Weird topic,but looking to see what my peers think. They emerged during a period dominated by grunge bands and pretty much immediately following the last of the hard rock outfits like GnR, Aerosmith on its last legs. Blind Melon had a cool sound, but no band had as distinguishing a sound as The Smashing Pumpkins. Sure they had those overdrive-laden songs on Siamese Dream, but really beautifully written progressions. Mayonnaise and 1979 are two of my favorite songs ever. Then you get MellonCollie and its like a completely different band...meaning a totally reinvented sound. Dont get me wrong, I thought the double album was a mistake as there is plenty of crap on there too.
I always thought Corgan to be a weirdo, but then you listen to him talk about his music and what hes been through in his life and I have come to admire this band more and more over the years.
Anybody get feels when looking back on this group?
Nirvana was incredible live. I never understand people who like rock but don't like Nirvana.
I haven't been on here as much like I used to. This team is not that interesting.
I'd love to see rock music become relevant again. It's so funny though, the people who rep the 90s alt-rock artists and early 00s rock bands these days are these emo/soundcloud rappers. Never thought I'd see the day where THEY'D be the ones bringing back rock music.
It does make sense though when you think about the age of thees kids. They're all like 20, they grew up with the internet, so they could get access to pretty much anything they wanted. The whole "subculture" thing, where you identify really strongly with what you listen to, started to go away once people didn't have to buy albums and spend $15-20 to get a CD.
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great 90s bands.
And Smashing Pumpkins was not a grunge band. Neither was STP. Only bands from Seattle are grunge, imo. Nirvana, Soundgarden, The Melvins, Mudhoney, The Screaming Trees, Alice in Chains, etc etc..
Love Pavement, was going to bring them up earlier in this thread. Little later in the decade, but I liked the Dismemberment Plan also, who always kinda reminded me of Pavement. That scene of indie rock was cool, Built to Spill was another classic. I don't know if they would it in that genre, but Braid was another I liked, although they kind of splintered into that whole initial first-wave-midwest-emo thing.
But yeah, if we're talkin grunge, can't forget about Tad and Green River also!
Not really too much later int he decade. I was into them in 92 with Slanted and enchanted and saw them a few times. And the EP Westing. To me that was their best period ending with Crooked Rain.
And sup Johnny! Hope you're still playing a lotta guitar these days.
Deftones are great. I think they've gotten better with age and evolved their sound. Definitely one of the handful of bands that I clung to survive the torrent of shit in the early 00s.
Diamond Eyes forward I think they reached a whole new level melding in influences from Moreno's side project Team Sleep (also worth a listen).
Lost interest in rock and really all new music with the Strokes. Never a big fan of their music but the last band I found tolerable (think My Morning Jacket was earlier who I do think are pretty good as well).
Sound like an old man but boy do I love the 90s rock. Hoping rock makes a comeback but wouldn’t be surprised if it never left and just became less publicized.
Can’t listen to rap, techno, pop, and dance music. Love me some k-pop though (joking of course).
It is funny how the grunge music became the fashion style of the 90s. Bet nobody in the 80s saw that coming
Anyway, never liked the Pumpkins except for Drown - or at least the first twenty minutes of that song. I had a good friend in college who played Siamese Dream like every fucking time we were drinking beer at his house. And we drank a lot of beer at his house. They were good - no doubt but I just got sick of them.
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
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Is that you Sonic?
Yeah I never said I wasn't Sonic Youth. I've actually said it before in other posts.
Ha that's funny. I had no idea but I was thinking it based on what you were posting in the last couple of music threads. Sup dood?
Did Sonic get banned or did he think he just needed a new start under a new name?Because he couldve kept the same one only to be pointed to and laughed at like before
Hours later, but it's a great point that Celebrity Skin - which is a platinum album - is heavily influenced by Corgan. Definitely have to add that to his 90s dominance.
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Is that you Sonic?
Yeah I never said I wasn't Sonic Youth. I've actually said it before in other posts.
Ha that's funny. I had no idea but I was thinking it based on what you were posting in the last couple of music threads. Sup dood?
Did Sonic get banned or did he think he just needed a new start under a new name?Because he couldve kept the same one only to be pointed to and laughed at like before
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
Back to the music posts:
Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
Back to the music posts:
Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
Says the guy who passes judgement and screams policies at posters while allowing the need to dip into that category of drug despite what is known about them. I have done them all, but multiple times you have come on here crying the blues because of "a weakness"....no, youm ade a choice and use that as a crutch when dipping into any discussion.
