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Pat Traina picks for Giants in beat reporter mock-She takes?

Producer : 4/14/2021 2:23 pm
Every year Locked On Draft has beat reporters pick for their teams. The assignment is to pick who they think the team should select. They do two teams a day. The first ten went like this:


1. Jax - Lawrence
2. NYJ - Wilson
3. SFO - Fields
4. Atl - Lance
5. Cin - Chase
6. Mia - Pitts
7. Det - Waddle
8. Car - Sewell
9. Den - Owusu-Koramoah
10. Dal - Surtain

And with Devonta Smith and Parsons still on the board Pat Traina takes...

Rashawn Slater

I actually think I agree with her. I am not as high on Smith as many on here, who by the way was selected next by the Eagles reporter. I mean I think he's great but not blue chip. I like the idea of fixing this damn line once and for all.

The next few picks went like this by the way.

11. NYG - Slater
12. Phi - Smith
13. SD - Darrisaw
14. Min - Paye

The podcast where Giants pick is linked below.
2021 Guest Mock Draft Picks 11 & 12 (Giants, Eagles) With Patricia Traina & Sheil Kapadia - ( New Window )
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ugh  
JonC : 4/14/2021 2:24 pm : link
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Missing out..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/14/2021 2:26 pm : link
on Smith and having Philly pick him would be sub-optimal.

Fortunately is history holds, that pick will be way off from what we actually do.
Smith  
Thegratefulhead : 4/14/2021 2:26 pm : link
Is the pick there, she craaaaazy. Smith is effortless.
Not going to happen  
jvm52106 : 4/14/2021 2:26 pm : link
if Smith is there. I could see the Giants trading down to a team who overpays to move up but Slater over Smith would be a bad call.

This is coming from a guy who is very leery of picking Smith by the way. But, Smith is the bigger upside, home run than Slater for sure.
I think it would be Smith  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/14/2021 2:27 pm : link
in that scenario
Just seems like horrible  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 2:27 pm : link
value at 11 with the young players we have now and the skill set of the Guards that are expected to be available at 42.
Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2021 2:29 pm : link
This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Smith or Waddle going to Philly  
Simms11 : 4/14/2021 2:32 pm : link
would be awful! I think Philly needs to also solidify their Oline. If we don’t grab Slater or V Tucker, I think Philly might go that route as well however.
Really like Slater as a player but that pick  
Jimmy Googs : 4/14/2021 2:33 pm : link
has to be Smith if still on the board...
RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
Producer : 4/14/2021 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.


Yes I agree. And let's not forget this is a very deep WR class and there is a cluster of guys who will be there in round 2 who might be as good as Smith.
RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 2:34 pm : link
In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.


Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.
RE: RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
Mike in NY : 4/14/2021 2:35 pm : link
In comment 15220693 Producer said:
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In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.



Yes I agree. And let's not forget this is a very deep WR class and there is a cluster of guys who will be there in round 2 who might be as good as Smith.


In the BBI Mock Draft because Bateman and Marshall were selected there was no WR in Smith's tier or the tier below on the board.
RE: ugh  
Big Blue '56 : 4/14/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15220664 JonC said:
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Just curious where your leanings are: If Parsons is the pick (as doubtful as some are) with Surtain, Smith, Waddle there at 11, are you ok with this, or, you rather have Sutain?
Surtain  
Big Blue '56 : 4/14/2021 2:37 pm : link
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RE: RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
Rjanyg : 4/14/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15220694 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.



Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.


