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How badly do the Giants need a rb and do they draft high to

plato : 4/15/2021 7:14 pm
obtain one?

I think the Giants need a rb in a big way. The Giants played pretty well last season with a revitalized defense and a power running game. Why not be ready to go the same route?

SB is not either a power runner or a good pass protector. Everyone is counting on SB coming back less than one year after a major repair of a knee. That’s counting on a lot medically and to restore SB’s cutting ability and quickness to pre-injury level in a short time. That’s a big IF!

What exactly is the backup plan? I don’t know but we need a first line RB from either the 2-3 round of the draft or try to rehire Gallman at his price. I don’t know who is out there in FA barrel or who is available in the draft but I do know there’s lots on BBI who have strong ideas about RB.

Let’s hear what others think as I think there has been huge amount of space about G and WR etc, but very little about RB which I think is really critical.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/15/2021 7:15 pm : link
Isn't that the reason we signed Booker?
You can't know how badly we need  
Bill in UT : 4/15/2021 7:16 pm : link
a RB until we see how strongly Barkley comes back
They should use their 4th rounder or one of the 6th  
eric2425ny : 4/15/2021 7:23 pm : link
rounders on a RB. Preferably a bigger north/south runner.
RE: They should use their 4th rounder or one of the 6th  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2021 7:24 pm : link
In comment 15222353 eric2425ny said:
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rounders on a RB. Preferably a bigger north/south runner.

I think they should use one of their 6th round picks. I would love to see Buffalo RB Jaret Patterson fall to them in round 6.
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chopperhatch : 4/15/2021 7:29 pm : link
In comment 15222358 Jay on the Island said:
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rounders on a RB. Preferably a bigger north/south runner.


I think they should use one of their 6th round picks. I would love to see Buffalo RB Jaret Patterson fall to them in round 6.


Yea, we dont need a very high pickat RB. I love the Herbert kid out of VT. We could have Barkley for 4 more years withthe franchise tags before we would have to commit big dollars to him. If he stays healthy this year and next and puts up awesome numbers (like his rookie year numbers), I think it makes sense to make him a big offer because he changes an offense.
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Old Blue : 4/15/2021 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15222342 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Isn't that the reason we signed Booker?


Is Booker the best they could have done?
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Gatorade Dunk : 4/15/2021 7:32 pm : link
In comment 15222373 Old Blue said:
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Isn't that the reason we signed Booker?



Is Booker the best they could have done?

Based on how quickly they signed him at the top of FA, he's definitely someone who they believe is the right guy for the role.
Gallman is still a FA  
Jay on the Island : 4/15/2021 7:33 pm : link
maybe he re-signs here after the draft.
As a Clemson loyalist I have to ask:  
KeoweeFan : 4/15/2021 7:38 pm : link
Didn't Wayne prove at the end of the season that he is a reliable #2 back? (yards per carry, 3rd down protection, outlet pass, short yardage.)
- What proven vet is available who could do the same?
- Are you willing to take a lower round pick and assume that in his first year he picks up pass pro etc...

Now if you want Travis Etienne, well that's a different story. ;)
I don't think it's an urgent need  
aquidneck : 4/15/2021 7:39 pm : link
there will be FA rookies worth a look after the draft and unemployed vets looking for jobs at the end of training camp.

Barkley and Booker will be the guys at the top of the depth chart. It shouldn't be he hard to fill out the bottom.

That said, gotta get a little luckier health-wise I think this year.

How about Rhamondre Stevenson in round 4?  
Angel Eyes : 4/15/2021 7:41 pm : link
He’s a power back who would work as a nice complement to Barkley.
Bill,  
Giant John : 4/15/2021 7:47 pm : link
What you are not considering is how quickly Barkley will be injured again. Likely in my opinion. Therefore we need a Bach that can move the chains and then some.
They aren’t happy with Galllmans blocking  
Giant John : 4/15/2021 7:49 pm : link
Or pass catching.
RE: How about Rhamondre Stevenson in round 4?  
Ira : 4/15/2021 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15222393 Angel Eyes said:
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He’s a power back who would work as a nice complement to Barkley.


I'd love to see the Giants pick him in the 4th.

RE: How about Rhamondre Stevenson in round 4?  
Angel Eyes : 4/15/2021 7:53 pm : link
In comment 15222393 Angel Eyes said:
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He’s a power back who would work as a nice complement to Barkley.

Also apparently impressed people at the Senior Bowl in pass blocking.
Oklahoma's Rhamondre Stevenson is full speed ahead at running back, despite Mel Kiper's suggestion of a position change - ( New Window )
Last Year  
Mike in Boston : 4/15/2021 8:00 pm : link
We ran reasonably well (i.e. league average) with Gallman (still available) and a bunch of guys we signed off the street mid season.

