K, Jones: Giants considering these players at #11:

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In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said:

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of players they are interested in. I trust Rico.

I concur. I trust Rico until he says differently. Kim Jones is known for Penn State bias, so it makes sense for her to put Parsons 1st.

but agree with those saying Jones doesn't seem especially plugged in.

In comment 15219638 nygiants16 said:

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if he is not a locker room cancer, and this defense is really scary.. He is versatile, he can play inside, he can play outside, he can cover, he can rush the passer, he can stop the run, he is a 3 down LB.. Defense becomes even more versatile..

So multiple. True amoeba defense. Can he refine LB skills? Was my day 1 favorite player for the Giants in this draft, but reports of behavior and lack of ability to play the position turned me off. Comparisons to Anthony Barr with more explosion has me drooling of a THICK, long, hard hitting defense that has a carnivorous mentality. Would be interesting if deapitie the poo pooers he is the pick. Guy has a Ray Lewis mindset.

their top row.

top row. I don’t think there’s any surprises here. I think most of us could have come up with these names on our own. The one surprise however I see is Ojulari that high and also no mention of Paye. I think there’s lots of smoke now.

Kim and Lombardo are about even

the draft fell like this or something close to it, I can definitely see why the Giants would consider Parsons at #11.

Jags: T. Lawrence
Jets: Z. Wilson
49ers: J. Fields
Atl: K. Pitts
Cinc: P. Sewell
Miami: J. Chase
Det. D. Smith
Car. R. Slater
Den: T. Lance
Dal: P. Surtain

Interesting that Kwity Paye is not on her list.

if everyone assumes it’s misdirection?

In this day and age are opposing teams really changing what they do because Kim Jones listed names of players?

But if the plan is to add a 4th round guard and pray that the OL progresses from last year I think we could be in for a long season

but why do I think the list is probably upside down?

In comment 15219689 HMunster said:

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the draft fell like this or something close to it, I can definitely see why the Giants would consider Parsons at #11. Jags: T. Lawrence Jets: Z. Wilson 49ers: J. Fields Atl: K. Pitts Cinc: P. Sewell Miami: J. Chase Det. D. Smith Car. R. Slater Den: T. Lance Dal: P. Surtain Interesting that Kwity Paye is not on her list.

Again, and I was chastised by stoned ass Milton, but the only thing being reported is that Parsons was involved in having in SOME way. Apparently according to Milton, us fans have no right for requesting elaboration. Despite my not asking for that, I find it more than just a bit telling that Parsons did something so egregious but no media will leak that info.

His agent either has very deep pockets, or something is fishy.

In comment 15219695 bw in dc said:

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but why do I think the list is probably upside down?

Well, I’d rather have Waddle than Surtain but otherwise I agree with you (on my list there’s no Slater or ojulari unless we’re picking them in the twenties)

In comment 15219691 UConn4523 said:

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if everyone assumes it’s misdirection? In this day and age are opposing teams really changing what they do because Kim Jones listed names of players?

I think it's just a general philosophy of misinformation that goes out to all media. It's all about the clickbait. Half the time the media is in on it, I think. I could see a beat reporter going to a team official and saying just give me a bunch of names so that I'm not the one making this shit up. As long as it comes from a legit source and not a ouija board, it's not considered unethical.

So good for Kim, I'm sure this got her plenty of clicks. A week from now she'll have another list for us.

literally has Ojulari #1

Nice strawman thread for the media-is-bad oldheads to feel good about. We still angry she pushed the unqualified gm to account for his bad decisions? Or that she kept talking to the best player this team has had in the last 30 years after he was traded?

"she's not credible"
"she's an idiot"
"she's not plugged in"

she's literally doing her job and we end up with threads on threads on threads of you clowns telling on yourselves. what the fuck?

I guess that’s my point, and why I don’t think it’s “misdirection”. Unless GMs are getting duped that the only misdirection that’s happening are to BBIers and their mocks.

Smoke

In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said:

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of players they are interested in. I trust Rico.

+1

In comment 15219689 HMunster said:

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the draft fell like this or something close to it, I can definitely see why the Giants would consider Parsons at #11. Jags: T. Lawrence Jets: Z. Wilson 49ers: J. Fields Atl: K. Pitts Cinc: P. Sewell Miami: J. Chase Det. D. Smith Car. R. Slater Den: T. Lance Dal: P. Surtain Interesting that Kwity Paye is not on her list.

I think Paye was on her list.

In comment 15219701 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 15219689 HMunster said: Quote: the draft fell like this or something close to it, I can definitely see why the Giants would consider Parsons at #11. Jags: T. Lawrence Jets: Z. Wilson 49ers: J. Fields Atl: K. Pitts Cinc: P. Sewell Miami: J. Chase Det. D. Smith Car. R. Slater Den: T. Lance Dal: P. Surtain Interesting that Kwity Paye is not on her list. Again, and I was chastised by stoned ass Milton, but the only thing being reported is that Parsons was involved in having in SOME way. Apparently according to Milton, us fans have no right for requesting elaboration. Despite my not asking for that, I find it more than just a bit telling that Parsons did something so egregious but no media will leak that info. His agent either has very deep pockets, or something is fishy.

