Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
This. I know this sounds like a negative post but it is true. However, you can see him progressing and these movements in this video seem to be headed toward more lateral movements. Both movements are mostly straight line but he still needs stability as well. So far so good.
Agreed lateral explosion is the real test. Would guess that is at
least 2 months from now. But that SHOULD put him in line to start the season I would guess assuming he can run at full speed.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
making a little jump before he was about to get hit as a way to avoid his body taking the full force of the tackle and to keep his legs from getting caught in the turf as a secret to his incredible durability from 2000- 2006. I wonder if he has said anything to Saquon about that because that made a ton of sense.
RE: Agreed lateral explosion is the real test. Would guess that is at
least 2 months from now. But that SHOULD put him in line to start the season I would guess assuming he can run at full speed.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
IDGAF how many yards he gets. Play 16 games in 2021. Play big, in big games in the division. He could have and average RB year but do 200 and 3 tds against Dallas in the game to decide the division and count me as changing my tune on the pick. Because right now, he has played in 7 wins. Terrible ROI.
RE: RE: Agreed lateral explosion is the real test. Would guess that is at
least 2 months from now. But that SHOULD put him in line to start the season I would guess assuming he can run at full speed.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
IDGAF how many yards he gets. Play 16 games in 2021. Play big, in big games in the division. He could have and average RB year but do 200 and 3 tds against Dallas in the game to decide the division and count me as changing my tune on the pick. Because right now, he has played in 7 wins. Terrible ROI.
I understand your point, but I cant think of one RB that won games on his own with nothing around him. Dont say AP because he had a mammoth line blocking for him. Dont say LdT because he had the line but also a great team.
Star RBs who are threat to run or catch take a good offense to explosive. Saquon was our only offense in year 1 of his career and he won that Redskins game on his own. I agree, its put up or shuttup time for him if we have the line figured out or not. Something tells me they grab 2 OL in rounds 1-4.
I don't want to get that twisted. He is the kind of man you want as a team leader. I am rooting for him.
+1
But those drills vs the actual moves he does during a game are way different. The guy stops twists, starts and leaps all in one move. Killer on ankles knees hips back etc. Hoping he kicks ass.....
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
Good because it does! Lol, whenever that ligament goes, it is usually from lateral movement.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
It definitely provides rotational stability, why do you think most these things pop when an athelete changes direction?
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The ACL acts with the PCL (posterior cruciate ligament) to stabilize the knee from the back and the front. The PCL is responsible for stabilizing the knee posteriorly (from the back) and preventing hyperextension-straightening the joint beyond the normal range of motion- at the knee joint. The ACL, on the other hand, is responsible for preventing the knee from gliding anteriorly. The ACL also stabilizes the knee during movements like bending (of the knee) and the rotation of the knee. On top of this, along with the PCL, the ACL also protects the knee from hyperextension. Together, the ACL and PCL also work to center the weight of the body at the knee joint, protecting the other ligaments from damage.
You can function pretty normal without an ACL; in fact it's one of the options the doctor gives you as opposed to surgery if you've only torn your ACL and nothing else. The risk is further injury to the knee becasue of the de-stabilization.
Ask anyone rehabbing from an ACL, you start with straight line speed, go to straight line starting and stopping; the last thing is change of direction. Straight line speed is pretty safe becasue you keep your body weight within the frame work of the knees, so there is little chance of torquing the knee and re-injury. It's after the hamstring and quad are strengthened sufficiently they introduce the cutting as the hamstring/quad help stabilize the joint when you push off to cut, spin, etc.
Disclaimer: I am not a DR, but I have ruptured and rehabbed an ACL and spoken to quite a few people going through the same thing.
Agree with the earlier comments. Ultimately its all about being able to rapidly - often unexpectedly - change directions. Yes, he is an amazing athlete and is clearly working his ass off ....but recovery this quickly is not a given
I tore both ACLs simultaneously playing D1 ice hockey. Goalie. Was scheduled to have one done early but never did. Good news in 2020 is that surgical techniques are light years better than when i was injured; I had to wear de-rotation braces whenever I skied of played lacrosse. It was never about up and down (though extra thigh strength is always good) It was all about lateral stability To be clear, I was nowhere near professional caliber, But still, its a very severe injury the way Saquon plays - and being able to take a hit from the side is in the job description. I hope they force him to go VERY slowly in camp.
Tore both on different occasions, both I think in his early 60s. They said he was too old to fix them so he goes with two tears. His knees are shotsville, but he does yardwork and shit with them like that.
I used to do a lot of ACL prehab, rehab (w/wo surgery) and prevention programs.
-ACL main function is preventing anterior (forward)translation. (MCL inside, LCL outside, PCL (Posterior)
- the Orientation of ligaments and knee mechanics mean when your foot is on the ground. Rotation stresses multiple knee ligaments (and cartilage)
-If he did not have an ACL straight line movements could be significantly more difficult.
-Keeping your knee flexed keeps the knee in more of an safe position and ligaments get more support from muscles. Extending, rotating and especially rotating with extension puts more stress on your knee ligaments in general.
-Cutting requires that your planted leg give you stability while changing direction.This stresses the collateral and cruciate ligaments.
