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chopperhatch : 4/13/2021 1:22 am
Weird topic,but looking to see what my peers think. They emerged during a period dominated by grunge bands and pretty much immediately following the last of the hard rock outfits like GnR, Aerosmith on its last legs. Blind Melon had a cool sound, but no band had as distinguishing a sound as The Smashing Pumpkins. Sure they had those overdrive-laden songs on Siamese Dream, but really beautifully written progressions. Mayonnaise and 1979 are two of my favorite songs ever. Then you get MellonCollie and its like a completely different band...meaning a totally reinvented sound. Dont get me wrong, I thought the double album was a mistake as there is plenty of crap on there too.

I always thought Corgan to be a weirdo, but then you listen to him talk about his music and what hes been through in his life and I have come to admire this band more and more over the years.

Anybody get feels when looking back on this group?
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I worked on some pieces  
Producer : 4/14/2021 6:36 pm : link
about Blink-182, NFG and that scene. I wasn't really a fan. I like more old school and harder punk. And I was older than the target audience at the time I was working on it. But it grew on me a bit. They were just supposed to be light and fun with the appearance of what punk is about, without really being fundamentally punk.
The best Weezer song written since Pinkerton may actually  
St. Jimmy : 4/14/2021 6:41 pm : link
be by Masked Intruder.
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RE: Producer  
Route 9 : 4/14/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15220973 Bear vs Shark said:
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Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.


Oh yeah I get it. My friends were all huge Blink fans and they were all slow and no one ever accused them of being geniuses lol. I'm just fucking with people like them.

Yeah. We know they're not a sesquipedalian deep lyric band, their sets are sloppy but then their fans find it unimaginable when people aren't impressed by their dumbass songs. It never ends.

I attended 4 or 5 of their shows between 2001-2009. So many fights over who was staying and who wasn't after Blink was done their set. Did you go to that one in 2004 when they did a concert with No Doubt?

The show sucked but the only thing worth sticking around for was seeing Gwen Stefani up close. I left with a different crowd than the one I arrived with.

Gwen stays in shape.
RE: I worked on some pieces  
Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15220983 Producer said:
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about Blink-182, NFG and that scene. I wasn't really a fan. I like more old school and harder punk. And I was older than the target audience at the time I was working on it. But it grew on me a bit. They were just supposed to be light and fun with the appearance of what punk is about, without really being fundamentally punk.
That's pretty cool, that was definitely the bubble gum, mall punk side of things, but you could hear that it was rooted in stuff like Face to Face or NOFX. The interesting thing about NFG is that their guitar player is pretty big in the hardcore scene because he was in Shai Hulud, and upon further listen, the guitars are actually pretty heavy (they basically said we want to make pop music with heavy guitars, that sounds like Britney Spears could sing over it).

It ended up leading to a whole genre called "easycore" which was more or less Pop Punk with hardcore breakdowns (Four Year Strong being my favorite, A Day To Remember being the biggest band), which then lead to bands like Title Fight and the Story So Far who brought way more of that punk edge back to things.

Granted, that mall punk era also led to some bands I think kind of sucked at the time, like early Panic at the Disco and Simple Plan, but ya gotta take the good with the bad.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 6:53 pm : link
In comment 15220990 Route 9 said:
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Route 9 -- yeah, I never said Blink was like some super deep wordsmiths lol. But certain songs -- like Man Overboard, which is about having to kick out their drummer due to him being an alcoholic -- actually do have good lyrics.



Oh yeah I get it. My friends were all huge Blink fans and they were all slow and no one ever accused them of being geniuses lol. I'm just fucking with people like them.

Yeah. We know they're not a sesquipedalian deep lyric band, their sets are sloppy but then their fans find it unimaginable when people aren't impressed by their dumbass songs. It never ends.

I attended 4 or 5 of their shows between 2001-2009. So many fights over who was staying and who wasn't after Blink was done their set. Did you go to that one in 2004 when they did a concert with No Doubt?

The show sucked but the only thing worth sticking around for was seeing Gwen Stefani up close. I left with a different crowd than the one I arrived with.

