the newbies get a pass and of the ones he did rank, Getts is next to last. Honestly, sounds about right. This is what people think of the Jints outside of our little bubble. Hopefully, Getts makes a fool of this guy, and me, by making all these moves work and turning Jones into a reliable franchise guy.
I guess I missed the part where “three standout tackles” were taken after Thomas.
There was a standout right tackle taken after Thomas. Wills and Becton had very much up and down seasons. Thomas graded out higher than Wills, and Becton was injured a bit, but was good when he was out there.
Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
If DG was an MLB GM he'd be building a team around singles, stolen bases, and bunts
Seems ownership either desired or signed off on the run.... approach.
And TB, Oakland, and Minn. until recently have been fairly successful with small ball.
Those things said, the organization also realizes you need a home run hit(KG) or 2( Smith- Waddle-Pitts or 2nd rd?)
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
You should tell that to the Ravens.
The Ravens aren't built that way. They run because of their quarterback, and they've still been very explosive in the pass game.
Also, here's a recent tweet from Warren Sharp:
Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
Replying to
@SharpFootball
efficiency of the last 5 Super Bowl champions:
I just wonder why ppl care what content creators think. He doesn't appear to have any football background and has never said anything revelatory. He just makes content, probably an English major.
Reading this kind of stuff is the same as trolling any message board on the internet. Why treat it like it's from an expert or some genius getting unfettered access to multiple front offices?
GR knows less about DG and the Giants than you do. Putting stock in his opinion is like making life choices based on what someone who works at the super market thinks of you.
And I'm not a DG stan I recognize he mostly does what he's told
Why is that not reasonable? They draft very well down in Dallas and their name and profile is a big draw in FA. I know it sucks to hear it, but that’s the reality.
I just wonder why ppl care what content creators think. He doesn't appear to have any football background and has never said anything revelatory. He just makes content, probably an English major.
Reading this kind of stuff is the same as trolling any message board on the internet. Why treat it like it's from an expert or some genius getting unfettered access to multiple front offices?
GR knows less about DG and the Giants than you do. Putting stock in his opinion is like making life choices based on what someone who works at the super market thinks of you.
And I'm not a DG stan I recognize he mostly does what he's told
Actually Rosenthal is one of my favorite NFL minds in the game so I respect his opinion. Have listened to the Around the NFL podcast for years and he certainly knows the game (RIP Wess). That being said Gettleman has a new lease on life these last two years so time to prove the doubters wrong with a great 2021 draft.
"In terms of team building, I'm old fashioned. Offense scores points. Defense wins championships. There's been six matchups, I believe, in the Super Bowl of No. 1 offenses versus No. 1 defenses, and the defenses have won five of the six. So I truly believe in that.
I'm going to say this right now. Style of offense has changed, obviously - there's that college influence, so obviously the style of defense has changed to a certain degree.
But at the end of the day, it's the same three things you've had to do in 1935 that you got to do now in 2018. You got to run the ball. You got to stop the run. You got to pressure the passer. Everywhere I've been and with the great teams that I've been associated with – those were three very big staples.
I guess I missed the part where “three standout tackles” were taken after Thomas.
There was a standout right tackle taken after Thomas. Wills and Becton had very much up and down seasons. Thomas graded out higher than Wills, and Becton was injured a bit, but was good when he was out there.
Yep and didn't Wills play RT and was actually projected by many to be a guard in the NFL. Becton flashed but as you said injured quite a bit. His weight under control I understood was also a concern. Time will tell.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
thinks DJ is a waste of time and should be cut. That's what he's really getting at. And since Gettelman's legacy is directly tied to Jones, you can fill in the blank.
"Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL"
Right, which is why we now have a stacked secondary and made a point to sign Adoree, Golladay and Kyle Rudolph while letting go of two of our largest humans in Davlin and Zeitler.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
could be a very bad GM warranted getting fired/replaced yet still have done a good job since Judge was hired and meshed with him.
Those two ideas aren't exclusive AFAIK.
Also the idea of run the ball, stop the run, etc... wouldn't look nearly as outdated as it does now IF the Titans had held on and beaten KC in the playoffs. Just b/c one team fails at executing the model doesn't mean the model is itself unwinnable.
I am a big DG critic but from my point of view he fucking killed this offseason so far. Before everyone else realized what the ramifications of the new TV deals would mean to the future cap, we signed perfect schematics fits at key positions of need for what I think are going to be good contracts.
If you want take that credit and give it to Judge, fucking fine, but then you have to blame Shurmur for his 2 years. Either DG gets the coaches the players they want or he shoves his vision down their throats, can't have it both ways. I don't think he suddenly changed the way he works for a 1st time HC. If you want to go down the conspiracy theory laden, speculative road that the Giants secretly demoted DG, just go away.
Now, the offseason isn't done. I am eager for the draft. The offseason has set us up for what should be a good draft. If DG hits that, my personal belief is that Daniel Jones will have a better year than his rookie year by a decent margin. Even though I am not sold on Jones I am open to the possibility that he can be the guy. If Jones turns out to be the guy, the narrative on DG has to change some. It will for me.
