almost every road leads back to him. It is no coincidence that these stories are coming out now - after he lost all power and control.
And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
RE: what's frustrating is that there is a clear villain - Jeff Wilpon
almost every road leads back to him. It is no coincidence that these stories are coming out now - after he lost all power and control.
And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
100% agreed with this. I said this on Twitter, but it sure as fuck seemed as us Mets fans knew the Wilpons -- particularly Jeff -- was assholes. I remember after the unwed pregnancy story and someone on NYFS -- might have been Metro -- said "Jeff Wilpon is the last person who should criticize anyone over not having a ring."
Anyway, read the whole thing as an Athletic subscriber. Felt the events recorded were sickening, but also don't quite understand the belated rush to chronicle the Wilpon years now.
As a veteran of many Mets scandals, this seems rather low on the board given that ownership has changed.
Felt the events recorded were sickening, but also don't quite understand the belated rush to chronicle the Wilpon years now.
this is an excellent point I hadn't even considered re: the rush by writers to now dig in deep on NYM culture.
How many years did fans beg writers to write about the problems with the org under the Wilpons? How many years ago was the Omar Minaya/Tony Bernazard/Adam Rubin thing? The Madoff stuff? The BS with the payroll? The numerous failed sale attempts? Knocking players after they left?
With the exception of Carig none of them were willing to write those stories when they needed access from the Wilpons so it comes off as awfully hypocritical to write them now and act gobsmacked. Jeff Wilpon was and is an all time D bag. Everyone who has ever dealt with him knows that to be true. The entire way they got the team from Doubleday was evidence and that was day 1 of their ownership.
But sure, now that he's gone let's keep kicking shit on the Mets. Someone else mentioned it on one of the other threads and it's totally true - if there should be any accountability here it should be Jeff getting booted from his ownership position.
On social media and reddit blasting Cohen for re-hiring Alderson when they say he was "part of the problem". Already the push from these same kinds with the whole "if Cohen is serious about changing things he'll replace Alderson".
So at the very least I would expect the media to poke around at that line of thinking for a few days.
There is a problem with the setup. Porter didn’t do anything as a Met yet he is put out as one of the leading symbols of Mets problems. It’s so misleading.
The Mets cannot act as swiftly and decisively as you did with Porter, say all the right things and then turn a blind eye to this.
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
Here come the pitchforks. Porter? The allegations against Porter came out after he was hired. They were private text messages between him and a reporter. If the reporter didn't disclose them publicly, how is Sandy supposed to know about them?
"cancel culture" perfectly and people will criticize him for it and some will say "but cancel culture doesn't exist" but this is the whole point of why so many people hate it.
This is the only part of the article worth printing.
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...In an interview, Alderson chastised The Athletic for what he felt was an unfair characterization of how the organization handled allegations of wrongdoing. He also felt some stories spotlighted employees who were tasked with gathering information but were not decision-makers.
“Let me try to make a point as strongly as I can, OK? Not every instance involving men, women in the workplace is a capital offense, OK? Every time something happens, it doesn’t mean somebody has to be fired,” Alderson said. “There are a lot of intermediate steps that can be taken and we’ve done that in a variety of different cases. And have included capital punishment as a consequence in some cases, but not every case rises to the level of execution. And that’s what honestly I think is happening with these articles (in The Athletic). People are getting executed, including women, by the way, for reasons that are unjustifiable.”...
we live in bizarre times. Some things the internet mob comes for and there are immediate resignations because the person/entity doesn't want the bad publicity. Other, sometimes much more serious issues, seem to skate by.
the thing is this is being handled appropriately by the Mets
Newman had some accusations leveled against him, which he denies. Cohen has hired outside counsel to investigate the incident and make recommendations on improvements within the organization. That is how the properly act in a situation like this. Unfortunately, some are not satisfied if there is not an immediate public stoning.
The Mets cannot act as swiftly and decisively as you did with Porter, say all the right things and then turn a blind eye to this.
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
Here come the pitchforks. Porter? The allegations against Porter came out after he was hired. They were private text messages between him and a reporter. If the reporter didn't disclose them publicly, how is Sandy supposed to know about them?