There was a report of him hazing right? And some pretty intense stuff no? There's always a few guys like that in football lockerrooms and they make things way worse. When it gets to that point it's certainly not isolated behavior. Can he grow up? Possibly, but it's against him being a first round draft pick. I'd rather have the LT's of the world.

That being said Parsons is a solid fit for the defense as its currently constructed and what Graham wants to do and I trust Judge in this aspect, especially since we've purged the locker room at this point. But a lot like the Deandre Baker pick, I think it sends the wrong message.

Not sure why some are missing

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As mentioned on @NFLTotalAccess, I confirmed today that these 6 are AMONG the players the #NYG are considering w/the 11th overall pick: Azeez Ojulari, GA, edge Micah Parstons, PSU, LB Kwity Paye, Mich, edge Rashawn Slater, NU, T Patrick Surtain, Ala, CB Jaylen Waddle, Ala, WR

In comment 15219721 kelsto811 said:

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Not sure why some are missing Quote: As mentioned on @NFLTotalAccess, I confirmed today that these 6 are AMONG the players the #NYG are considering w/the 11th overall pick: Azeez Ojulari, GA, edge Micah Parstons, PSU, LB Kwity Paye, Mich, edge Rashawn Slater, NU, T Patrick Surtain, Ala, CB Jaylen Waddle, Ala, WR

I should say only 1 was missing. I realize this must have been from total access and not the tweet

The Giants staff better do their homework if he is on their radar.

In comment 15219647 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: of players they are interested in. I trust Rico. One word: misdirection.

What did Rico say? I must have missed that thread.

“Here are 6 players tied to the Giants that all seem to be consensus top 15 picks”

Man she really fell off a cliff

In comment 15219728 Bergen346 said:

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In comment 15219647 Angel Eyes said: Quote: In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: of players they are interested in. I trust Rico. One word: misdirection. What did Rico say? I must have missed that thread.

Rico said Giants have already removed Parsons from the board. Not interested.

In comment 15219744 BeckShepEli said:

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In comment 15219728 Bergen346 said: Quote: In comment 15219647 Angel Eyes said: Quote: In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: of players they are interested in. I trust Rico. One word: misdirection. What did Rico say? I must have missed that thread. Rico said Giants have already removed Parsons from the board. Not interested.

Very helpful, thank you.

In comment 15219725 kelsto811 said:

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In comment 15219721 kelsto811 said: Quote: Not sure why some are missing Quote: As mentioned on @NFLTotalAccess, I confirmed today that these 6 are AMONG the players the #NYG are considering w/the 11th overall pick: Azeez Ojulari, GA, edge Micah Parstons, PSU, LB Kwity Paye, Mich, edge Rashawn Slater, NU, T Patrick Surtain, Ala, CB Jaylen Waddle, Ala, WR I should say only 1 was missing. I realize this must have been from total access and not the tweet

Thanks. Paye wasn't listed in the OP comment. That threw me off and I didn't see her tweet.

In comment 15219728 Bergen346 said:

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In comment 15219647 Angel Eyes said: Quote: In comment 15219645 robbieballs2003 said: He said Parsons was off the Giants board. Quote: of players they are interested in. I trust Rico. One word: misdirection. What did Rico say? I must have missed that thread.

And pulled the names.
Highly doubt this info is reliable at all.

Is not good in coverage, nor great against the run...I think some are overrating him just a bit

In comment 15219708 battttles said:

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"she's not credible" "she's an idiot" "she's not plugged in" she's literally doing her job

Which is to generate clicks, not pass along useful information. It's the clicks that pay her salary, not the value of what she has to say. So you're right, she's not an idiot. But she's also not credible, nor plugged in. My bad for being the one who called her an idiot, I just don't like her the way some here don't like Ranaan or Lombardo or Schwartz.

Isn’t a leak. It’s five different names lol.

Still like seeing parsons and waddle.

In comment 15219720 Zeke's Alibi said:

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In comment 15219701 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 15219689 HMunster said: Quote: the draft fell like this or something close to it, I can definitely see why the Giants would consider Parsons at #11. Jags: T. Lawrence Jets: Z. Wilson 49ers: J. Fields Atl: K. Pitts Cinc: P. Sewell Miami: J. Chase Det. D. Smith Car. R. Slater Den: T. Lance Dal: P. Surtain Interesting that Kwity Paye is not on her list. Again, and I was chastised by stoned ass Milton, but the only thing being reported is that Parsons was involved in having in SOME way. Apparently according to Milton, us fans have no right for requesting elaboration. Despite my not asking for that, I find it more than just a bit telling that Parsons did something so egregious but no media will leak that info. His agent either has very deep pockets, or something is fishy. There was a report of him hazing right? And some pretty intense stuff no? There's always a few guys like that in football lockerrooms and they make things way worse. When it gets to that point it's certainly not isolated behavior. Can he grow up? Possibly, but it's against him being a first round draft pick. I'd rather have the LT's of the world. That being said Parsons is a solid fit for the defense as its currently constructed and what Graham wants to do and I trust Judge in this aspect, especially since we've purged the locker room at this point. But a lot like the Deandre Baker pick, I think it sends the wrong message.