Maybe if you werent so blatantly and openly looking for sympathy or applause for your history I would find it more legitimate. But you strike me as someone who is looking for approval from people for a feat you havent accomplished yet. Tjats fine, maybe if you werent such an out-spoken blowhard and didnt reference your time doing opiates you could be taken more seriously and I would be more sympathetic. Instead, you continue to be the disingenuine mouth piece ypu always have been.
Glad you're back...new name and all.
This is probably the exact way I feel about this band. Were a thing at the time...it wasnt until now that I really appreciated what they brought to the table.
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I knew it
Lol,nice job. I could smell the opiates...I should have known something was up.
Oof, missed this post. Says a lot about a person to make a comment like this. Just brutal. Not sure if you thought this was supposed to be a biting insult, but man, it makes you look like a true, true piece of shit.
Back to the music posts:
Thomas, there definitely have been good bands that have come out since then, some of which have even come out in the last few years (for example, if you like the Strokes, you might like Crumb, Peach Pit, or Dayglow, though they definitely are tilted a little further away from the retro sound). Having said that, you're definitely correct in terms of that 2001-2002 wave of "the The bands" being the last time a new crop was in the forefront of popular consciousness, IMO at least. One interesting thing though is that there are a lot of artists who take certain genres (mostly electronic or hip hop) and meld it with guitar/band instrumentation, live instruments and all. I think this is a product of the young people who are currently making music being exposed to all genres when growing up due to the internet, so still having rock band influences despite playing other genres. Plus, playing actual instruments will never go out of style, even if rock music in the form that we're amiliar with does.
trueblue, SOAD is definitely one of the the best band that was lumped into that nu-metal late 90s scene IMO, although I think Incubus was the best (and really a truly underappreciated band).
Bobby Humprey, I agree, you can actually literally hear the Corgan influence on the song Celebrity Skin itself. I always thought the pre-chorus sounded like it was straight from a Pumpkins song.
Says the guy who passes judgement and screams policies at posters while allowing the need to dip into that category of drug despite what is known about them. I have done them all, but multiple times you have come on here crying the blues because of "a weakness"....no, youm ade a choice and use that as a crutch when dipping into any discussion.
Maybe if you werent so blatantly and openly looking for sympathy or applause for your history I would find it more legitimate. But you strike me as someone who is looking for approval from people for a feat you havent accomplished yet. Tjats fine, maybe if you werent such an out-spoken blowhard and didnt reference your time doing opiates you could be taken more seriously and I would be more sympathetic. Instead, you continue to be the disingenuine mouth piece ypu always have been.
Glad you're back...new name and all.
Plus, my oxycontin addition started back in 2009 when it was given to me for surgery. A very common story.
Regardless, this entire post is you backtracking. I really don't care what you have to say about addiction, but you should probably think twice before clutching your pearls and casting judgement like that considering the opiate epidemic that's been sweeping the country. Dickhead comment, but hey, you do you, at least ya got a cool dig like one of the BBI kool kidz.
but they had fun, sort of like the Jimmy Buffet of pop/punk
at least IMO
The most interesting music I found recently is Machine Gun Kelly - and that says more about the state of current music than it does about MGK, and what's ironic is Travis Barker from Blink 182 is his producer and I guess he crossed over from rap/hip hop to pop punk - I only really know hotel diablo and tickets to my downfall - which is really good.
other than that song with Halsey who is nails on a chalkboard annoying
The most interesting music I found recently is Machine Gun Kelly - and that says more about the state of current music than it does about MGK, and what's ironic is Travis Barker from Blink 182 is his producer and I guess he crossed over from rap/hip hop to pop punk - I only really know hotel diablo and tickets to my downfall - which is really good.
other than that song with Halsey who is nails on a chalkboard annoying
I'm really surprised you like the new Machine Gun Kelly album. It's not that it's bad, but it's funny to hear someone older than me say they like it, because people my age sort of have this attitude of like "why is he releasing this in 2021? If I wanted to hear this, I'll just go listen to the Drive-Thru records stuff we liked in the early 00s". The inversion there is pretty funny.
