others at risk, the Astros did get vaccinated (as a team, that of course doesn't mean that some guys didn't opt out). But it was less than 2 weeks before these guys got quarantined, so they would still be considered at risk of getting sick and/or being infectious to others.
The Yankees only got their shots a week ago, so they still have a week to go before they'd be fully-immunized and thus could still be vulnerable to an outbreak. I haven't seen any info about if/when/which wrt to the Astros.
I don’t get it either. How the fuck are some or even all of these pro teams not vaccinated yet, but I am??? Crazy shit... makes no sense .
maybe because its someone's right as a human being living in a free country to chose to or not to get vaccinated.
Oh, STFU. It's people like you that are slowing us down from getting this pandemic behind us.
People like me? I never mentioned whether or not I'm personally vaccinated nor my opinion as to whether or not they should be. Rather I expressed that it is they're right to chose to do so.
However, you seem to be of the thought that communism must be good since you obviously believe humans don't have the right to make their own medical decisions
However, you seem to be of the thought that communism must be good since you obviously believe humans don't have the right to make their own medical decisions
Among other things (I'm guessing many) you should learn a bit about communism.
However, you seem to be of the thought that communism must be good since you obviously believe humans don't have the right to make their own medical decisions
Among other things (I'm guessing many) you should learn a bit about communism.
that the opinion of letting grown adults make their own medical decisions for themselves is met with such triggered outrage.
Because those decisions affect all of us? Some people actually don't want to die for your imaginary freedom.
If you have a Pfizer vaccine, you will be 92% or whatever protected against COVID and 95% or whatever protected from getting it seriously.
My freedom is not imaginary. It is real. I choose to get the vaccine, but I don't believe I have a right to control what other people choose to do in terms of getting a vaccine or not. "Just shut up and trust the government and pharmaceutical companies" is not the position everyone takes. That is their right.
If the standard to control another's behavior is that it effects them, you can use that standard to control every aspect of everyone's life.
had asbestos in something innocuous in baby powder for decades that will cost them billions. That is not to speak of the many other times these pharmaceutical companies failed the public trust. But, yeah, people should blindly trust them.
that the opinion of letting grown adults make their own medical decisions for themselves is met with such triggered outrage.
Because those decisions affect all of us? Some people actually don't want to die for your imaginary freedom.
If you have a Pfizer vaccine, you will be 92% or whatever protected against COVID and 95% or whatever protected from getting it seriously.
My freedom is not imaginary. It is real. I choose to get the vaccine, but I don't believe I have a right to control what other people choose to do in terms of getting a vaccine or not. "Just shut up and trust the government and pharmaceutical companies" is not the position everyone takes. That is their right.
If the standard to control another's behavior is that it effects them, you can use that standard to control every aspect of everyone's life.
There is a certain irony that current restrictions that reduce freedoms now to try and save lives would be lifted if everyone got vaccinated. Vaccine refusal just prolongs the restrictions.
The issue at hand is that people who chose not to get vaccinated are vectors for public health issues. It's like smoking in public. I choose not to smoke, but I can't avoid someone else's second hand smoke, therefore smoking in public places is banned, but drinking is not. If unvaccinated people were only a health risks to themselves no one would give a shit whether they got vaccinated or not.
When your actions (not you personally, your generally) affect other people involuntarily it no longer becomes a personal freedom thing.
Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it’s not. You can opine that your small chance of getting sick, and even smaller chance of getting really sick, is justification for taking away the personal freedom and bodily autonomy of another person. I disagree with that opinion, but to argue that personal freedom is not involved is disingenuous
Was it confirmed above that these players did receive/accept a vaccine, but just may have been exposed within the window of effectiveness thereafter?
"Manager Dusty Baker said Wednesday that the five players currently in protocols have had "at least their first shots."
So, everyone go on and knock themselves out, but, these guys had no problem with receiving a vaccine shot, for the record. Also, as an aside: Communism - ( New Window )
RE: We needn't all jump into the same daily arguments
Was it confirmed above that these players did receive/accept a vaccine, but just may have been exposed within the window of effectiveness thereafter?
"Manager Dusty Baker said Wednesday that the five players currently in protocols have had "at least their first shots."
