thinks DJ is a waste of time and should be cut. That's what he's really getting at. And since Gettelman's legacy is directly tied to Jones, you can fill in the blank.
"Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL"
Right, which is why we now have a stacked secondary and made a point to sign Adoree, Golladay and Kyle Rudolph while letting go of two of our largest humans in Davlin and Zeitler.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
could be a very bad GM warranted getting fired/replaced yet still have done a good job since Judge was hired and meshed with him.
Those two ideas aren't exclusive AFAIK.
Also the idea of run the ball, stop the run, etc... wouldn't look nearly as outdated as it does now IF the Titans had held on and beaten KC in the playoffs. Just b/c one team fails at executing the model doesn't mean the model is itself unwinnable.
I am a big DG critic but from my point of view he fucking killed this offseason so far. Before everyone else realized what the ramifications of the new TV deals would mean to the future cap, we signed perfect schematics fits at key positions of need for what I think are going to be good contracts.
If you want take that credit and give it to Judge, fucking fine, but then you have to blame Shurmur for his 2 years. Either DG gets the coaches the players they want or he shoves his vision down their throats, can't have it both ways. I don't think he suddenly changed the way he works for a 1st time HC. If you want to go down the conspiracy theory laden, speculative road that the Giants secretly demoted DG, just go away.
Now, the offseason isn't done. I am eager for the draft. The offseason has set us up for what should be a good draft. If DG hits that, my personal belief is that Daniel Jones will have a better year than his rookie year by a decent margin. Even though I am not sold on Jones I am open to the possibility that he can be the guy. If Jones turns out to be the guy, the narrative on DG has to change some. It will for me.
Really, it changes the whole thing. I can play QB, if they add a Waddle/Smith to the offense as constructed, it is going to be a lot easier to make decisions because Golloday is always open if you have the guts to make that throw. We know with certainty that Jones has the guts. His receivers at Duke didn't get open, it is all he really knows. Waddle and Smith get so open, I could make the throw at 52. Rudolph has a giant catch radius, can block and drops less than a pass a year. Read that again. Perfect security blanket. Now add the threat of Barkley. Really, people should drop the Jones bashing, he is set up to break out this year.
Even if they don't add one of the receivers, OL would obviously help too. If they go D fine. Shepard is a decent 3rd option and Slayton/Ross will have to be honored deep.
If Jones doesn't come through with all that, no more excuses, move on. The talk is that Aaron Rodgers is out of Green Bay next year. Those weapons might look good to him. Stack the offense like Tampa did for Brady, let him pick the GM if he wants. Kidding...no I am not.
Bottom line, rubber must meet the road for DG and Jones in 2021. All in, time for the flop. We have to wait for the cards to fall. Everything is still in play.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
the newbies get a pass and of the ones he did rank, Getts is next to last. Honestly, sounds about right. This is what people think of the Jints outside of our little bubble. Hopefully, Getts makes a fool of this guy, and me, by making all these moves work and turning Jones into a reliable franchise guy.
if i had a dollar every time everyone thought team A and its GM were trash, only to see that same team get the last laugh, i'd have a few dollars. Which ain't much, but if you invest those dollars wisely, in bitcoin, 15 years ago, RICH BITCH!
either you all get your pound of flesh and the big bad wolf is shown the door, or the Giants start winning and have a young in its prime team capable of making a run for the next few years.
I know what I am rooting for. I also know what I think will happen.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
Terps -- I'm not trying to drive you off -- I'm not going to write the Maras -- a bet just between you and I but put out here and publically postured -- a friendly wager -- five bucks ---- set the terms/let's negotiate
Easy fmic...you don't want to go into one of your tirades
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
Clownshoes - no tirades. Tough to rant too hard on a guy who makes squeaky noises with no points. Just fit for a circus...
You haven't made a football point in months from what I have seen. Ranting and bitching from thread to thread, just like you did to in the Mock Draft thread the poster KSIXI put together yesterday which was very good.
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
Look -- Let's try this -- This is what I think a bet looks like between two men.
I'll bet the Giants go 9 wins this year and then have 10 wins or above next year. That by next season if not this season they'll make it into the playoffs, and if it's next season that they go past the first round in the playoffs. I'll put $250 bucks on the line - and I will also start a thread that says Go Terps won and he was right. If you want to do it once this year and once next year or over two years. I can go either way. You want more money on the line. I'll put in more -- same amount each year? Or you can push up the anti and I'll evaluate.
I'm betting on the proposition that the Giants are on the right path as opposed to your position that they are on the wrong path. I'm betting Jones improves -- I think you want him to regress.
