But there's times last year when he looked like a Jonathan Ogden. I also had the illusion that he was playing with Teflon on his sleeves, because defensive ends look small and like flies fluttering against flypaper. They say he is a big 330 lb with room to grow, High athleticism and quick feet. This isn't a project oh, this is a freak of nature and I choose to believe that we are set for the next 10 years.
The the goods that the maligned David gettleman has delivered in the third round and afterwards is unprecedented.
Peart and Slater there for the next 8 years plus. Let these two go through growing pains together this year and then dominate afterwards. Yes, I'm drink blue colored Kool-Aid this morning. <wink>
But there's times last year when he looked like a Jonathan Ogden. I also had the illusion that he was playing with Teflon on his sleeves, because defensive ends look small and like flies fluttering against flypaper. They say he is a big 330 lb with room to grow, High athleticism and quick feet. This isn't a project oh, this is a freak of nature and I choose to believe that we are set for the next 10 years.
The the goods that the maligned David gettleman has delivered in the third round and afterwards is unprecedented.
Unprecedented?
Kyle Lauletta
Chris Williamson
Chris Slayton
Ryan Connelly
Corey Ballentine
George Asafo-Adjei
R.J. McIntosh
Sam Beal
Gettleman has done a good job in the later rounds, but hardly unprecedented.
Of the 20 picks he has made in the 3rd round or later with the Giants, 6 of them are no longer on the team, 1 didn't earn a hat even once last season, 1 has played sparingly throughout his career and might not make the team this year, and another 7 were rookies last year, so we really have no idea whether they're going to develop into quality NFL players or not yet. And that's without wondering whether Carter will be able to come all the way back from injury (not DG's fault) or if Ximines will develop into anything more than roster fodder.
I'm not sure why fans feel the need to exaggerate DG's success. If he was truly doing an unprecedented job in the later rounds, we'd probably be a bit farther along in the rebuild. He's done a good job, and a pretty big TBD attached to last year's promising rookie class.
It is possible to be optimistic without being fictitious, isn't it?
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
for every moved made, there's literally nothing else one can do but wait. Also fine with the critics. What's tiresome is when the criticism becomes a never ending lecture.
I'd like to think that I'm as informed as I can be but can also admit that its essentially meaningless. The most knowledgeable poster on this board has no impact on the Giants whatsoever, for example.
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
hmmm, not sure you read my post.
But you definitely didn't understand it.
Wait and see and being informed are mutually exclusive and completely unrelated.
I'm not pretending anything.
I saw things that I like. JJ said he likes what he saw too. (he has a great deal more intel than we do)
I have more positive info on Peart than I do negative. So, I'm feeling pretty good.
Gold Jacket good...of course not.
Feeling good about players based on all available info is not being Pollyanna, it is making an informed decision based on very little info.
I am only committed to how I feel right now. I will take no less pleasure in a Giants victory because I believe that they will win...that's not how enjoyment works.
What I am, is in control of what I can control and enjoying the process that I can be no more a part of, than as a fan.
this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
hmmm, not sure you read my post.
But you definitely didn't understand it.
Wait and see and being informed are mutually exclusive and completely unrelated.
I'm not pretending anything.
I saw things that I like. JJ said he likes what he saw too. (he has a great deal more intel than we do)
I have more positive info on Peart than I do negative. So, I'm feeling pretty good.
Gold Jacket good...of course not.
Feeling good about players based on all available info is not being Pollyanna, it is making an informed decision based on very little info.
I am only committed to how I feel right now. I will take no less pleasure in a Giants victory because I believe that they will win...that's not how enjoyment works.
What I am, is in control of what I can control and enjoying the process that I can be no more a part of, than as a fan.
Here's what I know: with the playoffs on the line in the last game of the season, Peart didn't play. He was not listed on the injury report - he was a healthy scratch, as far as we know.
I have as much hope for Peart as any reasonable person, but when the postseason was on the line, Peart was on the sideline. That tells me that Judge still views MP as a work in progress.
You're right that there's limited info available, but I can tell you're not even availing yourself to all of what you can.
He was on the COVID list in week 12, then played in week 13 (15 snaps) and 14 (11 snaps), then scratched in week 15, played in week 16 (17 snaps), and then scratched again in week 17.
