Who are we taking at 11 (let’s assume we stay at 11)?

Penei Sewell or Kyle Pitts.

Who will they takes? Jaylen Waddle

Who I want at 11
Waddle
Parsons

Who they take
Ojulari

Micah Parsons

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1. one of the bama guys
2. one of the bama guys

In comment 15219829 Eric on Li said:

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1. one of the bama guys 2. one of the bama guys

Ha ha, most likely.

Smith Slater. I would be happy with any of them but would rate them in that order. Its to early at 11 to pick little people.

Don’t see the edge guys as good values at 11. Don’t see a OL at 11 with our needs and the value that will still be there in the 2nd. CB makes no sense at all.

Smith, Parsons, Paye or Ojulari. I like all 4 but prefer Parsons.

Who I want to be available, but likely won’t be: Sewell

Who I want to be available, and likely will be: Surtain

Who I think will be available and who the Giants will take: Waddle

So I want to be available: Smith, Waddle, Parson. Who will be available: None of those. Then there is Ojulari. What they’ll do...not trade down and overdraft him at 11.

We lead the league in dashed hopes.

surtain

Think it will be Paye.

Based on hints and fit

Who do I want them to take - but won't be available?: Sewell, Pitts

Who do I want them to take that might be available but Giants will in no way take?: Slater

Who do I think they will take? Kwity Paye.

Who do I think Giants love that is probably higher on their board than Paye - that might be available that I want Giants to take rather than Paye? Smith.

In comment 15219865 Bill L said:

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So I want to be available: Smith, Waddle, Parson. Who will be available: None of those. Then there is Ojulari. What they’ll do...not trade down and overdraft him at 11. We lead the league in dashed hopes.

I wouldn't be so certain none of those 3 will be available. I really feel that 5 QBs are going off the board in the top 10 (at least 4). I also think Chase is most likely the 1st WR off the board. Pitts, Sewell, Surtain I think also aren't getting out of the top 10. If all that is true it would mean at least 1 or 2 of the names you mentioned (Smith, Waddle, Parsons) will be available at #11. Also a very strong possibility Slater goes in the top 10. I doubt all 3 of them will be available, but I certainly think 1 or 2 of them being available is likely.

#11 -- Devonta Smith, WR (most gifted player in the draft IMO)

#42 -- Wyatt Davis, RG (plug-and-play starting RG to replace Zeitler

#76 -- Brady Christensen, OT (can't hurt to have another swing OT to develop and have for depth)

#116 -- Deyo Odeyingbo, EDGE (I'm biased because I'm a Vandy alum but seriously this guy is one of the more versatile/dynamic defenders in the draft. Also Giants are partial to guys with hard-to-pronounce names.)

#196 -- Shakur Brown, CB (slot corner, can't have enough guys who can cover in today's NFL

#201 -- Patrick Johnson, EDGE (BPA here and even though we already took Odeyingbo earlier can't have enough guys who can rush the passer, especially on this current Giants team)


Wildcard: I would also just like to say: if somehow Trey Sermon is still on the board when the Giants pick in the 4th round, I wouldn't put it past DG to grab him. I think he's gonna be a terrific RB, he serves as a good backup and a guy who will push Barkley, and if he somehow emerges as a solid RB it gives us a good problem with the Barkley decision... I wouldn't put it past DG to be considering this possibility w/ Barkley in his 4th year of his contract. Very few 4th rounders turn out to be starters anyway but if you can steal a solid starting RB who can do it all like Sermon in the 4th round that really could in no way be a bad pick.

I already misspelled Dayo's name-- which means the Giants have to draft him now. As soon as a player's name is misspelled on BBI he was born to be a Giant lol

Find the videoo...Terrifying hybrid of the Watt brothers.
Then look at his pro day.
Now remember that this is a position of enormous impact, maybe right after the quarterback.
I think it's fair to move away because of his medical history, but he's got to be in the conversation. He is that good.
And when you evaluate the injuries, note that he played last year, Chase, waddle, and Slater did not.
If healthy, no one, and it's not close, could improve this team as much as jaelan Phillips.
As compelling as that is, I am a fan who emphasizes "safe" with high pics. But I'd be doing my due diligence and meeting with neurosurgeons to review his medical history.

