Weird topic,but looking to see what my peers think. They emerged during a period dominated by grunge bands and pretty much immediately following the last of the hard rock outfits like GnR, Aerosmith on its last legs. Blind Melon had a cool sound, but no band had as distinguishing a sound as The Smashing Pumpkins. Sure they had those overdrive-laden songs on Siamese Dream, but really beautifully written progressions. Mayonnaise and 1979 are two of my favorite songs ever. Then you get MellonCollie and its like a completely different band...meaning a totally reinvented sound. Dont get me wrong, I thought the double album was a mistake as there is plenty of crap on there too.
I always thought Corgan to be a weirdo, but then you listen to him talk about his music and what hes been through in his life and I have come to admire this band more and more over the years.
Anybody get feels when looking back on this group?
Just an anecdotal thing, I always noticed the more annoying kids around me liked them and kind of overhyped their songs. I never once went out of my way to hear their music or ever wanted to see them in concert. I will just leave it at that.
They weren't as great as Nirvana, but they were up there.
Went downhill fast though around Adore.
Unpopular opinion, but Zwan wasn't bad.
Siamese Dream is a nearly perfect album.
Siamese Dream is a nearly perfect album.
Also yeah, Corgan's voice does get on my nerves, and current day Corgan kinda sucks. But the late 80s early 90s Pumpkins were undeniably awesome.
lyrically too.
Siamese Dream is a masterpiece, Gish underrated.
By mellon collie they became more corporate but still some good songs.
I even liked the song Honestly by Zwan.
Personality wise (Corgan really) was the worst, and sometimes that influences people more than the music
I'm a sucker for lyrics and Disarm was such a powerful song as was Drown - about the one who got away. I'm a sucker for those kinds of songs too.
Rhinoceros is underrated.
Can't argue if you don't like them, but overrated? They are never really thought of as the premier band of their era. That's typically owned by Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, etc.
If anything I think they are somewhat underrated.
Pumpkins were always a bit of an outlier in that entire scene. Then again, the funny thing about grunge is that none of the "Big 4" sounded like eachother (well, maybe Soundgarden and AIC had some commonalities).
Nirvana sounded very different than Pearl Jam, who sounded very different from Soundgarden and Alice in Chains, who sounded very different than the Pumpkins.
I also always thought the Pumpkins were like two separate bands rolled into one.
You had the aggressive, fast songs (my favorites being Geek USA, Where Boys Fear to Tread, Siva, and Jellybelly), the softer/orchestral stuff (1979 being the most famous example, but Silverfuck, but things like 33, Mayonaise, Soma), and then the shit kind of in the middle (Bury Me).
They had a really good run up until Adore. Mellon Collie probably could have cut some songs though. And FWIW, Siamese Dream is def one of the best albums of the early 90s IMO.
Damn, idk why I keep returning to this thread to post thoughts on the Smashing Pumpkins lol. I do have their poster hanging up in my wall of the famous 1996 show at MSG that never happened, so maybe I undersold how much I used to love them growing up, even if they were slightly before my time.
Billy Corgan really is an asshole though.
I haven't closely followed them in their later iterations.
Plus the shift to Electronica and vampire costume and makeup seemed so contrived.
Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam would like a word with you...
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The Smashing Pumpkins were another one of those nostalgic, but not memorable bands.
Nirvana, Soundgarden and Pearl Jam would like a word with you...
Yea, the first 5 years, especially, were tremendous. You also had Sonic Youth, the Pixies, Jane's Addiction, RHCP, Oasis, REM, U2, The Screaming Trees, Alice In Chains, Green Day, etc etc..
The Pumpkins had some classics. Never close to my favorite band but an undeniable part of my youth. Overall I'd probably lean towards the "good but not great" reflection of their career.
Stone Temple Pilots as well.
The 90s was the best music for rock music IMO. It's a shame that rock has fallen into less and less relevancy till we reached it's current state, but a lot of the blame falls at the feet of us (the fans) and the artists themselves. That's a whole other conversation though...
You have to be kidding. The 90’s was one of the best rock decades ever. I’m not even going to name the bands because Producer already did. I felt like Rock music started going downhill around 2005 or so.
The 90s was the best music for rock music IMO. It's a shame that rock has fallen into less and less relevancy till we reached it's current state, but a lot of the blame falls at the feet of us (the fans) and the artists themselves. That's a whole other conversation though...
It was also an amazing decade for rap music. I feel like Rock and Rap have really declined the last 10 or 15 years, but the 90’s were amazing. From a rock perspective you got away from all that hair band garbage from the 80’s and introduced a moody pissed off wave of music with grunge which is my favorite era of rock.
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In what world? It was the apex of creativity. Due to how music was distributed (album sales), you still had labels taking changes while having a modicum of quality control.
The 90s was the best music for rock music IMO. It's a shame that rock has fallen into less and less relevancy till we reached it's current state, but a lot of the blame falls at the feet of us (the fans) and the artists themselves. That's a whole other conversation though...
It was also an amazing decade for rap music. I feel like Rock and Rap have really declined the last 10 or 15 years, but the 90’s were amazing. From a rock perspective you got away from all that hair band garbage from the 80’s and introduced a moody pissed off wave of music with grunge which is my favorite era of rock.
I agree, I still listen quite a bit to 90's Hip hop and grunge... probably more than anything else. Especially when I'm working out. It's funny, musically I write and play Jazz fusion... lol.
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The Smashing Pumpkins were another one of those nostalgic, but not memorable bands.
You have to be kidding. The 90’s was one of the best rock decades ever. I’m not even going to name the bands because Producer already did. I felt like Rock music started going downhill around 2005 or so.
I'd probably say it started going downhill in 1998 or so when the recording industry spent all of their development and publicity money on the former "Mickey Mouse Club" acts (i.e. Britney Spears, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Jessica Simpson).
Those artists were way more profitable (they didn't write their own songs) and easy to control. The industry's publicity machine flooded them on MTV and the radio and pushed rock bands right off the air waves.
From a songwriting perspective, Corgan was insanely prolific throughout the 90s. There were so many songs written around each official release. Hell, even the Aeroplane Flies High box set of B-sides/unused songs has its own boxset of even more B-sides/unused songs. I get that for some people it's all shit, but for me his quality ratio is extremely high across hundreds of songs between Gish and Machina 1+2. I can't think of many people with a better good-to-bad ratio across that many songs.
From a musician perspective, Corgan and Chamberlain were heavyweights and their playing still sounds fresh today.
With all that said, I haven't liked much after Machina or after the Zwan album. I think Corgan has largely emptied his tank when it comes to great songs, but he's left us with a shitload of them.
A friend of mine loved 80's hair bands and thought crunge ruined rock- but for me it really brought back the blues element of rock, not in the traditional sound way but more in a way that it expanded on the themes lyrically and how it made you feel listening to it.
Everything about Corgan is distinctive but yes he's a big league, grade A asshole who's history of gaslighting other band members with the unbearable burden of label/tour expectations is legendary.
Jimmy Chamberlain is an absolute monster. His track on Geek USA was a 1st take which for anyone who's every recorded music knows is pretty fucking bonkers.
I'd probably say it started going downhill in 1998 or so when the recording industry spent all of their development and publicity money on the former "Mickey Mouse Club" acts (i.e. Britney Spears, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Jessica Simpson).
Those artists were way more profitable (they didn't write their own songs) and easy to control. The industry's publicity machine flooded them on MTV and the radio and pushed rock bands right off the air waves.
Circa 1999-2000 also had the stink of nu-metal. That crap was horrid.
