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NFT: Knicks Chat: Trade for Wiggins?

DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 10:54 am
The rumor is floating around that the Warriors intend on making a big run at Leonard. The Knicks can absorb Wiggins entire salary (about 31 per for the next 2). Wiggins + the Wolves pick (top 3 protected this season) unprotected in 2022) + the Wolves 2nd rounder this year. Would be a very strong move for the Knicks and one I think GS would very much consider if they do in fact hope to sign Leonard.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/14/2021 11:00 am : link
Why would Kawhi leave the Clips?
I would sign up for this in a heartbeat  
wigs in nyc : 4/14/2021 11:03 am : link
Anything to get more top-of-the draft picks to add to this core is how we should be looking.
RE: ...  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:04 am : link
In comment 15220231 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Why would Kawhi leave the Clips?


Why wouldn't he? The whole claim was he wanted to be in Cali, not that he had to play for tyhe Clippers. Curry, Thompson, Leonard, Green, Wiseman... that team can challenge for the title.

"Kawhi Leonard’s future with the Los Angeles Clippers hinges on how deep of a Playoff run the Clips venture into this postseason. With the way Steve Balmer has forsaken the Clippers’ future by giving away all of their picks to acquire Paul Goerge and Rajon Rondo, it seems as though they are in ‘championship or bust’ mode.

According to Evan Massey of ESPN and Yahoo, the Golden State Warriors will look into signing the 2x Finals MVP if he were to become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of ‘22. "
Cause there is not enough talent  
Carl in CT : 4/14/2021 11:05 am : link
To win on the clips. Add him and Klay next year and they could make a serious run next year
..  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 11:07 am : link
Ball, Wiggins, Rj, Randle, Mitch..Not bad
If  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:09 am : link
I'm the Knicks I'm all over this if possible. TBH, while completely overpaid, Wiggins would help next years team in talent alone.


Adding Wiggins, the 2 firsts we already have, 2nd we already have in addition to the Wolves picks (either both this year, or one this year and one next) that would be pretty exciting.
I'd rather use the cap room for FAs  
NYG22 : 4/14/2021 11:10 am : link
Let's say GSs pick is 12, then you're talking about something like Corey Kispert or Johnny Juzang.

I'd rather Lonzo Ball (4y, 22mm per) and Gary Trent (4y, 15mm per) via FA

than

Wiggins + Kispert.

Plus we already have 2 mid first rounders.
Sorry  
NYG22 : 4/14/2021 11:10 am : link
I missed that it was the Wolves pick, not Warriors
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/14/2021 11:12 am : link
Kawhi doesn't strike me as someone who would want to join a 'super team'. He could have done that with the Lakers & LBJ/AD in the summer of '19.

As for Wiggins, sure.
RE: I'd rather use the cap room for FAs  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 11:13 am : link
In comment 15220261 NYG22 said:
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Let's say GSs pick is 12, then you're talking about something like Corey Kispert or Johnny Juzang.

I'd rather Lonzo Ball (4y, 22mm per) and Gary Trent (4y, 15mm per) via FA

than

Wiggins + Kispert.

Plus we already have 2 mid first rounders.


Raptors would match that Trent contract in a second
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/14/2021 11:13 am : link
& count me in the camp that wants us to make a serious run at Lonzo this summer. He'd be a perfect fit.
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nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 11:13 am : link
In comment 15220268 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Kawhi doesn't strike me as someone who would want to join a 'super team'. He could have done that with the Lakers & LBJ/AD in the summer of '19.

As for Wiggins, sure.


He was going to if Clippers didnt trade for PG
What would the Knicks be giving up?  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2021 11:15 am : link
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RE: Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15220264 NYG22 said:
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I missed that it was the Wolves pick, not Warriors


Yeah. The Wolves pick is top 3 protected this season, no protection for 2022.
RE: What would the Knicks be giving up?  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15220274 Greg from LI said:
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The Knicks can absorb his entire salary.
Warriors  
GMEN46 : 4/14/2021 11:16 am : link
Would have to do sign and trade with clippers there is no way they could sign Kawhi outright with steph, klay and Draymond contracts. Therefore this would not be possible because Clippers would want Minny pick plus more to make this happen.
even if the Warriors  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 11:16 am : link
trade Wiggins and don't take back any salary, they still don't have room to sign Kawhi.
Trent  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:17 am : link
is going to cost close to 20 per (if not more) to steal him. He turned down 4 for 58 from Portland... and then blew up. Going to have to make the Raptors wince to have a shot to land him.
But what would they be trading?  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2021 11:17 am : link
I feel like I missing something here
RE: But what would they be trading?  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15220284 Greg from LI said:
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I feel like I missing something here


