A lot of us focusing on pick #11, but it’s worth noting that DG has had pretty good success with his 2nd round pick since his GM days at Carolina. I’ve always felt that the 2nd round pick should NOT be a boom/bust type player and the floor needs to be adequate starter. Here’s DG’s second round history:
Kawann Short DT
Kony Ealy DE
Devin Funchess WR
James Bradberry CB
Curtis Samuel WR
Taylor Moton OT
Will Hernandez OG
Xavier McKinney S
Some pro bowlers and good players on this list. It begs the question for this season - with the WR group being as stacked as it is - could they be eyeing WR here - or does interior OL seem to be the perfect match with 5-6 guys at that spot probably making the grade?
Either way - we need to hit on a good starter with this pick and I’m actually more confident in round 2 than round 1.
I still have huge hopes for McKinney.
I still have huge hopes for McKinney.
yeah, oddly enough Hernandez seems to be one of the "worst" 2nd round picks by DG, but...i don't think it was a horrible pick by any means. Hernandez is an adequate starter but he absolutely not lived up to his draft status. His best year seems to be his rookie season which is strange
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but was Will Hernandez a good pick? Very much in question at this point.
I still have huge hopes for McKinney.
yeah, oddly enough Hernandez seems to be one of the "worst" 2nd round picks by DG, but...i don't think it was a horrible pick by any means. Hernandez is an adequate starter but he absolutely not lived up to his draft status. His best year seems to be his rookie season which is strange
Let’s see how WH does with new coaching staff this season. Critical year for him, imv
I still have huge hopes for McKinney.
Giving up on Hernandez seems a bit premature. He is a good player but our whole O Line has been in flux for years. I will wait and see if he is a starting guard this year, personally I think he would be a better RG than LG and hopefully he will be starting there this year.
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
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but was Will Hernandez a good pick? Very much in question at this point.
I still have huge hopes for McKinney.
Giving up on Hernandez seems a bit premature. He is a good player but our whole O Line has been in flux for years. I will wait and see if he is a starting guard this year, personally I think he would be a better RG than LG and hopefully he will be starting there this year.
Agree and havent given up on the player but we must hit on these picks, no exceptions.
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Oh, OK. So...Will Hernandez was not a second round selection?
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
No it is not. WTF. 3 year starter. Has he performed as we had hoped? - no. But this specifying that he was the #34 pick is really just being picky. Would it be different if he was #42? Would that make you feel better?
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Cant disgree; we needed a sure fire stud picking there.
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He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Cant disgree; we needed a sure fire stud picking there.
FFS
Historically, what is the percentage of sure fire studs picked by teams in the second round?
The guy started a lot of games for us. I wanted WH to be better but you cannot crap on that pick. I would say without looking that WH has started more games in his first 3 years than the average second round pick.
Plenty to shit on DG over, drafting WH is not one of them.
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Man it would be great if everyone met or achieved their draft ranking. Life would be so much easier wouldn't it? Unfortunately, that's a really shallow way of judging a pick when their are 20 different factors that can impact their pro performance besides scouting projections
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He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Cant disgree; we needed a sure fire stud picking there.
FFS
Historically, what is the percentage of sure fire studs picked by teams in the second round?
The guy started a lot of games for us. I wanted WH to be better but you cannot crap on that pick. I would say without looking that WH has started more games in his first 3 years than the average second round pick.
Plenty to shit on DG over, drafting WH is not one of them.
Cant blame it all on DG but chew on this stat:
The Giants have spent more draft capital on the OT position than the entire NFL over the last decade at 12.8%. - via report put together by Brad Spielberger.
Conversely, only 4 teams have spent less Draft capital at the WR position than the Giants over the last decade (Browns, Lions, Patriots, Packers).
When are we going to get it right?
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
No, he simply was a second round pick.
And after going RB with round one, the Giants/Gettleman smartly added to the OL with the #34 pick. And everything at the time told us Will Hernandez was at or near the top of the available Guard lists.
He hasn't played well in his past year or two, but this is not the pick to criticize as not prudently thought out at the time.
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In comment 15220119 M.S. said:
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He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
Cant disgree; we needed a sure fire stud picking there.
FFS
Historically, what is the percentage of sure fire studs picked by teams in the second round?
The guy started a lot of games for us. I wanted WH to be better but you cannot crap on that pick. I would say without looking that WH has started more games in his first 3 years than the average second round pick.
Plenty to shit on DG over, drafting WH is not one of them.
Cant blame it all on DG but chew on this stat:
The Giants have spent more draft capital on the OT position than the entire NFL over the last decade at 12.8%. - via report put together by Brad Spielberger.
