Is it me or has the QB draft market gone crazy? Unless this is the best all time QB class…. some teams are making very large mistakes.
Sirius NFL radio was praising SF????? Giving up 2 extra 1st and 3rd for the 3rd QB taken in the draft…. what am I missing? Now, there is talk of Washington giving up all their draft picks for the 4th/5th QB……lets be thankful.
I have no idea yet if Daniel Jones will be the Giants franchise QB…but as a prospect…. he is as good or better than most of these guys. Kudos to the Chargers, Giants and even Miami to find their young QBs without this frenzy.
Speaking of Daniel Jones, I am all for adding targets for Jones and more OL help and this is a great draft for both WRs and OL. if its me.... in the 1st RD…
What qualifies an Edge? Or better yet, what makes a DE or OLB an edge? Do they just specialize in rushing the passer? I do not think the Giants are looking for a DE “Edge” …. their DEs are Williams and Lawrence.
So for the Giants, it is an OLB who rushes the passer…but ideally one that does more then that…. I think I understand what Graham defense wants to do…..confuse, cover and attack. We keep hearing “Multiple”.
If qualified as such….imo, the best EDGE in this class and the only “blue chip” defensive player is Micah Parsons. I can not put him in the LT class…..but this guy is an animal. I know…. he has anger issue (but what is wrong with that? So did LT). I might be reading this all wrong…..but here is my thought.
Micah would not reach the Giants at 11 ( the same as his hand size)….if not for mysterious “character issues” and Opt-out in my opinion. My understanding it was a hazing incident that went too far…..and if you understand Penn St these days…..it is hyper-sensitive to any negative news (Understandably) and he opted out because it and unfortunately, the Penn St, defense went with him.
He might be a handful as Coach Chaos said…but well worth it. I believe Parson could be the final piece to that defense……bringing back the glory days.
The Giants sent a large contingent to Penn St…word leaked out, it’s for “Oweh, not Parsons”. Come on? Really….. felt like smoke.
I might be totally off base…..it would not surprise me one bit if the Giants draft Micah Parson. BBI and the Giants fans will fall in love with his game. ILB, OLB or Edge, he will fit anywhere, just like Graham likes 😊.
I know many want a TOP WR or OL…..and I do not claim to be an expert but there are plenty of interesting players throughout draft that can be had. I wouldn’t be surprised a TE get chosen earlier, as that pool dries up much quicker.
I love what Sy brings to BBI and Thank you. For additional information and cross reference, the Beast by Dane Brugler in the Athletic is an amazing draft guide.
The Jets missed bad on Darnold and missed even worse on Gase? Guess what. They're positioned pretty nicely right now only 3 years later. Could history repeat itself and see them bottom out? Sure. But their new GM has them in position to empty the chamber and make a run if they just get one draft pick right. It's a tough one to get right for sure but the upside is tremendous when you do.
Outside of Lawrence....who has been tauted for years....as the next Elway etc....so I get it...still not a given. The kid played with an NFL roster vs college kids...but I can understand him going 1
all the others...seems to be manifasations in a covid riddled year....
call me skeptical....
Does anyone believe there are 6 franchise QBs in this draft? 5? 4?
See my comment to Eric above; but if you wait until you get a shot at a great prospect you could end up waiting forever!!
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does not need an "ER/Pass Rush" type player. He just needs playmakers. He is brilliant in his designs and can scheme a pass rush. Keeping the QB from escaping the pocket and manufacturing a play is what the Giants need - no more 5 to 7 second scrambles allowing WRs to come free. Keep the QB bottled and converge.
All my opinion.
I’ll play devil’s advocate here: I watched quarterbacks like Kyler Murray and Baker Mayfield pick the Giants apart from the pocket when the Giants were playing contain. If the edge and defensive tackles aren’t getting in the quarterback’s face because they’re keeping themselves out of the pocket, how can the defensive backs hope to keep the receivers covered?
Because Murray and Mayfield broke contain? You proved my point. They did not make their plays from the pocket very often. They made their plays scrambling. When contained, like they did for the most part against Russell Wilson, shortish QBs have trouble seeing open players.
