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Riddick: DG’s hand is forced with Giants’ NFL Draft decision

Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2021 7:42 am
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Louis Riddick said the Giants must get a player with the No. 11-overall pick in the NFL draft who will instantly hasten Daniel Jones’ development and markedly add to the win total for the 2021 season.


I think the clock has kind of been sped up on this regime and Dave in particular and so I think he knows he needs a guy who’s going to come in and have an impact,’’ Riddick, an analyst on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,’’ said on the “Giants Huddle” podcast.

“I think you will see that kind of affect his decision-making here, whereas at the beginning of his tenure he would have looked at it a little bit more organically and say ‘I’m just gonna take the best player.’ ’’

I can’t stress this enough, you have to factor in the human element of this, if you’re a general manager in Dave’s position and you haven’t had the kind of success that you want to have and you have pushed all your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket.

He is not a big believer in the defensive talent in this year’s draft; he is not sure any player on defense is worthy of a top-10 or top-12 pick. Thus, Riddick expects the Giants to select an offensive player at No. 11.

Riddick could envision a scenario in which the Giants choose from three players with that No. 11 pick: Alabama wide receivers DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle and Northwestern offensive lineman Rashawn Slater.

Riddick views Slater as the best offensive lineman in the draft, largely because of his position flexibility: he can play tackle or guard.

As to the receivers, Riddick prefers Smith to Waddle, but this is more splitting hairs than vehement conviction. Waddle is the more explosive player — the closest thing to Tyreek Hill in this draft, Riddick said — but also has an injury history (he fractured his right ankle this past season). Smith has been the more productive receiver.







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Really just depends on how many QB's are taken  
barens : 4/16/2021 7:48 am : link
before us, otherwise, between Miami, Denver, Carolina, Cincy and Detroit, that could be 5 other teams selecting a offensive player before us.
I wanted the Giants to look at Reddick for the GM  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2021 7:52 am : link
position but I am glad he didn't. When you say things like this it shows his mentality. He is basically saying do what you can do to keep your job at least one more year instead of doing what is in the best interest of the team long term. Sadly, I believe too many people, particularly GMs, think like this. I also believe that DG doesn't feel like this. Anyone can argue the bad for DG and have a valid argument but at no point have I felt like we have cut corners with this team. Like Judge has said, it is a process. Trust the process. I also feel like most of us believe Judge has had a huge impact over the last 2 years on the players who were brought in so this isn't about Gettleman. This is about the NYG.
Riddick not Reddick  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2021 7:52 am : link
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What he’s missing here  
UberAlias : 4/16/2021 7:56 am : link
Is that DG is likely not empowered to make the decision by himself. Butting heads with Judge would be a big mistake. They’re going to select a player that is viewed by Judge and DG as in the best interest of the team. DG doesn’t only need to make Jones look good, he needs to start producing wins snd he needs to do so hand in hand with Joe Judge. This is not the same dynamic as in the past where the GM calls all the shots.
Well, he listed 3 players that have been well discussed on BBI.  
ZogZerg : 4/16/2021 7:56 am : link
I think there is a lot more "group think" going on with this year's draft due to covid. Everyone is chirping the same thing.

But DG isn't being "forced" to do anything. He will help pick the best player they have on their row if they can't trade back.
Good post Robbie  
crick n NC : 4/16/2021 7:57 am : link
In particular about GM's thinking about their job versus what's best for the team long-term. I understand wanting to preserve your job, but the right thing to do in my view is think of those that come after you and what you leave them.
RE: I wanted the Giants to look at Reddick for the GM  
FatMan in Charlotte : 4/16/2021 8:02 am : link
In comment 15222726 robbieballs2003 said:
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position but I am glad he didn't. When you say things like this it shows his mentality. He is basically saying do what you can do to keep your job at least one more year instead of doing what is in the best interest of the team long term. Sadly, I believe too many people, particularly GMs, think like this. I also believe that DG doesn't feel like this. Anyone can argue the bad for DG and have a valid argument but at no point have I felt like we have cut corners with this team. Like Judge has said, it is a process. Trust the process. I also feel like most of us believe Judge has had a huge impact over the last 2 years on the players who were brought in so this isn't about Gettleman. This is about the NYG.