If Barkley is healthy we do not need a running back, and if he isn't, we can get an adequate one one without drafting one high.
RE: RE: RE: They should use their 4th rounder or one of the 6th  
Joe in CT : 4/15/2021 8:11 pm : link
In comment 15222369 chopperhatch said:
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rounders on a RB. Preferably a bigger north/south runner.


I think they should use one of their 6th round picks. I would love to see Buffalo RB Jaret Patterson fall to them in round 6.



Yea, we dont need a very high pickat RB. I love the Herbert kid out of VT. We could have Barkley for 4 more years withthe franchise tags before we would have to commit big dollars to him. If he stays healthy this year and next and puts up awesome numbers (like his rookie year numbers), I think it makes sense to make him a big offer because he changes an offense.


Ditto, that's my guy as well. He is pretty good at everything but not great at anything. He can block, run between the tackles, run outside, has some shake and bake to him, and willing receiver out of the backfield. He's a perfect change of pace RB to SB while we mostly utilize Booker as our short yardage back.
Sign Otis Anderson Jr out of UCF  
Mark in ATL : 4/15/2021 8:33 pm : link
As an UFA. He’s no Ottis Jr.
TREY SERMON  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/15/2021 8:34 pm : link
rd.4
I have no problem with nyg drafting a rb  
djm : 4/15/2021 8:51 pm : link
Pretty high but I’d prefer one in the latter rounds maybe round 4. If they pick one early you’d think that means there is at least some concerns with Barkley or judge just really wants to fortify the position. We know he really wants to run the ball based on what we saw last year.

Rbs have so much impact on the game. Barkley is a big if until proven otherwise. Nothing would surprise me but you’ve gotta think we don’t go rb until at least round 4.
At the earliest round 4  
djm : 4/15/2021 8:52 pm : link
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I ran two sims where I could pick, alternately,  
Bill L : 4/15/2021 9:04 pm : link
The 2 UNC RBs in the third. I know nobody else here would pick them there, but I sure would.
I am ok Round 4 or 5  
Mark from Jersey : 4/15/2021 9:05 pm : link
I like the kid from MSU Kylin Hill. Good size good hands.

I like Roundtree from Mizzou too but a lot of miles on him IIRC.
its now down to this......  
thrunthrublue : 4/15/2021 9:31 pm : link
Every time S.B. is about to be tackled, cutting, leaping.....he is just one more moment away from being as delicate as tiffany glass in blue wrapping. want to win? acquire some snarling beasts.....and put them behind 8. SB is as efficient as a 12 cylinder lambo.....for every hour you use it,....it'll be at the mechanic X2. flashy and delicate, now slowed by injury get you nothing......in the meat grinder that is the NFL.
I guess am....  
Svengali : 4/15/2021 9:36 pm : link
One of the only ones who likes Booker. I feel like he’s a very good back up rb.
RE: They should use their 4th rounder or one of the 6th  
shocktheworld : 4/15/2021 10:06 pm : link
In comment 15222353 eric2425ny said:
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rounders on a RB. Preferably a bigger north/south runner.


agreed sir, I would love to snag Demetric Felton if he lasts to Round 4...
They should definitely draft a RB.  
Jimmy Googs : 4/15/2021 10:07 pm : link
Feels like early Day 3 type of pick but would have no issue if someone they like is sitting there in round 3.

Giants need a guy that can develop into #2 back and possibly #1 if they move away from Barkley post injury.
i just think we’re putting too much faith in SB based on his rookie  
plato : 4/15/2021 10:57 pm : link
year when he was unijured. He needs to prove himself on the field in duration as well as cutting and acceleration. in the meantime we need to acquire a capable NFL worthy RB, for Daniel Jones’ career as well as success in the upcoming 2021 season.

I just think the board needs more awareness of what maybe the biggest hole in the roster going into the draft.
If we need one, we can find one.  
CT Charlie : 4/15/2021 11:16 pm : link
I predict we target a UFDA rather than draft one.
A few good ones  
Anakim : 4/15/2021 11:17 pm : link
Personally, I'm hoping for Chuba Hubbard in Round 4
Pretty badly, IMHO.  
TC : 4/15/2021 11:28 pm : link
Sorry, I've never been able to share everyone's enthusiasm about "The Hand of God" who despite other worldly talent still runs soft, as he always has. Great guy, great athlete, but given his natural inclinations, and the unknows of coming back from an injury, he is not anyone on whom I'm going to count as the only RB threat. If he comes back strong, he will generate gaudy stats, but if dependent his play, the team may still loose games because he's not willing to stick his nose in and make the tough 3 or 4 yards. Use him in space on the outside where his talents and preferences will make him a consistently lethal threat.

I like Booker and believe he can be a good backup, and maybe more. Chunn may finally show something, but there's no doubt the Giants will add RB talent. And there's talent now, as always, as per below -

Running Backs - ( New Window )
I think the whole point of locking up Booker early was so we didn't  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/15/2021 11:29 pm : link
have to think about it come draft time. At best I see us drafting a guy in the 6th or 7th that's a bulldozer.
Use A 6th Rounder On A RB  
Trainmaster : 4/16/2021 12:12 am : link
that contrasts with Barkley (e.g. a Brandon Jacobs 2.0, I know Jacobs was a 4th rounder) or a RB that can make strong contributions on special teams (Dave Meggett the football player 2.0).

