If you have students you can see what this past year did to some of them. Virtual classes, showing up late, not doing homework. I have a daughter that's a student and one that is a teacher. I hear all the comments.
I can understand if their is concern about injury, then bring them in person and teach them the playbook, school them up and make it worth the while. The online stuff doesnt really work for everyone.
This is a pure power play by the union, and all bull shit. Nut the owners messed up by allowing these workouts to be contractually termed voluntary.
Another case of the inmates running the asylum.
I am now retired, but I worked for an annual salary.
(For you young'uns, "annual" means every 12 months.)
During that interval, they owned my a**.
If they said "I know you are on a planned vacation, but we need you now, I reported for duty.
My company did not have a union (and I was better off for it).
Surprisingly I did not make millions in annual salary. (/sarc).
For people who enjoy a wage dependent on what an audience is willing to pay, as contrasted to the intrinsic value of what I do (like a teacher or a surgeon) I may start thinking beyond what my agent thinks nest years commision will be.
Have the players been back since the end of the season?
If I were the teams, I'd make the OTAs voluntary remote sessions. Not nearly as good as in-person, but better than nothing. That would put some pressure on the union to let players attend; and those fighting for roster or starting spots may just decide to participate.
RE: Players deciding they don’t want to work voluntarily
Rank and file players will suffer. Rookies will suffer and guys who come to camp out of shape will be in for a rude awakening.
If your ass comes to camp out of shape as a professional athlete in 2021, get off my team. Seriously, you either have a chance to make a ton of money, or already are. You have one job and it's not that hard.
WE NEED to get this team as much time together as possible...I'd like to have avoided going to the hospitals this entire last year, but it my job, so I put on my big boy pants and went to work....Joe Judge said his players would reflect the surrounding communities....guess not...especially since we don't (usually... of course there are exceptions) have that same option in the real world...the option to NOT go to work..and yes I know they are "voluntary" but ask any coach his opinion...dudes need every organized team situation they can possible be in, particularly our situation with a young team. I was def freaking annoying to see this announcement....
RE: Have the players been back since the end of the season?
of "professional" football. Glad to see the NFLPA is pushing players to get vaccinated too- not!! What a disgrace. Using COVID as an 'excuse" for leverage.
If I were the teams, I'd make the OTAs voluntary remote sessions. Not nearly as good as in-person, but better than nothing. That would put some pressure on the union to let players attend; and those fighting for roster or starting spots may just decide to participate.
All the statement says is that they're not going to attend voluntary in-person sessions. So if the team wants to schedule remote sessions, I guess that would put the ball back in the players' court.
i suppose the dangers lurking on the site is that could easily evolve
into a “political” thread. But personally professional sports and their “athletes” are tiring me out. They have no acknowledgement or view of the majority of those who are their audience. Giants are my longest fandom team, some > 70 years. I can live without them and their whining, exclusivity, and selfish concerns. So I suspect there are many more who feel similarly.
RE: i suppose the dangers lurking on the site is that could easily evolve
into a “political” thread. But personally professional sports and their “athletes” are tiring me out. They have no acknowledgement or view of the majority of those who are their audience. Giants are my longest fandom team, some > 70 years. I can live without them and their whining, exclusivity, and selfish concerns. So I suspect there are many more who feel similarly.
Instead of working out at the the team facility, where team officials can ensure that players abide by the necessary safety protocols, the players are going to wing it on their own in various ad hoc workout regimes and not using COVID protection/testing protocols that worked exceptionally well last year?
This reeks of the union wanting to get out of "voluntary" (not really voluntary) workouts.
Guess what?
The players will be the ones to suffer, especially those new to professional strength and conditioning programs. The coaches will surely send them the workouts. But they will be unsupervised without team trainers.
I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
It's tough to make those guarantees in football, waaay too many guys get hurt, not to mention guy gets nicked up he has no incentive to get back on the field. I think the overall situation in NFL is decent for what it is, but I do think there should be a larger player pool. The fact that the NFL refuses to open rosters up to the guys making 300k a year or so, and preaches safety all the time is a joke.
I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
That's because their union sucks, to the point where union "leadership" may be in bed with the owners.
Skipping the team workouts won't prevent more injuries... it will have the opposite effect. You may also see more COVID cases.
I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
I think you are onto something. The union was very split on the 17 games. That was a super-close vote. And knowing what they know now, if they had to do it over again, my bet is the 17 games doesn't get passed by the union. So I think this is some retaliation for that...
The NFLPA, alas, continues to be their own worst enemy in any negotiation, so I have zero sympathy for them. And they are so stupid they don't even realize the 17 games is just a layover to 18 games.
I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
That's because their union sucks, to the point where union "leadership" may be in bed with the owners.
Skipping the team workouts won't prevent more injuries... it will have the opposite effect. You may also see more COVID cases.