That's a really good viewpoint.
Totally agree Robbiball....DG made mistakes  
George from PA : 4/16/2021 8:08 am : link
But in many cases.....he cut bait and moved on.... disregarding how it would look.

Reese/Ross would keep mistake on roster....to cya.

A ridiculous comment by Riddick
And if the Giants did hire  
McNally's_Nuts : 4/16/2021 8:09 am : link
Riddick, he would have picked Haskins and the Giants would be fucked
DG watches film.  
Ron Johnson : 4/16/2021 8:10 am : link
A lot of it. The player with the best film wins. It will be one of Smith, Waddle, Parsons, Horn or Philips ..... I think
It's a pretty weak take, and I think Riddick is a decent analyst...  
bLiTz 2k : 4/16/2021 8:13 am : link
I mean, when you go out and look at the free agents they signed, including Golladay, they literally set themselves up to NOT have their hands forced in this draft.

His reasoning is kind of bizarre when you think about it.
Riddick would have picked  
90.Cal : 4/16/2021 8:25 am : link
Haskins if he was GM...
This is an awful comment..  
Sean : 4/16/2021 8:25 am : link
I can’t see Judge being onboard with a short term fix with the draft.
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Peppers : 4/16/2021 8:27 am : link
I don't think Riddick is necessarily wrong with his take.. Just misdirected. Of course, there is pressure on Gettleman to win now because it's his job as a GM to field a winning team and he has yet to do that during his tenure. This is a proud organization. They're tired of losing. Spending 200 million in free agency was your first indication of that. Also, when you're picking in the top 15 you're drafting a player who will have an immediate role (exception: developing a QB). For NYG, thanks to all the QBs that will go before them, they will be getting an impact player at 11 and they won't have to jeopardize their board to do so.

Smith, Waddle, Slater would all be early contributors who would aid in the development of Jones. And all three would be among the best available if available when NYG is on the clock. Parsons will be in that conversation as well.
Missing Judge in there somehwere...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/16/2021 8:30 am : link
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“Is an offensive tackle more important than a playmaking wide receiver?’’ Riddick said. “This is what you get paid for. These are the kind of mental gymnastics you go through as a team-builder and that’s what Dave is possibly going to be faced with in two weeks.’’


A section of a podcast and a whole article that only refers to Gettleman and not Judge? Mental gymnastics is an appropriate term for what this front office seems to go thru every offseason for certain, and not in a good way.

DG and his scouting team can do all the legwork/evals/tape watching they want on the players and make sure they have plenty of colored sharpies for the Draft Board. But when it comes down to that #11 pick and there are a few names to choose from, what we really want is to have the NYG front office look at Head Coach Judge and let him decide and call out the name...
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robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2021 8:33 am : link
In comment 15222755 Peppers said:
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I don't think Riddick is necessarily wrong with his take.. Just misdirected. Of course, there is pressure on Gettleman to win now because it's his job as a GM to field a winning team and he has yet to do that during his tenure. This is a proud organization. They're tired of losing. Spending 200 million in free agency was your first indication of that. Also, when you're picking in the top 15 you're drafting a player who will have an immediate role (exception: developing a QB). For NYG, thanks to all the QBs that will go before them, they will be getting an impact player at 11 and they won't have to jeopardize their board to do so.

Smith, Waddle, Slater would all be early contributors who would aid in the development of Jones. And all three would be among the best available if available when NYG is on the clock. Parsons will be in that conversation as well.


