He's the best pass rusher in the league, by far. I have no idea why everyone suddenly prefers these JAGs with their 5 sacks over Rousseau. 9 out of 10 times, the views on guys after the season ends are correct. Everyone's seen all the film. The rest is over thinking.
RE: Not sure why anyone would have a problem with Rousseau
He's the best pass rusher in the league, by far. I have no idea why everyone suddenly prefers these JAGs with their 5 sacks over Rousseau. 9 out of 10 times, the views on guys after the season ends are correct. Everyone's seen all the film. The rest is over thinking.
You were close, I think Phillips is the best DE/ER in the draft but his medicals may prevent a high draft pick.
He looked very stiff going through the field drills which is probably causing him to drop in the draft.
I trust Judge and his coaches in evaluating these draft prospects.
He also did most of his damage on the inside against guards. Supposedly, he has trouble bending the edge and is raw. I think there are better choices for the Giants. In the second round, it might be OK as a flyer, but I don't think he will contribute much in his first year. I think you want immediate production in the second round.
He looked very stiff going through the field drills which is probably causing him to drop in the draft.
I trust Judge and his coaches in evaluating these draft prospects.
People vastly overrate pro days. Pro days are not football. The thing about Rousseau is that he has things you can't teach. Elite length, size, motor, and his production is triple the other edge rushers. I'll put more stock in that than less than two minutes of running around in shorts without an opponent on the other side. But that's just me.
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He also did most of his damage on the inside against guards. Supposedly, he has trouble bending the edge and is raw. I think there are better choices for the Giants. In the second round, it might be OK as a flyer, but I don't think he will contribute much in his first year. I think you want immediate production in the second round.
I guess once something is out there on a video it becomes the Bible. Look, if rushing from the inside was easier (its not --it's harder), everyone would put their top rushers inside.
Brulgers draft isn't full of bad players and getting GR in round 2 would be an decent selection but I think the draft can produce a better 1st round talent than the USC OL.
I think Creed Humphrey in round 2 will be a complete game changer for our O Line. Give me Parsons, Smith or Waddle in round 1, Humphrey in round 2 and I will look WR or EDGE/LB in round 3 depending on what happens in round 1.
just because it’s the second round would be a mistake. It reminds me of Cowboys taking Charlton after he slipped and the thinking was “well we have to take him here right?”
Agree. We are forcing a pick at 11 for a guy who more than likely would be there between 15-20. If you make this guy the pick it has to be after trading down a few slots and acquiring draft capital. I also think if we stay put at 11 we take the BPA and you can get a good OG in round 2. As for the second pick this guy has a chance to be real good and a chance to be a big bust. Until we have roster depth and are winning I would not want to take a risk in the first couple of rounds.
Here now I am not concerned, he is tge type that leaves no stone unturned. He has connections and connections to connections all over and in his coaching staff, in fact it is part of the reason why they are hired. This is a detailed oriented guy,and those types always make the best choices.
think the 'ick' and 'yuck' reactions may be mostly due
to fact that not many if any of these picks have been linked closely with Giants in all the punditry so far. I find it one of the more interesting mocks for that reason, and some good players there even if you don't like the positioning at #11. Andy in Boston asks the Q whether he has links to the team, and said lack of 'popular' picks here might well raise the question.
Aspect I find a bit off is that I don't any of these squares with the pro day visits of the coaching staff.
Is a condor and understands how to use that length. If he can dominate guards rotate/stunt him in there. He could be the next Watt. I would love him in rd 2.
I guess...we need to wait until Sy bring out his list of OT/OG
Do yourself a favor. Go watch his YouTube tape. Many games there to see. Then watch other guards. Make your own assessment. Then check out all the professionals list and see if your eyes see what they see. It’s no hard to do. Waiting for lists is just taking others word for it. Why not see for yourself? Just a thought.
For example. I watched Wyatt davis. No thank you in round 2. Trey smith no thanks at all. The drop off after the first 4/5 lineman is massive.
Overall, Vera-Tucker does an outstanding job centering his blocks and sustaining due to his balanced feet, strong hands and quick processing. He projects as an NFL starting guard with a Pro Bowl ceiling and tackle versatility.
