Riddick: DG’s hand is forced with Giants’ NFL Draft decision

In comment 15222784 Bernie said:

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Lost all credibility when he went all in on Haskins two years ago. A person who is supposedly GM material cannot take such a strong position on a player and be that wrong. Especially since there was plenty of debate about Haskins at the time. He should stick to his media gig.

yeah, he even went as far as to say that Haskins would be "far and away" the best QB from that draft....yikes

To me, feels like a guy that will always have sour grapes about not getting this GM job. I am no DG defender but Riddick always sounds negative on DG decisions for bias reasons

In comment 15222832 Jimmy Googs said:

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Simply put, DG doesn't want to be fired because he failed. And the clock is ticking, so immediate results are more important than longer term ones to DG's cause.

He wouldn't be human if he wasn't concerned about his legacy, and I agree...the clock is ticking. I'm sure he'd like to go out leaving the Giants in good shape. A contender, at least, if not completely championship-caliber.

because when DG was hired and every year since, he has actually been very vocal about the fact that he is making the best decisions for NYG and he is trying to build the team and that it will take some time. This flies in the face of all the media reporters who want to say that this pick sucked, this pick was great. Baker is the only "really important" pick that DG has made thus far where you can absolutely say was awful, the other top picks are Barkley (rookie of the year, really good second season even with the injury, torn ACL), Hernandez (decent starter), Jones (still developing), Lawrence (if he makes the jump he's a pro bowler), Baker (awful), Thomas (developing), McKinney (developing)

So...it just sort of seems like the media people who think DG is somehow going to try to "save his job" this season have no idea what they are talking about. He has never made picks to do that.

In comment 15222805 section125 said:

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that keeps coming up is that DG is trying to save his job. DG is 70 y/o. He does not want to be fired but he also does not want to do things only to save his job. I think he could give a rat's ass about making moves to "save" his job. He wants to rebuild the Giants and that is the only thing he wants to do. So implying that DG will pick a player just to save his ass in total bullshit. IMHO, of course.

Not to mention that if you look at the people who have had beefs with Gettleman in the past it isn't coaching staff or other management folks, it were specific players. Gettleman will get exactly who his coach wants and does not have a problem being portrayed as the evil guy in the media. That gives coaches a lot of cover when they are fed up with a player.

DG here....but it's hilarious that John Lynch is NOW being called a top 5 GM....where were these rankings the first few years of Lynch's tenure when they went 6-10 and 4-12?

DG is called a shitty GM when all of the other GMs who did the same thing he's trying to do and ultimately succeeded, are now called brilliant

In comment 15222844 ryanmkeane said:

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because when DG was hired and every year since, he has actually been very vocal about the fact that he is making the best decisions for NYG and he is trying to build the team and that it will take some time. This flies in the face of all the media reporters who want to say that this pick sucked, this pick was great. Baker is the only "really important" pick that DG has made thus far where you can absolutely say was awful, the other top picks are Barkley (rookie of the year, really good second season even with the injury, torn ACL), Hernandez (decent starter), Jones (still developing), Lawrence (if he makes the jump he's a pro bowler), Baker (awful), Thomas (developing), McKinney (developing) So...it just sort of seems like the media people who think DG is somehow going to try to "save his job" this season have no idea what they are talking about. He has never made picks to do that.

You mean the SAME media people who say you need about 3 years to KNOW how successful your drafted player can become (or not), that media?

came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster.

DG, eh, ...

In comment 15222841 Klaatu said:

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In comment 15222832 Jimmy Googs said: Quote: Simply put, DG doesn't want to be fired because he failed. And the clock is ticking, so immediate results are more important than longer term ones to DG's cause. He wouldn't be human if he wasn't concerned about his legacy, and I agree...the clock is ticking. I'm sure he'd like to go out leaving the Giants in good shape. A contender, at least, if not completely championship-caliber.

Yeah, that's all. A winning season plus a playoff game may be all DG is reasonably looking for to retire feeling good about what he has left behind.