I agree but it is how he explained it that I wouldn't want in a GM. I have no idea with any of the three players suggested but the reasoning is off imo. You draft any one of those players because you feel they are the right player to help this team start winning now and long term. You don't draft a player because you feel like your time is running out or you want to correct/answer a prior move. He clearly stated this as bypassing BPA for basically selfish reasons.
I don't think Riddick has said one thing  
rasbutant : 4/16/2021 8:34 am : link
that would make me believe he could be any better GM then myself or half the posters on BBI. Heck I'd take Terps over this guy.
I have no problem ...  
robbieballs2003 : 4/16/2021 8:34 am : link
Not sure how idea was put in there.
Robbie  
TrueBlue56 : 4/16/2021 8:37 am : link
is spot on. Gettleman has worked with his coaches as a general manager whether it was Ron Rivera, shurmur or judge. Pat shurmur was the one who brought Daniel Jones to Gettlemans attention. A lot of the players that Gettleman acquired had ties to either bettcher on defense or shurmur/ shula on offense. Look at last years draft, almost all of the players had roots to the SEC and the connection to those coaches.

Ultimately Gettleman is accountable for the acquisition of players good or bad as general manager, but I don't think he feels any pressure. If anything I think he feels very comfortable because he has a head coach as well as other coaches with ties to the college coaching ranks to give him a lot of information and feedback on a lot of these players. Gettleman wants to win for sure, but he wants to provide judge with the players he desires more.
RE: What he’s missing here  
Bill L : 4/16/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15222730 UberAlias said:
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Is that DG is likely not empowered to make the decision by himself. Butting heads with Judge would be a big mistake. They’re going to select a player that is viewed by Judge and DG as in the best interest of the team. DG doesn’t only need to make Jones look good, he needs to start producing wins snd he needs to do so hand in hand with Joe Judge. This is not the same dynamic as in the past where the GM calls all the shots.


I think that you are overstating weakness in DG. By a lot. I mean, there is no weakness in DG at all in this. It will be, as it always has been, a collaborative effort with Judge (and others) and, as has always been the case, he will make a strong effort to draft a player who aligns with the HC's team building efforts.
Quite ironic that  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2021 8:40 am : link
Riddick spends his days criticizing GMs but he’s never been hired as one
UgH, I hate that he listed Slater's number one trait  
Bill L : 4/16/2021 8:42 am : link
as position flexibility. NOt that he's wrong.

But. really if you're going to pick a guy that high, it shouldn't be for position flexibility. It should be a guy that has such overwhelming talent that he get put in one place and stays there for life. If position flexibility is his primary virtue, then at the #11 spot, it is no virtue at all and, in fact, will never come into play.
“Pushed all of your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket”  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2021 8:43 am : link
I fucking hate when people say this. Yeah, because we drafted him as our QB?? Because we we giving him 3+ years to develop?

What the fuck does that even mean.
Peppers  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2021 8:45 am : link
have you heard anything in regards to Parsons?
RE: “Pushed all of your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket”  
Bill L : 4/16/2021 8:45 am : link
In comment 15222768 ryanmkeane said:
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I fucking hate when people say this. Yeah, because we drafted him as our QB?? Because we we giving him 3+ years to develop?

What the fuck does that even mean.

I wonder how many team in the NFL do *not* live or die by their QB? I would bet almost every team has put their eggs in their starting QB's basket.
RE: UgH, I hate that he listed Slater's number one trait  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2021 8:46 am : link
In comment 15222767 Bill L said:
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as position flexibility. NOt that he's wrong.

But. really if you're going to pick a guy that high, it shouldn't be for position flexibility. It should be a guy that has such overwhelming talent that he get put in one place and stays there for life. If position flexibility is his primary virtue, then at the #11 spot, it is no virtue at all and, in fact, will never come into play.


Bill, I think that’s simply a bonus to have in your physical armamentarium, imv. If drafted, it will be for what he does BEST, imo
Hard to say the clock has been “sped up”  
Metnut : 4/16/2021 8:46 am : link
It’s fucking year 4 here. Time to produce and stop putting up losing seasons. This is a results business. No one is entitled to a 5 year plan without showing progress.
RE: “Pushed all of your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket”  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15222768 ryanmkeane said:
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I fucking hate when people say this. Yeah, because we drafted him as our QB?? Because we we giving him 3+ years to develop?