Gwen stays in shape.
I didn't see Blink on that tour, but yeah, I remember the first time I saw them how disappointed I was with how terrible they are live, considering that the Mark Tom and Travis show (their live album) sounds fucking fantastic. Showed me the power of post production in my early days.

Surprised that your friends were like that though. Even by the time I was like 15, Blink 182 was already sort of a guilty pleasure. It's hard to take them super seriously as musicians when I was using bands like Mars Volta as the templates for my own band at the time.

Then as I got older, it turned into one of those "fuck it, it was cheezy, but we all liked it at the time, so let's not front" type of things. Kind of like that band Cartel.

And yeah, Gwen Stefani is fucking hot. Plus she dated their Indian-American guitarist for a long time, so I'm always down with hot non-Indian girls who date brown dudes lol. Needed those examples when I was an insecure 8th grader about going for it.
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pjcas18 : 4/14/2021 6:54 pm : link
In comment 15220977 Route 9 said:
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A lot of Gen Z dudes I know aren't a fan of 90s rock and the Pearl Jam/Nirvana days is the dividing line between.

Those days were fun. Nice to know I lived during a time without a computer or cell phone in my house.


my buddies used to get in raging battles about best 80's rock albumn AC DC Back in Black and Guns 'n Roses Appetite for Destruction.

they were like opposite sides of the decade and just represented different eras of our life, I was 8 or 9 when Back in Black came out and 16 or so with Appetite so you just relate differently.

but none of the Weezer/Blink/littany of bands like them came close to that level of rock icons.

but to my point before they were still fun.

The only post Nirvana band to hit that stature  
Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 6:59 pm : link
was Radiohead, IMO
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Route 9 : 4/14/2021 7:02 pm : link
Yeah. I got it. Lol. As you said ..... this debate is very 2003.

Amazing that all those guys who I went to concerts with 15-20 years ago are now all bald, heavyset dudes and "happily" married with their own man caves or whatever.

Living not far from Atlantic City, an hour from Philadelphia, New York City and even North jersey's Arenas and stadium in less than two, I must have attended 150 concerts all together in my day. It was a privilege to see so many shows, even some I'm not proud of.

I used to work at the Borgata as well.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 7:05 pm : link
In comment 15221009 Route 9 said:
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Yeah. I got it. Lol. As you said ..... this debate is very 2003.

Amazing that all those guys who I went to concerts with 15-20 years ago are now all bald, heavyset dudes and "happily" married with their own man caves or whatever.

Living not far from Atlantic City, an hour from Philadelphia, New York City and even North jersey's Arenas and stadium in less than two, I must have attended 150 concerts all together in my day. It was a privilege to see so many shows, even some I'm not proud of.

I used to work at the Borgata as well.
Lol, let me guess, a bunch of them live in Asbury Park and brew their own beer now also.

That's awesome though. I really miss live music, can't wait till everything is back to normal. And I don't even just being allowed to go, but just everyone acting like they did pre-covid.
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Route 9 : 4/14/2021 7:08 pm : link
In comment 15221000 pjcas18 said:
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my buddies used to get in raging battles about best 80's rock albumn AC DC Back in Black and Guns 'n Roses Appetite for Destruction.

they were like opposite sides of the decade and just represented different eras of our life, I was 8 or 9 when Back in Black came out and 16 or so with Appetite so you just relate differently.

but none of the Weezer/Blink/littany of bands like them came close to that level of rock icons.

but to my point before they were still fun.


I do like Nirvana. I do like Guns N Roses. I'd say I would gravitate more towards the AC DC and Guns N Roses Metallica type of music over 90s alt-rock. It's just music and those bands can be annoying as well.

My friends and I did listen to Limp Bizkit but I never took it seriously. I did like Linkin Park but my appreciation for them is top-heavy in their first album. Meteora was a disappointing album it was just boring? Every album since just declined in production quality.
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Route 9 : 4/14/2021 7:12 pm : link
They all jumped ship to Florida or Pennsylvania awhile ago. I think one is still local and into the booze a bit much.
Another  
pjcas18 : 4/14/2021 7:26 pm : link
"punk" band I like is the Interrupters.