And I hope he gets there in 2021...

Like all GMs DG has made some good moves and some bad. Just had a good FA. If he has a decent draft he will be around another two years

his opinion is totally wrong. The team did as much as they could with the resources available to be able to draft BPA. You can argue about the players they brought in all day but they made an effort to address weak areas.

Put him at LG and your left side is set for 5-7 years
Draft WR at 2. Lots to choose from. Very deep
Rd 3. Draft a RG or Center. Aaron Banks or Trey Hill
Rd 4 draft a RB to compliment Barkley sermon or Stevenson
RD 6. ? Two Edges. Hope one pans out

In comment 15222852 ryanmkeane said:

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DG is called a shitty GM when all of the other GMs who did the same thing he's trying to do and ultimately succeeded, are now called brilliant

Don't follow this thought Ryan. How is it the same thing if they succeeded and DG hasn't...even remotely?

Your case to defend Gettleman is that John Lynch had two Gettleman years before his team went to the Super Bowl? Ok.

In comment 15222768 ryanmkeane said:

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I fucking hate when people say this. Yeah, because we drafted him as our QB?? Because we we giving him 3+ years to develop? What the fuck does that even mean.

Because he'll be remembered solely for if he was right about Jones. It's more a legacy thing, his tenure as GM will be judged on that pick

because it took time with the others, that's why. Lynch and Beane needed a few years to put everything together.

In comment 15222868 arniefez said:

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Your case to defend Gettleman is that John Lynch had two Gettleman years before his team went to the Super Bowl? Ok.

i'm not defending Gettleman, i'm saying media has a hard on for Lynch, and they had some really bad seasons before they put it all together (with a new coach as well)

In comment 15222740 McNally's_Nuts said:

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Riddick, he would have picked Haskins and the Giants would be fucked

Yikes.

I love this time of year but its things like that that make me take it all with a grain of salt.

In comment 15222872 ryanmkeane said:

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because it took time with the others, that's why. Lynch and Beane needed a few years to put everything together.

Agreed Ryan. And let’s be honest, the 49ers still don’t have a QB. The one good year with Jimmy G looks like a mirage at this point. Good team, but haven’t won anything yet.

DG so you guys need to chill. what i'm saying is....would it shock anyone if these same media people came out and said "wow Gettleman had a plan all along!" if we go 11-5?

In comment 15222872 ryanmkeane said:

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because it took time with the others, that's why. Lynch and Beane needed a few years to put everything together.

Really? Just a heads up...you are about to go down a slippery slope here with respect to time, progress, expectations, etc.

he sees takes like this from Riddick. He’s in his late 60’s, is a cancer survivor, has been part of a Super Bowl winning franchise, and likely has millions in the bank. I think he’s doing this because he enjoys it. If he gets fired eventually he gets fired. A lot of good coaches and GM’s get fired and their legacy isn’t completely tarnished. At the end of the day this whole process is a crapshoot, particularly the draft.

you need to give this up my dude. I already said I'm not defending Gettleman, I'm just just juxtaposing the media's obsession with GMs who needed some time, and them hating on DG. Just relax man, you need to give it up

In comment 15222877 ryanmkeane said:

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DG so you guys need to chill. what i'm saying is....would it shock anyone if these same media people came out and said "wow Gettleman had a plan all along!" if we go 11-5?

I hope they go 11-5 and nobody says that actually. Because it would be a farce...we have seen how this started in early 2018 and the decisions made since.

"had a plan all along" is a mirage...

walked into a team that had two of the best defensive linemen in the entire league, and one of the best secondaries. He didn't exactly have to do a ton of heavy lifting. The best thing Lynch did was hire Shanahan, their team is basically the same as it was

In comment 15222885 ryanmkeane said:

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you need to give this up my dude. I already said I'm not defending Gettleman, I'm just just juxtaposing the media's obsession with GMs who needed some time, and them hating on DG. Just relax man, you need to give it up

Ok, fine to move on.