It's possible that he was dealing with some lingering COVID effects, but it's not like he hadn't played a fair amount in the weeks preceding the finale - in the three games that he actually did play after being on the COVID list, his snap count was basically the same (slightly higher) than his season average. But he had two DNPs in the mix also.
My point is just that it's incredibly premature to be anointing Peart as anything other than a promising prospect.
I’m separately saying that he was on a pretty good trajectory prior to contracting Covid.
All the Ogden stuff is just funny noise, can’t believe that little comment turned into what it did.
And he was still on that trajectory after he had COVID. There were six games last season where Peart played 20% or more of the offensive snaps. Three of the six came after he was on the COVID list.
He was scratched in week 17 with the season on the line, but had played legitimate snaps in 3 of the 4 games that preceded it. It's hard for me to accept the suggestion that lingering COVID effects were the reason for him being scratched in the finale when he had played a decent amount before in the weeks prior (aside from another scratch in week 15).
are not even in the same stratosphere of conversation at Offensive Tackle.
NO ONE DISAGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT!
That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above. Nor was the comment to you, but yell all you want.
Not yelling but point taken.
"That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above."
What comment made above makes you believe this?
Full caps and an exclamation mark isn't yelling? Fine, but I am only comparing to the font in your other posts in this thread which don't do that. But maybe you are whispering in those? Kidding, but you get the point.
As to what comments relate to comparing Peart to Ogden lets go with these:
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Grizz99 : 9:54 am : link : reply
But there's times last year when he looked like a Jonathan Ogden.
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BBWreckingCrew : 9:57 am : link : reply
Well said.
Granted you could say that about a multitude of guys who will never be Jonathan Ogden.
But you got to say it about your guy.
There were times when he really looked like a beast.
My entire point is that that’s a good feeling and something well worth sharing.
Everybody knows that doesn’t equate ability and certainly an entire career.
So when we see comments like that, we Should applaud them rather than ridicule them.
I get your point but what I think you miss is the fact that nobody is comparing their life‘s work or even their talent just something they saw that made them think... maybe we got one.
Prior thread. - ( New Window )
"German" in BBI-speak means that there's already a thread on this topic, so you should delete yours so as not to clutter up the board.
(See, that's a joke)
Oh, and before I forget, fuck off n00b.
He looked like cow sh#t vs. the Ravens, but so did the whole team. Still not sure what that gameplan was.
The the goods that the maligned David gettleman has delivered in the third round and afterwards is unprecedented.
Sticky
The the goods that the maligned David gettleman has delivered in the third round and afterwards is unprecedented.
Unprecedented?
Kyle Lauletta
Chris Williamson
Chris Slayton
Ryan Connelly
Corey Ballentine
George Asafo-Adjei
R.J. McIntosh
Sam Beal
Gettleman has done a good job in the later rounds, but hardly unprecedented.
Of the 20 picks he has made in the 3rd round or later with the Giants, 6 of them are no longer on the team, 1 didn't earn a hat even once last season, 1 has played sparingly throughout his career and might not make the team this year, and another 7 were rookies last year, so we really have no idea whether they're going to develop into quality NFL players or not yet. And that's without wondering whether Carter will be able to come all the way back from injury (not DG's fault) or if Ximines will develop into anything more than roster fodder.
I'm not sure why fans feel the need to exaggerate DG's success. If he was truly doing an unprecedented job in the later rounds, we'd probably be a bit farther along in the rebuild. He's done a good job, and a pretty big TBD attached to last year's promising rookie class.
It is possible to be optimistic without being fictitious, isn't it?
He looks more like he's from Whales
Then we can start talking dominant.
Just give me five guys who can do their jobs well and I will be happy!
The last five or so years, I thought we were playing without any OL at all.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
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this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
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this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
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this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
I'd like to think that I'm as informed as I can be but can also admit that its essentially meaningless. The most knowledgeable poster on this board has no impact on the Giants whatsoever, for example.
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this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
But you definitely didn't understand it.
Wait and see and being informed are mutually exclusive and completely unrelated.
I'm not pretending anything.
I saw things that I like. JJ said he likes what he saw too. (he has a great deal more intel than we do)
I have more positive info on Peart than I do negative. So, I'm feeling pretty good.
Gold Jacket good...of course not.
Feeling good about players based on all available info is not being Pollyanna, it is making an informed decision based on very little info.
I am only committed to how I feel right now. I will take no less pleasure in a Giants victory because I believe that they will win...that's not how enjoyment works.