But yeah, Travis Barker crossing over to hip hop is sort of what I alluded to earlier. He's not really known as Blink 182's drummer anymore, and he kicks off the careers of a lot of young rappers, most of whom, due to their age, grew up liking a lot of rock music.
About a year ago, he actually did a virtual set with Post Malone (who was playing guitar) of all Nirvana songs. And I'm not talking just the hits, like the second song was Drain You (fav Nirvana song), and they were playing things like Radio Friendly Unit Shifter.
Sort of speaks to what I was saying earlier about the barriers being broken down for younger generations. Lil Uzi Vert, who is a huge rapper, follows one person on social media who he considers his biggest influence: Marilyn Manson. The rising underground rap group City Morgue has one of the rappers who's favorite artists are like Slipknot and Paramore (Paramore is one artist who is weirdly big with these young rappers).
I'm not really into any of the music come out from that scene, but it really is funny that *they* are the ones repping these rock bands these days. If that's what it takes to get more people exposed to that music as a gateway drug and get some young talent/new blood into the bands, so be it. Guess it has to be that way since rock bands no longer want to be rock stars.
twenty one pilots, panic at the disco, post malone (who is very talented IMO), etc.
Post Malone/Barker - Nirvana - ( New Window )
And pjacs, don't let that stop you man! I will say, there ARE good bands out there today, but none will ever be "mainstream" since that just isn't something bands aspire to these days.
One band I've found within the last year that I really love is this band Crumb. It's definitely not as aggressive as some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, but they are all really talented 20-somethings who put out psychedelic tinged indie rock.
Also, if you're into post punk, there is a bit of a revival coming around (which is more of a revival of a revival, namely the 2001 Interpol-era post punk revival). Some good bands have come out of that scene, like Shame and Black Midi.
The 00s also wasn't as barren as people think, but a lot of the interesting bands were coming out of Post-hardcore and punk scenes, even if they weren't too punk themselves.
My favorite band of all time, The Fall of Troy, came out from that scene, as did my namesake, Bear Vs Shark (basically sounds like At the Drive-In if they grew up on MC5 instead of punk music). Title Fight is a FANTASTIC artist who is now turning into one of the bands that the young kids rep, but had their heydey in 2009-2015, and is probably the one band people in this thread that would fit right in with the tastes described in this thread.
Plus a lot of cool Math Rock that bled into the 2010s, things like early Tera Melos, Damiera, Covet, Chon.
Going back to hip hop artists repping rock bands, it's cool when the inverse happens. Like 4-5 years ago, a band that used to be djent-y called Polyphia put out a song called 40 Oz that was pretty much math rock/djent trap -- and it worked. Very cool to see the crossover, and the hybridization is a hallmark of the young millennial/Gen-Z bands.
Have a meeting I have to get ready for in an hour, but going to post some links later. Who knows, maybe people will find some stuff they're into.
But yeah, that's the problem with there being no mainstream rock music -- it becomes hard to find hooks or starting point to get to the good stuff, especially as you get older (I'm dealing with this now).
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
If you are into the new Machine Gun Kelly music (personally I am not) then you need to check out Kenny Hoopla. He is in my opinion, single handedly reviving the whole late 90s pop punk sound. He also gets Travis Barker on some of his songs. He also does some other interesting stuff as he crosses over from a rap-ish sound that seems like he is abandoning. I am a big fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2kt4RQkL8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSlxU7FKdF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlFuUWShuYM
they gained some fame with the song Kids (and they had a fun Christmas version of it too), but they are much more than just the song Kids.
That's actually a flattering remark for Blink-182. Tom DeLonge (or whatever) has the most annoying voice in the world.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
They were definitely good songwriters. For my money, they wrote better songs than Green Day did.
pjacs, you should check out Title Fight. They haven't been active since 2015, and their last album really turned into shoegaze (it's good but way different), but if you have Spotify, it's worth a listen.
Definitely more aggressive/less playful than Pup but you can hear the similarities. My favorite songs are Leaf and Where Am I, although those are not their most popular.
If you like Pup, there's a lot of bands out there that have come out in the last 15 years you'd like (Balance and Composure, Drug Church, Polar Bear Club, Sorority Noise, Joyce Manor).
There really are a lot of good bands, but none of them actually want to be 'rockstars' so nobody outside their age groups or scene hears about them.