He isn't. Presumably, he should know about any complaints made against senior execs in the organization made by current employees. Doesnt appear HR did their job.
RE: the thing is this is being handled appropriately by the Mets
Newman had some accusations leveled against him, which he denies. Cohen has hired outside counsel to investigate the incident and make recommendations on improvements within the organization. That is how the properly act in a situation like this. Unfortunately, some are not satisfied if there is not an immediate public stoning.
Why do you suppose that is? Could it possibly have anything to do with decades of powerful men being protected and women silenced?
What Callaway and Portman did might seem benign to some, but it creates a toxic work environment for all involved. I'm also willing to wager it want a one-off. They'd likely been doing it for decades and been getting away with it.
This isn't cancel culture - whatever that means anymore. Seems like everything falls under the umbrella of cancel culture to some these days.
RE: RE: the thing is this is being handled appropriately by the Mets
Newman had some accusations leveled against him, which he denies. Cohen has hired outside counsel to investigate the incident and make recommendations on improvements within the organization. That is how the properly act in a situation like this. Unfortunately, some are not satisfied if there is not an immediate public stoning.
Why do you suppose that is? Could it possibly have anything to do with decades of powerful men being protected and women silenced?
What Callaway and Portman did might seem benign to some, but it creates a toxic work environment for all involved. I'm also willing to wager it want a one-off. They'd likely been doing it for decades and been getting away with it.
This isn't cancel culture - whatever that means anymore. Seems like everything falls under the umbrella of cancel culture to some these days.
Nobody said it was benign if true. All I'm saying is 1. to investigate the allegations. People have a right to due process and 2. if the allegations are true, hold the perpetrator responsible.
Callaway is long gone. Porter was fired. If the allegations against Newman are true, he will be gone. But coming after Sandy because he hired a Porter, when the allegations were not public? Come on.
While it may not be cancel culture per se, it is the same "stoning in the public square" attitude that permeates both.
Cohen is handling this correctly. Prior to him buying the Mets, there were obviously some issues with the culture. He is a having a team come in to see what he can do to improve the working conditions/atmosphere for all employees, and create a culture where this stuff is nipped in the butt immediately.
He was minority owner while this was going on. He was minority owner when Callaway had been brought in to manage - along with his baggage. He was minority owner when Porter was hired. He was minority owner when an employee was fired for having a child out of wedlock.
You wouldn't need an outside firm to come in to investigate culture if you have a properly functioning HR department that takes these types of instances seriously in the first place and employees feel comfortable bringing these issues forward. That's the crux of the issue and why it's such a crippling organizational issue.
do we blame him? You do know what minority owner means, right? Cohen is now majority owner. He sees there were some culture issues from when he was minority owner. He is taking steps to try to change that. I don't see the issue.
the authors cite multiple times how people seemed offended, and expected because they were offended the person who offended them would be fired. Even the authors seemed surprised that people weren't fired for offending others.
Sandy's point is not every incident has to result in firing and that is 100% how society acts today - and that is cancel culture and it's real.
I get it's cliche these days to make cancel culture out to be a right wing conspiracy theory boogeyman, but just read the f-ing article - it reeks of millennial entitlement (and I hate to sweep with a broad brush, but..).
Absolutely some times people (and some of the subjects of in this article) cross the line and when it happens it should be dealt with. APPROPRIATELY. When that doesn't happen the people responsible for dealing with it should be held accountable. But who are they?
This isn't about Mickey Callaway or Rob Porter. Porter was fired the second his story became public. This is about the Wilpons who are no longer here and an HR woman who allgedly catered to the Wilpons but she denies that.
what is the point of this article?
I kept waiting for the "holy shit I can't believe the Mets allowed that to happen" moment and none came it reads like a facebook page of gripes. "Someone said mean things to me at work" "my boss is an asshole but he can help me get ahead in my career" - welcome to the real fucking world.
say something like being a minority owner was like being a season ticket holder who paid way too much for their seats? It doesn't sound like he was too involved in anything.
I kept waiting for the "holy shit I can't believe the Mets allowed that to happen" moment and none came it reads like a facebook page of gripes. "Someone said mean things to me at work" "my boss is an asshole but he can help me get ahead in my career" - welcome to the real fucking world.