What I am, is in control of what I can control and enjoying the process that I can be no more a part of, than as a fan.
I coach Linebackers. One of my guys was absolutely ragdolling everyone is his way a couple of weeks ago.
Reminded me of Khalil Mack.
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are not even in the same stratosphere of conversation at Offensive Tackle.
NO ONE DISAGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT!
That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above. Nor was the comment to you, but yell all you want.
I coach Linebackers. One of my guys was absolutely ragdolling everyone is his way a couple of weeks ago.
Reminded me of Khalil Mack.
Haha, and that's a perfect example.
I sometimes wonder what watching football with certain people on here would be like. Not fun comes to mind.
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are not even in the same stratosphere of conversation at Offensive Tackle.
NO ONE DISAGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT!
That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above. Nor was the comment to you, but yell all you want.
Not yelling but point taken.
"That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above."
What comment made above makes you believe this?
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...lighten' up a tad.
I coach Linebackers. One of my guys was absolutely ragdolling everyone is his way a couple of weeks ago.
Reminded me of Khalil Mack.
Haha, and that's a perfect example.
I sometimes wonder what watching football with certain people on here would be like. Not fun comes to mind.
Good, you get to watch with Grizz.
Like in his stance, maybe?
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this is where fans get themselves in expectation deep water.
naa, gotta have some of that. It's far more entertaining than wringing the hands and thinking that we're doomed.
Looks like Tarzan, assume he's freakin' Tarzan. If he's not...we'll move on.
Besides, the water's just not that deep.
caveat: JJ and DG are not fans...they have different rules for plyer evaluation.
It's actually possible to be a fan and also be academically objective. The concept might not be the way that you approach being a fan, and that's fine, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with fans taking a wait-and-see position on Peart, and it does not make them lesser fans. If anything, they're actively trying to stay informed and not just root for the laundry.
I agree, mostlyy.
But, I don't believe that "wait and see" is the same as being informed.
There is so much that we don't know about what JJ thinks and his thinking is based on information that we do not have.
Therefore, given the lack of available information and armed with the knowledge that "apparently" our coach is at least somewhat enamored with the player...plus, the fact that he looked good in chunks and, I mean, the guy really does look like Tarzan.
It's not being blind to go with the flow on this one, it's simply accepting the facts as they are.
In the end, we are all going to have to "wait and see." Some of us will feel really good going in, some of us will be a bit more anxious.
Based on what you just described, "wait and see" is EXACTLY what being fairly informed would entail.
Pretending that we already know Peart is going to be great is fan fiction. Hoping that he will be but preparing for the scenario where he's not, is being reasonable.
There is no upside to be a pollyanna - you've already committed to the best case scenario and everything that plays out from that point forward will be a disappointment unless the best case scenario is met. And with a major team-improvement event approaching with the draft, why would anyone pretend that the team's weaknesses aren't actually weaknesses?
And that doesn't mean that the Giants need to go draft an OT in the first round. But it also doesn't mean that if they don't, that I have to pretend that they don't still see it as a development area until Peart proves overwise.
hmmm, not sure you read my post.
But you definitely didn't understand it.
Wait and see and being informed are mutually exclusive and completely unrelated.
I'm not pretending anything.
I saw things that I like. JJ said he likes what he saw too. (he has a great deal more intel than we do)
I have more positive info on Peart than I do negative. So, I'm feeling pretty good.
Gold Jacket good...of course not.
Feeling good about players based on all available info is not being Pollyanna, it is making an informed decision based on very little info.
I am only committed to how I feel right now. I will take no less pleasure in a Giants victory because I believe that they will win...that's not how enjoyment works.
What I am, is in control of what I can control and enjoying the process that I can be no more a part of, than as a fan.
Here's what I know: with the playoffs on the line in the last game of the season, Peart didn't play. He was not listed on the injury report - he was a healthy scratch, as far as we know.
I have as much hope for Peart as any reasonable person, but when the postseason was on the line, Peart was on the sideline. That tells me that Judge still views MP as a work in progress.
You're right that there's limited info available, but I can tell you're not even availing yourself to all of what you can.
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...lighten' up a tad.
I coach Linebackers. One of my guys was absolutely ragdolling everyone is his way a couple of weeks ago.
Reminded me of Khalil Mack.
Haha, and that's a perfect example.
