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Draft rumor that the WFT may try and trade up for Lance

AcidTest : 4/12/2021 8:33 pm
I've seen it reported in a few places that the WFT may try and trade up for Trey Lance. But they'd presumably have to trade a lot of draft capital to get into the top 10, and even that might not be enough.

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I hope they do  
gidiefor : Mod : 4/12/2021 8:36 pm : link
do that
If true,  
Big Blue '56 : 4/12/2021 8:36 pm : link
does this help or hurt us, or a non-factor?
the more QBs taken in the first 10  
Del Shofner : 4/12/2021 8:38 pm : link
the better, so go for it.
I really  
Straw Hat : 4/12/2021 8:39 pm : link
Hope they do that.
It would make sense  
section125 : 4/12/2021 8:46 pm : link
because Fitzmagic will not last too much longer..
Not surprised...  
bw in dc : 4/12/2021 8:48 pm : link
they were aggressive for Stafford but didn't have a QB to sweeten the deal like the Rams.

If I were WFT, I would, instead, target Davis Mills in round two or try to trade down in round one to grab him late in round one. That would be more economical and might pay an equal dividend over time...
19 to 4 is a big jump  
Ben in Tampa : 4/12/2021 8:54 pm : link
Multiple ones, multiples 2s, maybe a player

This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
BillT : 4/12/2021 8:57 pm : link
Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.
no thanks  
Producer : 4/12/2021 9:11 pm : link
I'd rather Trey Lance didn't land in our division.
I hate both picks  
superspynyg : 4/12/2021 9:16 pm : link
Better players at 11 and 46
Lol.....  
George from PA : 4/12/2021 9:17 pm : link
DG was such an idiot for not drafting Haskins
RE: This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
Ned In Atlanta : 4/12/2021 9:22 pm : link
In comment 15218065 BillT said:
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Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.



That’s quite a bit of hindsight on your part. Very few people saw Herberts first year going like it did. He looks like a future star. I hope this isn’t the case but it’s also true that people could say passing on Herbert for Andrew Thomas was dumb down the road
I definitely could see WFT  
allstarjim : 4/12/2021 9:27 pm : link
Making a play for a QB, but I think there's a decent chance that only 3 QBs go in the top 10, so they may not have to move up that far.

The Sam Darnold trade changed the calculus of the first round. I think Atlanta would pike to trade out of #4, but I think teams will assess that none of the remaining teams in the top 10 are likely to take a QB. So if I'm sitting in New England's or Washington's spot, I may be talking to the Chargers at 13 to jump Minnesota, but even then, are the Vikings a serious threat to take a QB? With what they have to pay Cousins the next two seasons? They have a $31M and $45M cap hit on Cousins the next two seasons. Do you take a QB now or wait until next year and try to get Cousins some help? I don't know the answer but it seems like a punt on the next two years if you go QB now.
RE: It would make sense  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/12/2021 9:39 pm : link
In comment 15218046 section125 said:
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because Fitzmagic will not last too much longer..


Dude is a coach killer. I'd take Smith back before him. One leg and all. In his prime he got Chan Gaily fired when he got his shot. He am INT machine. Not sure if it's wise to trade up but that would help push a position Player down.

Fitzy will help them to 8-9 wins and lose any really important game w 3-6 INTS.
WFT  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/12/2021 9:43 pm : link
should hold steady at 19 and pick Kellen Mood.
RE: RE: It would make sense  
jnoble : 4/12/2021 9:44 pm : link
In comment 15218139 LauderdaleMatty said:
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In comment 15218046 section125 said:


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because Fitzmagic will not last too much longer..



Dude is a coach killer. I'd take Smith back before him. One leg and all. In his prime he got Chan Gaily fired when he got his shot. He am INT machine. Not sure if it's wise to trade up but that would help push a position Player down.

Fitzy will help them to 8-9 wins and lose any really important game w 3-6 INTS.


