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Louis Riddick said the Giants must get a player with the No. 11-overall pick in the NFL draft who will instantly hasten Daniel Jones’ development and markedly add to the win total for the 2021 season. I think the clock has kind of been sped up on this regime and Dave in particular and so I think he knows he needs a guy who’s going to come in and have an impact,’’ Riddick, an analyst on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,’’ said on the “Giants Huddle” podcast. “I think you will see that kind of affect his decision-making here, whereas at the beginning of his tenure he would have looked at it a little bit more organically and say ‘I’m just gonna take the best player.’ ’’ I can’t stress this enough, you have to factor in the human element of this, if you’re a general manager in Dave’s position and you haven’t had the kind of success that you want to have and you have pushed all your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket. He is not a big believer in the defensive talent in this year’s draft; he is not sure any player on defense is worthy of a top-10 or top-12 pick. Thus, Riddick expects the Giants to select an offensive player at No. 11. Riddick could envision a scenario in which the Giants choose from three players with that No. 11 pick: Alabama wide receivers DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle and Northwestern offensive lineman Rashawn Slater. Riddick views Slater as the best offensive lineman in the draft, largely because of his position flexibility: he can play tackle or guard. As to the receivers, Riddick prefers Smith to Waddle, but this is more splitting hairs than vehement conviction. Waddle is the more explosive player — the closest thing to Tyreek Hill in this draft, Riddick said — but also has an injury history (he fractured his right ankle this past season). Smith has been the more productive receiver. |
The Giants team is now better than the team was when he got the job. But, aside from the fact that we’re in a weak division and can win it , is it likely that we’re an upper echelon team. I’m sure Riddick has an agenda with regard to the Giants but why dismiss criticisms that seem pretty valid?
I'm no Gettleman fan, but his firing in Carolina was BS, those were correct decisions the owner blocked.
And as it turns out, Gettleman is still in the NFL and the owner is gone.
I don't buy this. The GM sets the strategy for the organization. And Gettleman gladly drank the Kool-Aid to support the Eli Restoration Tour. Which very likely set the organization back at least two years.
Gettleman is paid very handsomely to get it right. His staff is paid handsomely to help him get it right. The coaches are paid very handsomely to get it right. So I'm not buying this narrative that GMing is basically like playing the lottery and you are at the mercy of some long odds. There are clear ways to significantly reduce the "crapshoot" and get it right more often than not.
This is the same GM who still thinks football hasn't changed since 1935. 1935!
Just think about that.
Even if no draft took place this team is MUCH more competitive than last year. Another OL, DL, and WR in that order even would be a blessing.
The Giants team is now better than the team was when he got the job. But, aside from the fact that we’re in a weak division and can win it , is it likely that we’re an upper echelon team. I’m sure Riddick has an agenda with regard to the Giants but why dismiss criticisms that seem pretty valid?
Should be allowed to criticize anything and everything as long as it can be reasonable pointed to the responsibility of the GM and Front Office.
The won loss record speaks for itself of the mistakes made in evaluating and roster building. But tough to ignore a whole lot of more talented bodies that have been placed on this roster since the new coach arrived.
Unfortunately even a better roster can be undone by issues at QB and injuries to star players.
Big year.
He's been here 4 years now. He knows it's time to win. That's the game he's been in his entire life. It's not going to change who he drafts.
The funny thing is - I think he gets vindicated big time this year and he doesn't even need the draft pick to contribute. He got his QB, Barkley, rebuilt the OLine and has a good D on the field. Excellent coaching staff. I think it all comes together this year.
but i don't think i'd say his hands are forced. it's not like picking an OL or WR at 11 would be bad value or a reach so i'm not sure what he's getting at
He wants to rebuild the Giants and that is the only thing he wants to do. So implying that DG will pick a player just to save his ass in total bullshit.
IMHO, of course.
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came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster.
DG, eh, ...
Loaded Roster? Didn't he trade for and pay big money for a QB that they are now dumping? Who is their QB this year? Next Year?
He's no top 5 GM. Not top 10 either.
Top 5? I don't know. Definitely in the top 10. If you try to push it here, then Kyle Shananan is the best head coach in the NFL by miles. Which is it?
But the intangible stuff Lynch does very well, and the Niners do have the personnel staff at a high level (like Adam Peters) that are contributing to these acquisitions. It may not be appreciated much, but he is about 100x what Trent Baalke was for organizational cohesion with owner, head coach, fans, etc. He probably could have corralled a Harbaugh as well.
I'd say this particular offseason he's done a great job at retaining so many of his players. Trent Williams was surely a goner, and then he wasn't. Lower profile but still important players like Kyle Jusczyk, K'Waun Williams, Jason Verrett were all retained when fans thought they'd be gone. From this moment going forward, it will be all about that #3 pick and the rest of the draft. Assuming no massive injuries this season, expectations are high.