As for grunge. Too many bands trying to sound the same. There were things I liked, and things I didn't. I heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" about a year before it hit big and I instantly new Nirvana was going to be huge. Who knows what might have been with them. Frankly, I find them good. Not great. They COULD have been great, given time. STP, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Screaming Trees, Melvins, Mudhoney, all of them had moments. Pearl Jam obviously transcended into superstardom, but like I mentioned in a previous thread, I could not stand his voice. Not even a little. That was my problem with most grunge bands. I loved the music, couldn't stand the vocals. Just an opinion, doesn't mean shit. As for calling the 90s a dead area for rock...hmmm...not buying it. As a child of the 70s who went through the dearth of "rock" in the 80s except for the stuff you had to go to college rock radio to find, the 90s were a revolution back into the mainstream for a lot of us. Yeah, it brought on the BS fake punk and pop-punk bullshit, but it was a fun time in the very late 80s and early 90s listening to The Smithereens, Cracker, Soup Dragons, Too Much Joy, Catherine Wheel, Ned's Atomic Dustbin, Matthew Sweet, James, Pavement, Soul Asylum, Primus, Weezer, Radiohead.....anything but a dead zone to me, even if you hated grunge
Dave Grohl? if that, and is that it?
I say grunge era because Dinosaur Jr, weren't traditional grunge, but had some similarities, they were probably one of the first alternative bands (besides the Pixies of course who were alternative and didn't know it).
I think the worst thing that can be said about the grunge era is it directly or indirectly birthed emo and pop-punk, but some of those bands were fun too, even if not technically great.
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I'd probably say it started going downhill in 1998 or so when the recording industry spent all of their development and publicity money on the former "Mickey Mouse Club" acts (i.e. Britney Spears, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Jessica Simpson).
Those artists were way more profitable (they didn't write their own songs) and easy to control. The industry's publicity machine flooded them on MTV and the radio and pushed rock bands right off the air waves.
Circa 1999-2000 also had the stink of nu-metal. That crap was horrid.
I was going to say late 90s early 00s had some pretty bad rock/metal. My favorite bands were on hiatus or had broken up and there was a flood of shit on the radio.
I think some agreed with me in that I probably didn't appreciate them as much at the time because there were sooooo rock acts just exploding at the time.
Also, sb's onterpretation of what happened to pretty much END the rock era at the end of the 90s was pretty spot on. Now a days you are getting only rock acts that emerged independently and are hardly rock at all. Rock now a days is really confined to the jam band scene.
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The Smashing Pumpkins were another one of those nostalgic, but not memorable bands.
You have to be kidding. The 90’s was one of the best rock decades ever. I’m not even going to name the bands because Producer already did. I felt like Rock music started going downhill around 2005 or so.
I'd probably say it started going downhill in 1998 or so when the recording industry spent all of their development and publicity money on the former "Mickey Mouse Club" acts (i.e. Britney Spears, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Jessica Simpson).
Those artists were way more profitable (they didn't write their own songs) and easy to control. The industry's publicity machine flooded them on MTV and the radio and pushed rock bands right off the air waves.
Good call, I remember TRL on MTV with Carson Daly around that time and it got to the point where they would play like 20 seconds of a music video and get right back to chatting with all of the pop stars in the front of their Times Square window in NYC. Part of the slow death of MTV as it morphed onto a full reality television based network.
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Rock drumming is Dave Grohl, BUT Jimmy Chamberlin of Pumpkins gives him a run. I'm a fan of their music but I definitely understand the love them or hate them with this band.
Siamese Dream is a nearly perfect album.
I think Jimmy is better than Grohl tbh.
From a pure technical mastery standpoint, I totally agree. Chamberlain was the shit and if I were a Pumpkins fan he'd be a massive reason why.
I agree. I really liked them in HS through College, and from everything I've read they are all really good dudes. Shinoda is extremely talented, gifted in many forms of art. Their music isn't for everyone but I enjoy it.
Corgan’s voice is very unique. It seems like people either love it or hate it. I don’t mind it at all, but I wouldn’t say he’s one of my favorite singers by any means.
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2000’s that I am frankly not sure what to classify them as (sort of a rap/rock/metal/alternative/electronic combination), was Linkin Park. The only album I didn’t care for was the last one that sounded like a pop record. Some of their best stuff was actually music they released through LP Underground which included remixes that were better than some of the versions that ended up on the finished records as well as instrumentals.
I agree. I really liked them in HS through College, and from everything I've read they are all really good dudes. Shinoda is extremely talented, gifted in many forms of art. Their music isn't for everyone but I enjoy it.
If you haven’t heard it already lookup “announcement service public” on YouTube. I think it was an LP Underground instrumental. That one will get you amped up for lifting or running lol.
Good call. In another thread on here recently I commented that I really didn’t care for early JA, partially because Perry was so whiny. I thought he tightened it up a bit on Strays and The Great Escape Artist. The music is more aggressive and less drugged out and whiny sounding on those two albums.
Peaked early though IMO.
Kind of like Weezer. Weezer blue album is as good as it gets in the 90's. Pinkerton was criminally underrated, and since then they've basically been releasing the same album for 25 years - Beverly Hills or Islands in the Sun or if You're wondering, etc. and a bunch of filler.
Peaked early though IMO.
Kind of like Weezer. Weezer blue album is as good as it gets in the 90's. Pinkerton was criminally underrated, and since then they've basically been releasing the same album for 25 years - Beverly Hills or Islands in the Sun or if You're wondering, etc. and a bunch of filler.
Glad you said that about Weezer, everybody I know seems to think very highly of them but I really only liked the blue album. Outside of that album the music is pretty much the same every record. They are definitely not a band that takes pride in switching up their style from time to time.
Agree. Corgan is like nails on a chalkboard to me. With a different singer, I would have been a bigger fan
Peaked early though IMO.
Kind of like Weezer. Weezer blue album is as good as it gets in the 90's. Pinkerton was criminally underrated, and since then they've basically been releasing the same album for 25 years - Beverly Hills or Islands in the Sun or if You're wondering, etc. and a bunch of filler.
Part of it was Mike Shinoda doing his side projects of which there are many. Fort Minor, his solo work, producing for other artists, painting/drawing, and his philanthropy. I have to think Chester's demons played a role
But the first 2 LP albums were awesome, still really playable 15-20 years later. Definitely their best work.
System of a Down was their own thing. Not sure quite how to classify them.
Maybe they weren't all nu-metal exactly, but there was a deluge of bands around that time that were almost all terrible IMO - Limp Bizkit, Papa Roach, Linkin Park, Staind, Disturbed, Drowning Pool, Puddle of Mudd, Sevendust, Slipknot, Mudvayne, etc.
Korn had a few good songs, but not a fan overall. Deftones were pretty good though. Godsmack's first album had some great songs but wouldn't say I'm a huge fan of theirs in general.
Corgan’s voice is very unique. It seems like people either love it or hate it. I don’t mind it at all, but I wouldn’t say he’s one of my favorite singers by any means.
Like Pearl Jam, I only know the Pumpkins for the first 3 albums. Vitalogy I still found great for PJ, but their material got kind of diluted with No Code and Yield. The Pumpkins, I dont think I even tried to listen to anything after Mellon Collie.
Their look, their logo, their songs. Awful and down there with the likes of Blink-182.
Their look, their logo, their songs. Awful and down there with the likes of Blink-182.
