Is it me or has the QB draft market gone crazy? Unless this is the best all time QB class…. some teams are making very large mistakes.
Sirius NFL radio was praising SF????? Giving up 2 extra 1st and 3rd for the 3rd QB taken in the draft…. what am I missing? Now, there is talk of Washington giving up all their draft picks for the 4th/5th QB……lets be thankful.
I have no idea yet if Daniel Jones will be the Giants franchise QB…but as a prospect…. he is as good or better than most of these guys. Kudos to the Chargers, Giants and even Miami to find their young QBs without this frenzy.
Speaking of Daniel Jones, I am all for adding targets for Jones and more OL help and this is a great draft for both WRs and OL. if its me.... in the 1st RD…
What qualifies an Edge? Or better yet, what makes a DE or OLB an edge? Do they just specialize in rushing the passer? I do not think the Giants are looking for a DE “Edge” …. their DEs are Williams and Lawrence.
So for the Giants, it is an OLB who rushes the passer…but ideally one that does more then that…. I think I understand what Graham defense wants to do…..confuse, cover and attack. We keep hearing “Multiple”.
If qualified as such….imo, the best EDGE in this class and the only “blue chip” defensive player is Micah Parsons. I can not put him in the LT class…..but this guy is an animal. I know…. he has anger issue (but what is wrong with that? So did LT). I might be reading this all wrong…..but here is my thought.
Micah would not reach the Giants at 11 ( the same as his hand size)….if not for mysterious “character issues” and Opt-out in my opinion. My understanding it was a hazing incident that went too far…..and if you understand Penn St these days…..it is hyper-sensitive to any negative news (Understandably) and he opted out because it and unfortunately, the Penn St, defense went with him.
He might be a handful as Coach Chaos said…but well worth it. I believe Parson could be the final piece to that defense……bringing back the glory days.
The Giants sent a large contingent to Penn St…word leaked out, it’s for “Oweh, not Parsons”. Come on? Really….. felt like smoke.
I might be totally off base…..it would not surprise me one bit if the Giants draft Micah Parson. BBI and the Giants fans will fall in love with his game. ILB, OLB or Edge, he will fit anywhere, just like Graham likes 😊.
I know many want a TOP WR or OL…..and I do not claim to be an expert but there are plenty of interesting players throughout draft that can be had. I wouldn’t be surprised a TE get chosen earlier, as that pool dries up much quicker.
I love what Sy brings to BBI and Thank you. For additional information and cross reference, the Beast by Dane Brugler in the Athletic is an amazing draft guide.
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He is prototypical size with sub 4.4 speed, 6.89 3 cone.
This guy is the pick if he is there.
He played a ton of Edge rusher in High School and was recruited to play that for PSU but was moved to LB out of need. He used to also be a RB in high school so he has ball skills.
Paye is a thick, strong guy that IMO does not fit our Edge requirement. Ojulari is a better fit for Edge, but Parsons could do everything including cover and run and chase.
NYG will have enough info on him and has a direct connection with Coach Chaos. If he is there he should be the pick.
no offense, but there are tons of athletes like Parsons who enter the draft every year. this isn't some unicorn type prospect. and there are legit concerns with him. he's not a "he's the pick if he's there" type of guy IMV
If you guys truly believe pro day numbers as being the same as what the numbers would be at the combine, idk what to tell you. This is the fastest class in history by far due to no combine. Think about it. Not saying Parsons is slow but his game speed from tape did not show a sub 4.4 speed.
THose pro day numbers should merely be viewed as suggestions.
Nobody is a finished product coming out of college, sometimes it takes a year or two. But just because Paye didn't have great sack numbers in college, doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.
Look at Leonard Williams at USC - his sack numbers and TFL weren't anything special. And yet, he went 6th overall and was regarded as the best defensive prospect. It's about coaching and potential.
THe draft is awesome.
Just like all of you I am consuming everything I can about the draft. Watching, reading and listening. The mocks have reached the point of idiocy. As FMiC has pointed out, BBI’s posters are issuing versions of their mocks as if anyone fucking cares if they are 5.0 or 3.0 or any fucking point “o” .
Maddening.
I am down to coveting one of:
Smith
Waddle
Chase
Parsons
Surtain
Pitts
Sewell
My not unhappy with list includes:
Slater
Farley
Horn
Surtain
The edges have too many warts for 11 and NYG doesn’t trade back until they prove otherwise. I would only take Sewell if all the others in that group are gone. I have watched sooo many mocks. I have done mocks. There is great OL value at the top of the second round in every single one. Not hyperbole.
The QB thing isn’t this year. It is every year.
