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Louis Riddick said the Giants must get a player with the No. 11-overall pick in the NFL draft who will instantly hasten Daniel Jones’ development and markedly add to the win total for the 2021 season. I think the clock has kind of been sped up on this regime and Dave in particular and so I think he knows he needs a guy who’s going to come in and have an impact,’’ Riddick, an analyst on ESPN’s “Monday Night Football,’’ said on the “Giants Huddle” podcast. “I think you will see that kind of affect his decision-making here, whereas at the beginning of his tenure he would have looked at it a little bit more organically and say ‘I’m just gonna take the best player.’ ’’ I can’t stress this enough, you have to factor in the human element of this, if you’re a general manager in Dave’s position and you haven’t had the kind of success that you want to have and you have pushed all your eggs in the Daniel Jones basket. He is not a big believer in the defensive talent in this year’s draft; he is not sure any player on defense is worthy of a top-10 or top-12 pick. Thus, Riddick expects the Giants to select an offensive player at No. 11. Riddick could envision a scenario in which the Giants choose from three players with that No. 11 pick: Alabama wide receivers DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle and Northwestern offensive lineman Rashawn Slater. Riddick views Slater as the best offensive lineman in the draft, largely because of his position flexibility: he can play tackle or guard. As to the receivers, Riddick prefers Smith to Waddle, but this is more splitting hairs than vehement conviction. Waddle is the more explosive player — the closest thing to Tyreek Hill in this draft, Riddick said — but also has an injury history (he fractured his right ankle this past season). Smith has been the more productive receiver. |
until he lights it up, he's never going to live past it.
these people need to get over it. Gil Brandt said Jones was the best QB he scouted since Peyton Manning. what else do we need to be said that its not that bad of a pick.
He said pro comp Peyton Manning, not the best QB he's scouted. Jesus that's how ridiculous narratives start. He had him 17th on the board. Gil Brandt is also just one guy that all you old guys drool over. Guy is 89 years old!
And I say that as someone that is a big believer in DJ clearly.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
Well said. I certainly fit in this boat. I think the team has jaded a lot of people in recent years, understandably so. But the last Eli years was all about just trying to extend his career, plugging immediate needs without longterm planning, and the Shurmur clusterfuck (my money worst coaching staff in league).
I don't think we have either of those issues anymore.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
Bingo.
Also, some of you insist on putting all the blame on DG. I think that's a very short sighted or convenient way of looking at things. But fans need a villian. DG is an easy target.
Blame MAra for the last 10 years. He's the one getting away with this 10 years run of futility. Gee, I wonder why DG didn't get fired yet..? Take a wild fucking guess.
if DG truly walked in to Mara's office and insisted that Eli was worth building around and the 2018 team was salvageable, AND that the 2018 roster could even be rebuilt and blown up from a financial POV, i'd be glad to admit DG fucked things up here. 2018 roster so was clogged and and broken with high priced vets, isn't it worth exploring the possibility that there was little to nothing anyone could other than ride out that year one more time and if shit stays poor, then you blow it up and take the cap hits in 2019? Do you really think Mara WANTED to eat all that money so quickly? Do you really think the GM gets full autonomy to make those kinds of decisions?
For a place that loves to laugh at my salary cap tirades, I am surprised at the lack of recognition in regards to team and owner economics. Everyone goes right to the GM. It aint that simple guys.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
Well said and it's a big part of the refusal to let things play out with a second year HC and third-year QB. Especially after an unusual year. I feel like this is coming from the need to be right, and honestly, if you are always negative, you are always going to be "right". Only 14 teams make the playoffs now and only 1 wins the whole shebang.
It's why this place sucks now and I limit my offseason use to around draft time. Don't know a ton of Giants fans around where I'm at so I'm pretty active during the season. At least during the season there is stuff to discuss, in the offseason it's the same tired talking points over and over again. It's grating. If I still lived in Jersey I doubt I'd be here at all other to check thread titles occasionaly.
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you conflate posters being optimistic with "sunshine and rainbows" as if these posters don't also the mention the fact that the team hasn't been good, the results haven't been good, but we are willing to be a bit more patient because of Jones and the young roster.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
Bingo.
Also, some of you insist on putting all the blame on DG. I think that's a very short sighted or convenient way of looking at things. But fans need a villian. DG is an easy target.
