Yes. Look at Advanced Receiving and Rushing, 2020. Engram Stats Page, Pro Football Reference - ( New Window )
I've watched all ten of DJ's 2020 INTs and there were two that "bounced" off Engram: @ Eagles and vs Cowboys. One more @ Bears that might have grazed a fingertip as he was reaching up from the ground after having slipped.
The PFR stat is for "targets" not "attributed to." If TJ Watt jumps up and snags the ball at the LOS and Engram is ten yards downfield in the direction of the throw, he's the target, but not the cause.
The PFR target stat is also wrong, by their own play-by-play and as confirmed by video. Should be five, not six.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Daniel Jones threw 10 INT's last year.
Yes. Look at Advanced Receiving and Rushing, 2020. Engram Stats Page, Pro Football Reference - ( New Window )
I've watched all ten of DJ's 2020 INTs and there were two that "bounced" off Engram: @ Eagles and vs Cowboys. One more @ Bears that might have grazed a fingertip as he was reaching up from the ground after having slipped.
The PFR stat is for "targets" not "attributed to." If TJ Watt jumps up and snags the ball at the LOS and Engram is ten yards downfield in the direction of the throw, he's the target, but not the cause.
The PFR target stat is also wrong, by their own play-by-play and as confirmed by video. Should be five, not six.
That’s still 5 too many picks caused by one non-QB. And he’s a TE, they are supposed to be safety valves, not turnover machines.
I think the appropriate term is “unload” or “give away” because
That’s still 5 too many picks caused by one non-QB.
Again, the PFR stat is for "targets" not "caused". As I said about the TJ Watt play.
Ah, I misread the last part of your post. I see what you are saying now. He bobbled up two, finger tipped one and was the target on two more. So basically he definitely caused two picks, likely caused the third and was targeted on the other two.
The picks are one thing, but the odd fumble in the Bengals game right before hitting the ground, the awful drop in Philly, and that jacked up handoff fumble in the 49ers game just douse gasoline on the fire in addition to those picks.
That is not true. Not even close. Below is a link to every one of DJ's TO's. I hate to bring facts into the debate...
PITT (2 INT's): 1. TJ Watt jumps at the LOS to intercept, pass was to Shepard.
2. Bud Dupree hits DJ as he is rolling left, ball floats to the goal line (EE may have been the target, but hardly his fault).
CHI 3. EE stumbles out of his break, ball is intercepted, but it never touched his hands. You can blame EE here, but not for bad hands.
SF 4. Ball was thrown to EE, but was an awful throw, late and behind EE. EE never had a chance.
LAR 5. Throw to Slayton near the goal line, late.
WFT 6. DJ pressured, throws to Slayton in the EZ, picked off.
PHIL 7. A throw EE should have had. This INT is on him.
TB 8. Throws to Shepard (when Slayton was WIDE OPEN).
9. Under pressure, DJ throws late to Tate
DAL 10. Another on EE, should have caught it.
SO EE was the target on 6 INT's, but it is ridiculous to say that all 6 went off his hands. 2 did, a 3rd can be pinned on him because he slipped on his break.
odd fumble against Cincy? He was stretched out and about to hit the ground when a defended punched the ball out. Yes, he's been a disappointment, but he also made big catches that helped them win games, and was the ONLY guy teams needed to focus on - other teams said as much.
With Galloday, and maybe another weapon from the draft, I'd like to see how this offense goes this Fall with Engram a part of it.
but the point remains that Evan Engram was the cause or intended target of 6 INT's. 60%. 3 of which legitimately bounced off his hands.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
but the point remains that Evan Engram was the cause or intended target of 6 INT's. 60%. 3 of which legitimately bounced off his hands.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
And so did the dude right after me with a link to the stats.
I literally just admitted to calling my own statement hyperbole....
You called it hyperbole AFTER I called you out on it. Sorry, I'm not giving you credit for that. You reiterated a lie when asked, and only when presented with video evidence did you backtrack.
Look, EE is a flawed player. So is DJ. It is fine to discuss either's shortcomings or blame them when it is deserved. But the outright hatred and misinfo on Engram by alleged Giant fans is bizarre. He is almost certainly going to be a Giant next season. Hopefully he has spent this offseason with the juggs gun at its highest speed.
but the point remains that Evan Engram was the cause or intended target of 6 INT's. 60%. 3 of which legitimately bounced off his hands.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
Looks like Engram isn't the only one dropping the ball...
odd fumble against Cincy? He was stretched out and about to hit the ground when a defended punched the ball out. Yes, he's been a disappointment, but he also made big catches that helped them win games, and was the ONLY guy teams needed to focus on - other teams said as much.
With Galloday, and maybe another weapon from the draft, I'd like to see how this offense goes this Fall with Engram a part of it.
You’re right, he could have gotten it karate kicked out of his hands like Dion Lewis in the Arizona game lol.
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and maybe a rim above the eyes that are slanted downward.
That way when a ball goes thru his hands and hits him in the head it deflects down towards the ground versus up in the air and intercepted.
Easy fix...
Ha ha, it’s like the flashing they put around your house windows to keep the water from leaking in.
Well done here
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6 of them bounced off Engram's hands.
Is this true!?