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
Look -- Let's try this -- This is what I think a bet looks like between two men.
I'll bet the Giants go 9 wins this year and then have 10 wins or above next year. That by next season if not this season they'll make it into the playoffs, and if it's next season that they go past the first round in the playoffs. I'll put $250 bucks on the line - and I will also start a thread that says Go Terps won and he was right. If you want to do it once this year and once next year or over two years. I can go either way. You want more money on the line. I'll put in more -- same amount each year? Or you can push up the anti and I'll evaluate.
I'm betting on the proposition that the Giants are on the right path as opposed to your position that they are on the wrong path. I'm betting Jones improves -- I think you want him to regress.
State your piece now.
So if I'm reading this right:
1. 2021 - at least 9 wins
2. 2022 - at least 10 wins
3. Playoffs at least one of these two seasons, and if it's 2022 they get past the first round
All three things have to happen? $250?
If I'm reading that correctly, done. That's easy money.
We’re all Giants fans here and no one should be betting that the team should lose. I can never bet against the Giants and you can count me in the Gettleman is a bad GM. I would love to be proven wrong.
I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
No, that's not what I see -- I think you have - and I don't question your passion -- but you have written a self fulfilling script that's just not in touch with reality any longer -- you are so far into this loop that you cannot see the forest for the trees -- and it is relentlessly negative
We’re all Giants fans here and no one should be betting that the team should lose. I can never bet against the Giants and you can count me in the Gettleman is a bad GM. I would love to be proven wrong.
My grandfather told me to never bet against the Giants or Notre Dame. And I never have.
... The team has been shitty and I think everybody has the ability to see that regardless of how they want to view the present.
Nobody thinks you’re a bad fan for being critical of the team or expecting more from the team or whatever it is that you truly want from the team...
... criticism of your criticism only becomes a thing when you become unrelenting, hammering the same points on thread after thread.
There are a number of posters who do the same thing and everyone knows exactly where they stand. The issue is not with where they stand it’s with the intensity that they continue to make sure that their opinion is in front of every conversation.
It really becomes a conversation less about the quarterback or the general manager or the team and more about the aggressively negative fan.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
I don't understand what you are trying to say, though I get you are trying to insult me. Taking a dispute over a football opinion to the level of schoolyard insults is bizarre behavior for a mod. But I do appreciate your cooking posts.
Why is that not reasonable? They draft very well down in Dallas and their name and profile is a big draw in FA. I know it sucks to hear it, but that’s the reality.
no way man totally absolutely and unequally disagree,
I mean the jury is still out on 2019/2020 so wont go there but 2017 draft was awful, Taco Charlton and Awuzie were both busts. neither on the team anymore. Jourdan Lewis was replaced by Trevon Diggs (2020)
2018 Leighton Vander Esch had a super down year last year and Connor Williams drafted as a tackle was moved to center then tore his ACL. Gallup did nothing last year and they already drafted his replacement with Lamb (2020).
2019 Trysten Hill will start in 2021 but he rarely did anything of note in 2020, Tony Pollard was probably their best pick and they already have Zeke.
soooo. yea Jerry Jones sucks and is not worthy of the 8 spot.
I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
Only if you ignore his complete overhaul of the secondary. In fact, his two biggest things defensively have been:
1. Secondary
2. Interior pass rush
Both things in complete step with today's game.
We'll never know for sure, but I feel very comfortable that the upgrade in the secondary is more a reflection of Judge and Graham graduating from Belichick U.
I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
Once Barkley went down you said they would win 3 games. They won 6, should have been 7 if Engram knew how to catch the fucking ball.
So - you can drop the act of “how many games did then win last year? Huh? How many?”
You’re full of shit, and everybody knows it, and the sooner you are gone from this board the better.
So the above is your idea of trying to have a nuanced conversation?
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Guys like djm and myself aren't trying to say that you can't be pessimistic or not like Jones or DG, or whatever you wanna do. We would appreciate a nuanced conversation every once in a god damn while.
It's when you have almost close to zero respect or whatever you wanna call it for the other view, thats when we lose interest in trying to have conversations with some people.
I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
Who would you rather have at the plate with the bases loaded? A .325 hitter or a .125 hitter? It's not guaranteed that the .325 guy is going to get a hit or that the .125 guy will make an out, but the odds are drastically different between the two.
The Giants are the .125 hitter, they have been for years. 2021 by no means is guaranteed to be a strikeout, but until we see them actually get a hit, we're going to expect the strikeout.