They don't have to trade salary to take back salary. They have the cap room to take on Wiggins without sending "anything" back.
Knicks have plenty of cap space  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2021 11:21 am : link
The Knicks could do this and add another max.
Picks are great if we can move them for players or package to move up in the draft.
The Knicks are not adding 3 or 4 rookies to this roster.
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DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:22 am : link
"The New York Knicks are one of the few teams flush with cap space this offseason, and they are reportedly letting teams know they are willing to use that cap space to take on a bad contract to acquire assets, per Ian Begley of SNY.

What this means: Knicks fans rejoice! The concept of using cap space to absorb a bad contract in exchange for draft picks is something many fans have been clamoring for on #KnicksTwitter for years. This latest report suggests that team president Leon Rose is open to the idea.

Begley notes in his report that the Knicks would presumably look to fetch another draft pick and young player as incentive for acquiring an “undesirable” contract."
RE: RE: But what would they be trading?  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 11:26 am : link
In comment 15220289 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15220284 Greg from LI said:


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I feel like I missing something here



They don't have to trade salary to take back salary. They have the cap room to take on Wiggins without sending "anything" back.

but that still doesn't get them anywhere near the cap space necessary to sign Leonard. The rumor doesn't make any sense.

Also, whoever Evan Massey is, he is not "of ESPN and Yahoo". He's currently with "NBA Analysis Network"...whatever the fuck that is.
I get that, but what picks are we talking about the Knicks giving up?  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2021 11:28 am : link
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In  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:30 am : link
fairness, he doesn't claim he works for them, he said he's contributed and he's verified and followed by other NBA writers

Evan Massey
@massey_evan
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RE: I get that, but what picks are we talking about the Knicks giving up?  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15220311 Greg from LI said:
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None. They would get the picks to take on Wiggins remaining money.
Unless the cap jumps a ton  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 11:33 am : link
They are going to have to get rid of Draymond and probably Wiseman as well to get enough room
So GSW is giving the Knicks Wiggins with nothing at all going back?  
Greg from LI : 4/14/2021 11:35 am : link
OK
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Enzo : 4/14/2021 11:48 am : link
In comment 15220313 DanMetroMan said:
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fairness, he doesn't claim he works for them, he said he's contributed and he's verified and followed by other NBA writers

Evan Massey
@massey_evan
Featured on Forbes, ESPN, Yahoo!, Fox Sports, SI, B/R. Owner, @HoopAnalysisNet
, @NFLAnalysisNet
, @IndyCoverage
. Contact: emasseysports@gmail.com

but whatever nonsense source you quoted earlier said "According to Evan Massey of ESPN and Yahoo" (like you can work for both at the same time, lol).

There's a whole echo chamber of NBA "writers" who throw out nonsense rumors which then get retweeted and picked up by aggregators and spun as "news".

Back in the real world, the Warriors won't be dumping Wiggins along with picks to clear room for a max player because they'd still be over the cap.

If they want to get involved with any free agents this summer for more than the MLE, it would have to be via sign-and-trade. And event that might be difficult to pull off under the cap apron.
Knicks should stay away  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 4/14/2021 11:48 am : link
I don't think he makes sense next to Barrett/Randle. He's good for 18-20 empty points a game and not much else.
The problem can be too many picks too soon  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2021 11:50 am : link
If we made this deal we would have 3 first and 3 seconds in the 2021 draft.
Unless we package a ton of picks for Beal or Lavine. (Or my dream scenario D. Mitchell).
We need to act quick because Thibs is not walking into next season with a bench of all 2nd and 1st year players.
Guys this isn’t happening  
GMEN46 : 4/14/2021 11:55 am : link
Clippers aren’t going to sign and trade him for nothing after trading away 4 picks for him. It’s going to cost at minimum

Wiseman
Minny pick
2021 GS pick
Wiggins which cost more to give up
Another future first
Apparently  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 11:59 am : link
this guy OKC randomly signed is pretty good (Gabriel Deck) from Argentina (4 years 14.5 million). I wouldn't hate seeing the Knicks start making moves like this. Remember when they randomly signed Randolph Morris? lol
He's an upgrade, but not worth that salary  
Ira : 4/14/2021 12:01 pm : link
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id be all over this..  
Italianju : 4/14/2021 12:04 pm : link
is he a great fit? no. Is he not worth his salary? Duh. You do it for the pick. Like im not taking Wiggins without getting something back, obviously. This would give us a crazy amount of ammo when the next star hits the trade market or at worst it gives us a few chances to draft another stud.