Blame MAra for the last 10 years. He's the one getting away with this 10 years run of futility. Gee, I wonder why DG didn't get fired yet..? Take a wild fucking guess.
if DG truly walked in to Mara's office and insisted that Eli was worth building around and the 2018 team was salvageable, AND that the 2018 roster could even be rebuilt and blown up from a financial POV, i'd be glad to admit DG fucked things up here. 2018 roster so was clogged and and broken with high priced vets, isn't it worth exploring the possibility that there was little to nothing anyone could other than ride out that year one more time and if shit stays poor, then you blow it up and take the cap hits in 2019? Do you really think Mara WANTED to eat all that money so quickly? Do you really think the GM gets full autonomy to make those kinds of decisions?
For a place that loves to laugh at my salary cap tirades, I am surprised at the lack of recognition in regards to team and owner economics. Everyone goes right to the GM. It aint that simple guys.
So you would feel better if we wrote J. Mara/C. Mara/DG instead of just DG with our comments?
--Blow it all up and eschew the solder type moves and get Eli or any other QB completely killed, but, start the rebuild, don't kick any cans down the road, dump off all the vets ASAP, and suck BAD in 2018 and again in 2019 since those dumped dead money contracts all still apply in 2019, but you'd have a slight head start on things.
--do what DG did, try and salvage the roster--get Solder, field a pro OL and see if you can catch lightning in a bottle with Barkley and if it fails, dump the players before the trade deadline and kick off the rebuild in 2019. This is risky because you are signing Solder and keepng Eli, but the alternative above isn't much better, although in retrospect, omitting the Solder move would have been the wise move.
The choices were slim. If we had a Dan Reeves type HC here in 2018-2019 we probably win some of those games that Shurmur lost. it is what it is.
To me it's all about 2020 and 2021. We saw progress in 2020 no matter what people here might think. The D developed from bad to good and the OL went from god awful to just bad, but at least the running lanes were opening for the first time in 10 years.
Now we see how 2021 looks. Judge is the key. if he's as good we all think, everything else will fall in place. EVERYTHING. I am 100% convinced that the great equalizer in the NFL is the HC. Not the QB. THe HC. You can find a good QB. You can't always find the HC. There are probably 10 good ones.
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you conflate posters being optimistic with "sunshine and rainbows" as if these posters don't also the mention the fact that the team hasn't been good, the results haven't been good, but we are willing to be a bit more patient because of Jones and the young roster.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
Bingo.
Also, some of you insist on putting all the blame on DG. I think that's a very short sighted or convenient way of looking at things. But fans need a villian. DG is an easy target.
Blame MAra for the last 10 years. He's the one getting away with this 10 years run of futility. Gee, I wonder why DG didn't get fired yet..? Take a wild fucking guess.
if DG truly walked in to Mara's office and insisted that Eli was worth building around and the 2018 team was salvageable, AND that the 2018 roster could even be rebuilt and blown up from a financial POV, i'd be glad to admit DG fucked things up here. 2018 roster so was clogged and and broken with high priced vets, isn't it worth exploring the possibility that there was little to nothing anyone could other than ride out that year one more time and if shit stays poor, then you blow it up and take the cap hits in 2019? Do you really think Mara WANTED to eat all that money so quickly? Do you really think the GM gets full autonomy to make those kinds of decisions?
For a place that loves to laugh at my salary cap tirades, I am surprised at the lack of recognition in regards to team and owner economics. Everyone goes right to the GM. It aint that simple guys.
So you would feel better if we wrote J. Mara/C. Mara/DG instead of just DG with our comments?
Not really. But it's probably where the venom should be directed.
I just don't see the point. It's behind us. DG is not incapable of finding NFL talent both in FA and the draft. He's not incapable of managing the day to day ops here. We needed the HC.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
That is quite fair.
Although folks here will post what they have on their minds and so is that...
Actually, we could win in 21 even if Jones isn't that good. it's been known to happen. I'd rather cross that bridge when we get to it, but I don't think Jones will hold NYG back at all.
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always will be. I've called out Jones plenty, I just don't belabor it. I've taken issue with DG, and don't belabor it.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
Well said and it's a big part of the refusal to let things play out with a second year HC and third-year QB. Especially after an unusual year. I feel like this is coming from the need to be right, and honestly, if you are always negative, you are always going to be "right". Only 14 teams make the playoffs now and only 1 wins the whole shebang.