Pretty much what I was going to say. Good Guards/Centers will be available in round 2. 11th overall for a Guard is not ideal.
Slater value  
AcesUp : 4/14/2021 2:46 pm : link
Allbright who is as plugged in as anybody in the league has him going 8 to the Panthers right now. He's being mocked anywhere from 8 to 15, we pick 12. I do understand having other preferences, the Bama WRs are very intriguing but absolutely nobody would be questioning value if the Giants elected to go Slater at 11.
Smith Slater or Parson  
Chip : 4/14/2021 2:49 pm : link
I am fine with any of them. There are going to be WR and Ol in the 2nd round who can be picked. Taking small guys early is risky.
RE: Slater value  
HMunster : 4/14/2021 2:54 pm : link
In comment 15220714 AcesUp said:
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Allbright who is as plugged in as anybody in the league has him going 8 to the Panthers right now. He's being mocked anywhere from 8 to 15, we pick 12. I do understand having other preferences, the Bama WRs are very intriguing but absolutely nobody would be questioning value if the Giants elected to go Slater at 11.

Respectfully disagree. Not absolute value but relative value. If you have a cluster of IOL's relatively close and can get one of them at #42, yet there is a clear drop off in talent from the top 4 pass catchers to the next group, then we absolutely can question the value of Slater (whom I love) at #11.
Parsons has to be the pick there...  
The Mike : 4/14/2021 2:58 pm : link
He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.

Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
HMunster  
AcesUp : 4/14/2021 3:02 pm : link
There's some real talent at WR on Day 2 and 3 as well. Rondale and Elijah Moore bring some of the same elements to the table. Eskridge and Dyami Brown as well. No idea what Tutu Atwells stock is, I've seen him all over, but he's a gadget/return guy that might not be as rounded but can add that element to the WR group. The draft is littered with these explosive types that bring shades of what you see with the Bama guys.
I am really warming to Smith at 11.  
chopperhatch : 4/14/2021 3:03 pm : link
Keep him on the outside and let him work the sidelines and the post. Guy avoids hits. He catches the ball and seemingly creates a ton of space.

Draftimg a Guard there with a target for Jones for 5 years would be a crime.
RE: RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 4/14/2021 3:04 pm : link
In comment 15220694 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.



Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.


If the offensive line is finally productive, and Golladay and Barkley are putting up numbers like you expect they are capable of, and Jones is showing up every week playing like a real starting QB, are you going to look back at where he was picked and worry if it was value? Honest question.

I won't. There will be plenty of other things to talk about at that point.


In that scenario the pick has to be Smith  
Go Terps : 4/14/2021 3:05 pm : link
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Slater would be a good pick  
jeff57 : 4/14/2021 3:07 pm : link
But taking him over Smith would be tough. Nonetheless, we need more help at OL than WR.
I will be surprised  
Lines of Scrimmage : 4/14/2021 3:07 pm : link
if they pass on Parsons if he is there and they are comfortable with the checks they did. Spencer will be very plugged in on him as he was his recruiter.

What are some of the first words Judge said when named HC. "I believe the team should be representative of this area." Something along those lines but the emphasis was toughness. Parsons very well may be the piece that brings the D to the next level. That will take precedent with the number of WR's being produced every year.
Its not that I dont like Slater and I could easily be wrong  
j_rud : 4/14/2021 3:10 pm : link
but Slater as a better prospect than Parsons, Smith, or even Paye is a tough, tough sell.
RE: Parsons has to be the pick there...  
allstarjim : 4/14/2021 3:13 pm : link
In comment 15220732 The Mike said:
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.

Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...


There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.
Waddle at 7?  
GFAN52 : 4/14/2021 3:14 pm : link
How about no way.
That Denver pick  
BSIMatt : 4/14/2021 3:16 pm : link
Is pretty unique.
Stick to your board  
JonC : 4/14/2021 3:18 pm : link
eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
RE: Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it  
AnnapolisMike : 4/14/2021 3:24 pm : link
In comment 15220677 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way

Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.

The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.