That said i concur there is no way this happens, dont see how GSW can sign leonard even if they gut everything on the roster except the original trio.
Prob won’t happen  
UGADawgs7 : 4/14/2021 12:27 pm : link
But Kawhi could say he 100% won’t extend with LAC so they can get something for him or lose him for 0. Wiggins is still only 25 so if Knicks could take on assets for him and only 2 years, why not. He’s not a super star but he’s a very good player. If Barrett goes to the 2 full time, it could work out. Won’t make the Knicks worse.
RE: Knicks have plenty of cap space  
djm : 4/14/2021 12:36 pm : link
In comment 15220290 larryflower37 said:
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The Knicks could do this and add another max.
Picks are great if we can move them for players or package to move up in the draft.
The Knicks are not adding 3 or 4 rookies to this roster.


Agreed. I have little doubt that the KNicks are trading quantity for quality this coming off-season and for numerous reasons. First off the Knicks need star power and they have a bunch of young players and picks already. And Thibs isn't a fan of a big rotation.

I'd do this deal. Kind of think Wiggins could be a good defensive player if he's in the right spot.
I would rather...  
Jan in DC : 4/14/2021 12:56 pm : link
the Knicks just try to sign Leonard :D

That Minny pick is going to be amazing, but that Wiggins contract is a killer for the next couple of years.

I think doing that deal would be a no brainer, but the one thing that gives me pause is it's going to make a weird timeline for the team where Randle will be the elder statesman of the group and the young players would be RJ, Minny pick, Quickley, etc.

IF you go that route, you're basically praying that the pick is a star player because in the next couple of years you have to sign Randle to the max, look at giving Mitch and maybe Noel deals.

That Wiggins contract would def be tradeable next year.
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bceagle05 : 4/14/2021 12:57 pm : link
In comment 15220294 DanMetroMan said:
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"The New York Knicks are one of the few teams flush with cap space this offseason, and they are reportedly letting teams know they are willing to use that cap space to take on a bad contract to acquire assets, per Ian Begley of SNY.

Thibs is gonna murder Brock Aller in cold blood.
You  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 1:00 pm : link
have to believe this season if anything puts the Knicks back on the radar for decent FA's. If they can't land good FA in the next year or 2 then we are screwed either way (barring ridiculous draft luck)..
Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 1:02 pm : link
and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman
Would Wiggins be the best fit with  
csb : 4/14/2021 1:08 pm : link
RJ as a natural 3? Feel like a PG or SG would be the priority
Wiggins defense is much better  
Heisenberg : 4/14/2021 1:08 pm : link
He and Thibs have both said nice things about each other since they've parted. I kinda could see this happen. He'll never be worth that contract, but Wiggins is a valuable player who's improved this year.

The problem with accepting a dump  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2021 2:25 pm : link
is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money.

I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.
RE: The problem with accepting a dump  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 2:53 pm : link
In comment 15220668 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money.

I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.


Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court as well. He's overpaid but let's not pretend he's trash. He'd be at worst their third-best player come opening night.


47% from the field, 38% from 3, 5 rebounds.

14.6 PER, .065 WS/48
The  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 2:54 pm : link
Knicks roster is better with Andrew Wiggins than without. It's also been widely accepted his defense has been SIGNIFICANTLY better this season to the point he's getting high praise for it.

"Wiggins’ defensive metrics are all in a better place than in recent years. His ESPN Defensive Real Plus-Minus is 1.36, good enough for No. 9 among players listed as small forwards and by far the best mark of Wiggins’ career."
RE: Knicks  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/14/2021 3:00 pm : link
In comment 15220527 DanMetroMan said:
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and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman


That's the team I fear getting Lonzo. They need a point too.
RE: RE: Knicks  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15220733 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman



That's the team I fear getting Lonzo. They need a point too.


According to multiple reports they made an "aggressive" bid for him via trade so it's safe to assume they will be hot for him.
RE: RE: The problem with accepting a dump  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15220724 DanMetroMan said:
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is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money.