What the fuck does that even mean.


Its one of many cool catch phrases to try and win arguments. DG hand picked Jones, kinda "no shit" that it needs to work out. And why wouldn't the Giants, or any other team with a young QB, want to get more weapons to help them succeed?

I got nothing out of Riddick's comments, just recycled ideas that we've all heard and know.
I think the Giants are already transitioning to O’Brien..  
Sean : 4/16/2021 8:49 am : link
Gettleman will likely be moved to advisor, so I don’t see this massive pressure to make a short sighted pick.
RE: RE: UgH, I hate that he listed Slater's number one trait  
Bill L : 4/16/2021 8:49 am : link
In comment 15222773 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 15222767 Bill L said:


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as position flexibility. NOt that he's wrong.

But. really if you're going to pick a guy that high, it shouldn't be for position flexibility. It should be a guy that has such overwhelming talent that he get put in one place and stays there for life. If position flexibility is his primary virtue, then at the #11 spot, it is no virtue at all and, in fact, will never come into play.



Bill, I think that’s simply a bonus to have in your physical armamentarium, imv. If drafted, it will be for what he does BEST, imo


I feel like Reese drafted OL with a highlight being someone who could play multiple positions, as opposed to just picking the guy who maybe could only play tackle or only play guard but, my God, was he really really good at it.
Peppers  
JonC : 4/16/2021 8:51 am : link
You're the first I've seen mention Parsons as a possibility, interesting and I hope it's real.
RE: I think the Giants are already transitioning to O’Brien..  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15222776 Sean said:
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Gettleman will likely be moved to advisor, so I don’t see this massive pressure to make a short sighted pick.

Yep, that seems like the move
RE: “Pushed all of your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket”  
Jimmy Googs : 4/16/2021 8:54 am : link
In comment 15222768 ryanmkeane said:
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I fucking hate when people say this. Yeah, because we drafted him as our QB?? Because we we giving him 3+ years to develop?

What the fuck does that even mean.


It is silly, but I guess basically referring to DG spending a lot in free agency to help his young QB out? What we got (finally) was a decent but very expensive WR that played 5 games last season and a 32-year Tight End that needs foot surgery.

I think we need more eggs and Easter is over...
Riddick  
Bernie : 4/16/2021 8:55 am : link
Lost all credibility when he went all in on Haskins two years ago. A person who is supposedly GM material cannot take such a strong position on a player and be that wrong. Especially since there was plenty of debate about Haskins at the time. He should stick to his media gig.
Miami is about to put their eggs in Tua's basket  
UConn4523 : 4/16/2021 9:01 am : link
with Pitts or chase. They will be doing it for Burrow. They gave Mayfield a brand new OL and 2 WR's and a TE. Are there any teams out there save for the Andrew Luck Colts where they didn't try to get them help?

I kinda wish someone just asked Riddick that.
RE: Peppers  
Peppers : 4/16/2021 9:05 am : link
In comment 15222771 ryanmkeane said:
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have you heard anything in regards to Parsons?


He has strong advocates.. He's certainly in the conversation at 11.
RE: Riddick  
Spider56 : 4/16/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15222784 Bernie said:
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Lost all credibility when he went all in on Haskins two years ago. A person who is supposedly GM material cannot take such a strong position on a player and be that wrong. Especially since there was plenty of debate about Haskins at the time. He should stick to his media gig.


+1 ... this used to be known as ‘The Peter Principle’.
DG  
jc in c-ville : 4/16/2021 9:08 am : link
Is not long for the GM role here and he knows it. Simply a combination of Judge having more say, age/ health and let’s not forget the Giants poor record under his watch. Personally, I think he gets shit on more than deserved but that comes with the job description.
One fallacy on BBI  
section125 : 4/16/2021 9:16 am : link
that keeps coming up is that DG is trying to save his job. DG is 70 y/o. He does not want to be fired but he also does not want to do things only to save his job. I think he could give a rat's ass about making moves to "save" his job.
He wants to rebuild the Giants and that is the only thing he wants to do. So implying that DG will pick a player just to save his ass in total bullshit.

