Every year Locked On Draft has beat reporters pick for their teams. The assignment is to pick who they think the team should select. They do two teams a day. The first ten went like this:
1. Jax - Lawrence
2. NYJ - Wilson
3. SFO - Fields
4. Atl - Lance
5. Cin - Chase
6. Mia - Pitts
7. Det - Waddle
8. Car - Sewell
9. Den - Owusu-Koramoah
10. Dal - Surtain
And with Devonta Smith and Parsons still on the board Pat Traina takes...
Rashawn Slater
I actually think I agree with her. I am not as high on Smith as many on here, who by the way was selected next by the Eagles reporter. I mean I think he's great but not blue chip. I like the idea of fixing this damn line once and for all.
The next few picks went like this by the way.
11. NYG - Slater
12. Phi - Smith
13. SD - Darrisaw
14. Min - Paye
The podcast where Giants pick is linked below.
2021 Guest Mock Draft Picks 11 & 12 (Giants, Eagles) With Patricia Traina & Sheil Kapadia - (
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Fortunately is history holds, that pick will be way off from what we actually do.
This is coming from a guy who is very leery of picking Smith by the way. But, Smith is the bigger upside, home run than Slater for sure.
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Yes I agree. And let's not forget this is a very deep WR class and there is a cluster of guys who will be there in round 2 who might be as good as Smith.
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Yes I agree. And let's not forget this is a very deep WR class and there is a cluster of guys who will be there in round 2 who might be as good as Smith.
In the BBI Mock Draft because Bateman and Marshall were selected there was no WR in Smith's tier or the tier below on the board.
Just curious where your leanings are: If Parsons is the pick (as doubtful as some are) with Surtain, Smith, Waddle there at 11, are you ok with this, or, you rather have Sutain?
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.
Pretty much what I was going to say. Good Guards/Centers will be available in round 2. 11th overall for a Guard is not ideal.
Respectfully disagree. Not absolute value but relative value. If you have a cluster of IOL's relatively close and can get one of them at #42, yet there is a clear drop off in talent from the top 4 pass catchers to the next group, then we absolutely can question the value of Slater (whom I love) at #11.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
Draftimg a Guard there with a target for Jones for 5 years would be a crime.
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This team did it's best work with a dependable, quality offensive line leading the way
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
Agree on the importance of the line. But is Slater good enough to warrant the #11 pick? It just seems like we could get a player close to as good as Slater at #42. I honestly don’t know a lot about Slater and am no offensive line expert so if they take him I’ll be his biggest fan.
If the offensive line is finally productive, and Golladay and Barkley are putting up numbers like you expect they are capable of, and Jones is showing up every week playing like a real starting QB, are you going to look back at where he was picked and worry if it was value? Honest question.
I won't. There will be plenty of other things to talk about at that point.
What are some of the first words Judge said when named HC. "I believe the team should be representative of this area." Something along those lines but the emphasis was toughness. Parsons very well may be the piece that brings the D to the next level. That will take precedent with the number of WR's being produced every year.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.
Yes, offensive weapons matter, but not if Jones is getting sacked another 40 times. Adding Golladay gives them the window to finish fixing the OL.
The offensive line makes passing and running better. Force multiplier, to borrow from another user's terminology.
If you can't protect your QB...what is the point of Smith? What good was OBJ for the Giants? Our record with Barkley? If the Giants are confident they have the OL situation in hand...then fine. But they better be right.
Actually I agree. I was simply making the point of relative value. My preference (which admittedly changes frequently) would be Parsons or Paye because of the drop-off in talent at Edge and LB after Round 2. In fact, I've really warmed to the idea of Edge/LB at #11 and #42, and then OL/WR at #76 and #116. Obviously that gets thrown out depending who falls to us, but because of the cluster of talent for a day 2 or 3 WR and OL, it appears that the greater value in the early rounds are at those two positions (Edge and LB) unless you really can grab a steal.
eh slater isnt as sexy but imo he is WAY less risky than smith.
I think we are using WR as a smoke screen with the exception of chase or pitts. i also dont get people wanting surtain, to me its an awful allocation of resources. we have two young corners who are solid players. we need an immediate starter if we are going for it this year and next. surtain isnt that. smith could be because slayton can be slide down the depth chart without an issue as could shepard.
My guess is its
chase(wont be there), pitts(wont be there), sewell(wont be there), slater, parsons, ojulari at 11.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
If you look at roster construction you try to pick BPA at position of need. We need a front 7 play maker with speed. Not many available at pick 11 EXCEPT Parsons.
