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| Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN · 3m Ex- #Giants VP of player evaluation Marc Ross, asked by Kevin if he could take one mulligan on a draft pick in his career, says in hindsight he would fight harder to draft Russell Wilson. Says then-NYG scout Ryan Jones said: “this guy’s the next Drew Brees.” What could have been |
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In comment 15222011 PwndPapi said:
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In comment 15222000 JonC said:
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after Ross was elevated.
Ross was elevated to VP of Player Evaluation in 2007. Those 2008 and 2009 drafts hauled some nice players. KP, TT, MM, Nicks, Beatty, JPP, L. Joseph, etc. Some misses in the middle rounds and some outright busts later on, but to say he was a horrible exec is silly.
There are a multitude of reasons why the drafts progressively got worse. It may have been an organizational shift in philosophy. Others in the braintrust may have seized more control over the decision making. Or Ross just didn't put in the work. None of us knows for sure. But I do know which narrative many Giants fans choose to run with: Reese and Ross sucked. Coughlin was let down. Eli's career wasted by a front office seeking athletes over football players. It's myopic at best. And an "ist" term at worst.
Ross not doing the work was a pretty well-known fact that got out, and it is one component in an organization that clearly has its issues, and won rings in spite of them. I didn't say he was horrible, but he certainly was the man in charge of the drafts when the pipeline died off.
What I was told by a credible source was similar to what you posted. Ross put more time into building his image and other interests than putting the work in to keep producing at a high level. It wasn't characterized as laziness, just a lack of dedication to continual improvement
These are the little bits of info that always get overlooked. Ross taking over in 2007 when the drafts were still good. That changed in 2011.
Yes, you can blame Reese for keeping Ross too long, but Reese gets blamed for almost everything.
He was a big part of the reason we won.
I do believe the downfall started with Ross, but I don't even think it is one person's fault. It was a combination of poor drafts, bad injury luck and players not developing (which is more at the feet of coaching).
That's great to hear! Yeah I've met a few I would, but I'm pretty far from that next step and has probably broken up a few relationships. And I certainly don't see the point in getting married unless having a kid. I just got a puppy and I can't do a baby for at least another 5 years. Something I want to have all my ducks in a row before I do. What a gamechanger!
But yeah your right, I have cousins twenty years older than me, which was actually really cool and honestly super beneficial. Probably going to happen the same way for me and my sister.
That's quite a leap in logic there.
I don't think it is so much about how many hours you put in - but just making sure you are prepared, whether it is doing the work yourself or knowing who to delegate to that will get the work done.
Also, just like some assistant coaches don't make good HC's that same philosophy can be said about being elevated to a different position in an organization. Sometimes taking on a bigger responsibility results in failure.
What was told to me is that Ross was often unprepared. That could be an issue with him looking for other opportunitites, it could be poor delegating skills, it could be from a variety of isues.
Thanks, interesting stuff. There seemed to be more contempt for Ross than anyone else fired from the Giants.
Classic. So you think it was Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Lead Pipe?
Classic. So you think it was Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Lead Pipe?
It's not often we get a glimpse of conspiracy tilt unfold before our eyes in a single post.
Jerk yourself off some more, Marc.
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I remember watching him on NFL network the first time a bunch of years back, and was flabbergasted he was on. Turned me off NFL network tbh. Why does this guy get to parade around like some sort of expert? Oh yeah right, he was milking information from the organization and using it as currency to set him up in the media. What a snake.
Classic. So you think it was Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Lead Pipe?
I know connecting dots is hard for you to understand. To be fair though, I'd imagine Connect 4 is hard for you to grasp.
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In comment 15222223 Zeke's Alibi said:
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I remember watching him on NFL network the first time a bunch of years back, and was flabbergasted he was on. Turned me off NFL network tbh. Why does this guy get to parade around like some sort of expert? Oh yeah right, he was milking information from the organization and using it as currency to set him up in the media. What a snake.
Classic. So you think it was Professor Plum in the Conservatory with the Lead Pipe?
I know connecting dots is hard for you to understand. To be fair though, I'd imagine Connect 4 is hard for you to grasp.
Don’t play it much. But please, help us connect the dots on your little theory above as to how Ross was the reincarnation of Benedict Arnold...
Accorsi, Reese, Gettleman, Ross, Coughlin, Gilbride, Spags, Fewell plus countless players all had stretches of peak performance that overlapped.
Those stars don't align forever -- age, focus, personal lives, complacency, ego etc. get in the way.
Marc Ross made a comment, expressing regret for not listening to his staff. He was blaming himself, not giving himself credit for discovering Wilson.
The resentment towards the group that helped deliver one of the better runs this franchise ever had is so weird.