So, everyone go on and knock themselves out, but, these guys had no problem with receiving a vaccine shot, for the record. Also, as an aside: Communism - ( New Window )
Stop using logic. There's a reason a part of the country who hated trump still voted for him
Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it’s not. You can opine that your small chance of getting sick, and even smaller chance of getting really sick, is justification for taking away the personal freedom and bodily autonomy of another person. I disagree with that opinion, but to argue that personal freedom is not involved is disingenuous
Look up evolution. There's not one single virus that stays the same forever that you can get vaccinated once against and have lifetime immunity. Virus mutate. The most assured way of ensuring less people die, the economy opens, and life goes back to normalcy is to have everyone get vaccinated. Sorry your ignorance prevents you from wanting those things, but our government can make sure your ignorance doesn't stop it from happening either. You feel oppressed by that sentiment? Fuck you!
Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it’s not. You can opine that your small chance of getting sick, and even smaller chance of getting really sick, is justification for taking away the personal freedom and bodily autonomy of another person. I disagree with that opinion, but to argue that personal freedom is not involved is disingenuous
Look up evolution. There's not one single virus that stays the same forever that you can get vaccinated once against and have lifetime immunity. Virus mutate. The most assured way of ensuring less people die, the economy opens, and life goes back to normalcy is to have everyone get vaccinated. Sorry your ignorance prevents you from wanting those things, but our government can make sure your ignorance doesn't stop it from happening either. You feel oppressed by that sentiment? Fuck you!
Name-calling and cursing me out. Wow, you have really displayed your intelligence! It is hardly an ignorant position to allow people the freedom and autonomy over their own lives and of making their own medical decisions. Sorry that not everyone takes collectivism to those extremes
I did find it strange, though, how only very recently it appears the
When the story about the Yankees getting the vaccine came out a few weeks ago my absolute first thought was 'and my really unessential-to-society-ass is sitting over here in Queens all vacc'ed up.' I
I for one would have had no issue if players in these leagues, who one million percent are helping everyone get through this period, and who are out there around people everyday, were bumpped up a little higher in the queue than it seems they were.
And if that's cursing you out, grow a thicker skin.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
And if that's cursing you out, grow a thicker skin.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
Nice projection. The only one butthurt in this conversation is you. I'm perfectly fine with how things have gone down. Sorry you're willing to tolerate ignoramuses who are hellbent on subverting our society. But the reality check I'm offering is just smart policy.
And I didn't name call. Saying "you're ignorant" isn't name calling. Now if you said I insulted your position and that hurt you're feelings, you'd be right on the money.
And if that's cursing you out, grow a thicker skin.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
Nice projection. The only one butthurt in this conversation is you. I'm perfectly fine with how things have gone down. Sorry you're willing to tolerate ignoramuses who are hellbent on subverting our society. But the reality check I'm offering is just smart policy.
And I didn't name call. Saying "you're ignorant" isn't name calling. Now if you said I insulted your position and that hurt you're feelings, you'd be right on the money.
*your feelings
Ignorance is not knowing the difference between you’re and your. Why is it always those people that go around calling people ignorant that don’t agree with them the same people who can’t grasp third-grade grammar lessons?
Cool story though. Fail proof way to show you're really not butthurt: go after someone's grammar on something they're typing without proofing. Really got me there buddy.
Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it’s not. You can opine that your small chance of getting sick, and even smaller chance of getting really sick, is justification for taking away the personal freedom and bodily autonomy of another person. I disagree with that opinion, but to argue that personal freedom is not involved is disingenuous
It's a two way street tho. Exercising your right to not get vaccinated can limit what you can or cannot attend. It's like freedom of speech. Sure you can say what the hell you want, but it doesn't protect you from the consequences.
If private entities want to ban unvaccinated people from entering their premise, the un-vax can't complain about it because it's a consequence of them exercising their 'rights'.
I use that in quotes because in the history of diseases, i don't believe we've ever naturally reached herd immunity without the help of vaccines. So that's not a feasible plan, the only feasible plan is altruism, people getting vaccinated for the good of the entire population.
If private entities want to ban unvaccinated people from entering their premise, the un-vax can't complain about it because it's a consequence of them exercising their 'rights'.
I recall a week or so ago Cramer was being called a communist on Twitter for asking for vax proof at his restaurant. Some people's heels are firmly dug in on this.