- I suppose that jumping a little at contact would help a little as your lower leg would not be fixed to the ground. However you create another common ACL risk, awkward landing.
- these are general rules of thumb but there are a lot of other variables.
-Hines Ward played his whole college and pro career without a left knee ACL. Didn't even know about it until he went pro
I’m glad he is out of the wheelchair and able to walk without a cane 🙄
Twitter clips mean less than nothing. While I appreciate the updates, I’m not going to get excited about him until we see him in pads, getting hit, cutting and blocking.
We’re all rooting for Saquon. We need to see him dominate in an NFL game. Not just function - dominate. If he is anything less than extraordinary, he’s just an overpriced distraction.
Here’s hoping he gets CPOY. Looking strong!
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
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he sure looks ready to me.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
This. I know this sounds like a negative post but it is true. However, you can see him progressing and these movements in this video seem to be headed toward more lateral movements. Both movements are mostly straight line but he still needs stability as well. So far so good.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
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least 2 months from now. But that SHOULD put him in line to start the season I would guess assuming he can run at full speed.
Man I have a feeling he is going to be an absolute force this year. His build and drive is so reminiscent of AP's, I think this last injury is just a speed bump for him.
If he puts up 2k AP yards again this year, double digit TDs and stays healthy, I wonder if those saying he wasnt worth his draft slot would say the same thing. We would have the 5th year option and at least two Franchise years to see what hes got before having to move on.
IDGAF how many yards he gets. Play 16 games in 2021. Play big, in big games in the division. He could have and average RB year but do 200 and 3 tds against Dallas in the game to decide the division and count me as changing my tune on the pick. Because right now, he has played in 7 wins. Terrible ROI.
I understand your point, but I cant think of one RB that won games on his own with nothing around him. Dont say AP because he had a mammoth line blocking for him. Dont say LdT because he had the line but also a great team.
Star RBs who are threat to run or catch take a good offense to explosive. Saquon was our only offense in year 1 of his career and he won that Redskins game on his own. I agree, its put up or shuttup time for him if we have the line figured out or not. Something tells me they grab 2 OL in rounds 1-4.
+1
But those drills vs the actual moves he does during a game are way different. The guy stops twists, starts and leaps all in one move. Killer on ankles knees hips back etc. Hoping he kicks ass.....
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he sure looks ready to me.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
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he sure looks ready to me.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
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In comment 15222005 Jon in NYC said:
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he sure looks ready to me.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
Good because it does! Lol, whenever that ligament goes, it is usually from lateral movement.
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In comment 15222005 Jon in NYC said:
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he sure looks ready to me.
Cutting will be the real test. Straight line movement is generally ok with or without an ACL. Hence Barkley being able to ride a bike and walk before his surgery.
The ACL keep the tibia from sliding forward from the femur in the knee joint. Its all about straight line stability.
Not to say it doesn't provide some rotational stability as well.
It definitely provides rotational stability, why do you think most these things pop when an athelete changes direction?
You can function pretty normal without an ACL; in fact it's one of the options the doctor gives you as opposed to surgery if you've only torn your ACL and nothing else. The risk is further injury to the knee becasue of the de-stabilization.
Ask anyone rehabbing from an ACL, you start with straight line speed, go to straight line starting and stopping; the last thing is change of direction. Straight line speed is pretty safe becasue you keep your body weight within the frame work of the knees, so there is little chance of torquing the knee and re-injury. It's after the hamstring and quad are strengthened sufficiently they introduce the cutting as the hamstring/quad help stabilize the joint when you push off to cut, spin, etc.
Disclaimer: I am not a DR, but I have ruptured and rehabbed an ACL and spoken to quite a few people going through the same thing.
I tore both ACLs simultaneously playing D1 ice hockey. Goalie. Was scheduled to have one done early but never did. Good news in 2020 is that surgical techniques are light years better than when i was injured; I had to wear de-rotation braces whenever I skied of played lacrosse. It was never about up and down (though extra thigh strength is always good) It was all about lateral stability To be clear, I was nowhere near professional caliber, But still, its a very severe injury the way Saquon plays - and being able to take a hit from the side is in the job description. I hope they force him to go VERY slowly in camp.
-ACL main function is preventing anterior (forward)translation. (MCL inside, LCL outside, PCL (Posterior)
- the Orientation of ligaments and knee mechanics mean when your foot is on the ground. Rotation stresses multiple knee ligaments (and cartilage)
-If he did not have an ACL straight line movements could be significantly more difficult.
-Keeping your knee flexed keeps the knee in more of an safe position and ligaments get more support from muscles. Extending, rotating and especially rotating with extension puts more stress on your knee ligaments in general.
-Cutting requires that your planted leg give you stability while changing direction.This stresses the collateral and cruciate ligaments.
- I suppose that jumping a little at contact would help a little as your lower leg would not be fixed to the ground. However you create another common ACL risk, awkward landing.
- these are general rules of thumb but there are a lot of other variables.
-Hines Ward played his whole college and pro career without a left knee ACL. Didn't even know about it until he went pro
We’re all rooting for Saquon. We need to see him dominate in an NFL game. Not just function - dominate. If he is anything less than extraordinary, he’s just an overpriced distraction.