That's pretty similar to Sy's view, and seems to be the draftnik consensus: "Sure, you can play him at left tackle, and he'll probably be fine, with some obvious limitations. If you want to get the most from him, though, you probably look at him at as a guard, where the sky is his limit." That's a similar positional valuation to the prevailing view of Slater, though their skill sets are different.
So, is he worth the 11th pick? If you see him as the next Quenton Nelson / Zack Martin, with the sweetener of raising your floor at OLT, the answer is clearly yes. That doesn't mean he's the best choice for the Giants at #11, but I don't think value is an issue. Brugler on Vera-Tucker, via Trojanswire - ( New Window )
As for Rousseau, Brugler ranked him the 24th best prospect...
...on his initial list in January, and I think he has remained in the 20s. He seems like good value at #42, if you can live with the boom-bust aspect and the likelihood that his role in 2021 will be narrow.
The eerie similarities to Jason Pierre-Paul's background and resume have probably shed more heat than light. The Hindu theory only goes so far, and JPP may not even be most suitable comp, apart from their bios. Specifically, in a 3-4, Rousseau is a lineman. And in a 4-3, his predominant position (once he fills out) might be inside, unlike JPP.
Herbert as a backup
Saquon yes please. Reminds me of tiki a lot
Nixon is good pick as well
would look for a DB instead of the LB
Sewell many say he’s best off at guard. Next Nelson
Slater G
Vera tucker G
Darrissaw OT only true true offensive tackle in round 1
He's a great prospect but I think Gettleman will want to try to find OL in the later rounds.
Rousseau in the 2nd round would probably be ok. I would not mind that.
For some reason, I am more open to Vera-Tucker at 11 than Slater and I know little of either...
I guess...we need to wait until Sy bring out his list of OT/OG
You were close, I think Phillips is the best DE/ER in the draft but his medicals may prevent a high draft pick.
I trust Judge and his coaches in evaluating these draft prospects.
I trust Judge and his coaches in evaluating these draft prospects.
I think Creed Humphrey in round 2 will be a complete game changer for our O Line. Give me Parsons, Smith or Waddle in round 1, Humphrey in round 2 and I will look WR or EDGE/LB in round 3 depending on what happens in round 1.
Agree. We are forcing a pick at 11 for a guy who more than likely would be there between 15-20. If you make this guy the pick it has to be after trading down a few slots and acquiring draft capital. I also think if we stay put at 11 we take the BPA and you can get a good OG in round 2. As for the second pick this guy has a chance to be real good and a chance to be a big bust. Until we have roster depth and are winning I would not want to take a risk in the first couple of rounds.
Aspect I find a bit off is that I don't any of these squares with the pro day visits of the coaching staff.
thanks for posting, Rick
Not just a remote thrower, a TV breaker.
I guess...we need to wait until Sy bring out his list of OT/OG
Do yourself a favor. Go watch his YouTube tape. Many games there to see. Then watch other guards. Make your own assessment. Then check out all the professionals list and see if your eyes see what they see. It’s no hard to do. Waiting for lists is just taking others word for it. Why not see for yourself? Just a thought.
For example. I watched Wyatt davis. No thank you in round 2. Trey smith no thanks at all. The drop off after the first 4/5 lineman is massive.
I guess...we need to wait until Sy bring out his list of OT/OG
Sy has him tied (Slater) for the top OG slot with an 85 grade (pro bowl potential). So doesn't seem like he'd be much of a reach at 11.
That's pretty similar to Sy's view, and seems to be the draftnik consensus: "Sure, you can play him at left tackle, and he'll probably be fine, with some obvious limitations. If you want to get the most from him, though, you probably look at him at as a guard, where the sky is his limit." That's a similar positional valuation to the prevailing view of Slater, though their skill sets are different.
So, is he worth the 11th pick? If you see him as the next Quenton Nelson / Zack Martin, with the sweetener of raising your floor at OLT, the answer is clearly yes. That doesn't mean he's the best choice for the Giants at #11, but I don't think value is an issue.
Brugler on Vera-Tucker, via Trojanswire - ( New Window )
The eerie similarities to Jason Pierre-Paul's background and resume have probably shed more heat than light. The Hindu theory only goes so far, and JPP may not even be most suitable comp, apart from their bios. Specifically, in a 3-4, Rousseau is a lineman. And in a 4-3, his predominant position (once he fills out) might be inside, unlike JPP.