Aimee Allen (AKA Aimee Interrupter) is easy on the eyes even as she emulates Joan Jett, and they're more ska than punk, but punk is broad and hence they are classified as "ska punk"

I was a massive Mighty Mighty Bosstones fan in the late 80's early 90's and they bring back that scene a little.
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christian : 4/14/2021 8:20 pm : link
I always grouped early Weezer with bands like Nuetral Milk Hotel, Pavement, Built to Spill and the later stuff who knows where as it got more pop.

I think the first three records are high quality. The production on the two Ric Ocasek records is awesome, and the song writing on Pinkerton is enjoyable.

It’s a bummer Matt Sharp left after two records. He’s an underrated songwriter and there’s a bunch of good Rentals stuff.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 10:38 pm : link
In comment 15221089 christian said:
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I always grouped early Weezer with bands like Nuetral Milk Hotel, Pavement, Built to Spill and the later stuff who knows where as it got more pop.

I think the first three records are high quality. The production on the two Ric Ocasek records is awesome, and the song writing on Pinkerton is enjoyable.

It’s a bummer Matt Sharp left after two records. He’s an underrated songwriter and there’s a bunch of good Rentals stuff.
That's a pretty interesting take, and something I wouldn't be privy to, as I was very young when the Blue album came out. But it makes total sense, I can see how Weezer straddled the line between Built to Spill style indie and Power Pop, and then went way more in a power-pop/pop punk direction after the commercial failure of Pinkerton. Ric Ocasek is also a great producer (RIP) - I had no idea he was as old as he was, I was shocked when he died to find out that he was like 80.

It almost feels like like Rivers made an attempt at going the Pavement direction with Pinkerton, found it didn't work, Matt Sharp left, and it then did a 180 and went full pop with Green Album (songs like Hash Pipe and Island in the Sun, compared to No Other One? You can hear the Pavement in one and the lack of it in the other).

Matt Sharp was definitely a bit of the "secret sauce". Great songwriter, and while I wouldn't say I know too too much of the Rentals besides the album with Friends of P, you can hear the difference pretty clearly when it comes to him leaving Weezer.

Rivers was always into that glam type shit though, he even references KISS in In the Garage, so maybe Matt Sharp was a bit of a counterbalance to that.

Side note, Rivers song exploder (where artists breakdown their songwriting process) is really fucking interesting. Dude has a spreadsheet based system for capturing ideas, lol.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/14/2021 10:39 pm : link
It's only around 15 minutes, and definitely an interesting listen.
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christian : 4/14/2021 11:29 pm : link
Lost in Alphaville is really quality record, if you’re looking for more Matt Sharp. It’s a really catchy record, a little Mates of Sate meets early Weezer, meets prog.

As far as Cuomo and later Weezer, I’ve never really begrudged the guy or been down on the pop records. Sometimes success doesn’t completely destroy a guy, and the second act isn’t dark as shit.
Built to Spill....huh  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2021 12:05 am : link
There's a name I haven't heard in a very long time. I remember nothing about them, but I know that at some point in my younger days I really disliked them.

One thing that was really funny in retrospect was the intense, and I do mean intense, antipathy between punk and metal guys. It was only when I got into my late 20s/early 30s that I was finally able to embrace my inner metalhead and openly listen to Slayer and Megadeth and Pantera. That sort of thing just wasn't done if you were a punk/indie guy in the '90s. Metal was for meatheads, the real life versions of Beavis and Butthead. Motorhead was OK,but that was about it.
I viewed  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 8:48 am : link
Weezer as "nerd rock" and I think Rivers embraced that.

After the Blue album and Pinkerton I think he just said I'm going to make millions and I don't give a F. I really believe his entire career since has been one big middle finger to everyone.

If you give the success of Blue and Pinkerton to Sharp, how do you explain the Rentals lack of success? Friends of P, The Love I'm Searching For and Summer Girl (which are great by the way), but that's it?

Doesn't make sense.

If you ever listen to the words of "I am the Greatest Man that Ever Lived" by Weezer you can sense the irony.


And I think if Weezer tried to be another band (I don't think they did) it would be more like they tried to be Green Day than Pavement - and Pavement is another band I liked and maybe even fit the "nerd rock" label.
RE: I viewed  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 8:55 am : link
In comment 15221414 pjcas18 said:
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Weezer as "nerd rock" and I think Rivers embraced that.

