NFT: Knicks Chat: Trade for Wiggins?

Why would Kawhi leave the Clips?

Anything to get more top-of-the draft picks to add to this core is how we should be looking.

In comment 15220231 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Why would Kawhi leave the Clips?

Why wouldn't he? The whole claim was he wanted to be in Cali, not that he had to play for tyhe Clippers. Curry, Thompson, Leonard, Green, Wiseman... that team can challenge for the title.

"Kawhi Leonard’s future with the Los Angeles Clippers hinges on how deep of a Playoff run the Clips venture into this postseason. With the way Steve Balmer has forsaken the Clippers’ future by giving away all of their picks to acquire Paul Goerge and Rajon Rondo, it seems as though they are in ‘championship or bust’ mode.

According to Evan Massey of ESPN and Yahoo, the Golden State Warriors will look into signing the 2x Finals MVP if he were to become an unrestricted free agent in the summer of ‘22. "

To win on the clips. Add him and Klay next year and they could make a serious run next year

Ball, Wiggins, Rj, Randle, Mitch..Not bad

I'm the Knicks I'm all over this if possible. TBH, while completely overpaid, Wiggins would help next years team in talent alone.


Adding Wiggins, the 2 firsts we already have, 2nd we already have in addition to the Wolves picks (either both this year, or one this year and one next) that would be pretty exciting.

Let's say GSs pick is 12, then you're talking about something like Corey Kispert or Johnny Juzang.

I'd rather Lonzo Ball (4y, 22mm per) and Gary Trent (4y, 15mm per) via FA

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Wiggins + Kispert.

Plus we already have 2 mid first rounders.

I missed that it was the Wolves pick, not Warriors

Kawhi doesn't strike me as someone who would want to join a 'super team'. He could have done that with the Lakers & LBJ/AD in the summer of '19.

As for Wiggins, sure.

In comment 15220261 NYG22 said:

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Let's say GSs pick is 12, then you're talking about something like Corey Kispert or Johnny Juzang. I'd rather Lonzo Ball (4y, 22mm per) and Gary Trent (4y, 15mm per) via FA than Wiggins + Kispert. Plus we already have 2 mid first rounders.

Raptors would match that Trent contract in a second

& count me in the camp that wants us to make a serious run at Lonzo this summer. He'd be a perfect fit.

In comment 15220268 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Kawhi doesn't strike me as someone who would want to join a 'super team'. He could have done that with the Lakers & LBJ/AD in the summer of '19. As for Wiggins, sure.

He was going to if Clippers didnt trade for PG

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In comment 15220264 NYG22 said:

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I missed that it was the Wolves pick, not Warriors

Yeah. The Wolves pick is top 3 protected this season, no protection for 2022.

In comment 15220274 Greg from LI said:

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The Knicks can absorb his entire salary.

Would have to do sign and trade with clippers there is no way they could sign Kawhi outright with steph, klay and Draymond contracts. Therefore this would not be possible because Clippers would want Minny pick plus more to make this happen.

trade Wiggins and don't take back any salary, they still don't have room to sign Kawhi.

is going to cost close to 20 per (if not more) to steal him. He turned down 4 for 58 from Portland... and then blew up. Going to have to make the Raptors wince to have a shot to land him.

I feel like I missing something here

In comment 15220284 Greg from LI said:

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I feel like I missing something here

They don't have to trade salary to take back salary. They have the cap room to take on Wiggins without sending "anything" back.

The Knicks could do this and add another max.
Picks are great if we can move them for players or package to move up in the draft.
The Knicks are not adding 3 or 4 rookies to this roster.

"The New York Knicks are one of the few teams flush with cap space this offseason, and they are reportedly letting teams know they are willing to use that cap space to take on a bad contract to acquire assets, per Ian Begley of SNY.

What this means: Knicks fans rejoice! The concept of using cap space to absorb a bad contract in exchange for draft picks is something many fans have been clamoring for on #KnicksTwitter for years. This latest report suggests that team president Leon Rose is open to the idea.

Begley notes in his report that the Knicks would presumably look to fetch another draft pick and young player as incentive for acquiring an “undesirable” contract."

In comment 15220289 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15220284 Greg from LI said: Quote: I feel like I missing something here They don't have to trade salary to take back salary. They have the cap room to take on Wiggins without sending "anything" back.

but that still doesn't get them anywhere near the cap space necessary to sign Leonard. The rumor doesn't make any sense.

Also, whoever Evan Massey is, he is not "of ESPN and Yahoo". He's currently with "NBA Analysis Network"...whatever the fuck that is.

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fairness, he doesn't claim he works for them, he said he's contributed and he's verified and followed by other NBA writers

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In comment 15220311 Greg from LI said:

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None. They would get the picks to take on Wiggins remaining money.

They are going to have to get rid of Draymond and probably Wiseman as well to get enough room

OK

In comment 15220313 DanMetroMan said:

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fairness, he doesn't claim he works for them, he said he's contributed and he's verified and followed by other NBA writers Evan Massey @massey_evan Featured on Forbes, ESPN, Yahoo!, Fox Sports, SI, B/R. Owner, @HoopAnalysisNet , @NFLAnalysisNet , @IndyCoverage . Contact: emasseysports@gmail.com

but whatever nonsense source you quoted earlier said "According to Evan Massey of ESPN and Yahoo" (like you can work for both at the same time, lol).

There's a whole echo chamber of NBA "writers" who throw out nonsense rumors which then get retweeted and picked up by aggregators and spun as "news".

