, but Phillips already walked away from the game once. You might say he had cause to do so, but the Giants can ill-afford to have their #1 pick be off the team in a year or two.
RE: RE: I hope this means...  
knowledgetimmons : 4/12/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15217544 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15217540 knowledgetimmons said:


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That they're hot on ER Jaelen Phillips. I feel like we are desperate for a guy with his ability, and there's noone close.

Kwity Paye might also be a solid pick, but I think he's a Kiwanuka clone, and career trajectory could be very similar. Not bad, but also not remarkable.



Yeah, but Phillips already walked away from the game once. You might say he had cause to do so, but the Giants can ill-afford to have their #1 pick be off the team in a year or two.


I totally get your take, it's valid. As fans, we can't really dive into the unknowns that are far less unknown to those inside the building. The concussion thing is freaky, but it's guaranteed that some team is going to take a chance on him and will likely be rewarded significantly.

If I was GM, I'd take a shot from the hip this year considering it is all but a complete punt of a draft.
In Other News: Grass is Green and Water is Wet  
HMunster : 4/12/2021 1:00 pm : link
What exactly is new here?
The talk of Pitts/Sewell/Chase gone by 11  
stoneman : 4/12/2021 1:00 pm : link
there is a very good chance that one of these will still be there at 7 or 8, could easily move up to get.

All of the pundits are now mocking the 3 QBs, and Pitts/Sewell/Chase at 1-6. It would only take one QB needy team or one of the non-Sewell OLine/CBs into the 4-6 that would change the dynamics of the order. Car/Den would be nice landing spots this year - IMO worth a 3rd round pick or so.

With that said, I have a hard time believing that one of Smith/Waddle will not be there at #11 before CB/Edge is in play.
echoes  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:06 pm : link
what Sy said would be great fits for what NYG wants in their edge re: Ojulari and Paye
Pitts gone by 7 at the latest.  
bc4life : 4/12/2021 1:07 pm : link
Sewell is going to the Bengals
trade back to 14-16  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:07 pm : link
and pick up an extra 2nd rounder, draft Paye or Ojulari, take WR and interior OL in 2nd round with those two picks. sign me up for that if Smith is gone
Serious question - not being a dick  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2021 1:07 pm : link
can someone explain what "extensive work" means and how it relates to typical work done on most prospects?

Do they look at more film?
Do they interview acquaintances?
Do they look at more medicals?
Do they have them in for a personal visit?

thank you.
Know Giants are "multiple"  
bc4life : 4/12/2021 1:07 pm : link
But isn't Paye more of a 4-3 DE?
Does Raanan have legit sources  
Dnew15 : 4/12/2021 1:08 pm : link
inside the organization or is he just putting one and one together?

Maybe it's possible that the Giants have caught on to what other teams have been doing for years and that's using the media to set up smoke screens.

I think in the past I think they have been guilty of having leaks and have telegraphed their picks.

RE: RE: I hope this means...  
AcidTest : 4/12/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15217544 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 15217540 knowledgetimmons said:


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That they're hot on ER Jaelen Phillips. I feel like we are desperate for a guy with his ability, and there's noone close.

Kwity Paye might also be a solid pick, but I think he's a Kiwanuka clone, and career trajectory could be very similar. Not bad, but also not remarkable.



Yeah, but Phillips already walked away from the game once. You might say he had cause to do so, but the Giants can ill-afford to have their #1 pick be off the team in a year or two.


+1. I'm also inclined to say no to Waddle because of his foot.
the Falcons  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:08 pm : link
have had one of the worst defenses in the league for the last 3 years. odd to me that nobody is talking about Surtain with their pick
knowledgetimmons  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 4/12/2021 1:08 pm : link
And it would suck to have the Giants pass on him and then see him have a great career someplace else.

But the Giants are in the position they are in because they've botched so many draft picks. Adoree Jackson was signed because they screwed up the Deandre Baker pick.

If the Giants didn't screw up so many picks in recent years, they could afford to take more chances.
pjcas  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:10 pm : link
i think "extensive" goes beyond the typical medicals, pro day, talking to coaches, etc...and then falls into the family background, type of kid, would he fit the culture, etc.