After the Blue album and Pinkerton I think he just said I'm going to make millions and I don't give a F. I really believe his entire career since has been one big middle finger to everyone.

If you give the success of Blue and Pinkerton to Sharp, how do you explain the Rentals lack of success? Friends of P, The Love I'm Searching For and Summer Girl (which are great by the way), but that's it?

Doesn't make sense.

If you ever listen to the words of "I am the Greatest Man that Ever Lived" by Weezer you can sense the irony.


And I think if Weezer tried to be another band (I don't think they did) it would be more like they tried to be Green Day than Pavement - and Pavement is another band I liked and maybe even fit the "nerd rock" label.
I don't attribute Weezer's success to Sharp, I just think they were a good songwriting combo and he was there for Weezer's best albums.

Aside from that though, there are plenty of reasons artist could get popular and another might not, especially in the 90s when things were driven by album sales.

And Greg, that's what happens when people have to buy albums and pay for their music as opposed to finding it online or getting it from a streaming service. You identify with the music more as a subculture.
RE: Dinosaur Jr?  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 9:14 am : link
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was anyone in the grunge era more talented than J Mascis?

Dave Grohl? if that, and is that it?

I say grunge era because Dinosaur Jr, weren't traditional grunge, but had some similarities, they were probably one of the first alternative bands (besides the Pixies of course who were alternative and didn't know it).

I think the worst thing that can be said about the grunge era is it directly or indirectly birthed emo and pop-punk, but some of those bands were fun too, even if not technically great.

Did you see that advertisement from the local car dealer about J Mascis buying a VW Golf? I thought is was fake but it's not.
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christian : 4/15/2021 9:26 am : link
I agree, I think the records Sharp was on were much better, independent of success.

I saw this quote reading a review of the Rentals last night which captures my view of Weezer perfectly.

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It’s hard to think of another band that has so eagerly created such a chasm between what they first presented themselves to be (in Weezer’s case, a Pavement that could sell records) and what they turned out to be (a Smash Mouth that sold even more).

Tom Delonge  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 9:28 am : link
isn't in Blink-182 anymore. He was replaced a while ago by Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio. I think they are working on a new album.
RE: Tom Delonge  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 9:32 am : link
In comment 15221477 Pete in MD said:
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isn't in Blink-182 anymore. He was replaced a while ago by Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio. I think they are working on a new album.
The new Blink is so meh though.

Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?
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Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment 15221481 Bear vs Shark said:
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isn't in Blink-182 anymore. He was replaced a while ago by Matt Skiba from Alkaline Trio. I think they are working on a new album.

The new Blink is so meh though.

Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?

This is going to sound cliched but I liked some of their early stuff. After Dude Ranch they became too silly IMO. They were always a little silly but it was too much for me.
I don't think it's cliched Pete  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 10:13 am : link
I think it's based on reality and just my spin on music/artists in general.

these people live their lives and have experiences - emotional, literal, whatever - they experience love, lust, anguish, whatever.

and as artists do they create content based on those life experiences.

So, if people are being honest Cheshire Cat by Blink-182 is a damn good debut, and Weezer blue is as well.

What then happens is in some cases the artist has used up their best and most emotive experiences to create that art and need to try and duplicate it.

It's rare for an artist to be able to repeat that and often what happens is like the movie multiplicity with Michael Keaton, each clone of the original is missing something else from the original.

which is what separates the all time greats who consistently reinvent themselves and produce high quality contents for years or decades from those artists where you say "I liked their early stuff"

of course there are anomalies and outliers. Some bands don't hit their stride right away (figure out what they are or want to be) so maybe release #1 wasn't the best (Radiohead for example - though I loved Pablo Honey - even more than their later stuff, but I'm unique with that opinion)

anyway, just my opinion about things I've observed from tons of bands over decades of listening to music.
RE: I don't think it's cliched Pete  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15221562 pjcas18 said:
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I think it's based on reality and just my spin on music/artists in general.

these people live their lives and have experiences - emotional, literal, whatever - they experience love, lust, anguish, whatever.

and as artists do they create content based on those life experiences.

So, if people are being honest Cheshire Cat by Blink-182 is a damn good debut, and Weezer blue is as well.