I loved the blue album. My name is Jonas is an all time classic.
and the poppy songs like Buddy Holly, Say it Ain't So and the Sweater Song were party classics.
but they became so derivative they became unlistenable.
however, a case could be made that Pinkerton was better than the blue album. El Scorcho, Pink Triangle, The Good Life, just a "smart" album.
and if you got the deluxe edition like me you had "You gave your love to me softly" on it and you recognized that from the movie Angus.
but again, no growth after those two for 25 years, lol
But for whatever reason I could not get into them. Maybe it's Corgan or something, I don't know.
The music may have went downhill but something was going up when Britney came on the scene.
Just a bunch of chanting stuff like "woahhh" and yelling gibberish lyrics. I think it was 2005 or 2006 maybe, and one of my friends had their most recent CD and it was horrid.
Yeah and they're probably looked at as this big Godfather hipster band now among teenagers today. Gross. I also remember when they named a CD after Hurley from Lost. So stupid.
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The Smashing Pumpkins were another one of those nostalgic, but not memorable bands.
You have to be kidding. The 90’s was one of the best rock decades ever. I’m not even going to name the bands because Producer already did. I felt like Rock music started going downhill around 2005 or so.
I'd probably say it started going downhill in 1998 or so when the recording industry spent all of their development and publicity money on the former "Mickey Mouse Club" acts (i.e. Britney Spears, N'Sync, Backstreet Boys, Jessica Simpson).
Those artists were way more profitable (they didn't write their own songs) and easy to control. The industry's publicity machine flooded them on MTV and the radio and pushed rock bands right off the air waves.
Their look, their logo, their songs. Awful and down there with the likes of Blink-182.
There are legions of people my age (32) who started playing guitar because of Blink. They were a gateway drug for a lot of musicians.
Also, Blink-182 wrote really well crafted pop songs.
My next point is more of a general observation, but this type of attitude - "if something is popular, it must suck" - is why rock music no longer has the cultural relevance it once had. Sure, it was always there to an extent, but it got to the point where people in rock bands never even *aspired* to actually hit it truly big. Well, when that happens, you get less rockstars, and the genre fades from pop culture consciousness. You need the attention whores like Blink-182 in the mainstream, they have their place (besides, I think Good Charlotte is a better example of what you were going for anyway).
Couple that attitude with rock radio/media not really showcasing any young, new, up and coming bands since the early 00s, and you end up with what we have today. Seriously, when was the last time there was a group of young bands that had mainstream buzz? Probably the early 00s with The Hives/Strokes/Vines/White Stripes.
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Weezer was/still is fucking terrible.
Their look, their logo, their songs. Awful and down there with the likes of Blink-182.
I loved the blue album. My name is Jonas is an all time classic.
and the poppy songs like Buddy Holly, Say it Ain't So and the Sweater Song were party classics.
but they became so derivative they became unlistenable.
however, a case could be made that Pinkerton was better than the blue album. El Scorcho, Pink Triangle, The Good Life, just a "smart" album.
and if you got the deluxe edition like me you had "You gave your love to me softly" on it and you recognized that from the movie Angus.
but again, no growth after those two for 25 years, lol
legitimately looked like wherever they were was where they wanted to be and entertaining gave them joy not just a paycheck.
I saw them at a few warped tours, which were fun shows to go to anyway, and festival shows, and they always get some of the best crowd reaction. even if it was due to their immature or sophomoric humor.
you can all critique them musically and how serious they were or not - that is not my point (though Adam's Song was kind of poignant).
the only more fun I saw in a concert was Mighty Mighty Bosstones with the Pietasters at the 9:30 club in DC - that place was perfect for a show like that, small, cozy, but not tiny and allowed for the crazies who wanted a mosh pit and the other people who were just typical concert goers.
anyway - good thread Chopper - brings back some memories.
Really enjoyed Billy on with Joe Rogan. I recommend it. Cool dude.
Great band.
Figured I might as well post it, it's worth the watch IMO and there's some good reasons that the host points out.
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What sucked back then still sucks today.
Went to a concert in 2002 or with friends and Green Day blew them off the stage when the two bands went on tour together. After that whole mess the bands stopped switching between who opened and who closed the show.
Green Day is mainstream and shouldn't have wasted their time sharing the same stage with Blink. Green Day called them out for their sloppy performances and justifiably so. Armstrong's displeasure was noted on an MTV segment as well back then.
Guess what? I was around in 1999 and remember them before they came out. Blink isn't even a pimple on the ass of the music industry.
What sucked back then still sucks today.
Went to a concert in 2002 or with friends and Green Day blew them off the stage when the two bands went on tour together. After that whole mess the bands stopped switching between who opened and who closed the show.
Green Day is mainstream and shouldn't have wasted their time sharing the same stage with Blink. Green Day called them out for their sloppy performances and justifiably so. Armstrong's displeasure was noted on an MTV segment as well back then.
Guess what? I was around in 1999 and remember them before they came out. Blink isn't even a pimple on the ass of the music industry.
I'm not arguing about what band is better. I don't care about what sounds good to you, and you don't care about what sounds good to me (one of my favorite bands, The Dillinger Escape Plan, sounds like pure noise to 99.999% of the human population).
My point was more about why rock music isn't in the public consciousness anymore. You need those cheesy pop stars to retain the relevance.
As an example a lot of the other music I listen to is house and techno (NOT edm). EDM is derided in the music circles for the electronic music I'm into, but the people doing that are short sighted, because they don't realize that artists like Swedish House Mafia got people into electronic music back in the early 10s, who found other music, and are now the DJs and producers we listen to.
Having said that, Blink's best albums are a lot better than Green Day's to me. Green Day was way more straight power chordy, Blink had a lot more going on guitarwise, dual vocalists, and a much better drummer. Still not great live, but they are better on an album (mostly talking about Take Off Your Pants and Jacket here).
But for fucks sake, can we not sit here and argue about who's "better" Blink 182 vs Green Day? It's 2021, this is such an outdated, dumb conversation to have. Both of these bands are old and pretty much share the same fanbase at this point (the vast vast majority of which is people over the age of 30).
Yeah. I had friends just like you in high school. I was more of a Hall and Oates kind of guy.
Take off your Pants was the one with the song referencing sex with dogs? Right?
Yes 2021 where the idea of going to a concert sounds outlandish. Just think of those days of a time when you can actually enjoy your life without having the mommy/Karen mentality putting a choke hold on a good time.
Did you go to Pinelands?
It also is laughable considering how big they were and the fact they're still touring and putting out albums that people listen to.
It's so weird that people can't divorce their personal opinions on music from an artist's stature when it comes to a dead genre. Like, I never ever really liked Pearl Jam save for a couple songs, most of which were B-sides -- but that doesn't mean they "aren't a pimple on the ass of the music industry".
Grow the fuck up dude, you sound like you just got out of a time machine from 2002.
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so yeah, we were both def at PNC. Literally the same show, pretty funny.
Did you go to Pinelands?
Also, that isn't what a Karen is.
And Smashing Pumpkins was not a grunge band. Neither was STP. Only bands from Seattle are grunge, imo. Nirvana, Soundgarden, The Melvins, Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc etc..
And Smashing Pumpkins was not a grunge band. Neither was STP. Only bands from Seattle are grunge, imo. Nirvana, Soundgarden, The Melvins, Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc etc..
But yeah, if we're talkin grunge, can't forget about Tad and Green River also!
I haven't been on here as much like I used to. This team is not that interesting.
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great 90s bands.
And Smashing Pumpkins was not a grunge band. Neither was STP. Only bands from Seattle are grunge, imo. Nirvana, Soundgarden, The Melvins, Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc etc..