Right, which is why we now have a stacked secondary and made a point to sign Adoree, Golladay and Kyle Rudolph while letting go of two of our largest humans in Davlin and Zeitler.
Is this guy paying attention at all?
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
Those two ideas aren't exclusive AFAIK.
Also the idea of run the ball, stop the run, etc... wouldn't look nearly as outdated as it does now IF the Titans had held on and beaten KC in the playoffs. Just b/c one team fails at executing the model doesn't mean the model is itself unwinnable.
If you want take that credit and give it to Judge, fucking fine, but then you have to blame Shurmur for his 2 years. Either DG gets the coaches the players they want or he shoves his vision down their throats, can't have it both ways. I don't think he suddenly changed the way he works for a 1st time HC. If you want to go down the conspiracy theory laden, speculative road that the Giants secretly demoted DG, just go away.
Now, the offseason isn't done. I am eager for the draft. The offseason has set us up for what should be a good draft. If DG hits that, my personal belief is that Daniel Jones will have a better year than his rookie year by a decent margin. Even though I am not sold on Jones I am open to the possibility that he can be the guy. If Jones turns out to be the guy, the narrative on DG has to change some. It will for me.
Really, it changes the whole thing. I can play QB, if they add a Waddle/Smith to the offense as constructed, it is going to be a lot easier to make decisions because Golloday is always open if you have the guts to make that throw. We know with certainty that Jones has the guts. His receivers at Duke didn't get open, it is all he really knows. Waddle and Smith get so open, I could make the throw at 52. Rudolph has a giant catch radius, can block and drops less than a pass a year. Read that again. Perfect security blanket. Now add the threat of Barkley. Really, people should drop the Jones bashing, he is set up to break out this year.
Even if they don't add one of the receivers, OL would obviously help too. If they go D fine. Shepard is a decent 3rd option and Slayton/Ross will have to be honored deep.
If Jones doesn't come through with all that, no more excuses, move on. The talk is that Aaron Rodgers is out of Green Bay next year. Those weapons might look good to him. Stack the offense like Tampa did for Brady, let him pick the GM if he wants. Kidding...no I am not.
Bottom line, rubber must meet the road for DG and Jones in 2021. All in, time for the flop. We have to wait for the cards to fall. Everything is still in play.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
if i had a dollar every time everyone thought team A and its GM were trash, only to see that same team get the last laugh, i'd have a few dollars. Which ain't much, but if you invest those dollars wisely, in bitcoin, 15 years ago, RICH BITCH!
I know what I am rooting for. I also know what I think will happen.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
Or the latest mantra from bw and Jimmy Clownshoes - it's all about 1935.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
Actually the original plan was more about 1935...
Squeaky noises, not purpose - Clownshoes.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
Terps -- I'm not trying to drive you off -- I'm not going to write the Maras -- a bet just between you and I but put out here and publically postured -- a friendly wager -- five bucks ---- set the terms/let's negotiate
No thanks.
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
You haven't made a football point in months from what I have seen. Ranting and bitching from thread to thread, just like you did to in the Mock Draft thread the poster KSIXI put together yesterday which was very good.
you are The Troll...
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
Look -- Let's try this -- This is what I think a bet looks like between two men.
I'll bet the Giants go 9 wins this year and then have 10 wins or above next year. That by next season if not this season they'll make it into the playoffs, and if it's next season that they go past the first round in the playoffs. I'll put $250 bucks on the line - and I will also start a thread that says Go Terps won and he was right. If you want to do it once this year and once next year or over two years. I can go either way. You want more money on the line. I'll put in more -- same amount each year? Or you can push up the anti and I'll evaluate.
I'm betting on the proposition that the Giants are on the right path as opposed to your position that they are on the wrong path. I'm betting Jones improves -- I think you want him to regress.
State your piece now.
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So who's the windbag?
If the bet is about the Giants winning the Super Bowl in 2021 (is that really what you implied? It can't be), I'll bet you $10,000 that doesn't happen.
Look -- Let's try this -- This is what I think a bet looks like between two men.
I'll bet the Giants go 9 wins this year and then have 10 wins or above next year. That by next season if not this season they'll make it into the playoffs, and if it's next season that they go past the first round in the playoffs. I'll put $250 bucks on the line - and I will also start a thread that says Go Terps won and he was right. If you want to do it once this year and once next year or over two years. I can go either way. You want more money on the line. I'll put in more -- same amount each year? Or you can push up the anti and I'll evaluate.
I'm betting on the proposition that the Giants are on the right path as opposed to your position that they are on the wrong path. I'm betting Jones improves -- I think you want him to regress.