It's why this place sucks now and I limit my offseason use to around draft time. Don't know a ton of Giants fans around where I'm at so I'm pretty active during the season. At least during the season there is stuff to discuss, in the offseason it's the same tired talking points over and over again. It's grating. If I still lived in Jersey I doubt I'd be here at all other to check thread titles occasionaly.
Being negative is all the rage right now. If your right you win, if your wrong you still win. I've got friends like this and I cut them out, just miserable to be around.
I've learned from saying things I'm not proud of and I try my very best to keep it cordial. I've had a lot of great conversations over the years on this board taking the opposing stance on something. I've learned from posters I disagree with. But those conversations are few and far between now, its just a matter of time before the thread is derailed.
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In comment 15223235 ryanmkeane said:
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you conflate posters being optimistic with "sunshine and rainbows" as if these posters don't also the mention the fact that the team hasn't been good, the results haven't been good, but we are willing to be a bit more patient because of Jones and the young roster.
We have the ability separate the Shurmur disaster and the Eli last few years from the team now. That's the difference.
Bingo.
Also, some of you insist on putting all the blame on DG. I think that's a very short sighted or convenient way of looking at things. But fans need a villian. DG is an easy target.
Blame MAra for the last 10 years. He's the one getting away with this 10 years run of futility. Gee, I wonder why DG didn't get fired yet..? Take a wild fucking guess.
if DG truly walked in to Mara's office and insisted that Eli was worth building around and the 2018 team was salvageable, AND that the 2018 roster could even be rebuilt and blown up from a financial POV, i'd be glad to admit DG fucked things up here. 2018 roster so was clogged and and broken with high priced vets, isn't it worth exploring the possibility that there was little to nothing anyone could other than ride out that year one more time and if shit stays poor, then you blow it up and take the cap hits in 2019? Do you really think Mara WANTED to eat all that money so quickly? Do you really think the GM gets full autonomy to make those kinds of decisions?
For a place that loves to laugh at my salary cap tirades, I am surprised at the lack of recognition in regards to team and owner economics. Everyone goes right to the GM. It aint that simple guys.
So you would feel better if we wrote J. Mara/C. Mara/DG instead of just DG with our comments?
Not really. But it's probably where the venom should be directed.
I just don't see the point. It's behind us. DG is not incapable of finding NFL talent both in FA and the draft. He's not incapable of managing the day to day ops here. We needed the HC.
With all due respect djm, not sure anybody is concerned whether you do see the point in the way they want to interact on this board as Giant fans.
Look, it will be behind us when the team is consistently winning again and reasonably competitive in the league.
Until then, start all the forward-thinking threads you want and post as you please...no one is stopping you
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always will be. I've called out Jones plenty, I just don't belabor it. I've taken issue with DG, and don't belabor it.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
Well said and it's a big part of the refusal to let things play out with a second year HC and third-year QB. Especially after an unusual year. I feel like this is coming from the need to be right, and honestly, if you are always negative, you are always going to be "right". Only 14 teams make the playoffs now and only 1 wins the whole shebang.
It's why this place sucks now and I limit my offseason use to around draft time. Don't know a ton of Giants fans around where I'm at so I'm pretty active during the season. At least during the season there is stuff to discuss, in the offseason it's the same tired talking points over and over again. It's grating. If I still lived in Jersey I doubt I'd be here at all other to check thread titles occasionaly.
Being negative is all the rage right now. If your right you win, if your wrong you still win. I've got friends like this and I cut them out, just miserable to be around.
I've learned from saying things I'm not proud of and I try my very best to keep it cordial. I've had a lot of great conversations over the years on this board taking the opposing stance on something. I've learned from posters I disagree with. But those conversations are few and far between now, its just a matter of time before the thread is derailed.
Yup, miserable. I’ve cut out friends on here, Facebook, as well as relatives for the obvious reasons..
It's when you have almost close to zero respect or whatever you wanna call it for the other view, thats when we lose interest in trying to have conversations with some people.
Some posters just want to say "Jones sucks" and then in the same breath they reference veteran QBs who needed MORE time than Jones to become who they are today. That's why it is a pointless discussion. When you can't even get to a point of being realistic about something, thats when you lose me
And yet Judge put that off for a year when he got the job.