If you can't protect your QB...what is the point of Smith? What good was OBJ for the Giants? Our record with Barkley? If the Giants are confident they have the OL situation in hand...then fine. But they better be right.
DG likes potential Gold Jacket players with first pick.  
Blue21 : 4/14/2021 3:28 pm : link
Someone tell me is Slater a potential Gold Jacket? Is Smith. I'd bet on Smith before Slater being the pick.
RE: Stick to your board  
Thegratefulhead : 4/14/2021 3:29 pm : link
In comment 15220768 JonC said:
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
RE: HMunster  
HMunster : 4/14/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15220736 AcesUp said:
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There's some real talent at WR on Day 2 and 3 as well. Rondale and Elijah Moore bring some of the same elements to the table. Eskridge and Dyami Brown as well. No idea what Tutu Atwells stock is, I've seen him all over, but he's a gadget/return guy that might not be as rounded but can add that element to the WR group. The draft is littered with these explosive types that bring shades of what you see with the Bama guys.

Actually I agree. I was simply making the point of relative value. My preference (which admittedly changes frequently) would be Parsons or Paye because of the drop-off in talent at Edge and LB after Round 2. In fact, I've really warmed to the idea of Edge/LB at #11 and #42, and then OL/WR at #76 and #116. Obviously that gets thrown out depending who falls to us, but because of the cluster of talent for a day 2 or 3 WR and OL, it appears that the greater value in the early rounds are at those two positions (Edge and LB) unless you really can grab a steal.
The people here  
PaulN : 4/14/2021 3:33 pm : link
Who pick Smith ahead of Slater for this team are out if their minds. Slater gives us the missing piece to this offensive line and a player that would step in at right tackle and play great if Peart is not ready or not very good. This line must be fixed now, no longer can we wait. There will be plenty of wide recievers later in the draft.
RE: DG likes potential Gold Jacket players with first pick.  
BleedBlue : 4/14/2021 3:35 pm : link
In comment 15220777 Blue21 said:
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Someone tell me is Slater a potential Gold Jacket? Is Smith. I'd bet on Smith before Slater being the pick.



eh slater isnt as sexy but imo he is WAY less risky than smith.

I think we are using WR as a smoke screen with the exception of chase or pitts. i also dont get people wanting surtain, to me its an awful allocation of resources. we have two young corners who are solid players. we need an immediate starter if we are going for it this year and next. surtain isnt that. smith could be because slayton can be slide down the depth chart without an issue as could shepard.


My guess is its

chase(wont be there), pitts(wont be there), sewell(wont be there), slater, parsons, ojulari at 11.
RE: Parsons has to be the pick there...  
Rjanyg : 4/14/2021 3:43 pm : link
In comment 15220732 The Mike said:
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.

Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...


If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.
RE: RE: Stick to your board  
Producer : 4/14/2021 3:50 pm : link
In comment 15220779 Thegratefulhead said:
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.

There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.


There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?

Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
RE: RE: Parsons has to be the pick there...  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 3:51 pm : link
In comment 15220793 Rjanyg said:
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.

Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...



If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.


Spot on. It’s a weak draft for D in the top half of the first. Parsons and Phillips are the only 2 players in my mind who would be top 7 or 8 picks if it weren’t for character concerns and the year off with Parsons and the concussions with Phillips. I like Surtain but how many defensive backs can we put on the field at one time? Right now we have arguably four starting quality corners and 3 starting quality safeties.
would you take OBJ over Martin again?  
gtt350 : 4/14/2021 3:52 pm : link
same situation.
RE: RE: Parsons has to be the pick there...  
The Mike : 4/14/2021 3:53 pm : link
In comment 15220758 allstarjim said:
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In comment 15220732 The Mike said:


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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.

Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...



There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.


Fair enough. But past is prologue.

In the last fifty years, the Giants have selected three linebackers in the first round: 1) Carl Banks (1984); 2) LT (1981) and 3) Brad van Pelt (1973). One Hall of Famer and two All-Pro near hall of famers.