Sure, there have been busts along the way - Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster (character bust). Dee Ford and Weston Richburg might be the highest paid players per snap the last few seasons.
Jimmy Garoppolo is absolutely not one of those busts whatsoever. When you have a top 5 winning percentage, and get into the Super Bowl it deserves a certain level of respect. It's still not 100.0% guaranteed he's off the team next year, and definitely not in the coming months. And his dead money going forward is very low.
Don't think you'd mind having the Bucs safety as Giants GM.
What the fuck does that even mean.
I agree with this. And the Rams with Stafford, the Panthers with Darnold ... the list goes on, teams invest around their starting QB. Some teams are absolutely sure they have their QB long term (Chiefs, Bills, Ravens, Texans well not so much); many have some sort of caution. but still have to support their starter, and others just do not have a legit starter. Which team has a starting QB and doesn't put the eggs in that basket?
He's been here 4 years now. He knows it's time to win. That's the game he's been in his entire life. It's not going to change who he drafts.
The funny thing is - I think he gets vindicated big time this year and he doesn't even need the draft pick to contribute. He got his QB, Barkley, rebuilt the OLine and has a good D on the field. Excellent coaching staff. I think it all comes together this year.
Riddick wanted to be GM at a few spots including the Niners.
People in the know, just know.
If Lynch could be a GM and Riddick not, that tells a lot to me. Sure he played the game, but that's not enough.
Perfect example of this, the Ravens. I mean people act like Ozzie Newsome is the best thing ever, but you look at the actual drafts...they have been pretty solid, nothing spectacular. The key is that they have John Harbaugh who is one of the top 5 coaches in football over a 10 year period.
Lynch is so overrated as a GM.
6-10
4-12
13-3
6-10
Which year looks like the outlier here?
Yeah, I'll give you that he made a "good" hire as a HC.
But, the move for Jimmy G. was below average move and he had more than his fair share of high pick busts.
Lynch can be middle of the road and still ahead of DG.
Lynch can be middle of the road and still ahead of DG.
Shanahan is brilliant, but it's exactly why I'm no fan of the play caller/HC combo. They get lost in the details, when the should be thinking big picture. Absolutely why a SB eluded Reid for so long.
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If the Titans beat KC in the playoffs, are we still having this discussion about DG"s viewpoint on football being out of date?
BBC, maybe a fair point, but DG was doing it backwards when he drafted Barkley when it was very clear Giants' OL was bottom of barrel and nothing for SB to run behind. Not really TENN's problem, even if Henry is a battering ram all by himself.
That was the model the Rams used.
Lynch is so overrated as a GM.
6-10
4-12
13-3
6-10
Which year looks like the outlier here?
Yeah, I'll give you that he made a "good" hire as a HC.
But, the move for Jimmy G. was below average move and he had more than his fair share of high pick busts.
Basically every good player on their team was hurt last year and they won 6 games. All things considered, they won more than they should have.
Childish horse shit. Every team from the dawn of man has tried to give his team and QB weapons. EVERY SINGLE ONE. But now? Oh...it's DG acting like the big bad troll under the bridge again....he doesn't care about anything else except his own ass...JONES has to be good..and he's doing whatever it takes to ensure Jones IS good, and the implications are, this is bad, so bad....so so bad because DG is bad. And he's selfish. And he's hell bent on being right.
Shut the fuck up already. The Bucs went all in on Tom brady last year. The Colts went all in on Rivers. The Jets hung Darnold out to dry, lol. Dallas drafts WRS every fucking year. The Browns went all in on Mayfield.
They all fucking do this. If the Giants ignored the WRs this offseason the media would be going bat shit crazy. Just shut it.
It's absolutely preposterous. We had one of the worst, if not the worst, skill units in the league once Barkley went down. He's truly a rising tide floats all boats guy (bullshit analogy for what it's usually used for, but in football it fits).
So we sign a legitimate number 1 whose ceiling may be untapped (right now I consider him top 15), a flyer on an injured John Ross, a mid priced veteran TE to free up Engram to do his best, and a backup RB and all of a sudden we are throwing weapons at DJ? BS, we needed skill players DESPERATELY.
What's the ceiling for this group? Sky high because of Barkley, but if you take Barkley out of the equation, this overall could be an above average group depending on healthy. Considering some of the health histories here that it's really decidedly average without Barkley.