Really, it changes the whole thing. I can play QB, if they add a Waddle/Smith to the offense as constructed, it is going to be a lot easier to make decisions because Golloday is always open if you have the guts to make that throw. We know with certainty that Jones has the guts. His receivers at Duke didn't get open, it is all he really knows. Waddle and Smith get so open, I could make the throw at 52. Rudolph has a giant catch radius, can block and drops less than a pass a year. Read that again. Perfect security blanket. Now add the threat of Barkley. Really, people should drop the Jones bashing, he is set up to break out this year.
Even if they don't add one of the receivers, OL would obviously help too. If they go D fine. Shepard is a decent 3rd option and Slayton/Ross will have to be honored deep.
If Jones doesn't come through with all that, no more excuses, move on. The talk is that Aaron Rodgers is out of Green Bay next year. Those weapons might look good to him. Stack the offense like Tampa did for Brady, let him pick the GM if he wants. Kidding...no I am not.
Bottom line, rubber must meet the road for DG and Jones in 2021. All in, time for the flop. We have to wait for the cards to fall. Everything is still in play.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
the newbies get a pass and of the ones he did rank, Getts is next to last. Honestly, sounds about right. This is what people think of the Jints outside of our little bubble. Hopefully, Getts makes a fool of this guy, and me, by making all these moves work and turning Jones into a reliable franchise guy.
if i had a dollar every time everyone thought team A and its GM were trash, only to see that same team get the last laugh, i'd have a few dollars. Which ain't much, but if you invest those dollars wisely, in bitcoin, 15 years ago, RICH BITCH!
either you all get your pound of flesh and the big bad wolf is shown the door, or the Giants start winning and have a young in its prime team capable of making a run for the next few years.
I know what I am rooting for. I also know what I think will happen.
Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
Terps -- I'm not trying to drive you off -- I'm not going to write the Maras -- a bet just between you and I but put out here and publically postured -- a friendly wager -- five bucks ---- set the terms/let's negotiate
Easy fmic...you don't want to go into one of your tirades
Gregg Rosenthal edit
There was a standout right tackle taken after Thomas. Wills and Becton had very much up and down seasons. Thomas graded out higher than Wills, and Becton was injured a bit, but was good when he was out there.
1935.
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Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
If DG was an MLB GM he'd be building a team around singles, stolen bases, and bunts
It's also healthy for "writers" to be provocative regarding teams with large fan bases to garner clicks.
This is a guy that other organizations knew had character flags.
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Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
If DG was an MLB GM he'd be building a team around singles, stolen bases, and bunts
Seems ownership either desired or signed off on the run.... approach.
And TB, Oakland, and Minn. until recently have been fairly successful with small ball.
Those things said, the organization also realizes you need a home run hit(KG) or 2( Smith- Waddle-Pitts or 2nd rd?)
Baker pick was bad. But were the Dolphins flagged for Isiah Wilson? Did he even play a down?
You should tell that to the Ravens.
I'd love to see the 2015 - 2017 assessment of Jerry Reese / Marc Ross. Flowers, Eli Apple, Engram.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
You should tell that to the Ravens.
The Ravens aren't built that way. They run because of their quarterback, and they've still been very explosive in the pass game.
Also, here's a recent tweet from Warren Sharp:
Warren Sharp
@SharpFootball
Replying to
@SharpFootball
efficiency of the last 5 Super Bowl champions:
RUSH PASS
2020 TB 10 5
2019 KC 16 2
2018 NE 8 4
2017 PHI 18 4
2016 NE 10 2
elite pass game
serviceable run game
Link - ( New Window )
Reading this kind of stuff is the same as trolling any message board on the internet. Why treat it like it's from an expert or some genius getting unfettered access to multiple front offices?
GR knows less about DG and the Giants than you do. Putting stock in his opinion is like making life choices based on what someone who works at the super market thinks of you.
And I'm not a DG stan I recognize he mostly does what he's told
Why is that not reasonable? They draft very well down in Dallas and their name and profile is a big draw in FA. I know it sucks to hear it, but that’s the reality.
Reading this kind of stuff is the same as trolling any message board on the internet. Why treat it like it's from an expert or some genius getting unfettered access to multiple front offices?
GR knows less about DG and the Giants than you do. Putting stock in his opinion is like making life choices based on what someone who works at the super market thinks of you.
And I'm not a DG stan I recognize he mostly does what he's told
Actually Rosenthal is one of my favorite NFL minds in the game so I respect his opinion. Have listened to the Around the NFL podcast for years and he certainly knows the game (RIP Wess). That being said Gettleman has a new lease on life these last two years so time to prove the doubters wrong with a great 2021 draft.
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Gettleman wants a team full of large humans who can run the ball and stop the run, an approach that's out of step with the current NFL.
1935.
Only if you ignore his complete overhaul of the secondary. In fact, his two biggest things defensively have been:
1. Secondary
2. Interior pass rush
Both things in complete step with today's game.
different Gregg. You're thinking of Easterbrook.