Over the same period, they have selected eight pass catchers in the first round: 1) Evan Engram (2017); 2) OBJ (2014); 3) Hakeem Nicks (2009); 4) Jeremy Shockey (2002); 5) Ike Hilliard (1997); 6) Thomas Lewis (1994); 7) Derek Brown (1992); and 8) Mark Ingram (1987). Three busts (Lewis, Brown and Engram); three nice players who were solid contributors (Ingram, Hilliard and Nicks); and two All-Pro players (OBJ and Shockey). None are or will be in the hall of fame and it is interesting to note that the only two All-Pro players were both selfish divas who were booted from the team during their prime.

As much as I can understand the push for Smith and Waddle, if a linebacker of Parson’s talent is sitting there, you have to take him. I get the character issue, but the last time we had a problem with the character of a first round talent, we passed on Laremy Tunsil for that shiny object Eli Apple. If ever there was a disastrous miscalculation on character, it was that decision. Trumped only perhaps by the miscalculation on DeAndre Baker's character two years ago.

Just hoping the Giants don’t make the same mistake again.
I could see Denver going  
Carl in CT : 4/14/2021 3:53 pm : link
PS there. Leaves Dallas with Smith, Slater, Parsons, or movement for QB.
RE: RE: RE: Stick to your board  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 3:54 pm : link
In comment 15220802 Producer said:
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In comment 15220768 JonC said:


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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.

There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.



There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?

Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.


Charles Rogers (RIP) was super talented but had a string of collarbone fractures in his first few years in the NFL that I’ve never seen before. Griffin was hurt too if I remember correctly.

Smith is a monster. He literally played every WR position in that Championship game and returned punts. He had 200+ yards and 3 TD’s in one half of play. He’s going to be a terrific NFL player.
Sewell  
AcidTest : 4/14/2021 3:56 pm : link
is the only OL I think the Giants would consider at #11. I'd be stunned if they pass on Smith for Slater.
RE: would you take OBJ over Martin again?  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 3:57 pm : link
In comment 15220804 gtt350 said:
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same situation.


Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
RE: RE: would you take OBJ over Martin again?  
Producer : 4/14/2021 4:01 pm : link
In comment 15220812 eric2425ny said:
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In comment 15220804 gtt350 said:


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same situation.



Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.


But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.
If The Giants Don't Go WR  
Trainmaster : 4/14/2021 4:03 pm : link
and if Surtain if off the board, I have no problem with the Slater pick.

This mock shows the risk of a trade down. At #11, the Giant have their choice of D Smith, Slater, Paye and Darrisaw. A trade down with, say New England at #15, would see some great players go off the board.
It has to be Smith  
Rave7 : 4/14/2021 4:07 pm : link
in that scenario, Slater is good but he is no Zack Martin, I don't know why people keep comparing him to Martin.
Also, people talking about WR depth, well most of the experts think this draft has a great depth on OL so there's that. After the top 3 wrs, there's a drop-off.
That gap is wider than Slater to the next OL.
We can always draft quality OL in 2nd or 3rd round. We gotta pick BPA at 11, and I think that's Smith.
If the grades are equal on Smith and Slater  
Rudy5757 : 4/14/2021 4:07 pm : link
who would you pick? I would go with the OL guy and take Slater for this team in a heartbeat. I havent done film on either guy so I cant really pick one over the other. I saw Smith and he looks good but something about him isnt special in what I have seen. I see very good not special but I would have to look more. And Slater by all accounts is a guy you can move inside but has the flexibility to play both which could be a great asset if we get an injury. We have no depth at OL.

If we hit on OL this team improves drastically. The D is good enough and the O is being held back by the OL. We lost OL players with no replacement. Its pretty clear there needs to be an add on the OL in the 1st or 2nd. Our WR unit is better than last season and the depth of this
draft is at WR.

If the grades are there I go OL.
RE: RE: RE: would you take OBJ over Martin again?  
eric2425ny : 4/14/2021 4:08 pm : link
In comment 15220819 Producer said:
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same situation.



Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.



But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.


Agreed, if it wasn’t for the foot issue I would actually prefer Waddle over Smith. I would be happy with us selecting either receiver at 11.
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