The Giants have added some players that are better getting to the QB than what they had last year(i.e., Anderson and Odenigbo).
I am not "agin" a pass rush specialist, but question if that would be a significant upgrade to what they have now from the #11 slot.
We would all love an Osi Umenyoura type with a bit better run defense. Is that player there?
They didn't break contain. They picked us apart from the pocket.
Ok then....
Especially if they're desperate for one - like the 49ers.
100% agree with this point. How certain are we that Daniel Jones is the next Eli and not the next Sam Darnold or Mitch Trubisky? Gettleman is convinced because his job depends on it, but I want Daniel Jones to show us he is the franchise QB and not just take Mara's word for it.
The Jets are absolutely doing the right thing with Darnold/Wilson and it has just as much to do with the contract than the players. Darnold may turn it around although the odds are dwindling for him. Even if he does? You're paying him a mega contract in 2 years time while you are still trying to build the roster around him. Where is the upside? As of right now, you have a brand new coaching staff and are sitting at a spot with a great QB prospect that does not require a trade up. Roll the dice with Wilson and if you hit? You've got him locked in for 4-5 years at a discount with a bevvy of picks and a full chamber in cap money to spend.
Exactly. The Jets aren't crazy to do what they're gonna do. It's logical.
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.....I am just not sure THIS CLASS is the next coming of QB royalty.
Outside of Lawrence....who has been tauted for years....as the next Elway etc....so I get it...still not a given. The kid played with an NFL roster vs college kids...but I can understand him going 1
all the others...seems to be manifasations in a covid riddled year....
call me skeptical....
Does anyone believe there are 6 franchise QBs in this draft? 5? 4?
See my comment to Eric above; but if you wait until you get a shot at a great prospect you could end up waiting forever!!
I think the new scoring league has magnified the importance of the QB position abit.
That isn't Parsons' best quality
I like some of things I see....feel he is a tick slow to decide that must be solved.
Very important year.
I don't want to have to worry about a 1st round pick, enough with that already, we had it with Flowers, Apple, Baker, etc. time to move on from that. get a football player who is football 100% of the time, loves the game, is a great kid, great athlete, and has zero issues off the field...with our 1st round pick we need a guy like that if we want to become the team we wanna be
But when they send him after the QB....the QB always gets hit very hard. He is a missile... lightning quick and strong.
He has biggest hands...strong heavy paws.... powerful.... He is bigger and faster then the Georgia kid that plays edge.
Micah Parsons:
6ft 3", 246lbs, 11" hands / 4.39 40 / 19 bench / 10-6 broad
2019 stats: 13 games, 109 tackles (52 solo), 5 sacks, 14.0 tackles for loss, 4 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 5 passes defensed (opted out of 2020 season)
Azeez Ojulari:
6ft 2", 249lbs, 10.5" hands / 4.62 40 / 26 bench / 10-7 broad
2020 stats: 10 games, 31 tackles (22 solo), 9.5 sacks, 12.5 tackles for loss, 4 forced fumbles, 1 fumble recovery, 2 passes defensed
Parsons says he needs people to keep him in line
I'd want Paye on my team, not Parsons
the Jets are crazy to trade Sam and take one of those QBs -- just shows you how bad that FO really is -- while I am not a Darnold fan - I think you try to surround him with the tools he needs and make it work over bringing in a QB that is a lesser talent
gidie I agree. I'm probably higher on Darnold than most. I think out of NY and the Jets to the Panthers could be a good move for him. But I think Jones has shown as much if not more than Darnold and has just as good a chance of being a franchise QB as Darnold. Time will tell. The injuries and Mono certainly hasn't helped Darnold's career and his ghost comment caught on TV but I still think the talent is there. I doubt the Giants would have given up on him this quick. But other than Lawrence I'm not sure I'd take any of the other QB's over Jones or Darnold.
The Jets missed bad on Darnold and missed even worse on Gase? Guess what. They're positioned pretty nicely right now only 3 years later. Could history repeat itself and see them bottom out? Sure. But their new GM has them in position to empty the chamber and make a run if they just get one draft pick right. It's a tough one to get right for sure but the upside is tremendous when you do.