For example - it appeared NYG did almost none of that with Flowers and Apple
I think Peppers has Pitts  
aimrocky : 4/12/2021 1:10 pm : link
to Atlanta at 4. If memory serves right, he said that it's a poorly kept secret.
RE: I think Peppers has Pitts  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:12 pm : link
In comment 15217571 aimrocky said:
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to Atlanta at 4. If memory serves right, he said that it's a poorly kept secret.

yep, he did say that. i guess i'm just surprised. they are always the team that can put up 30 points a game but they lose 38-31
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2021 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15217570 ryanmkeane said:
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i think "extensive" goes beyond the typical medicals, pro day, talking to coaches, etc...and then falls into the family background, type of kid, would he fit the culture, etc.

For example - it appeared NYG did almost none of that with Flowers and Apple


So something unique maybe to Judge or at least something most teams do on players they are considering at their draft spot?
RE: the Falcons  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/12/2021 1:15 pm : link
In comment 15217567 ryanmkeane said:
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have had one of the worst defenses in the league for the last 3 years. odd to me that nobody is talking about Surtain with their pick


They're chasing offensive weapons to keep Ryan effective in his later years.
Paye  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:15 pm : link
seems like a guy that most NFL teams will be higher on than the draft gurus
I think the giants  
TrueBlue56 : 4/12/2021 1:16 pm : link
are looking at the DE's in case of a potential trade down. I don't see them drafting one sitting at 11. At 11 I think they will see who falls to them. Smith, possibly waddle, slater or surtain. They might even have preliminary discussions already with another team like new England or Chicago if a quarterback is available they want.
RE: trade back to 14-16  
HMunster : 4/12/2021 1:16 pm : link
In comment 15217559 ryanmkeane said:
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and pick up an extra 2nd rounder, draft Paye or Ojulari, take WR and interior OL in 2nd round with those two picks. sign me up for that if Smith is gone

I'm all for this scenario.

If the Giants feel like Smith is such a difference maker and he's there at #11, I'm okay taking him. Otherwise trade down (hello, NE), draft Paye or Ojulari and pick up Dyami Brown or someone else who can stretch the field in round 2. The other round 2 pick should go based on value (either LB or IOL). Personally, I think there's greater depth in the IOL class that this position can wait until the 3rd round and LB will be the better mesh between BPA and need in round 2.
pjcas  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:17 pm : link
yep, for example...Judge wants guys that don't care if they get coached hard, get held accountable, and can take to legitimate coaching and critiques. Lots of guys coming into the league probably think they are better than they are and they don't need the extra coaching. Flowers was 100% like that, i mean he even said in interviews how he wasn't going to change much about his play, it will take care of itself, etc.

Judge and the front office want to identify guys that are gonna put in the extra stuff. Andrew Thomas had a rough start, but if you notice in his interviews he is ALWAYS mentioning getting better with technique, changes, and coaching
Hopefully Raanan is just as clueless about the draft as he was....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/12/2021 1:19 pm : link
....about free agency.

Ojualari at 11 would be a total remote thrower for me. A 6' 2" Edge who runs a 4.6 40 vs. an amazing prospect like Jaelan Phillips? Watch Ojulari's "highlights" vs. Bama in 2020. On more than half of the reps he's either overmatched or completely out of play.

Watching Phillips and then Ojulari is like watching Deacon Jones and then Cedric Jones.
RE: trade back to 14-16  
jeff57 : 4/12/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15217559 ryanmkeane said:
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and pick up an extra 2nd rounder, draft Paye or Ojulari, take WR and interior OL in 2nd round with those two picks. sign me up for that if Smith is gone


Yeah, if they want to take an ER, trade down.
I still feel like it's about 50% chance Smith/Waddle at 11  
Chris684 : 4/12/2021 1:19 pm : link
25% Paye/Ojulari at 11

15% Trade back for edge/Paye/Ojulari

10% Surtain (I don't think he makes it to 11)


Phillips apparently has concerning concussions issues  
JonC : 4/12/2021 1:21 pm : link
don't just conveniently toss that factoid away because it doesn't suit.
Falcons may  
bc4life : 4/12/2021 1:21 pm : link
take a QB
RE: Falcons may  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15217594 bc4life said:
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take a QB

that would be awesome
RE: I still feel like it's about 50% chance Smith/Waddle at 11  
HMunster : 4/12/2021 1:22 pm : link
In comment 15217592 Chris684 said:
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25% Paye/Ojulari at 11

15% Trade back for edge/Paye/Ojulari

10% Surtain (I don't think he makes it to 11)


Gut feeling / hope - bump that 15% to much higher.