Spot on. It’s a weak draft for D in the top half of the first. Parsons and Phillips are the only 2 players in my mind who would be top 7 or 8 picks if it weren’t for character concerns and the year off with Parsons and the concussions with Phillips. I like Surtain but how many defensive backs can we put on the field at one time? Right now we have arguably four starting quality corners and 3 starting quality safeties.
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He is clearly the best player available. Can't let shiny objects distract the right evaluation in terms of elevating this team. The Giants have been to five super bowls and have had a hall of famer on defense on each of those teams. Not a single offensive player is in the HOF from any of those teams. This team still lacks a talented leader on defense ala Carson, LT and Strahan.
Assuming the Giants are ok with Parson's character issues, this really isn't even close ...
There will be the next time the Giants win the Super Bowl.
Fair enough. But past is prologue.
In the last fifty years, the Giants have selected three linebackers in the first round: 1) Carl Banks (1984); 2) LT (1981) and 3) Brad van Pelt (1973). One Hall of Famer and two All-Pro near hall of famers.
Over the same period, they have selected eight pass catchers in the first round: 1) Evan Engram (2017); 2) OBJ (2014); 3) Hakeem Nicks (2009); 4) Jeremy Shockey (2002); 5) Ike Hilliard (1997); 6) Thomas Lewis (1994); 7) Derek Brown (1992); and 8) Mark Ingram (1987). Three busts (Lewis, Brown and Engram); three nice players who were solid contributors (Ingram, Hilliard and Nicks); and two All-Pro players (OBJ and Shockey). None are or will be in the hall of fame and it is interesting to note that the only two All-Pro players were both selfish divas who were booted from the team during their prime.
As much as I can understand the push for Smith and Waddle, if a linebacker of Parson’s talent is sitting there, you have to take him. I get the character issue, but the last time we had a problem with the character of a first round talent, we passed on Laremy Tunsil for that shiny object Eli Apple. If ever there was a disastrous miscalculation on character, it was that decision. Trumped only perhaps by the miscalculation on DeAndre Baker's character two years ago.
Just hoping the Giants don’t make the same mistake again.
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eg, I'd be surprised if Slater is graded above Smith.
There no possible way Slater is graded above Smith. Smith had one the best seasons in CFB history at WR, he got BETTER after Waddle went down against the best corners in the SEC. He played big, in big games. He could be number 1 on a few teams boards. He had a more dominant 2020 season at WR than Lawrence had at QB.
There is nobody who has Smith number one overall. Are you listening to what beat reporters are saying? Most have him as the third WR, never mind overall player. I think you are blinded by his college production and Heisman. A lot of these college stand outs fail. remember Archie Griffin? Charles White? Peter Warrick? Charles Rogers?
Better, productive prospects have been busts. There is a reason most think Smith will be there for the Giants.
Charles Rogers (RIP) was super talented but had a string of collarbone fractures in his first few years in the NFL that I’ve never seen before. Griffin was hurt too if I remember correctly.
Smith is a monster. He literally played every WR position in that Championship game and returned punts. He had 200+ yards and 3 TD’s in one half of play. He’s going to be a terrific NFL player.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
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same situation.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.
This mock shows the risk of a trade down. At #11, the Giant have their choice of D Smith, Slater, Paye and Darrisaw. A trade down with, say New England at #15, would see some great players go off the board.
Also, people talking about WR depth, well most of the experts think this draft has a great depth on OL so there's that. After the top 3 wrs, there's a drop-off.
That gap is wider than Slater to the next OL.
We can always draft quality OL in 2nd or 3rd round. We gotta pick BPA at 11, and I think that's Smith.
If we hit on OL this team improves drastically. The D is good enough and the O is being held back by the OL. We lost OL players with no replacement. Its pretty clear there needs to be an add on the OL in the 1st or 2nd. Our WR unit is better than last season and the depth of this
draft is at WR.
If the grades are there I go OL.
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same situation.
Smith to me is the anti-Beckham. From all accounts I have read he is a hard worker and the farthest thing from a diva you can get. OBJ had some diva moments in college but went full diva once he hit the NFL. That catch against Dallas ruined his career in my opinion. He drifted further and further toward diva world after that play made him a celebrity.
But just know Smith doesn't have OBJ's twitch and explosion. Waddle does. Smith doesn't. Smith is a great route runner and a fighter.
Agreed, if it wasn’t for the foot issue I would actually prefer Waddle over Smith. I would be happy with us selecting either receiver at 11.