I'm not convinced Barkley  
Bill in UT : 4/16/2021 12:46 am : link
will come back as a star, be it physical, mental, or both. Or that he can stay healthy. But I can't see using higher than a Day 3 pick on a RB
RB is the most replaceable position  
kdog77 : 4/16/2021 1:45 am : link
on any NFL team. Wayne Gallman is still not signed as FA and he lead the Giants in rushing last year. Why waste a pick if you can find the next back up RB on the street?
Depending on what's accomplished in the first two rounds...  
Milton : 4/16/2021 1:50 am : link
I could see the Giants having a RB in the mix come the third round, but no sooner than that.
RE: RB is the most replaceable position  
ZogZerg : 4/16/2021 7:19 am : link
In comment 15222682 kdog77 said:
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on any NFL team. Wayne Gallman is still not signed as FA and he lead the Giants in rushing last year. Why waste a pick if you can find the next back up RB on the street?


This! RB is not a big need in this draft.
Jags lost Fornette last year and replaced him with an UNDRAFTED rookie FA who got over 1,000 yards in 14 games on a crappy team. Barkley will be fine. If not, they plug in someone else.
If you are talking about a Barkley replacement who is a better pass  
Ivan15 : 4/16/2021 7:43 am : link
Blocker and a better inside runner, he would be hard to find. If you are talking about specialists who can do some things better than Barkley, those guys are easy to find in the draft or free agency. I wouldn’t waste a draft pick on one.

The perfect running back can do 4 things well: run outside the tackles, run inside the tackles, pass block, be a receiver. Tiki Barber came closer to being the perfect RB than Barkley is. Barkley can only do 2 of those things well. Maybe he can learn to pass block. Maybe he can change his DNA and run inside.
RE: RB is the most replaceable position  
djm : 4/16/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15222682 kdog77 said:
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on any NFL team. Wayne Gallman is still not signed as FA and he lead the Giants in rushing last year. Why waste a pick if you can find the next back up RB on the street?


I hate this take. While it might be true, it's still an important position and not one that is "easily" replaceable. If it was, the Giants wouldn't be struggling to find one for the last, oh say, 10 years now. Barkley is great, he's also hurt and even if healthy you want two good ones, AND barkley and the other RB can be on the field at the same time.

If RBs are so easy to find, how come most of the best teams have most of the best ones and the bad teams don't?

Gallman is a JAG. He's an ordinary player. We need to do better. Who knows about the backup they signed.
The best teams have the best running backs  
NYGgolfer : 4/16/2021 10:14 am : link
and the bad teams do not? With all due respect, that is just not the case at all. On either end of the spectrum.

Probably worthwhile to take a look at the most productive running backs over the last several years and their teams W-L record in 2020.

Hopefully..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/16/2021 10:16 am : link
Barkley won't be "walking badly" so we don't have to go down this route...
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments. It’s certainly pretty  
plato : 4/16/2021 3:46 pm : link
predictable the Giants will not use a pick higher than#4 but after that I don’t know what they do except that the do need a back up for SB, no matter “How badly he walks”(whatever that’s supposed to mean).

I just tried to extend the focus on the draft to an area that I thought was, and remains, perplexing and “”under discussed”. We’ll see soon enough I guess. Draft is always a long bet any way rather than an instant grading exercise.
RE: If you are talking about a Barkley replacement who is a better pass  
Angel Eyes : 4/16/2021 3:48 pm : link
In comment 15222720 Ivan15 said:
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Blocker and a better inside runner, he would be hard to find. If you are talking about specialists who can do some things better than Barkley, those guys are easy to find in the draft or free agency. I wouldn’t waste a draft pick on one.

The perfect running back can do 4 things well: run outside the tackles, run inside the tackles, pass block, be a receiver. Tiki Barber came closer to being the perfect RB than Barkley is. Barkley can only do 2 of those things well. Maybe he can learn to pass block. Maybe he can change his DNA and run inside.

How do you teach a running back to pass block?
RE: Bill,  
BigBlueBuff : 4/16/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15222398 Giant John said:
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What you are not considering is how quickly Barkley will be injured again. Likely in my opinion. Therefore we need a Bach that can move the chains and then some.

Wow, you're aiming for the moon. I'd settle for a Handel or even a Corelli!

(I'll see myself out)
We didn't succeed with a power running game.  
PwndPapi : 4/16/2021 9:07 pm : link
We were the 31st ranked offense. We couldn't connect on a pass over 5 yards all year due to a combination of the line couldn't block anything to start the year, our wideouts not getting open or dropping the ball and our QB being turnover happy.
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