What then happens is in some cases the artist has used up their best and most emotive experiences to create that art and need to try and duplicate it.

It's rare for an artist to be able to repeat that and often what happens is like the movie multiplicity with Michael Keaton, each clone of the original is missing something else from the original.

which is what separates the all time greats who consistently reinvent themselves and produce high quality contents for years or decades from those artists where you say "I liked their early stuff"

of course there are anomalies and outliers. Some bands don't hit their stride right away (figure out what they are or want to be) so maybe release #1 wasn't the best (Radiohead for example - though I loved Pablo Honey - even more than their later stuff, but I'm unique with that opinion)

anyway, just my opinion about things I've observed from tons of bands over decades of listening to music.
There's an old saying -- you have your whole life to write your first album, and two years to write your next one.
Those are  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 10:56 am : link
valid points. It's the "art from adversity" concept. When they make it big and are sipping Dom and banging supermodels, it's probably hard to wright good punk song.
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pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15221643 Pete in MD said:
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valid points. It's the "art from adversity" concept. When they make it big and are sipping Dom and banging supermodels, it's probably hard to wright good punk song.


There is a Strummer documentary (The Future is Unwritten -or something like that) - he hated what he became - in fact the Clash as a band struggled with success - many artists do.

not comparing Weezer or Blink 182 to the Clash (lol), but same concept.

Yup,  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 11:07 am : link
I've seen it. Every time I sit around a campfire and BS with friends I think of that movie.
RE: RE: Tom Delonge  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2021 11:11 am : link
In comment 15221481 Bear vs Shark said:
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Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?


In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.
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pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15221673 Greg from LI said:
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Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?



In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.


A lot of overlap except I can't really explain why - I'm not sure there is a rational reason but i hated Soundgarden.

Maybe because Black Hole Sun was played on WPLR once every 45 minutes for three years or because I viewed my allegiance to Pearl Jam and that meant i had to hate Nirvana, AIC and Soundgarden, but otherwise a lot of overlap.
Though  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 11:30 am : link
I did like Rancid from that era and I know you hated them.

I also liked some of the emo punk/pop bands like the Get up Kids, the Ataris, etc.

only other band I was a huge fan of from that time frame is Social D.
The Get Up Kids  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 11:39 am : link
are still one of my favorites. I've seen them more times than I can count.

I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.
RE: The Get Up Kids  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 11:42 am : link
In comment 15221734 Pete in MD said:
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are still one of my favorites. I've seen them more times than I can count.

I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.
GET UP KIDS!! Were you also into Sunny Day Real Estate, Piebald (a little later of a band) or Promise Ring?

And yeah, Fugazi is incredible. My 8th grade teacher gave me a burned copy of 13 Songs which had a huge impact on me.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 11:45 am : link
In comment 15221673 Greg from LI said:
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Greg, re-reading your post, so you were one of the punk dudes? I know a lot about what you hated growing up lol but what did you like?



In high school, I was very into Nirvana, Helmet, Fugazi, Jawbox, Alice in Chains, Soundgarden, Primus. Punk was more in college - Ramones, Misfits, Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Fear, Descendents, Bad Religion,Minutemen, Bad Brains, Guttermouth, Screeching Weasel, etc.
Oh dope, yeah we like a lot of the same music. Remember what I was saying about bands like Blink being a gateway drug type thing? They were a gateway to a lot of the punk (and eventually hardcore) bands I got into. A lot of the bands you mentioned, plus MDC, early Anti-Flag, Mr T Experience, the Queers.

Out of those bands you mentioned though, personally, my favorites (other than Nirvana) are Helmet, Jawbox, Fugazi, and Soundgarden. Good shit man.
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Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15221711 pjcas18 said:
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I did like Rancid from that era and I know you hated them.

I also liked some of the emo punk/pop bands like the Get up Kids, the Ataris, etc.

only other band I was a huge fan of from that time frame is Social D.
When I worked at Guitar Center, the main dude from the Ataris came in and gave me a whole bunch of free signed CDs. He was a pretty cool dude.