Love Pavement, was going to bring them up earlier in this thread. Little later in the decade, but I liked the Dismemberment Plan also, who always kinda reminded me of Pavement. That scene of indie rock was cool, Built to Spill was another classic. I don't know if they would it in that genre, but Braid was another I liked, although they kind of splintered into that whole initial first-wave-midwest-emo thing.
But yeah, if we're talkin grunge, can't forget about Tad and Green River also!
Not really too much later int he decade. I was into them in 92 with Slanted and enchanted and saw them a few times. And the EP Westing. To me that was their best period ending with Crooked Rain.
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Is that you Sonic?
Yeah I never said I wasn't Sonic Youth. I've actually said it before in other posts.
Ha that's funny. I had no idea but I was thinking it based on what you were posting in the last couple of music threads. Sup dood?
Nirvana was incredible live. I never understand people who like rock but don't like Nirvana.
I haven't been on here as much like I used to. This team is not that interesting.
I'd love to see rock music become relevant again. It's so funny though, the people who rep the 90s alt-rock artists and early 00s rock bands these days are these emo/soundcloud rappers. Never thought I'd see the day where THEY'D be the ones bringing back rock music.
It does make sense though when you think about the age of thees kids. They're all like 20, they grew up with the internet, so they could get access to pretty much anything they wanted. The whole "subculture" thing, where you identify really strongly with what you listen to, started to go away once people didn't have to buy albums and spend $15-20 to get a CD.
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great 90s bands.
And Smashing Pumpkins was not a grunge band. Neither was STP. Only bands from Seattle are grunge, imo. Nirvana, Soundgarden, The Melvins, Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc etc..
Love Pavement, was going to bring them up earlier in this thread. Little later in the decade, but I liked the Dismemberment Plan also, who always kinda reminded me of Pavement. That scene of indie rock was cool, Built to Spill was another classic. I don't know if they would it in that genre, but Braid was another I liked, although they kind of splintered into that whole initial first-wave-midwest-emo thing.
But yeah, if we're talkin grunge, can't forget about Tad and Green River also!
Not really too much later int he decade. I was into them in 92 with Slanted and enchanted and saw them a few times. And the EP Westing. To me that was their best period ending with Crooked Rain.
And sup Johnny! Hope you're still playing a lotta guitar these days.
Deftones are great. I think they've gotten better with age and evolved their sound. Definitely one of the handful of bands that I clung to survive the torrent of shit in the early 00s.
Diamond Eyes forward I think they reached a whole new level melding in influences from Moreno's side project Team Sleep (also worth a listen).
Lost interest in rock and really all new music with the Strokes. Never a big fan of their music but the last band I found tolerable (think My Morning Jacket was earlier who I do think are pretty good as well).
Sound like an old man but boy do I love the 90s rock. Hoping rock makes a comeback but wouldn’t be surprised if it never left and just became less publicized.
Can’t listen to rap, techno, pop, and dance music. Love me some k-pop though (joking of course).
It is funny how the grunge music became the fashion style of the 90s. Bet nobody in the 80s saw that coming
Anyway, never liked the Pumpkins except for Drown - or at least the first twenty minutes of that song. I had a good friend in college who played Siamese Dream like every fucking time we were drinking beer at his house. And we drank a lot of beer at his house. They were good - no doubt but I just got sick of them.
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
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Is that you Sonic?
Yeah I never said I wasn't Sonic Youth. I've actually said it before in other posts.
Ha that's funny. I had no idea but I was thinking it based on what you were posting in the last couple of music threads. Sup dood?
Did Sonic get banned or did he think he just needed a new start under a new name?Because he couldve kept the same one only to be pointed to and laughed at like before
Hours later, but it's a great point that Celebrity Skin - which is a platinum album - is heavily influenced by Corgan. Definitely have to add that to his 90s dominance.
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Is that you Sonic?
Yeah I never said I wasn't Sonic Youth. I've actually said it before in other posts.
Ha that's funny. I had no idea but I was thinking it based on what you were posting in the last couple of music threads. Sup dood?
Did Sonic get banned or did he think he just needed a new start under a new name?Because he couldve kept the same one only to be pointed to and laughed at like before
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
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Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
Back to the music posts:
Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
Says the guy who passes judgement and screams policies at posters while allowing the need to dip into that category of drug despite what is known about them. I have done them all, but multiple times you have come on here crying the blues because of "a weakness"....no, youm ade a choice and use that as a crutch when dipping into any discussion.
Maybe if you werent so blatantly and openly looking for sympathy or applause for your history I would find it more legitimate. But you strike me as someone who is looking for approval from people for a feat you havent accomplished yet. Tjats fine, maybe if you werent such an out-spoken blowhard and didnt reference your time doing opiates you could be taken more seriously and I would be more sympathetic. Instead, you continue to be the disingenuine mouth piece ypu always have been.
Glad you're back...new name and all.
This is probably the exact way I feel about this band. Were a thing at the time...it wasnt until now that I really appreciated what they brought to the table.
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
Back to the music posts:
Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
Says the guy who passes judgement and screams policies at posters while allowing the need to dip into that category of drug despite what is known about them. I have done them all, but multiple times you have come on here crying the blues because of "a weakness"....no, youm ade a choice and use that as a crutch when dipping into any discussion.
Maybe if you werent so blatantly and openly looking for sympathy or applause for your history I would find it more legitimate. But you strike me as someone who is looking for approval from people for a feat you havent accomplished yet. Tjats fine, maybe if you werent such an out-spoken blowhard and didnt reference your time doing opiates you could be taken more seriously and I would be more sympathetic. Instead, you continue to be the disingenuine mouth piece ypu always have been.
Glad you're back...new name and all.
Plus, my oxycontin addition started back in 2009 when it was given to me for surgery. A very common story.
Regardless, this entire post is you backtracking. I really don't care what you have to say about addiction, but you should probably think twice before clutching your pearls and casting judgement like that considering the opiate epidemic that's been sweeping the country. Dickhead comment, but hey, you do you, at least ya got a cool dig like one of the BBI kool kidz.
but they had fun, sort of like the Jimmy Buffet of pop/punk
at least IMO
The most interesting music I found recently is Machine Gun Kelly - and that says more about the state of current music than it does about MGK, and what's ironic is Travis Barker from Blink 182 is his producer and I guess he crossed over from rap/hip hop to pop punk - I only really know hotel diablo and tickets to my downfall - which is really good.
other than that song with Halsey who is nails on a chalkboard annoying
The most interesting music I found recently is Machine Gun Kelly - and that says more about the state of current music than it does about MGK, and what's ironic is Travis Barker from Blink 182 is his producer and I guess he crossed over from rap/hip hop to pop punk - I only really know hotel diablo and tickets to my downfall - which is really good.
other than that song with Halsey who is nails on a chalkboard annoying
I'm really surprised you like the new Machine Gun Kelly album. It's not that it's bad, but it's funny to hear someone older than me say they like it, because people my age sort of have this attitude of like "why is he releasing this in 2021? If I wanted to hear this, I'll just go listen to the Drive-Thru records stuff we liked in the early 00s". The inversion there is pretty funny.
But yeah, Travis Barker crossing over to hip hop is sort of what I alluded to earlier. He's not really known as Blink 182's drummer anymore, and he kicks off the careers of a lot of young rappers, most of whom, due to their age, grew up liking a lot of rock music.
About a year ago, he actually did a virtual set with Post Malone (who was playing guitar) of all Nirvana songs. And I'm not talking just the hits, like the second song was Drain You (fav Nirvana song), and they were playing things like Radio Friendly Unit Shifter.