Yes. Look at Advanced Receiving and Rushing, 2020. Engram Stats Page, Pro Football Reference - ( New Window )
I've watched all ten of DJ's 2020 INTs and there were two that "bounced" off Engram: @ Eagles and vs Cowboys. One more @ Bears that might have grazed a fingertip as he was reaching up from the ground after having slipped.
The PFR stat is for "targets" not "attributed to." If TJ Watt jumps up and snags the ball at the LOS and Engram is ten yards downfield in the direction of the throw, he's the target, but not the cause.
The PFR target stat is also wrong, by their own play-by-play and as confirmed by video. Should be five, not six.
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In comment 15221577 armstead98 said:
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In comment 15221487 Britt in VA said:
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6 of them bounced off Engram's hands.
Is this true!?
Yes. Look at Advanced Receiving and Rushing, 2020. Engram Stats Page, Pro Football Reference - ( New Window )
I've watched all ten of DJ's 2020 INTs and there were two that "bounced" off Engram: @ Eagles and vs Cowboys. One more @ Bears that might have grazed a fingertip as he was reaching up from the ground after having slipped.
The PFR stat is for "targets" not "attributed to." If TJ Watt jumps up and snags the ball at the LOS and Engram is ten yards downfield in the direction of the throw, he's the target, but not the cause.
The PFR target stat is also wrong, by their own play-by-play and as confirmed by video. Should be five, not six.
That’s still 5 too many picks caused by one non-QB. And he’s a TE, they are supposed to be safety valves, not turnover machines.
That’s still 5 too many picks caused by one non-QB.
Again, the PFR stat is for "targets" not "caused". As I said about the TJ Watt play.
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That’s still 5 too many picks caused by one non-QB.
Again, the PFR stat is for "targets" not "caused". As I said about the TJ Watt play.
Ah, I misread the last part of your post. I see what you are saying now. He bobbled up two, finger tipped one and was the target on two more. So basically he definitely caused two picks, likely caused the third and was targeted on the other two.
The picks are one thing, but the odd fumble in the Bengals game right before hitting the ground, the awful drop in Philly, and that jacked up handoff fumble in the 49ers game just douse gasoline on the fire in addition to those picks.
That is not true. Not even close. Below is a link to every one of DJ's TO's. I hate to bring facts into the debate...
PITT (2 INT's): 1. TJ Watt jumps at the LOS to intercept, pass was to Shepard.
2. Bud Dupree hits DJ as he is rolling left, ball floats to the goal line (EE may have been the target, but hardly his fault).
CHI 3. EE stumbles out of his break, ball is intercepted, but it never touched his hands. You can blame EE here, but not for bad hands.
SF 4. Ball was thrown to EE, but was an awful throw, late and behind EE. EE never had a chance.
LAR 5. Throw to Slayton near the goal line, late.
WFT 6. DJ pressured, throws to Slayton in the EZ, picked off.
PHIL 7. A throw EE should have had. This INT is on him.
TB 8. Throws to Shepard (when Slayton was WIDE OPEN).
9. Under pressure, DJ throws late to Tate
DAL 10. Another on EE, should have caught it.
SO EE was the target on 6 INT's, but it is ridiculous to say that all 6 went off his hands. 2 did, a 3rd can be pinned on him because he slipped on his break.
DJ TO's - ( New Window )
With Galloday, and maybe another weapon from the draft, I'd like to see how this offense goes this Fall with Engram a part of it.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
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but the point remains that Evan Engram was the cause or intended target of 6 INT's. 60%. 3 of which legitimately bounced off his hands.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
And so did the dude right after me with a link to the stats.
I didn't make it up.
You called it hyperbole AFTER I called you out on it. Sorry, I'm not giving you credit for that. You reiterated a lie when asked, and only when presented with video evidence did you backtrack.
Look, EE is a flawed player. So is DJ. It is fine to discuss either's shortcomings or blame them when it is deserved. But the outright hatred and misinfo on Engram by alleged Giant fans is bizarre. He is almost certainly going to be a Giant next season. Hopefully he has spent this offseason with the juggs gun at its highest speed.
But regardless, he had some really bad plays this year. Some that cost the team the game. So did Jones. But this thread is about Engram.
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but the point remains that Evan Engram was the cause or intended target of 6 INT's. 60%. 3 of which legitimately bounced off his hands.
That's not to mention egregious drops like the Philly game above.
So again, saying Engram bounced 6 picks into a defenders hands was hyperbole. But it's not far from the truth.
I call bullshit on hyperbole, you reaffirmed it as fact to another poster.
2 bounced off his hands, you can argue that a 3rd was his fault (he slipped out of his break, which can happen to anyone). The other 3 are squarely on DJ, but you won't admit that.
Looks like Engram isn't the only one dropping the ball...
:-)
With Galloday, and maybe another weapon from the draft, I'd like to see how this offense goes this Fall with Engram a part of it.
You’re right, he could have gotten it karate kicked out of his hands like Dion Lewis in the Arizona game lol.
Because he's trash and this should've never happened because he should've been long gone before this moment.
Then, guess what? He's put right back on the field with no consequences after one of his many, many mistakes.
Until Judge makes that decision, with Engram still on the team, he can fuck off.
Oh we know Judge and Co love Engram, just don’t understand why since he’s been a liability.