Hoppus also sings lead on M&M's from Cheshire Cat which is a true throwback to 80's punk, Dammit - probably their breakout song, What's my Age Again, Rock Show and more.
DeLonge's voice is annoying though.
Adam's Song is the one of Blinks I can listen to without shutting it off.
That's why they're a peg above Weezer.
P.s. the Sweater song by Weezer is dreadful.
sometimes (and this is just my opinion), music doesn't have to be great to be fun.
I remember whenever Biz markie "Just a Friend" came on during parties the place went nuts.
so when I consider someone like Weezer or Blink 182 I picture American Pie and the scene when Jim leaves his house and runs to Kevin's and is watching Nadia on the video and runs home with Blink 182 playing in the background - it's about as perfect a soundtrack as there could be.
I guess I just view music not always from the critical classical sense of is this guitar playing epic, does this singer have great range, but is it fun/entertaining.
and I don't begrudge anyone for their musical taste.
Like I said I think of Blink 182 like I do Jimmy Buffet. I can't stand Jimmy Buffet's music, but holy shit I have had some fun at his concerts. and to that point in my life I've had some awesome times when Blink 182 or Weezer was playing on the car stereo or at a party and when those songs come on and music takes you back to those times and makes you feel nostalgic whether it's Beethoven or Hansen (ok, not really Hansen but you get the point)
I said I could listen to Adam's Song but the others I'd shut off. The Rock Show is just a stupid ass song, too.
Because I fell in love with the girl at the rock show
She said what? and I told her that I didn't know
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Nirvana concert last year was awesome. Such a cool thing for them to do during quarantine. Malone really impressed me, thought about him in a different way after that.
Totally agree, I knew he had a wide palette in music, but I didn't know that a) he tried out for metalcore bands back in the day as a guitarist, b) he literally has Kurt Cobain tattooed on his knuckle, and c) he would be that good at singing and playing during a Nirvana cover set.
And pjacs, don't let that stop you man! I will say, there ARE good bands out there today, but none will ever be "mainstream" since that just isn't something bands aspire to these days.
One band I've found within the last year that I really love is this band Crumb. It's definitely not as aggressive as some of the stuff mentioned in this thread, but they are all really talented 20-somethings who put out psychedelic tinged indie rock.
Also, if you're into post punk, there is a bit of a revival coming around (which is more of a revival of a revival, namely the 2001 Interpol-era post punk revival). Some good bands have come out of that scene, like Shame and Black Midi.
The 00s also wasn't as barren as people think, but a lot of the interesting bands were coming out of Post-hardcore and punk scenes, even if they weren't too punk themselves.
My favorite band of all time, The Fall of Troy, came out from that scene, as did my namesake, Bear Vs Shark (basically sounds like At the Drive-In if they grew up on MC5 instead of punk music). Title Fight is a FANTASTIC artist who is now turning into one of the bands that the young kids rep, but had their heydey in 2009-2015, and is probably the one band people in this thread that would fit right in with the tastes described in this thread.
Plus a lot of cool Math Rock that bled into the 2010s, things like early Tera Melos, Damiera, Covet, Chon.
Going back to hip hop artists repping rock bands, it's cool when the inverse happens. Like 4-5 years ago, a band that used to be djent-y called Polyphia put out a song called 40 Oz that was pretty much math rock/djent trap -- and it worked. Very cool to see the crossover, and the hybridization is a hallmark of the young millennial/Gen-Z bands.
Have a meeting I have to get ready for in an hour, but going to post some links later. Who knows, maybe people will find some stuff they're into.
But yeah, that's the problem with there being no mainstream rock music -- it becomes hard to find hooks or starting point to get to the good stuff, especially as you get older (I'm dealing with this now).
thanks for throwing out some of these newer bands. Haven't heard of some of them.
it's much different, it's slow without a punk beat almost a ballad
pjacs, I agree, that song was called Mutt and it is literally the perfect song for that era, time, place, and vibe.
Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.
They were doing the thing I'm lamenting that bands don't do anymore. They said "fuck it, we wanna be rockstars" and wrote songs that would get them to that level. That being said, there are songs they have that actually do have some actual meaning behind em.
Those days were fun. Nice to know I lived during a time without a computer or cell phone in my house.