I'm sure he does and always has. But Riddick is suggesting that somehow his pick will be a "win now" pick but I can argue that DG is ready to retire soon anyway (why else did we bring in OBrien?). Riddick is pot stirring, and isn't saying anything new.
If that is true, I'm not sure how you and many others can use such an opinion to defend DG. DG himself admitted that when he took over, he overrated the roster and believed they could still win.
It seems as though that should be one of the more simple tasks of the GM, assessing one's own roster and how extensive a rebuild will be required to compete.
Either it's not true that it was "as bas a situation as possible" or misjudging that roster was an inexcusable screw-up on DG's part.
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Gettleman is under some pressure to win now? He has been the GM for 3 seasons and the team never won more than 6 games. This is his 4th season so I expect some pressure on him to put together a winning team. What Riddick said wasn't far fetched. The team needs to build around DJ and Riddick is acknowledging that fact.
I'm sure he does and always has. But Riddick is suggesting that somehow his pick will be a "win now" pick but I can argue that DG is ready to retire soon anyway (why else did we bring in OBrien?). Riddick is pot stirring, and isn't saying anything new.
You may not like Riddick but he suggested the pick should/could be Slater, Smith or Waddle. Three names which are probably mentioned on this site by posters every 10 minutes.
Does every poster on the site also think these are "win now" picks or just prudent picks for the Giants?
One of the great joys of being a fan is to be able to complain when a team is a loser, and be delusional when they are a winner.
I’ve typically been an optimist. What turned me sour on this team was when Mara gave the ultimatum to Reese to win or else. All of the big decisions from there out were wrong, and so predictable and obvious.
I believe Judge is the turning point, and basically every decision since he walked in the door has been pretty good.
I’m cautiously optimistic about Jones, and I’m somewhere south of that on Barkley. I just hope if those two don’t play at a high level next year, the Giants move on from them, and let Judge pick his cornerstones.
But it's kind of crazy that the national media doesn't understand that this is Joe Judge's team and he's likely had and will have a huge hand in Free Agency and the draft.
But it's kind of crazy that the national media doesn't understand that this is Joe Judge's team and he's likely had and will have a huge hand in Free Agency and the draft.
Why is it crazy? BBIers don't know for certain that Judge has had any more influence on those decisions than any other recent HC. It seems more crazy to believe that Mara would mandate that Judge, who had never been a head coach at any level, would be given more of a voice than others. I'm sure DG works with Judge just as he had with Shurmur.
It's when you have almost close to zero respect or whatever you wanna call it for the other view, thats when we lose interest in trying to have conversations with some people.
Some posters just want to say "Jones sucks" and then in the same breath they reference veteran QBs who needed MORE time than Jones to become who they are today. That's why it is a pointless discussion. When you can't even get to a point of being realistic about something, thats when you lose me
Yeah, I hear you ryan. I want Jones to be the guy as much as anyone. He had a really poor year and I will agree with those posts, but absolutely support giving him Year 3 to get it together. Him not doing so really changes the rebuilding landscape dramatically imv so hopefully he does.
I just can't get there with Getts because he is too easy of a target of making these last several years a waste of time with his crappy decisions. And this was on top of several years of bad moves from his predecessor. Yes, recent moves have been better but we all know the reason why that is. Retirement is all I want to hear about from DG.
Relative to pointless conversations, you know you can avoid the ones you want to very easily. But we both know you (and many others I can point to on this very thread) cannot bear to do that. You all want to mix it up with others, and way too often seek it out proactively.
I will just say you can't want to converse with certain people almost daily and then complain how that doesn't go well. Talk about pointless...
More competitive than prior years, yes. But I am talking about putting a competitive team on the field that can matchup up with teams that are looking to win a title. We aren't there yet...
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the offensive roster he was given, and realizes he has one of the worst set of wide receiver & tight end units in the NFL and a QB with no pocket awareness...
And yet Judge put that off for a year when he got the job.
Don't follow...you want to pin that on a rookie HC?
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
Amen! This place has way more zealots than it does rationale posters. There is the Giants do no wrong vs the Giants only do wrong. And you can usually tell who they are because they post incessantly and end every post insulting someone else or dismissing everything they said as being biased.
There were always arrogant a-holes on this site, but the number of people who think they need to win an argument on the internet is shocking.
It's when you have almost close to zero respect or whatever you wanna call it for the other view, thats when we lose interest in trying to have conversations with some people.