But if you aren't defending Gettleman, you are doing a damn fine impersonation...

my feelings on DG are well documented. I said this is the year to prove that the plan worked. Kinda seems like O'Brien is the GM in waiting...but if DG was right on Jones, Barkley, Thomas, etc...lots of folks will look foolish around here. I'll look foolish if we suck again.

that article is trash.

Can't wait until DG drafts a defensive player in round 1. You will hear crickets.

everyone who says "well that's a big IF" or "giants are HOPING Jones turns out to be good..." this is what EVERY GM AND EVERY TEAM DO WHEN THEY DRAFT PLAYERS

DG is on the clock and signing all these players to cover his ass and escalate the development of Daniel Jones.

Childish horse shit. Every team from the dawn of man has tried to give his team and QB weapons. EVERY SINGLE ONE. But now? Oh...it's DG acting like the big bad troll under the bridge again....he doesn't care about anything else except his own ass...JONES has to be good..and he's doing whatever it takes to ensure Jones IS good, and the implications are, this is bad, so bad....so so bad because DG is bad. And he's selfish. And he's hell bent on being right.

Shut the fuck up already. The Bucs went all in on Tom brady last year. The Colts went all in on Rivers. The Jets hung Darnold out to dry, lol. Dallas drafts WRS every fucking year. The Browns went all in on Mayfield.

They all fucking do this. If the Giants ignored the WRs this offseason the media would be going bat shit crazy. Just shut it.

yep, it's click bait and trying to move the needle every day so that they have something to talk about

In comment 15222901 djm said:

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DG is on the clock and signing all these players to cover his ass and escalate the development of Daniel Jones. Childish horse shit.

Yep. And the flip side is that he put a lot of resources into building the D last season, with very good results. So instead of giving credit for that effort, it gets pivoted to the idea he's ignoring the offense (even though he spent a #1 on an OL and drafted another two last season

in round 1 and then these same guys will go "Gettleman making huge mistake by NOT surrounding Jones with first round talent"

that traded fan favorite and owner's pet, Odell Beckham. He traded JPP, a super bowl winner. He openly admits he doesn't really give a fuck what people think. He adheres to his philosophy no matter what people think. DG has all but come out and said he doesn't give a fuck.

But now he's scared and throwing caution to the wind to secure Jones' place in the NFL. Same guy that beat Cancer and is closing in on 70.

Trust me, DG doesn't give a fuck. He just wants to leave the Giants in good shape. All GMs want to win. They would run over their first round QB with a steamroller to get to the 6th round QB if that 6th rounder was a star in the making.

the same GM who was fired from Carolina because he was looking to move Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen against the owner's demands.

(Or did in college) a lot of what waddle did. Not sure what happened there probably no OL so QB had no time to throw (sound familiar) plus injuries. I too like Parsons over him. Slater also. I believe Smith will be gone.

Off topic, but I heard that Tepper is very intense. Peter King mentioned this earlier this week almost as a comp to Lurie. He is very involved in all football decisions and puts a ton of pressure on Rhule & the new GM.

I was impressed with everything Tepper said initially, but I’m not so sure that’s a good sign for an owner. That is meddling.

and his off the field stuff the giants are comfortable with.

If they believe Parsons can have a Devon White type impact it would be tough to pass up on that. White transformed the Bucs defense into an elite defense. Can Parsons have the same impact on our defense?

In comment 15222857 JonC said:

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came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster. DG, eh, ...

Loaded Roster? Didn't he trade for and pay big money for a QB that they are now dumping? Who is their QB this year? Next Year?

He's no top 5 GM. Not top 10 either.

my point with Lynch. The Jimmy G thing blew up and now they are giving up more draft capital to find another QB 3 years later. And yet - everyone says “wow Lynch! What a move into the top 3!”

And there is zero mention of the fact that the only reason they have to do this is because the move that he made didn’t pan out.

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In comment 15222771 ryanmkeane said: Quote: have you heard anything in regards to Parsons? He has strong advocates.. He's certainly in the conversation at 11.