I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.



Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court as well. He's overpaid but let's not pretend he's trash. He'd be at worst their third-best player come opening night.


47% from the field, 38% from 3, 5 rebounds.

14.6 PER, .065 WS/48


I admittedly haven't seen enough of him to have an opinion of how good he's been, but is the addition he'd make so much so that it's worth taking on that contract? Because the money you give him is money you can't spend elsewhere of course. It's not as if they're one player away.
Wiggins and Lonzo  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2021 3:12 pm : link
Would be a huge haul this off season.
Wiggins is only 26 years old and would give you 3 legit scoring threats.
With Randle being the oldest starter at 27.
Sign me up!
Wiggins  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 3:16 pm : link
plus picks? Yes. He'd be one of the more appealing FA's available (if he were a FA) so if you're getting a good pick or 2? Then yeah, he's well worth eating into that cap room. This isn't a step backwards on the court. You have to remember that Rose, Burks, Noel, Payton, Gibson, Bullock are all FA's

(Based on only players under contract)

Wiggins, Mitch, Randle, Barrett, IQ, Toppin, Knox, Frank + the 2 firsts the Knicks already have... Wiggins would represent roughly half of the Knicks cap space, they could still sign a Lonzo Ball if they wanted to, they could still sign a Lowry short term etc. They aren't signing 60 million in "good NBA FA's" in one off-season. Wiggins has 2 years left, it's not some huge long term commitment... he's also only 3 years older than Obi Toppin.

Thibs on Wiggins

"“Huge difference. He’s grown. I think this environment is perfect for him. I think the job that Steve (Kerr) and his staff has done, they’ve challenged him to grow," Thibodeau told Strauss. "His defense is vastly improved. His all-around play, too, and it will get better and better. Playing with guys like Steph and Draymond (Green) and when Klay (Thompson)’s back, that’s going to be a big bonus for him. Andrew is a great guy. He’s very talented and gifted and that’s the thing you can’t lose sight of, what the Warriors have done. The obvious is Steph, Klay and Draymond, but adding these young pieces that are so talented. They’re going to be good for a long time.”"
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DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 3:17 pm : link
Warriors coach Steve Kerr told the New York Post in a recent interview that Wiggins had a “great” relationship with the new Knicks coach.

“What is apparent is he and Andrew had a great relationship and Andrew said that as well,” Kerr said. “I know Andrew told me he really enjoyed playing for him and appreciated his commitment.”


Lonzo, Wiggins, RJ, Randle, Mitch would be the Knicks best starting 5 in a very, very long time. Randle would be the old man of that group, 27 for the entire 2022 season.
RE: RE: The problem with accepting a dump  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 3:18 pm : link
In comment 15220724 DanMetroMan said:
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is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money.

I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.



Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court as well. He's overpaid but let's not pretend he's trash. He'd be at worst their third-best player come opening night.


47% from the field, 38% from 3, 5 rebounds.

14.6 PER, .065 WS/48

14.6 PER is pretty much league average....and his 3 pt shooting this year appears to be an outlier. Yes he makes them a better team but at some point you have to make smart decisions with regards to allocating cap dollars.

$30 million for a player of this caliber when you have other glaring needs is not smart.
They  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 3:28 pm : link
have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.
RE: They  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15220778 DanMetroMan said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.

This states the case perfectly. Absolutely do it if it can be done - the fact that Wiggins and Thibs are simpatico is a bonus.
Yeah you definitely do this  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 3:42 pm : link
then add Ball in free agency, bring back Rose and Burks, plus still have the assets to make a big deal
RE: They  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15220778 DanMetroMan said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.

and why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins?

In your fantasy land scenario, the pick makes Wiggins' contract easier to swallow - but 2/65 for a non all-star that doesn't address our biggest needs (and plays the same position as RJ) just isn't a smart use of cap resources.
RE: RE: They  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15220813 Enzo said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.


and why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins?

In your fantasy land scenario, the pick makes Wiggins' contract easier to swallow - but 2/65 for a non all-star that doesn't address our biggest needs (and plays the same position as RJ) just isn't a smart use of cap resources.


I'm not advocating doing the deal without the pick #1. #2 They are inarguably better on the court with Wiggins + say Lonzo Ball. 2 for 65 WITH the pick is the only math that matters, but Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court. If you feel otherwise I don't know what else there is to say. He's a superior player to other players on the roster who are playing the minutes he would be playing.
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chopperhatch : 4/14/2021 4:09 pm : link
In comment 15220813 Enzo said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.


and why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins?