Conversely, only 4 teams have spent less Draft capital at the WR position than the Giants over the last decade (Browns, Lions, Patriots, Packers).
When are we going to get it right?
What is getting it right?? Are we supposed to spend more draft capital on WR's than OL?
What's the magic formula?? Otherwise, the positions where draft capital is spent is mostly useless information.
#35 Nick Chubb
#36 Darius Leonard
#37 Braden Smith
With that said, Will Hernandez should have been a pretty good pick in the second round. Giants need him to turn around his game for certain, although would expect them to add a Guard fairly early in this draft.
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
I do not remember anyone on this board criticizing the Hernandez pick. With the benefit of hindsight, maybe it was not such a great pick. But, as mentioned above, too early to give up on him. New OL coach and Covid free should help.
#35 Nick Chubb
#36 Darius Leonard
#37 Braden Smith
ouch...
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He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
I do not remember anyone on this board criticizing the Hernandez pick. With the benefit of hindsight, maybe it was not such a great pick. But, as mentioned above, too early to give up on him. New OL coach and Covid free should help.
I seem to recall that Sy'56 was not a big fan of Will Hernandez; did not rank him very high amongst offensive lineman; and clearly preferred by a wide margin Braden Smith who went 3 picks later.
double ouch...
Your point is well taken, but I'm selfish -- I only care about what Gettleman has done for the Giants. And on that score, the "jury is still out."
i'm more confident in round 2 because of DG's history. More often than not he nails the 2nd round pick and that guy becomes a good starter/pro bowl potential player fairly quickly. Round 1, he has been hit or miss even at Carolina. He took some nice players but none of them ended up being special, aside from McCaffrey. Vernon Butler was a bust, Shaq Thompson is a nice player, Benjamin pretty much faded out. That being said, they were mostly picking towards the middle-end of the round
Would suggest DG's second round picks for the Giants are at best mixed... Will Hernandez has regressed a good bit and Deandre Baker (who was essentially his 2nd rounder) was a disaster.
Not saying they were out of line selections at the time, but DG certainly didn't "nail" anything here...
Bill B second round analysis. - ( New Window )
Short - pro bowler/all pro
Ealy - didn't do much, had a nice playoff stretch when they went to the SB
Funchess - didn't do much
Bradberry - pro bowler
Samuel - nice player, solid WR similar to Shepard
Hernandez - adequate guard, hasn't lived up to his draft slot
McKinney - jury out, looks like a nice starter for us
I just learned that Baker was a 2nd round pick!!
Short - pro bowler/all pro
Ealy - didn't do much, had a nice playoff stretch when they went to the SB
Funchess - didn't do much
Bradberry - pro bowler
Samuel - nice player, solid WR similar to Shepard
Hernandez - adequate guard, hasn't lived up to his draft slot
McKinney - jury out, looks like a nice starter for us
Didn't at all suggest you said he nails all his picks, so relax Ryan.
And I care far less about his drafting record in Carolina for obvious reasons. The fact is his first two second round picks (and early at that) have been worse than mixed.
Optimism on McKinney is fine but we can talk about that after his first couple years. Isn't that when you can logically measure up draft picks...
I just learned that Baker was a 2nd round pick!!
Trolling now with this value add?
I don't think you ever learn anything...
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in the prior round.
double ouch...
Only if you think Barkley was a bad pick. I do not. Sorry you're hurting.
Can't speak for others, but I understood the OP. And my bringing up Will Hernandez was definitely not exactly in the lane that the OP was driving in. But as I stated earlier, I only care about what Gettleman has done for the Giants, and when it comes to the second round, I don't like his Will Hernandez selection, and trading his second round pick (#37) to snag Deandre Baker at the bottom of the first was a real charmer.
But speaking about the 2nd round in general, I typically find it more exciting than the First because there's usually a wider range of prospects who are in play/consideration.
Here's to a great Giants Draft, and may the Force be with Dave Gettleman!
#35 Nick Chubb
#36 Darius Leonard
#37 Braden Smith
Almost on the 3rd year anniversary of the 2018 Draft, and its is hard not to suggest it wasn't a fairly big disappointment for the New York Giants thus far.
Praying for Barkley to recapture his rookie year impact. But would have been nice to see a couple of the names above in blue jerseys.
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in the prior round.
double ouch...
Only if you think Barkley was a bad pick. I do not. Sorry you're hurting.
Damn, was hoping you would have liked that one :-)
He was not just a "second round" selection.
He was the second pick in the second round.
And as the 34th player selected in the 2018 Draft, Gettleman failed to secure proper value.
It's that simple.
The general consensus on BBI was that it was a great pick. Maybe it will be, but just goes to show fan opinions mean nothing and the draft is still a crap shoot.