As much as I like Smith, a draft of Edge Kwitty Paye, WR Dyami Brown, LB Jamin Davis or Pete Werner, and then say IOL Ben Cleveland is to me, a homerun draft.
RE: the Falcons  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 1:23 pm : link
In comment 15217567 ryanmkeane said:
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have had one of the worst defenses in the league for the last 3 years. odd to me that nobody is talking about Surtain with their pick


Don't think Surtain is top 5 caliber. But if they aren't moving on from Ryan you might as well give him something to work with. Jones can't be counted on for 16/17 games anymore and Ridley is set to be paid - could they offload him for picks to re-tool post Ryan next year?
Paye would not be a reach at 11  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:24 pm : link
from everything we've seen, he's ranked in the 10-16 spot, and is regarded by Sy as the highest rated defender in the draft along with Parsons and Surtain, they are all at 85.

So, maybe it isn't flashy, but Paye is not a reach at 11
Uconn  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:25 pm : link
yep, i really like Calvin Ridley though. he seems like a keeper for them
And I meant to add that this should pretty much seal the deal....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 4/12/2021 1:25 pm : link
....on Parsons to the Giants at 11. He's my guy with Tryon in the 2nd. Dee-fense!
Phillips' injuries  
bc4life : 4/12/2021 1:26 pm : link
related article
link - ( New Window )
if the choice is between Paye and Ojulari  
BigBlueCane : 4/12/2021 1:27 pm : link
I would presume Judge would choose the player he's more familiar with and take the Bulldog.

I never thought Phillips or Rousseau would be this staff's radar as much as Reese's.

Roche OTOH, maybe.
RE: pjcas  
pjcas18 : 4/12/2021 1:27 pm : link
In comment 15217589 ryanmkeane said:
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yep, for example...Judge wants guys that don't care if they get coached hard, get held accountable, and can take to legitimate coaching and critiques. Lots of guys coming into the league probably think they are better than they are and they don't need the extra coaching. Flowers was 100% like that, i mean he even said in interviews how he wasn't going to change much about his play, it will take care of itself, etc.

Judge and the front office want to identify guys that are gonna put in the extra stuff. Andrew Thomas had a rough start, but if you notice in his interviews he is ALWAYS mentioning getting better with technique, changes, and coaching


Thanks, makes sense
pjcas  
ryanmkeane : 4/12/2021 1:29 pm : link
Slayton is a guy who coming out of the draft the Giants loved because of his work ethic and the extra stuff he puts into the game, his kinda all business personality. Likely one of the reasons he has been productive for a 5th round pick - that's the kind of background stuff that NYG will do with Ojulari - cause he has incredible measureables
Here's the podcast the info was taken from  
kelsto811 : 4/12/2021 1:29 pm : link
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Draft Nuggets Episode - ( New Window )
This time of the year its more important  
Chip : 4/12/2021 1:30 pm : link
what they don't say. We have been screwing up drafting since Ernie Accorsi left.
RE: pjcas  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/12/2021 1:32 pm : link
In comment 15217610 ryanmkeane said:
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Slayton is a guy who coming out of the draft the Giants loved because of his work ethic and the extra stuff he puts into the game, his kinda all business personality. Likely one of the reasons he has been productive for a 5th round pick - that's the kind of background stuff that NYG will do with Ojulari - cause he has incredible measureables


I heard an interview with him and he exuded all that stuff. Was hoping that he'd take next step this year, doubt it happens, but he still should have a productive long career ala tedd ginn Jr.
I didn't see Paye at first  
UConn4523 : 4/12/2021 1:36 pm : link
but he really does scream "Judge and Graham". And there's always that point at which effort and desire transcend talent - so I would imagine if taken its because they think he will work his ass off and can improve his pass rushing over time.
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