Every year Locked On Draft has beat reporters pick for their teams. The assignment is to pick who they think the team should select. They do two teams a day. The first ten went like this:
1. Jax - Lawrence
2. NYJ - Wilson
3. SFO - Fields
4. Atl - Lance
5. Cin - Chase
6. Mia - Pitts
7. Det - Waddle
8. Car - Sewell
9. Den - Owusu-Koramoah
10. Dal - Surtain
And with Devonta Smith and Parsons still on the board Pat Traina takes...
Rashawn Slater
I actually think I agree with her. I am not as high on Smith as many on here, who by the way was selected next by the Eagles reporter. I mean I think he's great but not blue chip. I like the idea of fixing this damn line once and for all.
The next few picks went like this by the way.
11. NYG - Slater
12. Phi - Smith
13. SD - Darrisaw
14. Min - Paye
The podcast where Giants pick is linked below.
2021 Guest Mock Draft Picks 11 & 12 (Giants, Eagles) With Patricia Traina & Sheil Kapadia - (
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What are some of the first words Judge said when named HC. "I believe the team should be representative of this area." Something along those lines but the emphasis was toughness. Parsons very well may be the piece that brings the D to the next level. That will take precedent with the number of WR's being produced every year.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
If you can't protect your QB...what is the point of Smith? What good was OBJ for the Giants? Our record with Barkley? If the Giants are confident they have the OL situation in hand...then fine. But they better be right.
Actually I agree. I was simply making the point of relative value. My preference (which admittedly changes frequently) would be Parsons or Paye because of the drop-off in talent at Edge and LB after Round 2. In fact, I've really warmed to the idea of Edge/LB at #11 and #42, and then OL/WR at #76 and #116. Obviously that gets thrown out depending who falls to us, but because of the cluster of talent for a day 2 or 3 WR and OL, it appears that the greater value in the early rounds are at those two positions (Edge and LB) unless you really can grab a steal.
eh slater isnt as sexy but imo he is WAY less risky than smith.
I think we are using WR as a smoke screen with the exception of chase or pitts. i also dont get people wanting surtain, to me its an awful allocation of resources. we have two young corners who are solid players. we need an immediate starter if we are going for it this year and next. surtain isnt that. smith could be because slayton can be slide down the depth chart without an issue as could shepard.
My guess is its
chase(wont be there), pitts(wont be there), sewell(wont be there), slater, parsons, ojulari at 11.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.
Spot on. It’s a weak draft for D in the top half of the first. Parsons and Phillips are the only 2 players in my mind who would be top 7 or 8 picks if it weren’t for character concerns and the year off with Parsons and the concussions with Phillips. I like Surtain but how many defensive backs can we put on the field at one time? Right now we have arguably four starting quality corners and 3 starting quality safeties.
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.
Fair enough. But past is prologue.
In the last fifty years, the Giants have selected three linebackers in the first round: 1) Carl Banks (1984); 2) LT (1981) and 3) Brad van Pelt (1973). One Hall of Famer and two All-Pro near hall of famers.
Over the same period, they have selected eight pass catchers in the first round: 1) Evan Engram (2017); 2) OBJ (2014); 3) Hakeem Nicks (2009); 4) Jeremy Shockey (2002); 5) Ike Hilliard (1997); 6) Thomas Lewis (1994); 7) Derek Brown (1992); and 8) Mark Ingram (1987). Three busts (Lewis, Brown and Engram); three nice players who were solid contributors (Ingram, Hilliard and Nicks); and two All-Pro players (OBJ and Shockey). None are or will be in the hall of fame and it is interesting to note that the only two All-Pro players were both selfish divas who were booted from the team during their prime.
As much as I can understand the push for Smith and Waddle, if a linebacker of Parson’s talent is sitting there, you have to take him. I get the character issue, but the last time we had a problem with the character of a first round talent, we passed on Laremy Tunsil for that shiny object Eli Apple. If ever there was a disastrous miscalculation on character, it was that decision. Trumped only perhaps by the miscalculation on DeAndre Baker's character two years ago.
Just hoping the Giants don’t make the same mistake again.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
Charles Rogers (RIP) was super talented but had a string of collarbone fractures in his first few years in the NFL that I’ve never seen before. Griffin was hurt too if I remember correctly.
Smith is a monster. He literally played every WR position in that Championship game and returned punts. He had 200+ yards and 3 TD’s in one half of play. He’s going to be a terrific NFL player.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
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same situation.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.
This mock shows the risk of a trade down. At #11, the Giant have their choice of D Smith, Slater, Paye and Darrisaw. A trade down with, say New England at #15, would see some great players go off the board.