He really does turn back into a pumpkin after a certain amount of wins
Would the Giants trade down to 19 for an additional 2?  
GFAN52 : 4/12/2021 10:02 pm : link
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I've thought this for months  
Sy'56 : 4/12/2021 10:05 pm : link
WAS needs to go make a move at QB, an aggressive one.

When they signed Fitzpatrick, it reaffirmed that notion. They have zero hope at QB and if they want one of these top 4-5, they will have to be aggressive.
They would have to start with the Niners-Dolphins deal  
kdog77 : 4/12/2021 10:22 pm : link
if he is available and possibly add a 2nd and/or 3rd round pick this year and make a trade down worth it for the other team.

We still don't really know who the Jets or Niners are taking either. The "reporting" all seems to be second hand inferences from different media personalities speculating on who these teams want more.
RE: RE: This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
Jimmy Googs : 4/12/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15218115 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.




That’s quite a bit of hindsight on your part. Very few people saw Herberts first year going like it did. He looks like a future star. I hope this isn’t the case but it’s also true that people could say passing on Herbert for Andrew Thomas was dumb down the road


So few people, the word people is overstating it...
RE: RE: RE: It would make sense  
LauderdaleMatty : 4/12/2021 10:54 pm : link
In comment 15218148 jnoble said:
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In comment 15218139 LauderdaleMatty said:


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In comment 15218046 section125 said:


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because Fitzmagic will not last too much longer..



Dude is a coach killer. I'd take Smith back before him. One leg and all. In his prime he got Chan Gaily fired when he got his shot. He am INT machine. Not sure if it's wise to trade up but that would help push a position Player down.

Fitzy will help them to 8-9 wins and lose any really important game w 3-6 INTS.



He really does turn back into a pumpkin after a certain amount of wins


Yup. Wash knows that obviously but screwed up last year passing on Tua IMO. Maybe Tua Never develops but relying a guy who’s close to 40 and w his past can not be the plan. If it is awesome lol
It could be that time of year  
ghost718 : 4/12/2021 10:55 pm : link
Snyder is ready for some action

The Skins  
mittenedman : 4/12/2021 10:56 pm : link
need a young QB to pair with that DLine. Gotta strike while the iron's hot.
If they were smart  
DonQuixote : 4/13/2021 2:55 am : link
they'd stay at 19 and take Kellen Mond
RE: This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
Optimus-NY : 4/13/2021 6:50 am : link
In comment 15218065 BillT said:
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Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.


Exactly, but we can also say the same thing about our team; however, it is more applicable to them considering their abysmal QB situation.
WFT and Jets  
Tim in VA : 4/13/2021 7:38 am : link
Quarterback hell defined. I'm not saying we're in the clear but we were certainly close to both Darnold and Haskins
I think they can make a move  
Dankbeerman : 4/13/2021 7:58 am : link
but need Lance to slide a bit to be realistic.

WFT could use one of their DL in a package to move up.

Wonder how Riveras ties to Carolina would impact a swap. Ioannidis palyed for Rhule at Temple.
RE: WFT and Jets  
FStubbs : 4/13/2021 8:05 am : link
In comment 15218306 Tim in VA said:
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Quarterback hell defined. I'm not saying we're in the clear but we were certainly close to both Darnold and Haskins


That's not QB hell. QB hell is Minnesota (Kirk Cousins) or the Rams with Goff before they traded him. A team with a big salary mediocre QB.

Dallas might actually be in QB hell now.
Trey Lance has a lot of talent but the pro track record of QBs with  
Spider56 : 4/13/2021 9:15 am : link
less than 20 starts in college, especially at a lower level of comp is pretty bad. Maybe Riverboat Ron sees some of Cam in Trey but I’d be good if the Skins mortgage their future to get him.
RE: RE: This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
GiantsFan84 : 4/13/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15218295 Optimus-NY said:
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In comment 15218065 BillT said:


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Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.