God your act is old. Find a new one.
until he lights it up, he's never going to live past it.
it's as if DG and Jones fucked everyones mothers by getting picked over everyones "favorite" haskins.
these people need to get over it. Gil Brandt said Jones was the best QB he scouted since Peyton Manning. what else do we need to be said that its not that bad of a pick.
also just as a train of thought thing. didn't someone say shurmur's guy was Lock? hows that going in denver? they were talking about trading for Darnold.
figured you would chime in, thanks for the addition to the discussion, go back to being a miserable prick, thanks
I get where you are coming from. It’s time for results. That being said, when you look at the current roster you are for the first time in a long time, starting to see some semblance of a quality team being put together. We actually have a position group of strength in the secondary and a D-Line that is top 10 or 12 in the league I would guess, pre-draft anyway. Add another playmaking receiver in round 1 and that WR group becomes another strength. Anything less than 9-7 this year to me is a complete failure.
John Schmeelk is doing a great job with it. He gets a good variety of analysts and draftniks, and its really interesting hearing all their in-depth opinions about the prospects. In particular, he had a great conversation with a former Cowboys scout a week ago that I really enjoyed.
As far as Riddick goes, he had some good insight on the corners.
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came this close to a SB win and still a loaded roster.
DG, eh, ...
Loaded Roster? Didn't he trade for and pay big money for a QB that they are now dumping? Who is their QB this year? Next Year?
He's no top 5 GM. Not top 10 either.
Top 5? I don't know. Definitely in the top 10. If you try to push it here, then Kyle Shananan is the best head coach in the NFL by miles. Which is it?
But the intangible stuff Lynch does very well, and the Niners do have the personnel staff at a high level (like Adam Peters) that are contributing to these acquisitions. It may not be appreciated much, but he is about 100x what Trent Baalke was for organizational cohesion with owner, head coach, fans, etc. He probably could have corralled a Harbaugh as well.
I'd say this particular offseason he's done a great job at retaining so many of his players. Trent Williams was surely a goner, and then he wasn't. Lower profile but still important players like Kyle Jusczyk, K'Waun Williams, Jason Verrett were all retained when fans thought they'd be gone. From this moment going forward, it will be all about that #3 pick and the rest of the draft. Assuming no massive injuries this season, expectations are high.
Sure, there have been busts along the way - Solomon Thomas, Reuben Foster (character bust). Dee Ford and Weston Richburg might be the highest paid players per snap the last few seasons.
Jimmy Garoppolo is absolutely not one of those busts whatsoever. When you have a top 5 winning percentage, and get into the Super Bowl it deserves a certain level of respect. It's still not 100.0% guaranteed he's off the team next year, and definitely not in the coming months. And his dead money going forward is very low.
Don't think you'd mind having the Bucs safety as Giants GM.
Jimmy G is 100% a bust. You have to be a fool to think otherwise. They’re drafting his replacement in 2 weeks.
For a 2nd round pick I don't know how that can all be categorized as bust.
This made me laugh. Theo is an NFL RB, not the one making the comments.
Excuse me for answering, but this is all you need to know...
“The first thing we want to be able to do is run the ball,”
-Joe Judge
“The first thing we want to be able to do is run the ball,”
-Joe Judge
It's why he's Jimmy Clownshoes.
Bozo is going to keep using that quote or screaming "1935!!" whenever he can.
Just more fuel for his troll engine.
Is it any more ironic than Mike Francesa spending his days criticizing athletes when the only physical activity he does is sipping diet coke?
No one says that.
These clowsn refuse to acknowledge that the game isn't purely analytics. If it was purely the YPT stat, then why not throw the ball every single down? Oh because you'll give up a 100 sacks, turnover a billion times, and be on your third string QB by the time the 9th game is over.
What Barkley enables teams to do is generate big plays in run game out of nowhere. Not only that he requires the defenses full attention opening things up for everyone else. Why does get all the attention and not some of our new passing weapons we got in FA and probably first round? Oh because literally letting your team get destroyed on the ground play totally deflates football teams and you don't even really turn the ball over or force large negative plays.
If a team has a great rushing attack and a great passing attack - the defensive coordinator is always going to concentrate stopping the run first. At least things can go wrong when you throw the ball. If after that they are getting killed through air, they'll adjust. But you ALWAYS stop the run first. I can't believe people here can't grasp that. It's like football for dummies shit.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
And Dave's comment before yours is screaming 5 years of crap. DG was here 3 years and inherited as bad a situation as possible.
But yea, it's all about 2018-2019. WHo cares what the Giants have today, and that appears to be a team on the rise. Proof is in the pudding, but it looks like this team will be vastly improved from 2019 and 2020.
Also, I know you want to say I look at things with rose colored glasses, but IO picked this team to go 7-9 last year and play much better defense than what was expected. That's pretty damn close.
They will have a winning record in 2021.