Some posters just want to say "Jones sucks" and then in the same breath they reference veteran QBs who needed MORE time than Jones to become who they are today. That's why it is a pointless discussion. When you can't even get to a point of being realistic about something, thats when you lose me
There's plenty of "cheerleader" posters who won't entertain any criticism of DG or DJ, and others who just name call or say shut up. JG, GT, and the other pessimists get more crap thrown at them than vice versa
OTs and OGs in a state of flux.
A great RB who may, or may not still be great.
If you give Jones the same offensive players as last year, you will get the same results as last year.
We need to spend days 1 & 2 on offense and maybe day 3.
For a 2nd round pick I don't know how that can all be categorized as bust.
People pick and choose the fate of draft picks it seems. All they want to talk about is the good guys, not the graveyard of players that anyone can barely remember. How many QBs are drafted in 2nd round every year? How many go on to become starter level in this league? 10-20%?
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always will be. I've called out Jones plenty, I just don't belabor it. I've taken issue with DG, and don't belabor it.
This board is becoming an exact replica of the world we live in - too many people trying to be right, almost no middle ground. Just a cesspool. Personally I can't imagine trying to "win" a message board but apparently its quite popular.
Finally, I don't give two shits about pre 2021 - it couldn't be any less relevant for me. We've had an active offseason, we've got a good a shot at an impact player (or 2) in 2 weeks, and the right man leading the team. I'll enjoy those things instead of dwelling on what I can't control.
Amen! This place has way more zealots than it does rationale posters. There is the Giants do no wrong vs the Giants only do wrong. And you can usually tell who they are because they post incessantly and end every post insulting someone else or dismissing everything they said as being biased.
There were always arrogant a-holes on this site, but the number of people who think they need to win an argument on the internet is shocking.
The biggest thing I've noticed, is people argue like lawyers now. Like they are representing one side of a case, instead of just having conversations and possibly changing positions. God forbid I change my original stance based on newly presented information that I didn't consider. Sounds like some shit Stalin would make you do.
For a 2nd round pick I don't know how that can all be categorized as bust.
He’s been hurt most of his tenure in SF and was essentially a passenger on their run to the SB where he choked away the lead they had. What did they run for in the NFCC, 300 yards? Now they’re drafting his replacement. I don’t see how any reasonable person can say he hasn’t been a bust. That team is loaded everywhere besides QB.
The Giants team is now better than the team was when he got the job. But, aside from the fact that we’re in a weak division and can win it , is it likely that we’re an upper echelon team. I’m sure Riddick has an agenda with regard to the Giants but why dismiss criticisms that seem pretty valid?
No. You’re 100% accurate. While things appear to be looking up the results under Gettleman have been horrible.
Worth noting is he’s only started the equivalent of 2 full seasons in his career. Injuries have really disrupted his time in SF.
This x1000. This is clearly what is happening. I think we are heading towards an O’Brien/Judge partnership. Both have New England ties. Both are young.
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What does it tell you when the team makes a high profile hire out of the Lions and we sign three Lions players and two players from one of the Lions divisional rivals? Connect the dots.
This x1000. This is clearly what is happening. I think we are heading towards an O’Brien/Judge partnership. Both have New England ties. Both are young.
Please let this be so. Gettleman is the guy at the blackjack table splitting 10s and taking the dealer's bust cards. Once he gets up and leaves we can finally start playing.
If you watch 2020, Gettleman mostly referred to Judge in discussing the picks. Maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I noticed it.
And I haven't been that impressed with Jones, but the reality is that he's going to be the QB for the Giants this year and I'm accepting of the prospect that any QB could make a big leap in year 3. I'm really rooting for him. But for me, this is a sink or swim year - if we're still debating whether Jones is a franchise QB after this season then the answer has to be that he isn't.
And I haven't been that impressed with Jones, but the reality is that he's going to be the QB for the Giants this year and I'm accepting of the prospect that any QB could make a big leap in year 3. I'm really rooting for him. But for me, this is a sink or swim year - if we're still debating whether Jones is a franchise QB after this season then the answer has to be that he isn't.
I mean all the rational people. The offense could finish top 10, with DJ accounting for 35 TDs with league average turnovers and we'd still have people saying he's not the guy. Let's see him repeat it, oh it's this awesome cast we put together (I merely think we gave him actually NFL players to work with), or insert whatever asinine reason here.