I'm going to say this right now. Style of offense has changed, obviously - there's that college influence, so obviously the style of defense has changed to a certain degree.
But at the end of the day, it's the same three things you've had to do in 1935 that you got to do now in 2018. You got to run the ball. You got to stop the run. You got to pressure the passer. Everywhere I've been and with the great teams that I've been associated with – those were three very big staples.
There was a standout right tackle taken after Thomas. Wills and Becton had very much up and down seasons. Thomas graded out higher than Wills, and Becton was injured a bit, but was good when he was out there.
Yep and didn't Wills play RT and was actually projected by many to be a guard in the NFL. Becton flashed but as you said injured quite a bit. His weight under control I understood was also a concern. Time will tell.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
Right, which is why we now have a stacked secondary and made a point to sign Adoree, Golladay and Kyle Rudolph while letting go of two of our largest humans in Davlin and Zeitler.
Is this guy paying attention at all?
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
If they continue on this course we'll be waiting a generation.
While I disagree with vehemently disagree with Terps -- you can't can't even sniff his jock
Those two ideas aren't exclusive AFAIK.
Also the idea of run the ball, stop the run, etc... wouldn't look nearly as outdated as it does now IF the Titans had held on and beaten KC in the playoffs. Just b/c one team fails at executing the model doesn't mean the model is itself unwinnable.
If you want take that credit and give it to Judge, fucking fine, but then you have to blame Shurmur for his 2 years. Either DG gets the coaches the players they want or he shoves his vision down their throats, can't have it both ways. I don't think he suddenly changed the way he works for a 1st time HC. If you want to go down the conspiracy theory laden, speculative road that the Giants secretly demoted DG, just go away.
Now, the offseason isn't done. I am eager for the draft. The offseason has set us up for what should be a good draft. If DG hits that, my personal belief is that Daniel Jones will have a better year than his rookie year by a decent margin. Even though I am not sold on Jones I am open to the possibility that he can be the guy. If Jones turns out to be the guy, the narrative on DG has to change some. It will for me.
Really, it changes the whole thing. I can play QB, if they add a Waddle/Smith to the offense as constructed, it is going to be a lot easier to make decisions because Golloday is always open if you have the guts to make that throw. We know with certainty that Jones has the guts. His receivers at Duke didn't get open, it is all he really knows. Waddle and Smith get so open, I could make the throw at 52. Rudolph has a giant catch radius, can block and drops less than a pass a year. Read that again. Perfect security blanket. Now add the threat of Barkley. Really, people should drop the Jones bashing, he is set up to break out this year.
Even if they don't add one of the receivers, OL would obviously help too. If they go D fine. Shepard is a decent 3rd option and Slayton/Ross will have to be honored deep.
If Jones doesn't come through with all that, no more excuses, move on. The talk is that Aaron Rodgers is out of Green Bay next year. Those weapons might look good to him. Stack the offense like Tampa did for Brady, let him pick the GM if he wants. Kidding...no I am not.
Bottom line, rubber must meet the road for DG and Jones in 2021. All in, time for the flop. We have to wait for the cards to fall. Everything is still in play.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
if i had a dollar every time everyone thought team A and its GM were trash, only to see that same team get the last laugh, i'd have a few dollars. Which ain't much, but if you invest those dollars wisely, in bitcoin, 15 years ago, RICH BITCH!
I know what I am rooting for. I also know what I think will happen.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
Or the latest mantra from bw and Jimmy Clownshoes - it's all about 1935.
But who cares. It's all about 2018-2019.
Actually the original plan was more about 1935...
Squeaky noises, not purpose - Clownshoes.
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Basket isn't the big issue. The bigger issue is the part about building a big team to run the ball. Rosenthal is completely accurate there: it's completely antiquated. And further, Gettleman's done a terrible job even accomplishing that antiquated goal. The Giants have been a terrible running team since 2018.
I hope you remember how wrong you were/are/continue to be when the Giants win their next Super Bowl by building the team the way they are doing it. Because in my opinion your view is completely fugazzy. In fact I think from last season to this coming season it's started going phenomenally well. I'd be interested to know if you want to put your money where your mouth is and wager with me over it -- or if you have no real conviction and are just all mouth.
This is the second time you've approached me about a wager. The first time a couple months ago I responded and you either didn't see or ignored it.
So what are you saying? That the Giants are going to win the Super Bowl? Even you aren't that much of a homer.
My terms would be the same as the first time you asked (though I don't know what we're wagering on): if I'm wrong I'll leave BBI for good and won't come back under a dupe. No more horrible bitching from Go Terps. If I'm right, you as a moderator organize a petition for BBIers to sign and send to Mara asking him to remove his family members from all football operations, and end the culture of nepotism and cronyism that dominates the front office.
It won't change how the Giants operate, but at least he may hear us.
Terps -- I'm not trying to drive you off -- I'm not going to write the Maras -- a bet just between you and I but put out here and publically postured -- a friendly wager -- five bucks ---- set the terms/let's negotiate