It really boggles my mind that Jeff Wilpon is somehow an afterthought re: consequences here and like always others are somehow being asked to have accountability for his actions.
I can't decide which "blame Sandy" storyline perpetuated by the non-Carig NYM beat writers is dumber, electively choosing to not have a higher payroll or Jeff creating a toxic culture?
say something like being a minority owner was like being a season ticket holder who paid way too much for their seats? It doesn't sound like he was too involved in anything.
Correct.
Also, as mentioned above it’s annoying that all of these Wilpon toxic work environment stories are coming out now, when most fans and I assume writers have known about them for years. I guess Wilpon’s control extended to the media as well.
To me this has nothing to do with the team now, and if something came up - such as the Porter situation - they’d deal with it swiftly.
He was minority owner while this was going on. He was minority owner when Callaway had been brought in to manage - along with his baggage. He was minority owner when Porter was hired. He was minority owner when an employee was fired for having a child out of wedlock.
You wouldn't need an outside firm to come in to investigate culture if you have a properly functioning HR department that takes these types of instances seriously in the first place and employees feel comfortable bringing these issues forward. That's the crux of the issue and why it's such a crippling organizational issue.
Minority owners don't have a say in anything. They have no decision making authority whatsoever and you're not a part of day to day operations. The controlling owner runs the ship. Cohen had seats to games and got to say he was part owner. It's not like he had an office down the hall at Citi Field.
the authors cite multiple times how people seemed offended, and expected because they were offended the person who offended them would be fired. Even the authors seemed surprised that people weren't fired for offending others.
Sandy's point is not every incident has to result in firing and that is 100% how society acts today - and that is cancel culture and it's real.
I get it's cliche these days to make cancel culture out to be a right wing conspiracy theory boogeyman, but just read the f-ing article - it reeks of millennial entitlement (and I hate to sweep with a broad brush, but..).
Absolutely some times people (and some of the subjects of in this article) cross the line and when it happens it should be dealt with. APPROPRIATELY. When that doesn't happen the people responsible for dealing with it should be held accountable. But who are they?
This isn't about Mickey Callaway or Rob Porter. Porter was fired the second his story became public. This is about the Wilpons who are no longer here and an HR woman who allgedly catered to the Wilpons but she denies that.
what is the point of this article?
I kept waiting for the "holy shit I can't believe the Mets allowed that to happen" moment and none came it reads like a facebook page of gripes. "Someone said mean things to me at work" "my boss is an asshole but he can help me get ahead in my career" - welcome to the real fucking world.
I'll take, "How many right wing cliches can I pack into one post," for $1000 Aaron.
I'm not upset with current management or ownership. I'm responding to the "Hey. They're doing something about it. Relax," crew.
The idea that they have to hire an outside firm to assess the extent of the problem is a testament to how ineffective and pervasive this culture is within the organization.
Also, I'm not buying Sandy's line. This is his second go as team executive. He spent, what, 7 seasons as GM under the previous ownership? He didn't know how broken the HR department was? So now we just chill out and let him handle it?
I may have missed something, but I don't recall this being reported on or discussed under the Wilpon's who owned the team for many, many years.
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
I may have missed something, but I don't recall this being reported on or discussed under the Wilpon's who owned the team for many, many years.
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
The timing is this:
When the Wilpon's owned the team they had leverage over employees' careers and the level of access received by members of the media.
So while some employees still spoke out and went through both HR and legal action then, the majority are only now free to speak up. I don't think anyone is in a great position to judge their decisions in terms of when/how to speak out.
I do find the media coverage insanely hypocritical because there was plenty of this in the public domain over the last decade (on top of all the other embarrassing public actions taken by the Wilponzis). And very few had the courage to write those stories then. If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
RE: RE: The timing of all this seems very odd to me
If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
You've stated my points more eloquently than I have. However, the guy "trying to fix it" served as chief executive of the organization for seven or eight seasons. He's fixed it about as well as he ever fixed the bullpen and OF during his first stint.
If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
You've stated my points more eloquently than I have. However, the guy "trying to fix it" served as chief executive of the organization for seven or eight seasons. He's fixed it about as well as he ever fixed the bullpen and OF during his first stint.