Good post.
And same goes for what he can and can not do....
I just think it is odd.... That the "noise" coming out of the Giants seems to be distancing themselves from Parson.
....it could be true concerns.
Or
It could be smoke....assuring them of falling to him.
Agree and would good if he were the pick.
If Parsons is the pick then I would assume Judge / Sean Spencer used their Penn State connections to eliminate any behavioral concerns.
he is down right explosive when you watch him but I am concerned that his character issues seem to be an issue
FWIW my cousin played basketball at Penn State and his two closest friends (and roommates) are football players and they really don't like Parsons. Apparently most of the team really dislikes him. From what he told me, they all feel he's an arrogant, selfish prick.
Like I said though, take it FWIW - it's not some huge red flag or anything so maybe it's not worth much. Plus maybe he just was (or is) immature and will grow out of it in the NFL being around older, accomplished guys where he's not the star of the show.
I like him...I follow Penn St....he is a stud....not choir boy.
I think you're right.
I think that two players the Giants could be staring at with pick #11 are D. Smith and K. Paye.
I like them both - but I think BBI overates D. Smith a tad and underates K. Paye a lot.
Outside of Lawrence....who has been tauted for years....as the next Elway etc....so I get it...still not a given. The kid played with an NFL roster vs college kids...but I can understand him going 1
all the others...seems to be manifasations in a covid riddled year....
call me skeptical....
Does anyone believe there are 6 franchise QBs in this draft? 5? 4?
I believe the trend is going to continue to be draft a QB with a high pick, give him 3 years, and he's either the guy or the team goes shopping again. At least until sometime in the CBA or rules changes.
The NFL is all about parity, and the QB is the position that can give one team a relatively large advantage over another.
I'm a big Formula 1 fan, and teams spend millions on parts development trying to find .001 seconds over their competition. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but they always keep upgrading the cars. In the NFL getting the right QB is like getting a .010 second upgrade, and teams are going to keep trying until they get that
I like him...I follow Penn St....he is a stud....not choir boy.
George, yep...fair enough. he's an immense talent that's for sure
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Paye will be.
I think you're right.
I think that two players the Giants could be staring at with pick #11 are D. Smith and K. Paye.
I like them both - but I think BBI overates D. Smith a tad and underates K. Paye a lot.
I'm trying to get a read on the two Miami prospects, and if they're ahead of Ojulari. Suspect they are.
Outside of Lawrence....who has been tauted for years....as the next Elway etc....so I get it...still not a given. The kid played with an NFL roster vs college kids...but I can understand him going 1
FWIW, Fields and Lawrence battled for the top spot as the BEST overall recruit in the 2018 class. Depending on the recruiting service, one or the other ended up #1. So Fields has had top pedigree since high school as well and has been touted for a long time. He just got the short end of the stick at Georgia because Smart ended up having too much loyalty to the overrated Jake Fromm. And after he arrived at Ohio State, Fields clearly proved Smart made the wrong move.
Outside of being a three inches taller, there is NOTHING Lawrence can do on the football field that Fields can't do.
And he absolutely proved it when he completely outplayed Lawrence in the semis this year in the F4. It wasn't particularly close who the best QB was on the field that night.
So it's a bit misleading to act like only Lawrence has been this big prize.
Fair or not....Having too good a team around you....hurts QBs.
As I would look pretty good with a 5min clean pocket...and NFL receivers running away from future accountants.
I can understand the value that Chase and Smith bring and would not be upset at either of these picks. While not sexy, Sewell and Slater would not be terrible picks either as they should be good long term investments for this team. Pitts and Waddle scare me as higher risk propositions this high in the draft. And this year's crop of edge defenders are simply not good value at eleven.
Assuming four or five quarterbacks are taken in the top ten, the Giants are assured of getting one of these seven players - Parsons, Surtain, Horn, Chase, Smith, Sewell or Slater. There is absolutely no reason to take any other player at eleven. If they can trade back and get additional day two pick(s) to select an edge rusher or other player, then so be it.
But the Giants need to draft the best available talent this year on day one and day two. Please hold off on solving needs until day three and UDFA when there will be plenty of options available to do so.