Sort of speaks to what I was saying earlier about the barriers being broken down for younger generations. Lil Uzi Vert, who is a huge rapper, follows one person on social media who he considers his biggest influence: Marilyn Manson. The rising underground rap group City Morgue has one of the rappers who's favorite artists are like Slipknot and Paramore (Paramore is one artist who is weirdly big with these young rappers).
I'm not really into any of the music come out from that scene, but it really is funny that *they* are the ones repping these rock bands these days. If that's what it takes to get more people exposed to that music as a gateway drug and get some young talent/new blood into the bands, so be it. Guess it has to be that way since rock bands no longer want to be rock stars.
twenty one pilots, panic at the disco, post malone (who is very talented IMO), etc.
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And pjacs, don't let that stop you man! I will say, there ARE good bands out there today, but none will ever be "mainstream" since that just isn't something bands aspire to these days.
One band I've found within the last year that I really love is this band Crumb. It's definitely not as aggressive as some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, but they are all really talented 20-somethings who put out psychedelic tinged indie rock.
Also, if you're into post punk, there is a bit of a revival coming around (which is more of a revival of a revival, namely the 2001 Interpol-era post punk revival). Some good bands have come out of that scene, like Shame and Black Midi.
The 00s also wasn't as barren as people think, but a lot of the interesting bands were coming out of Post-hardcore and punk scenes, even if they weren't too punk themselves.
My favorite band of all time, The Fall of Troy, came out from that scene, as did my namesake, Bear Vs Shark (basically sounds like At the Drive-In if they grew up on MC5 instead of punk music). Title Fight is a FANTASTIC artist who is now turning into one of the bands that the young kids rep, but had their heydey in 2009-2015, and is probably the one band people in this thread that would fit right in with the tastes described in this thread.
Plus a lot of cool Math Rock that bled into the 2010s, things like early Tera Melos, Damiera, Covet, Chon.
Going back to hip hop artists repping rock bands, it's cool when the inverse happens. Like 4-5 years ago, a band that used to be djent-y called Polyphia put out a song called 40 Oz that was pretty much math rock/djent trap -- and it worked. Very cool to see the crossover, and the hybridization is a hallmark of the young millennial/Gen-Z bands.
Have a meeting I have to get ready for in an hour, but going to post some links later. Who knows, maybe people will find some stuff they're into.
But yeah, that's the problem with there being no mainstream rock music -- it becomes hard to find hooks or starting point to get to the good stuff, especially as you get older (I'm dealing with this now).
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
If you are into the new Machine Gun Kelly music (personally I am not) then you need to check out Kenny Hoopla. He is in my opinion, single handedly reviving the whole late 90s pop punk sound. He also gets Travis Barker on some of his songs. He also does some other interesting stuff as he crosses over from a rap-ish sound that seems like he is abandoning. I am a big fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2kt4RQkL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlxU7FKdF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlFuUWShuYM
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
That's actually a flattering remark for Blink-182. Tom DeLonge (or whatever) has the most annoying voice in the world.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
They were definitely good songwriters. For my money, they wrote better songs than Green Day did.
pjacs, you should check out Title Fight. They haven't been active since 2015, and their last album really turned into shoegaze (it's good but way different), but if you have Spotify, it's worth a listen.
Definitely more aggressive/less playful than Pup but you can hear the similarities. My favorite songs are Leaf and Where Am I, although those are not their most popular.
If you like Pup, there's a lot of bands out there that have come out in the last 15 years you'd like (Balance and Composure, Drug Church, Polar Bear Club, Sorority Noise, Joyce Manor).
There really are a lot of good bands, but none of them actually want to be 'rockstars' so nobody outside their age groups or scene hears about them.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
Adam's Song is the one of Blinks I can listen to without shutting it off.
That's why they're a peg above Weezer.
P.s. the Sweater song by Weezer is dreadful.
sometimes (and this is just my opinion), music doesn't have to be great to be fun.
I remember whenever Biz markie "Just a Friend" came on during parties the place went nuts.
so when I consider someone like Weezer or Blink 182 I picture American Pie and the scene when Jim leaves his house and runs to Kevin's and is watching Nadia on the video and runs home with Blink 182 playing in the background - it's about as perfect a soundtrack as there could be.
I guess I just view music not always from the critical classical sense of is this guitar playing epic, does this singer have great range, but is it fun/entertaining.
and I don't begrudge anyone for their musical taste.
Like I said I think of Blink 182 like I do Jimmy Buffet. I can't stand Jimmy Buffet's music, but holy shit I have had some fun at his concerts. and to that point in my life I've had some awesome times when Blink 182 or Weezer was playing on the car stereo or at a party and when those songs come on and music takes you back to those times and makes you feel nostalgic whether it's Beethoven or Hansen (ok, not really Hansen but you get the point)
I said I could listen to Adam's Song but the others I'd shut off. The Rock Show is just a stupid ass song, too.
Because I fell in love with the girl at the rock show
She said what? and I told her that I didn't know
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Nirvana concert last year was awesome. Such a cool thing for them to do during quarantine. Malone really impressed me, thought about him in a different way after that.
Totally agree, I knew he had a wide palette in music, but I didn't know that a) he tried out for metalcore bands back in the day as a guitarist, b) he literally has Kurt Cobain tattooed on his knuckle, and c) he would be that good at singing and playing during a Nirvana cover set.
And pjacs, don't let that stop you man! I will say, there ARE good bands out there today, but none will ever be "mainstream" since that just isn't something bands aspire to these days.
One band I've found within the last year that I really love is this band Crumb. It's definitely not as aggressive as some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, but they are all really talented 20-somethings who put out psychedelic tinged indie rock.
Also, if you're into post punk, there is a bit of a revival coming around (which is more of a revival of a revival, namely the 2001 Interpol-era post punk revival). Some good bands have come out of that scene, like Shame and Black Midi.
The 00s also wasn't as barren as people think, but a lot of the interesting bands were coming out of Post-hardcore and punk scenes, even if they weren't too punk themselves.
My favorite band of all time, The Fall of Troy, came out from that scene, as did my namesake, Bear Vs Shark (basically sounds like At the Drive-In if they grew up on MC5 instead of punk music). Title Fight is a FANTASTIC artist who is now turning into one of the bands that the young kids rep, but had their heydey in 2009-2015, and is probably the one band people in this thread that would fit right in with the tastes described in this thread.
Plus a lot of cool Math Rock that bled into the 2010s, things like early Tera Melos, Damiera, Covet, Chon.
Going back to hip hop artists repping rock bands, it's cool when the inverse happens. Like 4-5 years ago, a band that used to be djent-y called Polyphia put out a song called 40 Oz that was pretty much math rock/djent trap -- and it worked. Very cool to see the crossover, and the hybridization is a hallmark of the young millennial/Gen-Z bands.
Have a meeting I have to get ready for in an hour, but going to post some links later. Who knows, maybe people will find some stuff they're into.
But yeah, that's the problem with there being no mainstream rock music -- it becomes hard to find hooks or starting point to get to the good stuff, especially as you get older (I'm dealing with this now).
thanks for throwing out some of these newer bands. Haven't heard of some of them.
it's much different, it's slow without a punk beat almost a ballad
pjacs, I agree, that song was called Mutt and it is literally the perfect song for that era, time, place, and vibe.
Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.
They were doing the thing I'm lamenting that bands don't do anymore. They said "fuck it, we wanna be rockstars" and wrote songs that would get them to that level. That being said, there are songs they have that actually do have some actual meaning behind em.
Those days were fun. Nice to know I lived during a time without a computer or cell phone in my house.
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Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.
Oh yeah I get it. My friends were all huge Blink fans and they were all slow and no one ever accused them of being geniuses lol. I'm just fucking with people like them.