Waddle
Smith
Slater

Who will they select
Kwity Paye or waddle

And I think they'll take Smith.

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if Waddle AND Smith are both sitting there, who do the Giants take? I, of course, have no idea.

In comment 15219948 Big Blue '56 said:

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if Waddle AND Smith are both sitting there, who do the Giants take? I, of course, have no idea.

Whichever one they don’t take, the Eagles will.

and the answer is Paye.

Who will they take: One of them

I think they'll all be gone and Paye will be the pick. Wild card is Waddle, he screams being the pick but we have not heard his name connected to NYG.

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I think they'll all be gone and Paye will be the pick. Wild card is Waddle, he screams being the pick but we have not heard his name connected to NYG.

Surtain over Smith? really....

if Smith is on the board, they will take Smith. but I'm thinking he won't be. I think the pick will be Paye

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In comment 15220059 JonC said: Quote: I think they'll all be gone and Paye will be the pick. Wild card is Waddle, he screams being the pick but we have not heard his name connected to NYG. Surtain over Smith? really....

Yep, I've been consistent the talent for the long haul is on defense.

agree, but there's almost no chance NYG would take Parsons or Surtain over Smith, if they were all available. just reading the tea leaves

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I think they'll all be gone and Paye will be the pick. Wild card is Waddle, he screams being the pick but we have not heard his name connected to NYG.

God, I hope not. Is it just me or are the Giants always lining up to draft someone who has zero chance at being drafted ahead of their pick? That's the definition of reaching for need. And why we're on the subject, isn't our need for a pass rusher? Excuse me for the lack of excitement for Paye and his whopping 6 sacks. But hey, the guy with 15 sacks who was the consensus top edge rusher when he walked off the field didn't set the world on fire in his 2 minutes in shorts at his pro day. Good grief.

and what I think NYG will do.

free agency. Once A Jackson did they jumped on him and it now allows them to be more flexible on adding anything further with the Secondary in the draft.

It would be surprising for them to address it again at #11.

In comment 15220095 UberAlias said:

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In comment 15220059 JonC said: Quote: I think they'll all be gone and Paye will be the pick. Wild card is Waddle, he screams being the pick but we have not heard his name connected to NYG. God, I hope not. Is it just me or are the Giants always lining up to draft someone who has zero chance at being drafted ahead of their pick? That's the definition of reaching for need. And why we're on the subject, isn't our need for a pass rusher? Excuse me for the lack of excitement for Paye and his whopping 6 sacks. But hey, the guy with 15 sacks who was the consensus top edge rusher when he walked off the field didn't set the world on fire in his 2 minutes in shorts at his pro day. Good grief.

Uber, I think it's clear they've been plugging in the best available at positions of need, including their QB and LT.

And thus far the strategy has proven to be underwhelming.

Is the top pass rusher. He's not.

In comment 15220101 UberAlias said:

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And thus far the strategy has proven to be underwhelming.

Agree 100%.

college stats really don't tell you much, but in the last full season for Michigan, Paye had 50 tackles, 12.5 for loss and 6.5 sacks, and that was basically his first full year of college football.

Michigan played 4 games in 2020.

In comment 15220103 UberAlias said:

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Is the top pass rusher. He's not.

Agree 100%. Paye would be a good pick at somewhere between 16-20 but not at 11. He is not a top 15 guy in terms of BPA.

In comment 15220103 UberAlias said:

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Is the top pass rusher. He's not.

And how exactly do you know that? These guys haven't stepped on the NFL field yet.

if you are saying Paye would be a good pick at 16, but not at 11, there is something wrong here

In comment 15220114 ryanmkeane said:

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In comment 15220103 UberAlias said: Quote: Is the top pass rusher. He's not. And how exactly do you know that? These guys haven't stepped on the NFL field yet.