Back in the real world, the Warriors won't be dumping Wiggins along with picks to clear room for a max player because they'd still be over the cap.

If they want to get involved with any free agents this summer for more than the MLE, it would have to be via sign-and-trade. And event that might be difficult to pull off under the cap apron.

I don't think he makes sense next to Barrett/Randle. He's good for 18-20 empty points a game and not much else.

If we made this deal we would have 3 first and 3 seconds in the 2021 draft.
Unless we package a ton of picks for Beal or Lavine. (Or my dream scenario D. Mitchell).
We need to act quick because Thibs is not walking into next season with a bench of all 2nd and 1st year players.

Clippers aren’t going to sign and trade him for nothing after trading away 4 picks for him. It’s going to cost at minimum

Wiseman
Minny pick
2021 GS pick
Wiggins which cost more to give up
Another future first

this guy OKC randomly signed is pretty good (Gabriel Deck) from Argentina (4 years 14.5 million). I wouldn't hate seeing the Knicks start making moves like this. Remember when they randomly signed Randolph Morris? lol

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is he a great fit? no. Is he not worth his salary? Duh. You do it for the pick. Like im not taking Wiggins without getting something back, obviously. This would give us a crazy amount of ammo when the next star hits the trade market or at worst it gives us a few chances to draft another stud.

That said i concur there is no way this happens, dont see how GSW can sign leonard even if they gut everything on the roster except the original trio.

But Kawhi could say he 100% won’t extend with LAC so they can get something for him or lose him for 0. Wiggins is still only 25 so if Knicks could take on assets for him and only 2 years, why not. He’s not a super star but he’s a very good player. If Barrett goes to the 2 full time, it could work out. Won’t make the Knicks worse.

In comment 15220290 larryflower37 said:

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The Knicks could do this and add another max. Picks are great if we can move them for players or package to move up in the draft. The Knicks are not adding 3 or 4 rookies to this roster.

Agreed. I have little doubt that the KNicks are trading quantity for quality this coming off-season and for numerous reasons. First off the Knicks need star power and they have a bunch of young players and picks already. And Thibs isn't a fan of a big rotation.

I'd do this deal. Kind of think Wiggins could be a good defensive player if he's in the right spot.

the Knicks just try to sign Leonard :D

That Minny pick is going to be amazing, but that Wiggins contract is a killer for the next couple of years.

I think doing that deal would be a no brainer, but the one thing that gives me pause is it's going to make a weird timeline for the team where Randle will be the elder statesman of the group and the young players would be RJ, Minny pick, Quickley, etc.

IF you go that route, you're basically praying that the pick is a star player because in the next couple of years you have to sign Randle to the max, look at giving Mitch and maybe Noel deals.

That Wiggins contract would def be tradeable next year.

In comment 15220294 DanMetroMan said:

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"The New York Knicks are one of the few teams flush with cap space this offseason, and they are reportedly letting teams know they are willing to use that cap space to take on a bad contract to acquire assets, per Ian Begley of SNY.

Thibs is gonna murder Brock Aller in cold blood.

have to believe this season if anything puts the Knicks back on the radar for decent FA's. If they can't land good FA in the next year or 2 then we are screwed either way (barring ridiculous draft luck)..

and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman

RJ as a natural 3? Feel like a PG or SG would be the priority

He and Thibs have both said nice things about each other since they've parted. I kinda could see this happen. He'll never be worth that contract, but Wiggins is a valuable player who's improved this year.

is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money.

I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.

In comment 15220668 Ten Ton Hammer said:

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is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money. I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off.

Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court as well. He's overpaid but let's not pretend he's trash. He'd be at worst their third-best player come opening night.


47% from the field, 38% from 3, 5 rebounds.

14.6 PER, .065 WS/48

Knicks roster is better with Andrew Wiggins than without. It's also been widely accepted his defense has been SIGNIFICANTLY better this season to the point he's getting high praise for it.

"Wiggins’ defensive metrics are all in a better place than in recent years. His ESPN Defensive Real Plus-Minus is 1.36, good enough for No. 9 among players listed as small forwards and by far the best mark of Wiggins’ career."

In comment 15220527 DanMetroMan said:

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and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman

That's the team I fear getting Lonzo. They need a point too.

In comment 15220733 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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In comment 15220527 DanMetroMan said: Quote: and Bulls expected to be the "top" teams in on Ball and NO unlikely to match anything over 20 per Berman That's the team I fear getting Lonzo. They need a point too.

According to multiple reports they made an "aggressive" bid for him via trade so it's safe to assume they will be hot for him.

In comment 15220724 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 15220668 Ten Ton Hammer said: Quote: is that the Knicks should be actively trying to improve this roster, not sitting in a holding pattern with a bad contract soaking up all their money. I would be okay with this if the Knicks had no future on the horizon, but this season shows they're not that far off. Wiggins makes the Knicks a better team on the court as well. He's overpaid but let's not pretend he's trash. He'd be at worst their third-best player come opening night. 47% from the field, 38% from 3, 5 rebounds. 14.6 PER, .065 WS/48

I admittedly haven't seen enough of him to have an opinion of how good he's been, but is the addition he'd make so much so that it's worth taking on that contract? Because the money you give him is money you can't spend elsewhere of course. It's not as if they're one player away.

Would be a huge haul this off season.
Wiggins is only 26 years old and would give you 3 legit scoring threats.
With Randle being the oldest starter at 27.
Sign me up!