Yeah. We know they're not a sesquipedalian deep lyric band, their sets are sloppy but then their fans find it unimaginable when people aren't impressed by their dumbass songs. It never ends.
I attended 4 or 5 of their shows between 2001-2009. So many fights over who was staying and who wasn't after Blink was done their set. Did you go to that one in 2004 when they did a concert with No Doubt?
The show sucked but the only thing worth sticking around for was seeing Gwen Stefani up close. I left with a different crowd than the one I arrived with.
Gwen stays in shape.
It ended up leading to a whole genre called "easycore" which was more or less Pop Punk with hardcore breakdowns (Four Year Strong being my favorite, A Day To Remember being the biggest band), which then lead to bands like Title Fight and the Story So Far who brought way more of that punk edge back to things.
Granted, that mall punk era also led to some bands I think kind of sucked at the time, like early Panic at the Disco and Simple Plan, but ya gotta take the good with the bad.
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Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.
Oh yeah I get it. My friends were all huge Blink fans and they were all slow and no one ever accused them of being geniuses lol. I'm just fucking with people like them.
Yeah. We know they're not a sesquipedalian deep lyric band, their sets are sloppy but then their fans find it unimaginable when people aren't impressed by their dumbass songs. It never ends.
I attended 4 or 5 of their shows between 2001-2009. So many fights over who was staying and who wasn't after Blink was done their set. Did you go to that one in 2004 when they did a concert with No Doubt?
The show sucked but the only thing worth sticking around for was seeing Gwen Stefani up close. I left with a different crowd than the one I arrived with.
Gwen stays in shape.
Surprised that your friends were like that though. Even by the time I was like 15, Blink 182 was already sort of a guilty pleasure. It's hard to take them super seriously as musicians when I was using bands like Mars Volta as the templates for my own band at the time.
Then as I got older, it turned into one of those "fuck it, it was cheezy, but we all liked it at the time, so let's not front" type of things. Kind of like that band Cartel.
And yeah, Gwen Stefani is fucking hot. Plus she dated their Indian-American guitarist for a long time, so I'm always down with hot non-Indian girls who date brown dudes lol. Needed those examples when I was an insecure 8th grader about going for it.
Those days were fun. Nice to know I lived during a time without a computer or cell phone in my house.
my buddies used to get in raging battles about best 80's rock albumn AC DC Back in Black and Guns 'n Roses Appetite for Destruction.
they were like opposite sides of the decade and just represented different eras of our life, I was 8 or 9 when Back in Black came out and 16 or so with Appetite so you just relate differently.
but none of the Weezer/Blink/littany of bands like them came close to that level of rock icons.
but to my point before they were still fun.
Amazing that all those guys who I went to concerts with 15-20 years ago are now all bald, heavyset dudes and "happily" married with their own man caves or whatever.
Living not far from Atlantic City, an hour from Philadelphia, New York City and even North jersey's Arenas and stadium in less than two, I must have attended 150 concerts all together in my day. It was a privilege to see so many shows, even some I'm not proud of.
I used to work at the Borgata as well.
Amazing that all those guys who I went to concerts with 15-20 years ago are now all bald, heavyset dudes and "happily" married with their own man caves or whatever.
Living not far from Atlantic City, an hour from Philadelphia, New York City and even North jersey's Arenas and stadium in less than two, I must have attended 150 concerts all together in my day. It was a privilege to see so many shows, even some I'm not proud of.
I used to work at the Borgata as well.
That's awesome though. I really miss live music, can't wait till everything is back to normal. And I don't even just being allowed to go, but just everyone acting like they did pre-covid.
they were like opposite sides of the decade and just represented different eras of our life, I was 8 or 9 when Back in Black came out and 16 or so with Appetite so you just relate differently.
but none of the Weezer/Blink/littany of bands like them came close to that level of rock icons.
but to my point before they were still fun.
I do like Nirvana. I do like Guns N Roses. I'd say I would gravitate more towards the AC DC and Guns N Roses Metallica type of music over 90s alt-rock. It's just music and those bands can be annoying as well.
My friends and I did listen to Limp Bizkit but I never took it seriously. I did like Linkin Park but my appreciation for them is top-heavy in their first album. Meteora was a disappointing album it was just boring? Every album since just declined in production quality.
Aimee Allen (AKA Aimee Interrupter) is easy on the eyes even as she emulates Joan Jett, and they're more ska than punk, but punk is broad and hence they are classified as "ska punk"
I was a massive Mighty Mighty Bosstones fan in the late 80's early 90's and they bring back that scene a little.
I think the first three records are high quality. The production on the two Ric Ocasek records is awesome, and the song writing on Pinkerton is enjoyable.
It’s a bummer Matt Sharp left after two records. He’s an underrated songwriter and there’s a bunch of good Rentals stuff.
I think the first three records are high quality. The production on the two Ric Ocasek records is awesome, and the song writing on Pinkerton is enjoyable.
It’s a bummer Matt Sharp left after two records. He’s an underrated songwriter and there’s a bunch of good Rentals stuff.
It almost feels like like Rivers made an attempt at going the Pavement direction with Pinkerton, found it didn't work, Matt Sharp left, and it then did a 180 and went full pop with Green Album (songs like Hash Pipe and Island in the Sun, compared to No Other One? You can hear the Pavement in one and the lack of it in the other).
Matt Sharp was definitely a bit of the "secret sauce". Great songwriter, and while I wouldn't say I know too too much of the Rentals besides the album with Friends of P, you can hear the difference pretty clearly when it comes to him leaving Weezer.
Rivers was always into that glam type shit though, he even references KISS in In the Garage, so maybe Matt Sharp was a bit of a counterbalance to that.
Side note, Rivers song exploder (where artists breakdown their songwriting process) is really fucking interesting. Dude has a spreadsheet based system for capturing ideas, lol.
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As far as Cuomo and later Weezer, I’ve never really begrudged the guy or been down on the pop records. Sometimes success doesn’t completely destroy a guy, and the second act isn’t dark as shit.
One thing that was really funny in retrospect was the intense, and I do mean intense, antipathy between punk and metal guys. It was only when I got into my late 20s/early 30s that I was finally able to embrace my inner metalhead and openly listen to Slayer and Megadeth and Pantera. That sort of thing just wasn't done if you were a punk/indie guy in the '90s. Metal was for meatheads, the real life versions of Beavis and Butthead. Motorhead was OK,but that was about it.
After the Blue album and Pinkerton I think he just said I'm going to make millions and I don't give a F. I really believe his entire career since has been one big middle finger to everyone.
If you give the success of Blue and Pinkerton to Sharp, how do you explain the Rentals lack of success? Friends of P, The Love I'm Searching For and Summer Girl (which are great by the way), but that's it?
Doesn't make sense.
If you ever listen to the words of "I am the Greatest Man that Ever Lived" by Weezer you can sense the irony.
And I think if Weezer tried to be another band (I don't think they did) it would be more like they tried to be Green Day than Pavement - and Pavement is another band I liked and maybe even fit the "nerd rock" label.
After the Blue album and Pinkerton I think he just said I'm going to make millions and I don't give a F. I really believe his entire career since has been one big middle finger to everyone.
If you give the success of Blue and Pinkerton to Sharp, how do you explain the Rentals lack of success? Friends of P, The Love I'm Searching For and Summer Girl (which are great by the way), but that's it?
Doesn't make sense.
If you ever listen to the words of "I am the Greatest Man that Ever Lived" by Weezer you can sense the irony.
And I think if Weezer tried to be another band (I don't think they did) it would be more like they tried to be Green Day than Pavement - and Pavement is another band I liked and maybe even fit the "nerd rock" label.