Parsons has been my pick for NYG. He is a great fit and makes a ton of sense. We need speed and play makers on defense. If you look at the strength of the draft it is deep with OL and WR. It doesn't mean you pick those positions in round 1 or round 6 but if you have a draft strategy you can get quality players at those positions in rounds 2-4. Micah Parson is the best front 7 player in the draft. Period.

In comment 15222933 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 15222857 JonC said: Quote: came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster. DG, eh, ... Loaded Roster? Didn't he trade for and pay big money for a QB that they are now dumping? Who is their QB this year? Next Year? He's no top 5 GM. Not top 10 either.

This, imagine if DG traded picks and paid Jimmy G all that cash and we had one good year with him. Even if Jones doesn’t pan out we at least didn’t trade a bunch of picks to get him or pay him a huge contract.

Everyone should know this. DG will survive only if Barkley and Jones thrive.

In comment 15222930 Sean said:

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Off topic, but I heard that Tepper is very intense. Peter King mentioned this earlier this week almost as a comp to Lurie. He is very involved in all football decisions and puts a ton of pressure on Rhule & the new GM. I was impressed with everything Tepper said initially, but I’m not so sure that’s a good sign for an owner. That is meddling.

It is really an interesting situation to keep an eye on. When they hired the new GM, the decision was made by collaboration. Tepper has set up a team of people from all areas of the organization that provide input and, at least at face value, have a say in the final decision. Now, I did hear that Tepper really pushed the Darnold trade over a few strenuous objections, which has led to a lot of speculation that the Panthers will still draft a QB, and Darnold was traded because of the good value and the dissatisfaction with Bridgewater. In essence, Darnold will be a better one year placeholder for the new QB. We'll see if that's the case or not.

Tepper is very intense. He is involved in all football decisions and is the deciding vote. which is why I think it is funny that some posters have declared the Panthers "Rhule's team".

Great points. I’ve always felt the story of Gettleman as the passive lap dog is nonsense. I don’t see a guy who got fired for standing up to an owner, going to a new gig to be dragged around by the owner.

More and more I believe Gettleman has a really strong voice and seat at the table for everything. I think he works with ownership and coaching as much as the next guy, but I don’t think he’s in the back row.

I think he blew 18/19 top-to-bottom, and is doing much better at his second try. I believe he’s going to draft for the best interest of the next 2-3 years — the window he knows Jones, Barkley, Williams, Ryan, Bradberry, Martinez, Golladay, and Jackson are here.

were rumors that DG might get fired along with Shurmur. He has made many bad decisions. Mara has also said he's sick of all the losing. I nonetheless don't think DG is making short term moves to save his job. He's 70 and a cancer survivor. Even if he doesn't get fired, he knows his job is coming to an end. As others have noted, Judge clearly and correctly has a major say in personnel decisions.

My concern is simply that the Giants will overdraft an EDGE at #11. I'm still hoping they trade down a few spots, although I know it may not be possible even if they want to do so.

In comment 15222933 ZogZerg said:

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In comment 15222857 JonC said: Quote: came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster. DG, eh, ... Loaded Roster? Didn't he trade for and pay big money for a QB that they are now dumping? Who is their QB this year? Next Year? He's no top 5 GM. Not top 10 either.

Jimmy G's issue is injuries, and they're about to add a QB.

It's not so much that Lynch is "great", but he's making a bigger impact on SF than DG has here. SF walked over NYG playing a ton of backups and third stringers in the middle of a super bowl hangover season.

that was a walking wounded at the time and playing their backup QB, put one of the bigger beat-downs I have seen on the Dave Gettleman's NYG roster in MetLife in a while.

The 36-9 score didn't give justice as to how much better and deeper one roster looked versus the other.

It was just one game, but also a cold hard look at where these two GM's stood on the team building process.

Was a cool new voice at firat, but he has since devolved into a woeful ESPN mouthpiece. He was awful in his assessment of Haskins. Awful lobbying for the Giants gig and seemingly an awful prospective GM.