That’s the thing though. The NFLPA is claiming their numbers show less injuries occurred last year but then I’ve read other articles that said injuries rose last year. I don’t know what to trust, especially since both sides’ stats can be tweaked to promote their biases.
Either way, I generally support the players of the NFL. It’s the biggest sports entertainment industry in the country by miles and the players are literally putting their lives on the line and making nothing compared to athletes from other less popular sports. I give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to protecting themselves and making money.
Instead of working out at the the team facility, where team officials can ensure that players abide by the necessary safety protocols, the players are going to wing it on their own in various ad hoc workout regimes and not using COVID protection/testing protocols that worked exceptionally well last year?
Yeah, that makes sense.
The whole world has gone freaking insane.
I agree. I don't get this. & this is coming from someone who 99.9% sides with the athletes over owners.
This^^. We will then hear from players that without OTAs their play and cohesion will suffer.
I really hope you're being facetious. Just look at the fucking link!
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Pats will not participate - ( New Window )
I can understand if their is concern about injury, then bring them in person and teach them the playbook, school them up and make it worth the while. The online stuff doesnt really work for everyone.
Another case of the inmates running the asylum.
(For you young'uns, "annual" means every 12 months.)
During that interval, they owned my a**.
If they said "I know you are on a planned vacation, but we need you now, I reported for duty.
My company did not have a union (and I was better off for it).
Surprisingly I did not make millions in annual salary. (/sarc).
For people who enjoy a wage dependent on what an audience is willing to pay, as contrasted to the intrinsic value of what I do (like a teacher or a surgeon) I may start thinking beyond what my agent thinks nest years commision will be.
How does the team know whether last years rookies progressed?
How do you draft if you don't know what you have? Thanks
If your ass comes to camp out of shape as a professional athlete in 2021, get off my team. Seriously, you either have a chance to make a ton of money, or already are. You have one job and it's not that hard.
How does the team know whether last years rookies progressed?
How do you draft if you don't know what you have? Thanks
THIS!!! excellent point
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Will not allow this nonsense on his Patriots.
I really hope you're being facetious. Just look at the fucking link!
[ Pats will not participate - ( New Window )
It was a joke of drill sargeant Belichick.
Not a good look for either side and I find the way sports media tends to cover this type of shit nauseating.
All the statement says is that they're not going to attend voluntary in-person sessions. So if the team wants to schedule remote sessions, I guess that would put the ball back in the players' court.
So stop watching? Selfish lmao.
Yeah, that makes sense.
The whole world has gone freaking insane.
This reeks of the union wanting to get out of "voluntary" (not really voluntary) workouts.
Guess what?
The players will be the ones to suffer, especially those new to professional strength and conditioning programs. The coaches will surely send them the workouts. But they will be unsupervised without team trainers.
What a bunch of stupid assholes.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
It's tough to make those guarantees in football, waaay too many guys get hurt, not to mention guy gets nicked up he has no incentive to get back on the field. I think the overall situation in NFL is decent for what it is, but I do think there should be a larger player pool. The fact that the NFL refuses to open rosters up to the guys making 300k a year or so, and preaches safety all the time is a joke.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
That's because their union sucks, to the point where union "leadership" may be in bed with the owners.
Skipping the team workouts won't prevent more injuries... it will have the opposite effect. You may also see more COVID cases.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
I think you are onto something. The union was very split on the 17 games. That was a super-close vote. And knowing what they know now, if they had to do it over again, my bet is the 17 games doesn't get passed by the union. So I think this is some retaliation for that...
The NFLPA, alas, continues to be their own worst enemy in any negotiation, so I have zero sympathy for them. And they are so stupid they don't even realize the 17 games is just a layover to 18 games.
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I believe this has more to do with 17 games than COVID. And if the note about player injuries being down last year holds any weight, it’s hard to argue with.
Despite being by far the most poplular and financially successful sport in the country, NFL players are absolutely screwed in comparison to the athletes of other sports. It’s absolutely insane how much MLB players are guaranteed vs. NFL players.
I can’t blame the NFLPA at all if their goal is trying to create as less injuries as possible even if it means less practicing.
That's because their union sucks, to the point where union "leadership" may be in bed with the owners.
Skipping the team workouts won't prevent more injuries... it will have the opposite effect. You may also see more COVID cases.
That’s the thing though. The NFLPA is claiming their numbers show less injuries occurred last year but then I’ve read other articles that said injuries rose last year. I don’t know what to trust, especially since both sides’ stats can be tweaked to promote their biases.
Either way, I generally support the players of the NFL. It’s the biggest sports entertainment industry in the country by miles and the players are literally putting their lives on the line and making nothing compared to athletes from other less popular sports. I give them the benefit of the doubt when it comes to protecting themselves and making money.
Yeah, that makes sense.
The whole world has gone freaking insane.
I agree. I don't get this. & this is coming from someone who 99.9% sides with the athletes over owners.