Well done.
I hope they all come back healthy, and take a steady dose of fastballs in their ribs over the course of the season
Just saw their rates are very low...
I don’t get it either. How the fuck are some or even all of these pro teams not vaccinated yet, but I am??? Crazy shit... makes no sense .
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I mean, they must have access to vaccines. No?
I don’t get it either. How the fuck are some or even all of these pro teams not vaccinated yet, but I am??? Crazy shit... makes no sense .
maybe because its someone's right as a human being living in a free country to chose to or not to get vaccinated.
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I mean, they must have access to vaccines. No?
I don’t get it either. How the fuck are some or even all of these pro teams not vaccinated yet, but I am??? Crazy shit... makes no sense .
maybe because its someone's right as a human being living in a free country to chose to or not to get vaccinated.
Oh, STFU. It's people like you that are slowing us down from getting this pandemic behind us.
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since the state of Texas seems to be doing a bang up job with protocols.
Why, are they putting elderly Covid patients back in nursing homes? I hear that is done in some more enlightened states.
How would that affect ball players?
Oh, it wouldn't. You're just trying to get the thread deleted. Got it.
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I mean, they must have access to vaccines. No?
I don’t get it either. How the fuck are some or even all of these pro teams not vaccinated yet, but I am??? Crazy shit... makes no sense .
maybe because its someone's right as a human being living in a free country to chose to or not to get vaccinated.
Oh, STFU. It's people like you that are slowing us down from getting this pandemic behind us.
People like me? I never mentioned whether or not I'm personally vaccinated nor my opinion as to whether or not they should be. Rather I expressed that it is they're right to chose to do so.
However, you seem to be of the thought that communism must be good since you obviously believe humans don't have the right to make their own medical decisions
Among other things (I'm guessing many) you should learn a bit about communism.
It's like everything else right now in the country. If you don't agree w my point of view your a fool
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that the opinion of letting grown adults make their own medical decisions for themselves is met with such triggered outrage.
It's like everything else right now in the country. If you don't agree w my point of view your a fool
*You're. Derp
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However, you seem to be of the thought that communism must be good since you obviously believe humans don't have the right to make their own medical decisions
Among other things (I'm guessing many) you should learn a bit about communism.
https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/china-vaccine-law-passed/
china says hello
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that the opinion of letting grown adults make their own medical decisions for themselves is met with such triggered outrage.
Because those decisions affect all of us? Some people actually don't want to die for your imaginary freedom.
If you have a Pfizer vaccine, you will be 92% or whatever protected against COVID and 95% or whatever protected from getting it seriously.
My freedom is not imaginary. It is real. I choose to get the vaccine, but I don't believe I have a right to control what other people choose to do in terms of getting a vaccine or not. "Just shut up and trust the government and pharmaceutical companies" is not the position everyone takes. That is their right.
If the standard to control another's behavior is that it effects them, you can use that standard to control every aspect of everyone's life.
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that the opinion of letting grown adults make their own medical decisions for themselves is met with such triggered outrage.
Because those decisions affect all of us? Some people actually don't want to die for your imaginary freedom.
If you have a Pfizer vaccine, you will be 92% or whatever protected against COVID and 95% or whatever protected from getting it seriously.
My freedom is not imaginary. It is real. I choose to get the vaccine, but I don't believe I have a right to control what other people choose to do in terms of getting a vaccine or not. "Just shut up and trust the government and pharmaceutical companies" is not the position everyone takes. That is their right.
If the standard to control another's behavior is that it effects them, you can use that standard to control every aspect of everyone's life.
There is a certain irony that current restrictions that reduce freedoms now to try and save lives would be lifted if everyone got vaccinated. Vaccine refusal just prolongs the restrictions.
The issue at hand is that people who chose not to get vaccinated are vectors for public health issues. It's like smoking in public. I choose not to smoke, but I can't avoid someone else's second hand smoke, therefore smoking in public places is banned, but drinking is not. If unvaccinated people were only a health risks to themselves no one would give a shit whether they got vaccinated or not.
When your actions (not you personally, your generally) affect other people involuntarily it no longer becomes a personal freedom thing.
china says hello
If you're not even going to try, what's the point?