He's worked in baseball for like 40+ years. How many people have made accusations against him? How many are effusive in their praise of him?
Blaming him for the piss poor culture the Wilponzis established long before he arrive is like blaming him for the low payrolls. He worked for the owners he had not the owners he wanted (like all of us).
How does Sandy hire Newman back in November after he was told by multiple women the guy is a sleaze? Then after the Porter thing Sandy said he would ask around and get more opinions but doesn't boot Newman then also?
RE: what's frustrating is that there is a clear villain - Jeff Wilpon
almost every road leads back to him. It is no coincidence that these stories are coming out now - after he lost all power and control.
And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
+A billion
RE: RE: The timing of all this seems very odd to me
I may have missed something, but I don't recall this being reported on or discussed under the Wilpon's who owned the team for many, many years.
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
The timing is this:
When the Wilpon's owned the team they had leverage over employees' careers and the level of access received by members of the media.
So while some employees still spoke out and went through both HR and legal action then, the majority are only now free to speak up. I don't think anyone is in a great position to judge their decisions in terms of when/how to speak out.
I do find the media coverage insanely hypocritical because there was plenty of this in the public domain over the last decade (on top of all the other embarrassing public actions taken by the Wilponzis). And very few had the courage to write those stories then. If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
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And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
100% agreed with this. I said this on Twitter, but it sure as fuck seemed as us Mets fans knew the Wilpons -- particularly Jeff -- was assholes. I remember after the unwed pregnancy story and someone on NYFS -- might have been Metro -- said "Jeff Wilpon is the last person who should criticize anyone over not having a ring."
Anyway, read the whole thing as an Athletic subscriber. Felt the events recorded were sickening, but also don't quite understand the belated rush to chronicle the Wilpon years now.
As a veteran of many Mets scandals, this seems rather low on the board given that ownership has changed.
this is an excellent point I hadn't even considered re: the rush by writers to now dig in deep on NYM culture.
How many years did fans beg writers to write about the problems with the org under the Wilpons? How many years ago was the Omar Minaya/Tony Bernazard/Adam Rubin thing? The Madoff stuff? The BS with the payroll? The numerous failed sale attempts? Knocking players after they left?
With the exception of Carig none of them were willing to write those stories when they needed access from the Wilpons so it comes off as awfully hypocritical to write them now and act gobsmacked. Jeff Wilpon was and is an all time D bag. Everyone who has ever dealt with him knows that to be true. The entire way they got the team from Doubleday was evidence and that was day 1 of their ownership.
But sure, now that he's gone let's keep kicking shit on the Mets. Someone else mentioned it on one of the other threads and it's totally true - if there should be any accountability here it should be Jeff getting booted from his ownership position.
So at the very least I would expect the media to poke around at that line of thinking for a few days.
I'm more embarrassed for the Athletic for publishing it than I am for the Mets.
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
Here come the pitchforks. Porter? The allegations against Porter came out after he was hired. They were private text messages between him and a reporter. If the reporter didn't disclose them publicly, how is Sandy supposed to know about them?
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
You obviously have never been a manager in a bad work environment... please please just fucking stop.
This is the only part of the article worth printing.
“Let me try to make a point as strongly as I can, OK? Not every instance involving men, women in the workplace is a capital offense, OK? Every time something happens, it doesn’t mean somebody has to be fired,” Alderson said. “There are a lot of intermediate steps that can be taken and we’ve done that in a variety of different cases. And have included capital punishment as a consequence in some cases, but not every case rises to the level of execution. And that’s what honestly I think is happening with these articles (in The Athletic). People are getting executed, including women, by the way, for reasons that are unjustifiable.”...
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The Mets cannot act as swiftly and decisively as you did with Porter, say all the right things and then turn a blind eye to this.
Sandy hired Porter and rehired Newman.
Here come the pitchforks. Porter? The allegations against Porter came out after he was hired. They were private text messages between him and a reporter. If the reporter didn't disclose them publicly, how is Sandy supposed to know about them?
He isn't. Presumably, he should know about any complaints made against senior execs in the organization made by current employees. Doesnt appear HR did their job.
Why do you suppose that is? Could it possibly have anything to do with decades of powerful men being protected and women silenced?