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Eric, this is going to sound sarcastic but its not. Given the Jets history drafting and grooming quarterbacks its probably somewhere around 95% certain we'll be having this conversation in 2024.
I also don't get the excitement about drafting a guy who can make all these "splash" throws when they already had someone in the building that could do the same thing. A big part of it is on the player, but a portion is on the franchise to develop them and the Jets just can't do that.
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Paye will be.
I think you're right.
I think that two players the Giants could be staring at with pick #11 are D. Smith and K. Paye.
I like them both - but I think BBI overates D. Smith a tad and underates K. Paye a lot.
Completely agree.
BBI also overrates "getting home," with regards to prospects and sacks. Paye was on a bad defense and led in pressures by over 300% vs. UMs #2 guy.
I still like Parsons but have warmed to Paye. My concern with him is fit. If JJ and Graham make the pick, I'mm all in.
Character issues have unequivocally already been adjudicated by Judge - especially given Barkley connection with James Franklin and other coaching connections. Parsons is either the top defender on the Giants board right now or off the board completely.
And same goes for what he can and can not do....
I just think it is odd.... That the "noise" coming out of the Giants seems to be distancing themselves from Parson.
....it could be true concerns.
Or
It could be smoke....assuring them of falling to him.
That is why I will be fine if they either pick or pass on Parsons. They know him well. Much better than BBI does. I don't think they will pick him if they think he will be a problem.
Paye is risky at eleven in the draft, not as an NFL player. No problem trading back. Agree that Parson's character issues are a potential risk, but putting those aside, his talent and leadership currently dwarf that of Paye. So Parsons to me has a much higher floor than Paye. Certainly, Paye might have a very high ceiling in terms of potential, but that to me is the definition of a late first rounder.
To me, there are better values to be had from numerous second round LB/Edge guys than even trading back and taking Paye late in the first round. Guys like Nick Bolton, Zaven Collins, Jason Oweh and Joe Tryon to name a few.
Caleb Farley shouldn’t be on the Giants’ draft board. Have you looked at his injury history? I doubt his body is built to play football.
JonC’s comments about Parsons are really interesting. I took the insider posts here to mean that Parson’s fight with his teammate was just the tip of the iceberg and continue to believe he isn’t on the Giants board. But maybe the team is continuing to look at PSU tape?
Completely agree.
BBI also overrates "getting home," with regards to prospects and sacks. Paye was on a bad defense and led in pressures by over 300% vs. UMs #2 guy.
Do you know what Paye is? A player with warning track power. He doesn't hit enough home runs for his position. He's Mr. Almost.
We should want players who have shown an ability to finish plays and get the QB to the ground with the football. Do you want to watch a game and say, "Wow, Paye almost got Dak down! What a play!"
This guy is the pick if he is there.
He played a ton of Edge rusher in High School and was recruited to play that for PSU but was moved to LB out of need. He used to also be a RB in high school so he has ball skills.
Paye is a thick, strong guy that IMO does not fit our Edge requirement. Ojulari is a better fit for Edge, but Parsons could do everything including cover and run and chase.
NYG will have enough info on him and has a direct connection with Coach Chaos. If he is there he should be the pick.
This guy is the pick if he is there.
He played a ton of Edge rusher in High School and was recruited to play that for PSU but was moved to LB out of need. He used to also be a RB in high school so he has ball skills.
Paye is a thick, strong guy that IMO does not fit our Edge requirement. Ojulari is a better fit for Edge, but Parsons could do everything including cover and run and chase.
NYG will have enough info on him and has a direct connection with Coach Chaos. If he is there he should be the pick.
no offense, but there are tons of athletes like Parsons who enter the draft every year. this isn't some unicorn type prospect. and there are legit concerns with him. he's not a "he's the pick if he's there" type of guy IMV
NYG will have enough info on him and has a direct connection with Coach Chaos. If he is there he should be the pick.
Right, and Rico and some other asshats have said it's a "no" on Parsons. so...what does that tell you? just because we have a connection doesn't mean we are automatically drafting the guy, in fact if we don't draft him, that actually tells you what we need to know about Parsons