Everyone wants the next Mahomes and no one knows who that is. You just don’t. Every time a QB goes up a level of competition, no matter how successful the QB was before, they could bust.
Until a QB takes regular season NFL snaps, NONE OF US KNOW SHIT!
The NFL is such a different level of pressure and you don’t know how a person is going to handle it until the bullets are flying live. Lawrence, physically has everything and is more likely to bust than not. If I had to have one trait in a NFL QB it would be confidence. Once it’s lost, they are done. The players must have confidence in the QB and you cannot inspire that without confidence in one’s self. Mac Jones might be the best professional QB in this draft.
Tom Brady was passed on over 150 times in the draft. Mahomes did not go number one and he is the best player in the league. Teams that need a QB, overdraft them until they find one.
BECAUSE YOU NEED ONE TO COMPETE YEAR IN AND YEAR OUT.
Also GM’s
BBI has this notion that a GM does things in a vacuum. I think all NFL head coaches have significant input on the draft and free agency. We want to flog DG for everything move he made but I think the biggest criticism should be his choice of Shurmur. “Adult” was not sufficient criteria for a head coach. If I smash him for Shurmur I have to give him credit for Judge.
I want them to draft a player at 11 that the our opponents must account for with more than one player. Offense, defense, I don’t care. Once you have more than 1 on a unit, things get difficult for the opposing unit.
Players like AB and OBJ, whom we refer to as "divas", suffer from "team character" flaws. While their personal character may or may not be above reproach, they are indeed cancers that have to be avoided.
It is unclear to me at this point who Micah Parsons is. I am certain though that the Judge/Gettleman brain trust has figured this out and made their determination long ago.
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He is prototypical size with sub 4.4 speed, 6.89 3 cone.
This guy is the pick if he is there.
He played a ton of Edge rusher in High School and was recruited to play that for PSU but was moved to LB out of need. He used to also be a RB in high school so he has ball skills.
Paye is a thick, strong guy that IMO does not fit our Edge requirement. Ojulari is a better fit for Edge, but Parsons could do everything including cover and run and chase.
NYG will have enough info on him and has a direct connection with Coach Chaos. If he is there he should be the pick.
no offense, but there are tons of athletes like Parsons who enter the draft every year. this isn't some unicorn type prospect. and there are legit concerns with him. he's not a "he's the pick if he's there" type of guy IMV
Ok fine, Throw out everything I said and go watch the game video of the 2019 Cotton Bowl. The announcers thought there we 4 Micah Parsons on the field. He was MVP of the game. You have to keep in mind he has only played off ball LB for 2 years. His speed is evident. He fits our system way better than Paye.
If you don't like him that is fine. Rico has said he is off our board. Peppers has said that Coach Chaos has talked with Parsons. I am saying that kids make mistakes when they are 17-18. He is the best defensive player in the draft. We will be lucky if he is even available at pick 11. He should go top 5 but all these teams are drooling over QB's so he will drop a little.
I am not saying he is the next LT but I will remind you that when we drafted LT in 1981. we already had Brad Van Pelt, Harry Carson and Brian Kelly at LB. Nobody thought we needed LT. In fact, New Orleans passed on him for George Rodgers which I think most people were surprised.
Hmm one of the new guilty until proven innocent crowd...teams, Teammates, people and acquaintances know if there is a problem and I believe NFL teams will learn about bad issues.
Apologies ... but I live on planet earth and speak only English. I have no idea what this means,
LT wanted to kick your fucking ass every single play. You hit them, they hit back. When the other team's D make's a play the dogs want to bite back harder. I think players with that kind of "dog" brush up against "it" in society sometimes. It is a delicate balance to control. Ray Lewis was similar in mindset. Ray is my Parsons comp.
Okay, if this is the concern, I get it ... but he’s been away from the structure for almost a year and showed up ready to go on his pro day. I’m good with what JJ decides.
hey, if we draft him, i hope he becomes the next patrick willis
LT wanted to kick your fucking ass every single play. You hit them, they hit back. When the other team's D make's a play the dogs want to bite back harder. I think players with that kind of "dog" brush up against "it" in society sometimes. It is a delicate balance to control. Ray Lewis was similar in mindset. Ray is my Parsons comp.
Yes and I think that is what our defense is missing. We have a very good D Line, Martinez, a deep and talented secondary. This is why Edge rushers are being mocked to us which I totally get. Parsons can play inside or outside. He is like Hightower in New England or even Van Noy.
He is an intense player. He could elevate an improving defense.
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has some junk yard dog in him. I do like me a bit of that in my defensive players. I think the "dog" in LT is what made him great.