Nobody exactly knows anything. But given the choice, I'm putting my money on the guy who did it at a high level in college over the guy who didn't. GR has the elite length, motor, and hit home nearly 3x the rate in their respective full seasons. That's where I'm putting my money.

most of Rousseau's stats came from the inside, not outside edge, and i don't think he's nearly the athlete that Paye is

...i just don't see the ability to get home in the NFL. he is an average athlete and has average power. his best trait is that he's long and has a good motor, but i don't see any explosiveness with him

Phillips and Paye will be much better pros than Rousseau IMO

mocked all over the place, including down to the middle of round 2. Take away the QBS and we are selecting one of the top 6 guys in the draft. I gotta believe that a top 6 player is not going to be one where there is no consensus as to where he should be drafted. With all these edge guys, I think you're talking about a group of people that you can pick form with a blindfold one and pretty much end up with the same player. We *have* to be able to do better at the spot we are picking, or, if we *have* to pick an edge, we should be able to get even a nominal extra pick for moving down to where these guys should be clustered.

In comment 15220136 ryanmkeane said:

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most of Rousseau's stats came from the inside, not outside edge, and i don't think he's nearly the athlete that Paye is

Since when is rushing the QB from the inside easier? It's not. It's harder. We are talking 3x the results. That's hard to dismiss. Rousseau was a highly productive pass rusher because he has elite length and motor. That probably doesn;t translate into your definition of athlete but when you're wearing pads and actually have someone opposite you, it sure as hell matters.

A decent number of Peye's sacks from inside too. Are we dismissing those too? I hope not. He doesn't have an abundance to spare.

Who will the Giants take? you never know.A few years back,I thought Jerry would take Zach Cunningham,he passed on him twice.

Last year,I thought they might take Epenesa,we got another Safety.

My point is that Paye wasn’t really used a whole lot as a straight up pass rusher from the edge. That’s why you don’t see crazy stats with him. Much like Gary, they used him to sit the edge and yes he did play inside too.

Rousseau feels very similar to Taco Charlton in that he had good college stats but very little athleticism for the position. People felt that just because he had the measurables he would be successful, as it turns out he had 1 pass rush move and was really stiff. That seems like Rousseau to me. Just a difference of opinion.

so I hope they take him, but I have a whole plan behind that.

Who I think they take is Smith. I think he'll be there at 11.

for his size. You coach him up and he gets a few more moves, he can be a dominant player. I don’t see that with Rousseau because there’s no baseline athleticism for him to work with. He’s going to get shut down instantly by good OTs.

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for his size. You coach him up and he gets a few more moves, he can be a dominant player. I don’t see that with Rousseau because there’s no baseline athleticism for him to work with. He’s going to get shut down instantly by good OTs.

Rousseau might have the highest upside of any defender in the draft. He had incredible length he knows how to use. He also close and finishes when he sees the QB.

In comment 15220207 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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so I hope they take him, but I have a whole plan behind that. Who I think they take is Smith. I think he'll be there at 11.

I would take either of those. Unlike the two people the other two posters are arguing about, both Smith and Waddle have both measurable and a record of production. Not an either or (or just potential)

Imagine NYG with him as another WR opposite KG and a Top Flight Kick Returner we never seem to have ?

In comment 15220207 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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so I hope they take him, but I have a whole plan behind that. Who I think they take is Smith. I think he'll be there at 11.

Come on Jim, at least share your plan.

We certainly don't see one coming from this front office...

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In comment 15219829 Eric on Li said: Quote: 1. one of the bama guys 2. one of the bama guys Ha ha, most likely.

I’m all in on Waddle... he would help take our Offense to the next level....legit scary WR.... would bring Tyreke Hill type impact to our offense... imagine DC’s game planning for offense?

My first two picks would be Waddle and Wyatt Davis in the 2nd... we’re gonna have to be a bit lucky for both to drop to our respective spots, but it’s not a crazy idea either...after that...Elerson Smith in the 3rd, and the other picks will be icing on the cake.