I sometimes wonder what watching football with certain people on here would be like. Not fun comes to mind.
Good, you get to watch with Grizz.
that was funny...
He was on the COVID list in week 12, then played in week 13 (15 snaps) and 14 (11 snaps), then scratched in week 15, played in week 16 (17 snaps), and then scratched again in week 17.
It's possible that he was dealing with some lingering COVID effects, but it's not like he hadn't played a fair amount in the weeks preceding the finale - in the three games that he actually did play after being on the COVID list, his snap count was basically the same (slightly higher) than his season average. But he had two DNPs in the mix also.
My point is just that it's incredibly premature to be anointing Peart as anything other than a promising prospect.
Jonathan Ogden? Please, that's a troll job.
All the Ogden stuff is just funny noise, can’t believe that little comment turned into what it did.
All the Ogden stuff is just funny noise, can’t believe that little comment turned into what it did.
And he was still on that trajectory after he had COVID. There were six games last season where Peart played 20% or more of the offensive snaps. Three of the six came after he was on the COVID list.
He was scratched in week 17 with the season on the line, but had played legitimate snaps in 3 of the 4 games that preceded it. It's hard for me to accept the suggestion that lingering COVID effects were the reason for him being scratched in the finale when he had played a decent amount before in the weeks prior (aside from another scratch in week 15).
All the Ogden stuff is just funny noise, can’t believe that little comment turned into what it did.
It only turned into making fun of it. Do you see something more?
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...grizz simply said that "at times" he reminded him of Ogden.
Like in his stance, maybe?
Good, you get to watch with Grizz.
Nice~
All the Ogden stuff is just funny noise, can’t believe that little comment turned into what it did.
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In comment 15222094 Brown_Hornet said:
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In comment 15222092 chick310 said:
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are not even in the same stratosphere of conversation at Offensive Tackle.
NO ONE DISAGREES WITH THIS STATEMENT!
That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above. Nor was the comment to you, but yell all you want.
Not yelling but point taken.
"That doesn't seem to be the case based on the above."
What comment made above makes you believe this?
Full caps and an exclamation mark isn't yelling? Fine, but I am only comparing to the font in your other posts in this thread which don't do that. But maybe you are whispering in those? Kidding, but you get the point.
As to what comments relate to comparing Peart to Ogden lets go with these:
Grizz99 : 9:54 am : link : reply
But there's times last year when he looked like a Jonathan Ogden.
BBWreckingCrew : 9:57 am : link : reply
Well said.
Granted you could say that about a multitude of guys who will never be Jonathan Ogden.
But you got to say it about your guy.
There were times when he really looked like a beast.
My entire point is that that’s a good feeling and something well worth sharing.
Everybody knows that doesn’t equate ability and certainly an entire career.
So when we see comments like that, we Should applaud them rather than ridicule them.
I get your point but what I think you miss is the fact that nobody is comparing their life‘s work or even their talent just something they saw that made them think... maybe we got one.
Just make up your mind. Does Peart remind you of Ogden or not?
There were moments that he reminded me of a dominant football player.
That’s why I don’t mind the comparison to any other dominant football player.
That does not mean I am equating the potential that he has to the career of a Hall of Famer.
Why is everyone so literal?
I’ve also had high school quarterbacks who reminded me of Joe Montana...
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There were moments that he reminded me of a dominant football player.
That’s why I don’t mind the comparison to any other dominant football player.
That does not mean I am equating the potential that he has to the career of a Hall of Famer.
Why is everyone so literal?
I’ve also had high school quarterbacks who reminded me of Joe Montana...
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Well then thats weird. Comparing a 3rd round project pick last year to one of the top 3 tackles of all time is more than a bit of a stretch.
Hell, if the OP was comparing Peart to Luke Pettitgout it would also be a stretch.
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... on a high school football player reminding me of Khalil Mack.
There were moments that he reminded me of a dominant football player.
That’s why I don’t mind the comparison to any other dominant football player.
That does not mean I am equating the potential that he has to the career of a Hall of Famer.
Why is everyone so literal?
I’ve also had high school quarterbacks who reminded me of Joe Montana...
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Well then thats weird. Comparing a 3rd round project pick last year to one of the top 3 tackles of all time is more than a bit of a stretch.
Hell, if the OP was comparing Peart to Luke Pettitgout it would also be a stretch.