There was a really big pop punk revival around 2009-2014, and you'd probably be into some of those bands. Other than Title Fight who I've mentioned before, there's Daggermouth, the Wonder Years, the Story So Far. You should check some of it out. If you were into those bands back then though, you ever check out Saves the Day from that era?
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Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 11:52 am : link
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are still one of my favorites. I've seen them more times than I can count.

I also worshiped Minor Threat and Fugazi as a teenager and now my brother lives around the corner from Ian. They chat at block parties and community events. My brother is the neighborhood representative.

GET UP KIDS!! Were you also into Sunny Day Real Estate, Piebald (a little later of a band) or Promise Ring?

And yeah, Fugazi is incredible. My 8th grade teacher gave me a burned copy of 13 Songs which had a huge impact on me.

Promise Ring definitely. Sunny Day to a lesser extent but they kind of invented that genre. I never really listened to Piebald. We called it Emo in the late '90s, early 2000's but Emo became something else later on.
I didn't hate Rancid  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2021 11:56 am : link
Liked their first two albums a lot. Didn't like what they put out after that, though.

And I can't believe I left out Social Distortion - I even have a Social Distortion tattoo from way back when.
Never really listened to the Ataris  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2021 11:57 am : link
Though I did see them open for the Vandals one time.
I didn't  
Pete in MD : 4/15/2021 12:06 pm : link
hate it when Rancid got into the ska/reggae stuff for a few albums. It was sort of getting back to their Operation Ivy roots but more polished. They're now back to straight punk rock again and it's pretty unoriginal IMO.
RE: Never really listened to the Ataris  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 12:58 pm : link
In comment 15221771 Greg from LI said:
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Though I did see them open for the Vandals one time.


Some decent songs, sort of in the emo punk genre with get up kids, simple plan, A new found glory, taking back sunday, saves the day, etc.

Ataris did a cover of Don Henly Boys of Summer they had soem good decent stuff.

hey kid is my favorite song by them,
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If Greg hates Blink  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 1:28 pm : link
I think he'd hate Simple Plan and the Ataris also. Simple Plan might have been the poppiest out of all of those bands.
RE: If Greg hates Blink  
pjcas18 : 4/15/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15221899 Bear vs Shark said:
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I think he'd hate Simple Plan and the Ataris also. Simple Plan might have been the poppiest out of all of those bands.


definitely and the singer sounds like a little kid, ironically in that song "I'm just a kid"
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Route 9 : 4/15/2021 1:38 pm : link
Oh yeah. I completely forgot about Simple Plan. They were more of a pop/"punk" band with emo lyrics, right?

I think Greg is a bit older than I am, just judging by his posts about music.
I'm 44  
Greg from LI : 4/15/2021 4:43 pm : link
going on 13
I don't know whether UConn is still on the thread  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 4/15/2021 5:42 pm : link
but we are coming up to 20 years of Incubus' Morning View. Maybe they can get a small tour started in the fall. That I would attend.
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Route 9 : 4/15/2021 5:55 pm : link
Boys/men of the 80s and 90s, I think this was one of the better threads on here in a long, long time.
RE: I'm 44  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15222112 Greg from LI said:
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going on 13
Holy shit. I was trying to guess your age based on the bands you liked in my head, and I came up with "Born in 77". Damn, wish I posted it so I wasn't lamely expressing my surprise that I was right after the fact.
RE: I don't know whether UConn is still on the thread  
Bear vs Shark : 4/15/2021 6:14 pm : link
In comment 15222191 Bobby Humphrey's Earpad said:
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but we are coming up to 20 years of Incubus' Morning View. Maybe they can get a small tour started in the fall. That I would attend.
Incubus is great live. I think they're one of the most underappreciated bands of the 90s. Everything from Science to A Crow Left of The Murder was top notch, and Light Grenades wasn't really bad either.
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Route 9 : 4/15/2021 6:34 pm : link
Really? I always thought Incubus was way overplayed. Then again, nearly every single one of these bands mentioned on this thread is looked at as overplayed. Maybe it was my location and the DJs had quite the fondness for Incubus but they really kept rolling out those songs from 1998-1999 into 2001-2002.

Oh yeah. Another one of those bands that's awful in the Blink/Weezer lump is Fall Out Boy. I might even have to go ahead and put Maroon 5 above all of them. Lol.
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