Exactly, but we can also say the same thing about our team; however, it is more applicable to them considering their abysmal QB situation.


he rips them now but if they trade up for a QB this year who could turn out to be really good AND they have chase young who is the idiot then?
The trade up rumor makes sense to me  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/13/2021 9:54 am : link
and I think it could be Mac Smith they are looking at. The smoke is Lance but that WAS team won the division and I think they want a win now QB. At 19, if they have to move up to the early teens to get Mac Smith, I see them doing that.
RE: If true,  
Mike from Ohio : 4/13/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15218039 Big Blue '56 said:
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does this help or hurt us, or a non-factor?


It helps if they make that trade and Lance is nothing special. It hurts if he turns into a very good QB.
Lance has the most  
Producer : 4/13/2021 10:21 am : link
experience in pro-style offenses than any QB in the draft. He took around 50% of his snaps under center, far more than any other prospect.

Why would we want WFT to get a QB with such a high ceiling?
RE: If they were smart  
bw in dc : 4/13/2021 10:48 am : link
In comment 15218280 DonQuixote said:
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they'd stay at 19 and take Kellen Mond


They could likely get him in round two...or three.
I have heard this as well on various shows  
ZogZerg : 4/13/2021 12:20 pm : link
The problem with the potatoes is that they are good enough to win 8-9 games this year with the QBs they have. So next year they won't be in any better position to draft a QB. In addition, their D-line is another year older, so waiting another years will hurt them in the long run.
RE: Would the Giants trade down to 19 for an additional 2?  
djm : 4/13/2021 12:34 pm : link
In comment 15218173 GFAN52 said:
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that isn't nearly enough return.

Think of what we gave up to go from 4-1 back in 2004. Now we are going to get back a 2nd to drop down 8 spots? Fuck no.
RE: RE: This is why I’m glad they have Chase Young  
Reale01 : 4/13/2021 12:41 pm : link
In comment 15218115 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Because if they had any smarts they’d have Justin Herbert. Now, they have to either go with the Fitzmagics or mortgage their future for a Trey Lance. Love it.




That’s quite a bit of hindsight on your part. Very few people saw Herberts first year going like it did. He looks like a future star. I hope this isn’t the case but it’s also true that people could say passing on Herbert for Andrew Thomas was dumb down the road


Gettleman apparently liked him, but then he stayed in school another year and we had drafted Jones.
Atl.  
OC2.0 : 4/13/2021 5:21 pm : link
Has the keys for any QB trade. Still not believing the chatter about SF & Jones.
That said, if they do take Jones, then with both Fields & Lance sitting there then Atl's gonna be like a dealer raking in the chips.

I'm not sure WFT  
JohnF : 4/13/2021 6:53 pm : link
can outbid Denver if the Broncos are serious about getting a QB. I think the Broncos could be a dark horse here, and may have their sights set on Lance.

Another possibility is Chicago (if they try to get a package together similar to the one they supposedly offered Seattle for Wilson.) Their fans are outraged at the moment, and the current regime (GM and Coach) need to hit a home run this year..and I wouldn't want to depend on Andy Dalton at this point.

The Bears are a lot more desperate than WFT, IMO.
True QB hell  
mittenedman : 4/14/2021 7:43 am : link
is the Jets.

Draft a highly touted prospect and never give him an effing chance. Saddle him with Gase, a losing organization & the worst offense in the league and then ultimately blame him, and start over.

Contrast to what the Giants are doing with Jones. He's had a rough go of it, but they're sticking with him until he's been given a reasonable chance to win.
The Jets had to move on though  
UConn4523 : 4/14/2021 8:53 am : link
The new HC and GM didn’t draft him, why keep him? They got a decent return after 3 failed years and are moving on.

We will be in the same boat next year if Jones doesn’t improve a lot in 2021.
RE: If true,  
Section331 : 4/14/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15218039 Big Blue '56 said:
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does this help or hurt us, or a non-factor?


I have to think it's a net positive for NYG. The only teams willing to trade out of the top 10 wouldn't be taking a QB, so that would potentially leave another position player at 11.

Add in that I have questions about Lance's potential as an NFL QB. Having a division rival burn a 1st rounder is never a bad thing.
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