LT wanted to kick your fucking ass every single play. You hit them, they hit back. When the other team's D make's a play the dogs want to bite back harder. I think players with that kind of "dog" brush up against "it" in society sometimes. It is a delicate balance to control. Ray Lewis was similar in mindset. Ray is my Parsons comp.
Yes and I think that is what our defense is missing. We have a very good D Line, Martinez, a deep and talented secondary. This is why Edge rushers are being mocked to us which I totally get. Parsons can play inside or outside. He is like Hightower in New England or even Van Noy.
He is an intense player. He could elevate an improving defense.
The longer the draft season goes the more the queations pile up and for Parsons they have been piling up for 15 months.
I dont want to take a risk at 11. We are not in a strong enough position to absorb a mistake at 11. if 5 qbs go in the top 10 then we are picking from the 4 pass catchers, Surtain or Sewell. If there is a QB left the pick neess to be moved
Nobody is a finished product coming out of college, sometimes it takes a year or two. But just because Paye didn't have great sack numbers in college, doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.
Agree strongly with this. Look at guys like Chandler Jones, Cam Jordan or even Joey Bosa who had 5 sacks in 12 games his last year of college.
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they said the same thing about Rashan Gary. "he doesn't get there enough" and yet he was one of the highest graded edge players in the entire league from week 10 and beyond last year, he was getting to the QB at an alarming rate
Nobody is a finished product coming out of college, sometimes it takes a year or two. But just because Paye didn't have great sack numbers in college, doesn't mean it's going to stay that way.
Agree strongly with this. Look at guys like Chandler Jones, Cam Jordan or even Joey Bosa who had 5 sacks in 12 games his last year of college.
Maybe just a parinod feeling but this regime has known who it was picking
before the draft each of the last 3 years.
The point is sacks don't tell the whole story. Paye had 6.5 sacks in 2019 in 12 games. Over 15 games that's 8 sacks which is pretty darn good given how he was used. Hell, he had 29 pressures in 4 games this year. There aren't too many examples of guys who racked up pressures like that whose sack numbers didn't catch up. This isn't some incredibly raw prospect but one that was misused. Bosa didn't play inside at all in the year he had 13.5 sacks but he did a good amount during his junior year.
[quote] that the Giants have already earmarked their guy and arent worried about him being drafted before they pick.
Maybe just a parinod feeling but this regime has known who it was picking
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They might have,but this regime is only in it's second year.Judge is the guy pulling the strings,not Gettleman. Last year's draft had a whole different feel to it & I think we'll see the Judge influence again this draft!
i'm with ya, just get me to thursday night with a pie and some cold ones
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Bosa had 13.5 sacks in 2014. Where is that collegiate production from Paye? I will wait.
The point is sacks don't tell the whole story. Paye had 6.5 sacks in 2019 in 12 games. Over 15 games that's 8 sacks which is pretty darn good given how he was used. Hell, he had 29 pressures in 4 games this year. There aren't too many examples of guys who racked up pressures like that whose sack numbers didn't catch up. This isn't some incredibly raw prospect but one that was misused. Bosa didn't play inside at all in the year he had 13.5 sacks but he did a good amount during his junior year.
Insane Edge Rusher: Kwity Paye - ( New Window )
interesting...perhaps it's Smith and Chase for WR at 11 in that case...which is fine. i still like Waddle a lot though
Waddle will be a better PRO than many are projecting.
that sounds good to me
Someone going to a get good Value Pick.
Check out the Iowa game where he lined up against Alaric Jackson who is likely a mid round pick this year.
One NFL executive --
How can you not be excited about this kind of talent and player. We need a maniac.
You would have to add Ojulari to that list if you use that criteria.
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Completely agree.
BBI also overrates "getting home," with regards to prospects and sacks. Paye was on a bad defense and led in pressures by over 300% vs. UMs #2 guy.
Do you know what Paye is? A player with warning track power. He doesn't hit enough home runs for his position. He's Mr. Almost.
We should want players who have shown an ability to finish plays and get the QB to the ground with the football. Do you want to watch a game and say, "Wow, Paye almost got Dak down! What a play!"
I'd be pleased to say that "...that pressure on Dak forced a 4 and out and now the Giants can simply run out the clock."
Oh course we want the QB on the ground, but once again, football is a team sport. It's not baseball, golf or tennis. Individual statistics are not what make the man.
I'm not even selling Paye, I'm recognizing that fans have a hard time looking past numbers.
The Giants are distancing themselves from Parson.....which I feel is odd.
Who goes out of their way to distance?
I know Coach Chaos and Micah are close.....