Also, people talking about WR depth, well most of the experts think this draft has a great depth on OL so there's that. After the top 3 wrs, there's a drop-off.
That gap is wider than Slater to the next OL.
We can always draft quality OL in 2nd or 3rd round. We gotta pick BPA at 11, and I think that's Smith.
If we hit on OL this team improves drastically. The D is good enough and the O is being held back by the OL. We lost OL players with no replacement. Its pretty clear there needs to be an add on the OL in the 1st or 2nd. Our WR unit is better than last season and the depth of this
draft is at WR.
If the grades are there I go OL.
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same situation.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.
Agreed, if it wasn’t for the foot issue I would actually prefer Waddle over Smith. I would be happy with us selecting either receiver at 11.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
Most? I prefer Waddle to Smith but I am not an expert nor in the majority many are concerned with Waddle's ankle. . The only knock on Smith is his weight and I am not bothered by that at all. He played against corners that will be drafted in the first round, they knew the ball was going to Smith in BIG games and Smith DOMINATED them anyway. His play is beautiful, he is an artist on the field. Football Silk. Marvin Harrison.
I wouldn't complain if they pick Smith. It will be exciting to watch and anticipate. I think I prefer Waddle and Slater, but I won't bitch about adding Smith or Parsons.
Then work on the OL, get another corner and an edge rusher, and worry about RB and more depth on both lines on day 3.
Unless the Giants get a "King's Ransom" in a trade down and still get a clear top 10 player, a big group will be unhappy.
And there's no doubt he'll have the whole thing clocked with Saban, Holmon Wiggins and David Balou. If he's there at 11, you take him.
And there's no doubt he'll have the whole thing clocked with Saban, Holmon Wiggins and David Balou. If he's there at 11, you take him.
That is a lot of muscle for someone his size. People have a limit they can add muscle. I think people over estimate how much muscle pro players can add especially in a very intense program like Alabama. Now strength is a different story.
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on virtually anything Traina has to say about pretty much everything. That said, there's a real possibility that Smith benefits from a pro S&C regimen, nutrition program and complete lifestyle change from being a college student. Another 5-10 pounds would do him a lot of good without compromising the ability to use his athleticism. Plus, according to pretty much everyone, he's a very hard worker so the character question - something big on Judge's list - has the needle pointing up.
And there's no doubt he'll have the whole thing clocked with Saban, Holmon Wiggins and David Balou. If he's there at 11, you take him.
That is a lot of muscle for someone his size. People have a limit they can add muscle. I think people over estimate how much muscle pro players can add especially in a very intense program like Alabama. Now strength is a different story.
I mean, he's 6'1" so his frame can take a bit more bulk. Not a ton - but 7-8 pounds right in the middle - would make some difference and not compromise what he's good at. A pro S&C team will put him right where he needs to be.
Clearly. Though the blocking thing is going to be a work in process thing at the next level.
But putting him in motion and clearing out one side of the field with as many defenders he can take with him will be helpful if Barkley can regain his generational speed...
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
You know Eli will be in the hall of fame right
He's from Bama, that's as close to pro as it gets
The current starting guards are Shane Lemieux and Will Hernandez. And the presumptive starting RT is a 2nd year late third round pick out of uconn who is unproven. The OL needs good players
The current starting guards are Shane Lemieux and Will Hernandez. And the presumptive starting RT is a 2nd year late third round pick out of uconn who is unproven. The OL needs good players
Gettleman has pretty much said Peart is the presumptive starter at RT which I for one am happy with. I sure like Solder as a swing with a year off.
I do believe they will grab a OG. If Gates goes down, Lemieux maybe shifts to C, and hopefully we'll still be good at that spot. Even Gates could play either Guard or RT in a pinch. A 2nd or 3rd round OG could really give them options. But I don't want Slayer with any of Smith, Waddle, or Parsons still on the board, and I believe it's a near certainty one of them will be.
I would've taken Donald and said so at the time.
I think if either Smith or Pitts is still on the board at #11, that's the pick. Though I doubt either is.
If not, I've got a sneaking feeling it might be Kwity Paye. Talent meets need with explosive potential to be a game changer, while still having a high floor.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
Parsons IS The Shiny Object... I think it's real Gold
Gettleman has pretty much said Peart is the presumptive starter at RT which I for one am happy with.
Why would we be okay with not even the idea of competition at RT?
What did Peart do last year that suggests he should just be handed the job?
Not to mention that wrt Slater it's moot since he can't even play his college position in the nfl.
The way some of you guys are talking about him you would swear he's Bobby Wagner.