IMHO, of course.
RE: One fallacy on BBI  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15222805 section125 said:
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that keeps coming up is that DG is trying to save his job. DG is 70 y/o. He does not want to be fired but he also does not want to do things only to save his job. I think he could give a rat's ass about making moves to "save" his job.
He wants to rebuild the Giants and that is the only thing he wants to do. So implying that DG will pick a player just to save his ass in total bullshit.

IMHO, of course.


Agree with this
RE: Peppers  
Peppers : 4/16/2021 9:17 am : link
In comment 15222780 JonC said:
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You're the first I've seen mention Parsons as a possibility, interesting and I hope it's real.


At first, a month or so ago, I was skeptical but the talk just hasn't gone away.
RE: RE: Peppers  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2021 9:19 am : link
In comment 15222810 Peppers said:
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In comment 15222780 JonC said:


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You're the first I've seen mention Parsons as a possibility, interesting and I hope it's real.



At first, a month or so ago, I was skeptical but the talk just hasn't gone away.


No idea what went on, but If Judge has had a face to face with him, he knows of course whether MP has passed JJ’s litmus test
Peppers just made this thread great re Parsons  
Jim in Forest Hills : 4/16/2021 9:24 am : link
As far as Riddick, watching the Giants podcast, he just came off as really negative towards the Giants. Schmeelk was either oblivious or just a pro but man I kind of wanted to grab him by the screen and give him a shake.
I understand the weapons priority perspective  
JonC : 4/16/2021 9:24 am : link
but I think Parsons will make a bigger impact than the WRs, and I expect Smith to be gone before #11. Picking Waddle over Parsons doesn't compute for me.
RE: One fallacy on BBI  
Brown_Hornet : 4/16/2021 9:25 am : link
In comment 15222805 section125 said:
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that keeps coming up is that DG is trying to save his job. DG is 70 y/o. He does not want to be fired but he also does not want to do things only to save his job. I think he could give a rat's ass about making moves to "save" his job.
He wants to rebuild the Giants and that is the only thing he wants to do. So implying that DG will pick a player just to save his ass in total bullshit.

IMHO, of course.
100%
Riddick might be right about 2021...  
Big Blue Blogger : 4/16/2021 9:28 am : link
... but I think he’s misreading 2018. Whether or not Saquon Barkley was the best player in that Draft, he was by far the player most likely to have an immediate impact.
RE: RE: Peppers  
ryanmkeane : 4/16/2021 9:29 am : link
In comment 15222795 Peppers said:
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In comment 15222771 ryanmkeane said:


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have you heard anything in regards to Parsons?



He has strong advocates.. He's certainly in the conversation at 11.

wow....here we go
Getting too caught up in semantics on saving his job phrase.  
Jimmy Googs : 4/16/2021 9:30 am : link
Simply put, DG doesn't want to be fired because he failed. And the clock is ticking, so immediate results are more important than longer term ones to DG's cause.
RE: Peppers just made this thread great re Parsons  
Klaatu : 4/16/2021 9:30 am : link
In comment 15222820 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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As far as Riddick, watching the Giants podcast, he just came off as really negative towards the Giants. Schmeelk was either oblivious or just a pro but man I kind of wanted to grab him by the screen and give him a shake.


That was my impression, too. I got a very heavy "sour grapes" vibe from Riddick.
#11 boils down to 3 players for me  
Chris684 : 4/16/2021 9:31 am : link
Smith, Parsons or Surtain.

Waddle doesn't excite me too much for some reason, maybe the injury.

If we can't get 1 of the 3 guys mentioned above, I'd prefer a trade back for someone like Toney, Collins or Ojulari.
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