In your fantasy land scenario, the pick makes Wiggins' contract easier to swallow - but 2/65 for a non all-star that doesn't address our biggest needs (and plays the same position as RJ) just isn't a smart use of cap resources.


So you would rather start Bullock over Wiggons?

Sorry, but if we can afford it, I take wiggins/Barrett as our 2/3 over Bullock any day. Wiggins is shooting almost 49%FG, can finish at the rim and is over 38 from 3. He wouldbe a great add for 2 years.
RE: RE: RE: They  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 4:22 pm : link
In comment 15220834 DanMetroMan said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.


and why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins?

In your fantasy land scenario, the pick makes Wiggins' contract easier to swallow - but 2/65 for a non all-star that doesn't address our biggest needs (and plays the same position as RJ) just isn't a smart use of cap resources.



I'm not advocating doing the deal without the pick #1. #2 They are inarguably better on the court with Wiggins + say Lonzo Ball. 2 for 65 WITH the pick is the only math that matters, but Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court. If you feel otherwise I don't know what else there is to say. He's a superior player to other players on the roster who are playing the minutes he would be playing.

again, why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins' contract?

I can name a bunch of players superior to players on our roster that we can acquire via unrealistic trades. Maybe we can start some other threads to discuss? Should be fun!
Not  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 4:24 pm : link
really clear why you have such an attitude about this, nor do I generally start trade idea threads but keep ranting if it makes you feel better.
RE: RE: RE: They  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 4:30 pm : link
In comment 15220835 chopperhatch said:
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have 60 million (or so to spend) and would be getting either a strong pick this year (top 3 protected) or the Wolves 2022 pick (who knows?). They still would have more than enough money to sign a "premium" (Lonzo, Trent etc) FA to pair with the Wiggins addition. The Knicks are pretty clearly a legit playoff team with Wiggins/Lonzo, the current core AND their own 2 firsts (not to mention potentially a very high Wolves pick). Those picks would also allow you to potentially trade for another good player.


and why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins?

In your fantasy land scenario, the pick makes Wiggins' contract easier to swallow - but 2/65 for a non all-star that doesn't address our biggest needs (and plays the same position as RJ) just isn't a smart use of cap resources.



So you would rather start Bullock over Wiggons?

Sorry, but if we can afford it, I take wiggins/Barrett as our 2/3 over Bullock any day. Wiggins is shooting almost 49%FG, can finish at the rim and is over 38 from 3. He wouldbe a great add for 2 years.

well we can "afford" it...but do we want to? Wiggins is better than Bullock, but is he good enough to justify his cap hit the next 2 seasons? If he was consistently an above average 3 pt shooter, the contract doesn't hurt as much, but for the vast majority of his career he's been below average. I'd rather just go with Burks at 1/3 the cost.
RE: Not  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 4:33 pm : link
In comment 15220847 DanMetroMan said:
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really clear why you have such an attitude about this, nor do I generally start trade idea threads but keep ranting if it makes you feel better.

again, why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins' contract?



That’s the only way they could move  
Carl in CT : 4/14/2021 4:36 pm : link
Salary off their books (onto ours) so they could get KL on their roster if he wanted to play there. They would still need to do more. We our one of a few teams that could absorb his contract. Others would have to trade player for player as they are up against the cap which we are not.
RE: RE: Not  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 4:36 pm : link
In comment 15220860 Enzo said:
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In comment 15220847 DanMetroMan said:


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really clear why you have such an attitude about this, nor do I generally start trade idea threads but keep ranting if it makes you feel better.


again, why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins' contract?




To free up room to chase better players. Curry/Klay/Green (though he'd likely be moved too) aren't getting any younger. You've repeatedly noted how overpaid Wiggins is, how he's not worth anywhere near his money aka to move such an albatross they would have to include an asset.
One more year of Noah  
Carl in CT : 4/14/2021 4:56 pm : link
Next year $6m! Then finally done. It seems like it’s been 20 years.
RE: RE: RE: Not  
Enzo : 4/14/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15220871 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15220860 Enzo said:


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In comment 15220847 DanMetroMan said:


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really clear why you have such an attitude about this, nor do I generally start trade idea threads but keep ranting if it makes you feel better.


again, why the Warriors are including a lottery pick to dump Wiggins' contract?