"Manager Dusty Baker said Wednesday that the five players currently in protocols have had "at least their first shots."
So, everyone go on and knock themselves out, but, these guys had no problem with receiving a vaccine shot, for the record.
Also, as an aside: Communism - ( New Window )
"Manager Dusty Baker said Wednesday that the five players currently in protocols have had "at least their first shots."
So, everyone go on and knock themselves out, but, these guys had no problem with receiving a vaccine shot, for the record. Also, as an aside: Communism - ( New Window )
Stop using logic. There's a reason a part of the country who hated trump still voted for him
Look up evolution. There's not one single virus that stays the same forever that you can get vaccinated once against and have lifetime immunity. Virus mutate. The most assured way of ensuring less people die, the economy opens, and life goes back to normalcy is to have everyone get vaccinated. Sorry your ignorance prevents you from wanting those things, but our government can make sure your ignorance doesn't stop it from happening either. You feel oppressed by that sentiment? Fuck you!
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Just because you say it isn’t doesn’t mean it’s not. You can opine that your small chance of getting sick, and even smaller chance of getting really sick, is justification for taking away the personal freedom and bodily autonomy of another person. I disagree with that opinion, but to argue that personal freedom is not involved is disingenuous
Look up evolution. There's not one single virus that stays the same forever that you can get vaccinated once against and have lifetime immunity. Virus mutate. The most assured way of ensuring less people die, the economy opens, and life goes back to normalcy is to have everyone get vaccinated. Sorry your ignorance prevents you from wanting those things, but our government can make sure your ignorance doesn't stop it from happening either. You feel oppressed by that sentiment? Fuck you!
Name-calling and cursing me out. Wow, you have really displayed your intelligence! It is hardly an ignorant position to allow people the freedom and autonomy over their own lives and of making their own medical decisions. Sorry that not everyone takes collectivism to those extremes
When the story about the Yankees getting the vaccine came out a few weeks ago my absolute first thought was 'and my really unessential-to-society-ass is sitting over here in Queens all vacc'ed up.' I
I for one would have had no issue if players in these leagues, who one million percent are helping everyone get through this period, and who are out there around people everyday, were bumpped up a little higher in the queue than it seems they were.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
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And if that's cursing you out, grow a thicker skin.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
Nice projection. The only one butthurt in this conversation is you. I'm perfectly fine with how things have gone down. Sorry you're willing to tolerate ignoramuses who are hellbent on subverting our society. But the reality check I'm offering is just smart policy.
And I didn't name call. Saying "you're ignorant" isn't name calling. Now if you said I insulted your position and that hurt you're feelings, you'd be right on the money.
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And if that's cursing you out, grow a thicker skin.
You did name-call and curse me out. You are the Karen who thinks he has the right to control others lives. Perhaps you need to grow a thicker skin and not get so butthurt when people don’t make the same decisions you did. And, for the record, I did get vaccinated. I made the decision based upon my personal situation. I don’t begrudge anyone who makes the same or a different decision based upon their situation
Nice projection. The only one butthurt in this conversation is you. I'm perfectly fine with how things have gone down. Sorry you're willing to tolerate ignoramuses who are hellbent on subverting our society. But the reality check I'm offering is just smart policy.
And I didn't name call. Saying "you're ignorant" isn't name calling. Now if you said I insulted your position and that hurt you're feelings, you'd be right on the money.
*your feelings
Ignorance is not knowing the difference between you’re and your. Why is it always those people that go around calling people ignorant that don’t agree with them the same people who can’t grasp third-grade grammar lessons?
It's a two way street tho. Exercising your right to not get vaccinated can limit what you can or cannot attend. It's like freedom of speech. Sure you can say what the hell you want, but it doesn't protect you from the consequences.
If private entities want to ban unvaccinated people from entering their premise, the un-vax can't complain about it because it's a consequence of them exercising their 'rights'.
I use that in quotes because in the history of diseases, i don't believe we've ever naturally reached herd immunity without the help of vaccines. So that's not a feasible plan, the only feasible plan is altruism, people getting vaccinated for the good of the entire population.
I recall a week or so ago Cramer was being called a communist on Twitter for asking for vax proof at his restaurant. Some people's heels are firmly dug in on this.