Aside from that though, there are plenty of reasons artist could get popular and another might not, especially in the 90s when things were driven by album sales.
And Greg, that's what happens when people have to buy albums and pay for their music as opposed to finding it online or getting it from a streaming service. You identify with the music more as a subculture.
Dave Grohl? if that, and is that it?
I say grunge era because Dinosaur Jr, weren't traditional grunge, but had some similarities, they were probably one of the first alternative bands (besides the Pixies of course who were alternative and didn't know it).
I think the worst thing that can be said about the grunge era is it directly or indirectly birthed emo and pop-punk, but some of those bands were fun too, even if not technically great.
Did you see that advertisement from the local car dealer about J Mascis buying a VW Golf? I thought is was fake but it's not.
I saw this quote reading a review of the Rentals last night which captures my view of Weezer perfectly.
Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?
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isn't in Blink-182 anymore. He was replaced a while ago by Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio. I think they are working on a new album.
The new Blink is so meh though.
Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?
This is going to sound cliched but I liked some of their early stuff. After Dude Ranch they became too silly IMO. They were always a little silly but it was too much for me.
these people live their lives and have experiences - emotional, literal, whatever - they experience love, lust, anguish, whatever.
and as artists do they create content based on those life experiences.
So, if people are being honest Cheshire Cat by Blink-182 is a damn good debut, and Weezer blue is as well.
What then happens is in some cases the artist has used up their best and most emotive experiences to create that art and need to try and duplicate it.
It's rare for an artist to be able to repeat that and often what happens is like the movie multiplicity with Michael Keaton, each clone of the original is missing something else from the original.
which is what separates the all time greats who consistently reinvent themselves and produce high quality contents for years or decades from those artists where you say "I liked their early stuff"
of course there are anomalies and outliers. Some bands don't hit their stride right away (figure out what they are or want to be) so maybe release #1 wasn't the best (Radiohead for example - though I loved Pablo Honey - even more than their later stuff, but I'm unique with that opinion)
anyway, just my opinion about things I've observed from tons of bands over decades of listening to music.
these people live their lives and have experiences - emotional, literal, whatever - they experience love, lust, anguish, whatever.
and as artists do they create content based on those life experiences.
So, if people are being honest Cheshire Cat by Blink-182 is a damn good debut, and Weezer blue is as well.
What then happens is in some cases the artist has used up their best and most emotive experiences to create that art and need to try and duplicate it.
It's rare for an artist to be able to repeat that and often what happens is like the movie multiplicity with Michael Keaton, each clone of the original is missing something else from the original.
which is what separates the all time greats who consistently reinvent themselves and produce high quality contents for years or decades from those artists where you say "I liked their early stuff"
of course there are anomalies and outliers. Some bands don't hit their stride right away (figure out what they are or want to be) so maybe release #1 wasn't the best (Radiohead for example - though I loved Pablo Honey - even more than their later stuff, but I'm unique with that opinion)
anyway, just my opinion about things I've observed from tons of bands over decades of listening to music.
There is a Strummer documentary (The Future is Unwritten -or something like that) - he hated what he became - in fact the Clash as a band struggled with success - many artists do.
not comparing Weezer or Blink 182 to the Clash (lol), but same concept.
In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.
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Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?
In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.
A lot of overlap except I can't really explain why - I'm not sure there is a rational reason but i hated Soundgarden.
Maybe because Black Hole Sun was played on WPLR once every 45 minutes for three years or because I viewed my allegiance to Pearl Jam and that meant i had to hate Nirvana, AIC and Soundgarden, but otherwise a lot of overlap.
I also liked some of the emo punk/pop bands like the Get up Kids, the Ataris, etc.
only other band I was a huge fan of from that time frame is Social D.
I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.
I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.
And yeah, Fugazi is incredible. My 8th grade teacher gave me a burned copy of 13 Songs which had a huge impact on me.
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Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?
In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.
Out of those bands you mentioned though, personally, my favorites (other than Nirvana) are Helmet, Jawbox, Fugazi, and Soundgarden. Good shit man.
I also liked some of the emo punk/pop bands like the Get up Kids, the Ataris, etc.
only other band I was a huge fan of from that time frame is Social D.
There was a really big pop punk revival around 2009-2014, and you'd probably be into some of those bands. Other than Title Fight who I've mentioned before, there's Daggermouth, the Wonder Years, the Story So Far. You should check some of it out. If you were into those bands back then though, you ever check out Saves the Day from that era?
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are still one of my favorites. I've seen them more times than I can count.
I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.
GET UP KIDS!! Were you also into Sunny Day Real Estate, Piebald (a little later of a band) or Promise Ring?
And yeah, Fugazi is incredible. My 8th grade teacher gave me a burned copy of 13 Songs which had a huge impact on me.
Promise Ring definitely. Sunny Day to a lesser extent but they kind of invented that genre. I never really listened to Piebald. We called it Emo in the late '90s, early 2000's but Emo became something else later on.
And I can't believe I left out Social Distortion - I even have a Social Distortion tattoo from way back when.
Some decent songs, sort of in the emo punk genre with get up kids, simple plan, A new found glory, taking back sunday, saves the day, etc.
Ataris did a cover of Don Henly Boys of Summer they had soem good decent stuff.
hey kid is my favorite song by them,
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definitely and the singer sounds like a little kid, ironically in that song "I'm just a kid"
I think Greg is a bit older than I am, just judging by his posts about music.
Oh yeah. Another one of those bands that's awful in the Blink/Weezer lump is Fall Out Boy. I might even have to go ahead and put Maroon 5 above all of them. Lol.
Puke. Who listens to that and doesn't cringe? Girls? Men? Teens? College kids?
Oh yeah. Another one of those bands that's awful in the Blink/Weezer lump is Fall Out Boy. I might even have to go ahead and put Maroon 5 above all of them. Lol.
The guitarwork on a Crow Left of the Murder for some really really sticks out to me.
Also, Fallout Boy was one that I never really liked, but that's a pretty wild assortment there dude lol. I consider Maroon 5 to be a straight up pop band, and think Weezer is from a really different time than the rest of the bands you mentioned. I do see the Blink and Fallout Boy connection, but even then, Blink was a bit earlier.
Shit though, at this point, Fallout Boy and Panic at the Disco, neither of whom I liked, are so so so far removed from what they actually were when they first came out. Both are pop bands with four to the floor vaguely EDM sounding kick drums all over their songs. Totally different from their myspace pop-punk/scene roots. Never was a fan of them to begin with though in the first place, so not too torn up over it. Wish they stayed more like "rock bands" just so there were more popular bands in the mainstream, for reasons I alluded to earlier in this thread.
Puke. Who listens to that and doesn't cringe? Girls? Men? Teens? College kids?
I gotta say though, I usually have this viewpoint that when it comes to music, I don't give a fuck about anything other than how it sounds. I got no shame in admitting that Toxic by Britney Spears (which samples some obscure arabic song brilliantly) and Last Friday Night by Katy Perry are songs I love. Like fuck it, they sound good, so whatever, lol.
But yeah, I've just gotten past the point of "hating" bands, unless the individuals themselves are true pieces of shit (like lostprophets, or, IMO, xxxtenacion, sixnine, etc)
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Really? I always thought Incubus was way overplayed. Then again, nearly every single one of these bands mentioned on this thread is looked at as overplayed. Maybe it was my location and the DJs had quite the fondness for Incubus but they really kept rolling out those songs from 1998-1999 into 2001-2002.