No, I dont know any details nor heard of any! This isnt Richie Igcognito shit....to this point, all hearsay. JPP had a more in-line accusation and he has done just fine since. But Milton wanted to make it a point to tell me I dont have the right to want to know what happened and that we should just believe what we hear.

Thats literally the truth. If he lit a guys balls on fire, I figured we'd know about it. But if "hazing" means he was thrown in an ice tub I would prefer the on field maniac who is a school yard bully over Mike Mamula or Odiguizuhwa pt 2.

In comment 15219638 nygiants16 said:

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if he is not a locker room cancer, and this defense is really scary.. He is versatile, he can play inside, he can play outside, he can cover, he can rush the passer, he can stop the run, he is a 3 down LB.. Defense becomes even more versatile..

From what I have read, he cannot cover, and he cannot play inside very well because he has poor instincts and mediocre talent for getting through trash.

He's great when he is unblocked, though.

In comment 15219654 regulator said:

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of another first round pick failure because of off-field issues. For that reason I really cannot see us going with Parsons. No surprise that Kim Jones would put a Penn State LB at the top of her list.

What is the question about Parsons character? I have seen him maligned but still nothing at all that you can hang your hat on to say he is a bad kid.

If he has a temper problem, good. I like LBers with a temper problem. A lot of you guys wouldn't have drafted LT.

This is the best LBer prospect I've seen in a long time.

who are in the consensus top 20 and play positions of some level of need.

That said, his skillset seems to fit exactly how Graham manufactures a pass rush. He can line up anywhere and be used as part of the pressure packages.

And having Martinez at MLB telling him what to do would be huge.

In comment 15219771 djm said:

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Isn’t a leak. It’s five different names lol. Still like seeing parsons and waddle.

Those are the two freaks of nature on that list. I like them both an awful lot.

listed by every member of BBI...obviously they are not interested in QBs, kickers, safeties and RBs at #11 and probably not TEs either(except Pitts).
Leaves, CBs, WRs, ERs and maybe LBs. Pick the top 2 at each position and that is the interest list.

In comment 15219693 Ned In Atlanta said:

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But if the plan is to add a 4th round guard and pray that the OL progresses from last year I think we could be in for a long season

This

The list. Parsons or Waddle. The other 3 are solid players but not difference makers.

Slightly different, no Paye in op’s list, this list has no ranking:


@KimJonesSports
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As mentioned on
@NFLTotalAccess
, I confirmed today that these 6 are AMONG the players the #NYG are considering w/the 11th overall pick:
Azeez Ojulari, GA, edge
Micah Parstons, PSU, LB
Kwity Paye, Mich, edge
Rashawn Slater, NU, T
Patrick Surtain, Ala, CB
Jaylen Waddle, Ala, WR

In comment 15219830 mittenedman said:

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That said, his skillset seems to fit exactly how Graham manufactures a pass rush. He can line up anywhere and be used as part of the pressure packages. And having Martinez at MLB telling him what to do would be huge.

I dont think Parsons is the pick. I think its down to Paye and Smith. Ojulari a distant 3rd.

Not sure how I feel about it as they werent my favorites at the beginning of this process, but I find the outrage for either being the pick a head scratcher. Both were used in a multitude of ways. One measured out at the top of the charts for their position, but while not having major numbers to speak of, was incredibly disruptive at multiple positions. The other was enormously productive this past year, including a legendary performance in the biggest game of the year, but did not even test and has a questionable physique.

Those sound like 11th overall pick profiles to me. I think Paye or Smith would be fine picks.

In comment 15219726 giant_thoughts said:

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The Giants staff better do their homework if he is on their radar.

They haven’t until your reminder..

In comment 15219914 Big Blue '56 said:

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In comment 15219726 giant_thoughts said: Quote: The Giants staff better do their homework if he is on their radar. They haven’t until your reminder..

Lol

Maybe someone should send DG a letter to be sure? I say send an email, but I’m not sure if he knows how to check those

may have to make a small move up this year, nothing big.

The more I'm coming to terms that Parson's may not be there at the end of the day, we keep talking about it like its a certain but it really isn't. Dallas for example, needs defensive help in the worst way and is famous for taking on guys with character questions (though its starting to come out that there isn't much to this with Parsons).

When I see guys like Ojulari on these lists I can't help but wonder if the Giants are digging into "trade back" targets as well. Like Ojulari, good player, not at 11.

down to the middle of round 2.

I think if there is that little comnsensus on a person, then he is not unique enough for a #11 pick (which is really the number 6 player in the draft once you take the QB's out). Move back and get him (or one of the several others of his ilk) if you are set on that position.

a weak dude and these guys can sniff that shit out from a mile away. Hence the really tame thing of throwing him in an ice bath.

This is what is alleged he did and it only took a quick google search. Now whether it's true or not I have no idea, but this is way worse than what JPP did.

https://fox56.com/news/local/former-psu-football-player-gives-details-on-alleged-hazing-by-teammates