2021 Targets
- Score 25 points per game.
- Achieve an AY/A of 7.5.
- Throw 30 TD passes.
- Allow fewer than 30 sacks
So adjust the TD passes and sacks for one more regular season game. These are not elite goals. They are slightly above average. Jones hits these and I'll get off his back.
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Personally, with the way this offense is constructed, and assuming us going offense round 1, I expect this offense to be in the top 12 as far as YPP and points (with a solid defense backing them). When you factor in health, I think our skill players are above average now, and we have a middle of the road offensive line that run blocks well, but pass protects poorly. Obviously, depending on health (both ways) the expectations can change. Things are always fluid in the NFL due to the nature of the game.
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What does it tell you when the team makes a high profile hire out of the Lions and we sign three Lions players and two players from one of the Lions divisional rivals? Connect the dots.
This x1000. This is clearly what is happening. I think we are heading towards an O’Brien/Judge partnership. Both have New England ties. Both are young.
Happy days ahead...
Personally, with the way this offense is constructed, and assuming us going offense round 1, I expect this offense to be in the top 12 as far as YPP and points (with a solid defense backing them). When you factor in health, I think our skill players are above average now, and we have a middle of the road offensive line that run blocks well, but pass protects poorly. Obviously, depending on health (both ways) the expectations can change. Things are always fluid in the NFL due to the nature of the game.
No more excuses. Jones is getting a year that in my opinion he doesn't deserve. I think there's a high probability this year ends up worse than it could have been because he's getting that year.
I don't want to hear it. Jones can go play well and be at minimum an above average producer at quarterback, or he can go away. Enough already.
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when evaluating QB play. The offensive scheme and surrounding talent dictate a majority of that. I look at the QB situation more holistically.
Personally, with the way this offense is constructed, and assuming us going offense round 1, I expect this offense to be in the top 12 as far as YPP and points (with a solid defense backing them). When you factor in health, I think our skill players are above average now, and we have a middle of the road offensive line that run blocks well, but pass protects poorly. Obviously, depending on health (both ways) the expectations can change. Things are always fluid in the NFL due to the nature of the game.
No more excuses. Jones is getting a year that in my opinion he doesn't deserve. I think there's a high probability this year ends up worse than it could have been because he's getting that year.
I don't want to hear it. Jones can go play well and be at minimum an above average producer at quarterback, or he can go away. Enough already.
So isn’t that why we got a good wide receiver and two-way tight end, trying to make less excuses for Jones?
As for giving two years for a quarterback, have a little patience, all right? Would you have fired Eli Manning if he didn’t gel in 2005? It took until ‘07 for him to really be accepted. Brady wasn’t a particularly great quarterback in the regular season until maybe ‘03, his second full season as a starter. Would you have fired him?
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In comment 15224304 Zeke's Alibi said:
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when evaluating QB play. The offensive scheme and surrounding talent dictate a majority of that. I look at the QB situation more holistically.
Personally, with the way this offense is constructed, and assuming us going offense round 1, I expect this offense to be in the top 12 as far as YPP and points (with a solid defense backing them). When you factor in health, I think our skill players are above average now, and we have a middle of the road offensive line that run blocks well, but pass protects poorly. Obviously, depending on health (both ways) the expectations can change. Things are always fluid in the NFL due to the nature of the game.
No more excuses. Jones is getting a year that in my opinion he doesn't deserve. I think there's a high probability this year ends up worse than it could have been because he's getting that year.
I don't want to hear it. Jones can go play well and be at minimum an above average producer at quarterback, or he can go away. Enough already.
So isn’t that why we got a good wide receiver and two-way tight end, trying to make less excuses for Jones?
As for giving two years for a quarterback, have a little patience, all right? Would you have fired Eli Manning if he didn’t gel in 2005? It took until ‘07 for him to really be accepted. Brady wasn’t a particularly great quarterback in the regular season until maybe ‘03, his second full season as a starter. Would you have fired him?
The league as a whole isn't as patient as it was in the early 00s. I expect new QBs to get 3 years max, or they're getting replaced
For a 2nd round pick I don't know how that can all be categorized as bust.
If you like winning football games you'll like Garoppolo.
If you need sexy stats and ways to look good while losing, you won't like him.