To free up room to chase better players. Curry/Klay/Green (though he'd likely be moved too) aren't getting any younger. You've repeatedly noted how overpaid Wiggins is, how he's not worth anywhere near his money aka to move such an albatross they would have to include an asset.

Congrats on finally realizing just unloading Wiggins doesn't help them with the cap. So now they have to unload both Wiggins AND Green without taking any money back so that they can chase an impact player. How is that happening? he kicker is that even if they do that, they STILL wouldn't have max cap room (based on a $115 million cap).
Why don't  
Jon in NYC : 4/14/2021 5:24 pm : link
we just go out and sign Kawhi ourselves?
RE: Why don't  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 5:26 pm : link
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we just go out and sign Kawhi ourselves?


The claim is he won't leave Cali. That even Riley was licking his chops but is now convinced that Leonard wants to stay close to "home"
Top 3 protected pick  
PaulBlakeTSU : 4/14/2021 5:31 pm : link
for those wondering

Minnesota has the worst record in the NBA. The bottom 3 teams in the league each have a 40.1% chance of having a Top 3 pick.

4th worst record is 36.6% (3.5 games ahead of Minny)
5th worst record 31.5% (6 games ahead of Minny).

For all intents and purposes, if the Knicks were to get Minnesota's 2021 Draft pick, there's only a 60% chance that they would actually get the draft pick.
RE: Top 3 protected pick  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 5:34 pm : link
In comment 15220928 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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for those wondering

Minnesota has the worst record in the NBA. The bottom 3 teams in the league each have a 40.1% chance of having a Top 3 pick.

4th worst record is 36.6% (3.5 games ahead of Minny)
5th worst record 31.5% (6 games ahead of Minny).

For all intents and purposes, if the Knicks were to get Minnesota's 2021 Draft pick, there's only a 60% chance that they would actually get the draft pick.


Completely unprotected in 2022.
RE: One more year of Noah  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/14/2021 5:36 pm : link
In comment 15220893 Carl in CT said:
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Next year $6m! Then finally done. It seems like it’s been 20 years.


The Knicks have made some bad signings, but that has to be among the 2 or 3 worst. Phil’s weed must’ve been laced with something in order to think that was a good idea.
RE: RE: One more year of Noah  
DanMetroMan : 4/14/2021 5:37 pm : link
In comment 15220935 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Next year $6m! Then finally done. It seems like it’s been 20 years.



The Knicks have made some bad signings, but that has to be among the 2 or 3 worst. Phil’s weed must’ve been laced with something in order to think that was a good idea.


People on here could not believe it was possibly true that the Knicks would give anywhere near that deal (4 for 72). It seemed so inflated that it had to be wrong. Nope.
That offseason was crazy  
nygiants16 : 4/14/2021 5:56 pm : link
I remember when Wade was leaving Miami, Melo said he could of gotten Wade to sign witb NY, but instead Phil went with Lee..

would Rose, Wade, Melo, KP, Noah been any different?
Knicks will have about 61 million to spend this off season  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2021 7:05 pm : link
NBA needs to do FA before the draft but in any case the biggest need is a PG.
Where the Knicks are picking you are not getting a rookie impact PG.
So you need to go hard for Lonzo.
Still leaves you 40 million to fill the roster.
Derozen would be a good signing and fit right in with this team.
I would resign Noel and let Robinson play out the option next year.
Let Mitch become unrestricted in
2022.
RJ
Randle
Mitch/Noel
Derozen
Lonzo
Is a top 4 roster in the east and we still have a ton of picks over the next few years.

No game thread?  
larryflower37 : 4/14/2021 8:07 pm : link
I am superstitious so no way I am starting it!!!
Randle Revenge Tour continues.  
bceagle05 : 4/14/2021 8:13 pm : link
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Wiggins  
TyreeHelmet : 4/15/2021 9:55 am : link
This trade is beyond a no brainer for the Knicks. Some posters on here don't realize how valuable that Minny pick is. You are either guaranteed the 4th or 5th pick this year or a fully unprotected 2022 1st round pick. If you use it or trade, that is one of the most valuable available assets in the league right now.

And as others have noted- Wiggins can help this team. Of course he's overpaid but its only for 2 years.

I would try to squeeze more out of Golden State or take a run at Leonard themselves- but I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Incredible trade for the Knicks and if the Warriors can Leonard out of it- can't blame them either.
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