Incubus's big hits were overplayed (especially Drive), but their catalog is incredibly deep in terms of quality. Most of their best songs weren't singles, and each release had a different sound than the next one.
Going to agree with this - the big hits were overplayed but there's enough quality in that catalog that you can actually avoid them - I listen to Make Yourself and Privilege rather than Drive. On Morning View, I still love the other hits, but it's just a really good album top to bottom.
They evolved their sound every album and it helped them not get stale. Even in concert they changed the arrangements - the live version of Redefine from the Look Alive DVD is a favorite. It's a credit to them how they've become top musicians.
Music and literature is a no slum zone for me. Need good lyrics and sound or I just can’t do it. So something like Michael Jackson or the Eagles just kill me.
But when I find a band or musician I like well I get pretty into it
Music and literature is a no slum zone for me. Need good lyrics and sound or I just can’t do it. So something like Michael Jackson or the Eagles just kill me.
But when I find a band or musician I like well I get pretty into it
Lyrics I can take or leave. I like a lot of instrumental bands, and like half of the music I listen to is instrumental, so I never gave too much of a shit about lyrics. Don't get me wrong, they can make a song better or actively make it worse if they're terrible, but they're also easy to ignore.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
I don't know, but it just seems as if once the public approves of music then those album review guys act as if they called it a classic the entire time.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I don't know, but it just seems as if once the public approves of music then those album review guys act as if they called it a classic the entire time.
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I was at Lifetime's last show at the Trocadero in Philly.
One of the new post punk revival bands I mentioned earlier, Shame, got great reviews from the start.
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I was at Lifetime's last show at the Trocadero in Philly.
Man, could Meg White play the drums.
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Yes, I remember when White Blood Cells came out they were loved by the critics. I don't remember what was thought of their earlier albums. I never heard of them before White Blood Cells.
Man, could Meg White play the drums.
Since this thread is gonna die, and I've mentioned a lot of bands but never posted one, figured I might as well close it out with ONE song at least.
This is my favorite band of all time, The Fall of Troy. This is their most popular song, though definitely not my favorite. Having said that, it's still amazing because almost all their songs are (save for one album).
It's also fairly popular as it got a huge boost due to eventually being in a Guitar Hero video game. This particular song, FPREMIX, is off their 2005 album which Doppelganger, recorded when they were all 18/19. This record, along with Nevermind, is my favorite album of all time.
When I first heard this band and was 16, I wanted to quit playing music. They were so much better than me and doing everything I wanted to with a band, were a three piece that somehow was playing their instruments and singing at the same time, only slightly older than me, and just so much better. The album changed what I thought was even possible on guitar and changed the way I looked at the instrument, and was actually life changing (not even being hyperbolic).
Check it out, and if you like it, you should check out the whole album. My favorite song off this album is Mouths like Sidewinder Misiles (gotta get the Doppelganger version though, the earlier one is from when they were 17).
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I was at Lifetime's last show at the Trocadero in Philly.
Me too. I had heard about them about a week before on a college radio show. I was their to see the Bouncing Souls. I was at the same venue to see the Lifetime when they opened for the Bouncing Souls when they got together for their reunion. Amazing how things change.
Was Less Than Jake also part of that show? My memory could be off. I am also a big Bouncing Souls fan.
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I was at Lifetime's last show at the Trocadero in Philly.
Me too. I had heard about them about a week before on a college radio show. I was their to see the Bouncing Souls. I was at the same venue to see the Lifetime when they opened for the Bouncing Souls when they got together for their reunion. Amazing how things change.
Was Less Than Jake also part of that show? My memory could be off. I am also a big Bouncing Souls fan.
Not sure if you’re aware, but Beach Rats are members of Lifetime (Ari), Bouncing Souls (Pete and Bryan) and Bad Religion (Brian Baker). The drummer is an old friend of Souls, Dubs.
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Everyone hated it when it was released. They didn't release anything until 2001 and when they toured they wouldn't play anything off of Pinkerton. It has since gained a lot of respect.
As far as bands from the 1990s, Lifetime needs to be mentioned. Hello Bastards and Jersey's Best Dancers were great albums.
Seemed like a lot of punk/emo bands that made it to the radio in the early 2000s were influenced by them or at least it sounded like it.
Lifetime, New Brunswick NJ legends. As a Rutgers students who grew up next door, Lifetime, Thursday, Screaming Females, and Gaslight Anthem will always have special places in my heart.
We really did have one of the best music scenes out of all US college towns
I was at Lifetime's last show at the Trocadero in Philly.
Me too. I had heard about them about a week before on a college radio show. I was their to see the Bouncing Souls. I was at the same venue to see the Lifetime when they opened for the Bouncing Souls when they got together for their reunion. Amazing how things change.
Was Less Than Jake also part of that show? My memory could be off. I am also a big Bouncing Souls fan.
If you like heavy shit and Ska (and are from NJ), I'm sure some of you probably ended up seeing Folly back in the day. Great crossover stuff.
But yeah, I always thought RX Bandits was the best ska band, if you can even call them that after their first couple albums. It was like "progressive ska". The mathrock/prog ska combo really worked out well for them. Great drummer and guitarists also.
Streetlight Manifesto was my NJ ska band of choice.
And Tim Barry. Avail was another great band.
Streetlight Manifesto was my NJ ska band of choice.
I'm pretty sure Jamie teaches band at North Brunswick High School. My childhood friend who plays in a ska/hardcore (Folly-ish but not as hardcore) band called The Best of the Worst teaches with Jamie, and has always talked about how crazy it is since he spent his youth looking up to that band, haha.
maybe 1997 or 1998 in a blistering hot late July day at RFK
great show
maybe 1997 or 1998 in a blistering hot late July day at RFK
great show
I went to Blink-182 and NFG in 2001 at the Tweeter Center in Camden. What a toilet that arena, or outdoor amphitheater, was (even then, cannot imagine what it's like now) and someone got hit in the head with a banana. Blink-182 had the words "FUCK" in flames.
What an awful experience. Cannot expect much from Camden.
maybe 1997 or 1998 in a blistering hot late July day at RFK
great show
Pretty sure that was 1997, I was at the one in Asbury Park. Also had Sick of it All on that lineup. And Limp Bizkit.
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tour with Less than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Social Distortion, Blink 182, Pennywise, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Bad Religion, Bouncing Souls, the descendants, Buck-o-nine, and more
maybe 1997 or 1998 in a blistering hot late July day at RFK
great show
Pretty sure that was 1997, I was at the one in Asbury Park. Also had Sick of it All on that lineup. And Limp Bizkit.
Yep! definitely same show (different location).
I think Pennywise closed or at least was one of the final bands if I remember right, I was such a big fan of them, wonder whatever happened to them.
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tour with Less than Jake, Reel Big Fish, Social Distortion, Blink 182, Pennywise, Mighty Mighty Bosstones, Bad Religion, Bouncing Souls, the descendants, Buck-o-nine, and more
maybe 1997 or 1998 in a blistering hot late July day at RFK
great show
Pretty sure that was 1997, I was at the one in Asbury Park. Also had Sick of it All on that lineup. And Limp Bizkit.
Yep! definitely same show (different location).
I think Pennywise closed or at least was one of the final bands if I remember right, I was such a big fan of them, wonder whatever happened to them.
Bosstones closed, Pennywise was second from the end. I distinctly remember the dilemma when the Bosstones played, as the Descendents were playing at the same time on a smaller stage. I think I ended up watching half of each.
Regarding Pennywise, I know their lead singer left the band for awhile but I think he’s back now. He also wrote a book about being a punk rock parent, it was pretty good light reading.
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