State your piece now.
So if I'm reading this right:
1. 2021 - at least 9 wins
2. 2022 - at least 10 wins
3. Playoffs at least one of these two seasons, and if it's 2022 they get past the first round
All three things have to happen? $250?
If I'm reading that correctly, done. That's easy money.
you can agree to start a thread if I win -- I'll also agree to have the money be held by a third party if you like
you can agree to start a thread if I win -- I'll also agree to have the money be held by a third party if you like
OK it's on
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
No, that's not what I see -- I think you have - and I don't question your passion -- but you have written a self fulfilling script that's just not in touch with reality any longer -- you are so far into this loop that you cannot see the forest for the trees -- and it is relentlessly negative
My grandfather told me to never bet against the Giants or Notre Dame. And I never have.
Happy to bet on Getts being a bad GM though :-)
Nobody thinks you’re a bad fan for being critical of the team or expecting more from the team or whatever it is that you truly want from the team...
... criticism of your criticism only becomes a thing when you become unrelenting, hammering the same points on thread after thread.
There are a number of posters who do the same thing and everyone knows exactly where they stand. The issue is not with where they stand it’s with the intensity that they continue to make sure that their opinion is in front of every conversation.
It really becomes a conversation less about the quarterback or the general manager or the team and more about the aggressively negative fan.
It’s dreadful.
So - you can drop the act of “how many games did then win last year? Huh? How many?”
You’re full of shit, and everybody knows it, and the sooner you are gone from this board the better.
So - you can drop the act of “how many games did then win last year? Huh? How many?”
You’re full of shit, and everybody knows it, and the sooner you are gone from this board the better.
Spewing such angry vitriol simply because someone has an opinion you don't like is uncalled for. Try to be better.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
I don't understand what you are trying to say, though I get you are trying to insult me. Taking a dispute over a football opinion to the level of schoolyard insults is bizarre behavior for a mod. But I do appreciate your cooking posts.
Terps just has a different opinion. It's based in some evidence. No need to wish him off the board.
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but Jerry Jones at 8? um no
Why is that not reasonable? They draft very well down in Dallas and their name and profile is a big draw in FA. I know it sucks to hear it, but that’s the reality.
no way man totally absolutely and unequally disagree,
I mean the jury is still out on 2019/2020 so wont go there but 2017 draft was awful, Taco Charlton and Awuzie were both busts. neither on the team anymore. Jourdan Lewis was replaced by Trevon Diggs (2020)
2018 Leighton Vander Esch had a super down year last year and Connor Williams drafted as a tackle was moved to center then tore his ACL. Gallup did nothing last year and they already drafted his replacement with Lamb (2020).
2019 Trysten Hill will start in 2021 but he rarely did anything of note in 2020, Tony Pollard was probably their best pick and they already have Zeke.
soooo. yea Jerry Jones sucks and is not worthy of the 8 spot.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
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Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
Only if you ignore his complete overhaul of the secondary. In fact, his two biggest things defensively have been:
1. Secondary
2. Interior pass rush
Both things in complete step with today's game.
We'll never know for sure, but I feel very comfortable that the upgrade in the secondary is more a reflection of Judge and Graham graduating from Belichick U.
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I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
Amen
So - you can drop the act of “how many games did then win last year? Huh? How many?”
You’re full of shit, and everybody knows it, and the sooner you are gone from this board the better.
So the above is your idea of trying to have a nuanced conversation?
Guys like djm and myself aren't trying to say that you can't be pessimistic or not like Jones or DG, or whatever you wanna do. We would appreciate a nuanced conversation every once in a god damn while.
It's when you have almost close to zero respect or whatever you wanna call it for the other view, thats when we lose interest in trying to have conversations with some people.
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I'm not big on betting on message boards either, but I don't understand the inability to separate what you want as a fan vs. what you see in reality. They are easy to compartmentalize.
There's definitely a group of people here that think you're a shitty fan if you think the team sucks. It's absurd.
its because the shitty fans compare the Giants to the best version of all the other teams around the league which is unbalance and unrealistic.
Its the grass is always greener mentality that drives the smart patient rational fan with foresight crazy.
Who would you rather have at the plate with the bases loaded? A .325 hitter or a .125 hitter? It's not guaranteed that the .325 guy is going to get a hit or that the .125 guy will make an out, but the odds are drastically different between the two.
The Giants are the .125 hitter, they have been for years. 2021 by no means is guaranteed to be a strikeout, but until we see them actually get a hit, we're going to expect the strikeout.