What Callaway and Portman did might seem benign to some, but it creates a toxic work environment for all involved. I'm also willing to wager it want a one-off. They'd likely been doing it for decades and been getting away with it.
This isn't cancel culture - whatever that means anymore. Seems like everything falls under the umbrella of cancel culture to some these days.
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Newman had some accusations leveled against him, which he denies. Cohen has hired outside counsel to investigate the incident and make recommendations on improvements within the organization. That is how the properly act in a situation like this. Unfortunately, some are not satisfied if there is not an immediate public stoning.
Why do you suppose that is? Could it possibly have anything to do with decades of powerful men being protected and women silenced?
What Callaway and Portman did might seem benign to some, but it creates a toxic work environment for all involved. I'm also willing to wager it want a one-off. They'd likely been doing it for decades and been getting away with it.
This isn't cancel culture - whatever that means anymore. Seems like everything falls under the umbrella of cancel culture to some these days.
Nobody said it was benign if true. All I'm saying is 1. to investigate the allegations. People have a right to due process and 2. if the allegations are true, hold the perpetrator responsible.
Callaway is long gone. Porter was fired. If the allegations against Newman are true, he will be gone. But coming after Sandy because he hired a Porter, when the allegations were not public? Come on.
While it may not be cancel culture per se, it is the same "stoning in the public square" attitude that permeates both.
Cohen is handling this correctly. Prior to him buying the Mets, there were obviously some issues with the culture. He is a having a team come in to see what he can do to improve the working conditions/atmosphere for all employees, and create a culture where this stuff is nipped in the butt immediately.
You wouldn't need an outside firm to come in to investigate culture if you have a properly functioning HR department that takes these types of instances seriously in the first place and employees feel comfortable bringing these issues forward. That's the crux of the issue and why it's such a crippling organizational issue.
the authors cite multiple times how people seemed offended, and expected because they were offended the person who offended them would be fired. Even the authors seemed surprised that people weren't fired for offending others.
Sandy's point is not every incident has to result in firing and that is 100% how society acts today - and that is cancel culture and it's real.
I get it's cliche these days to make cancel culture out to be a right wing conspiracy theory boogeyman, but just read the f-ing article - it reeks of millennial entitlement (and I hate to sweep with a broad brush, but..).
Absolutely some times people (and some of the subjects of in this article) cross the line and when it happens it should be dealt with. APPROPRIATELY. When that doesn't happen the people responsible for dealing with it should be held accountable. But who are they?
This isn't about Mickey Callaway or Rob Porter. Porter was fired the second his story became public. This is about the Wilpons who are no longer here and an HR woman who allgedly catered to the Wilpons but she denies that.
what is the point of this article?
I kept waiting for the "holy shit I can't believe the Mets allowed that to happen" moment and none came it reads like a facebook page of gripes. "Someone said mean things to me at work" "my boss is an asshole but he can help me get ahead in my career" - welcome to the real fucking world.
It really boggles my mind that Jeff Wilpon is somehow an afterthought re: consequences here and like always others are somehow being asked to have accountability for his actions.
I can't decide which "blame Sandy" storyline perpetuated by the non-Carig NYM beat writers is dumber, electively choosing to not have a higher payroll or Jeff creating a toxic culture?
Correct.
Also, as mentioned above it’s annoying that all of these Wilpon toxic work environment stories are coming out now, when most fans and I assume writers have known about them for years. I guess Wilpon’s control extended to the media as well.
To me this has nothing to do with the team now, and if something came up - such as the Porter situation - they’d deal with it swiftly.
You wouldn't need an outside firm to come in to investigate culture if you have a properly functioning HR department that takes these types of instances seriously in the first place and employees feel comfortable bringing these issues forward. That's the crux of the issue and why it's such a crippling organizational issue.
Minority owners don't have a say in anything. They have no decision making authority whatsoever and you're not a part of day to day operations. The controlling owner runs the ship. Cohen had seats to games and got to say he was part owner. It's not like he had an office down the hall at Citi Field.
Seems like Cohen is really cleaning things up. Not sure why anyone would be mad at the current management.
the authors cite multiple times how people seemed offended, and expected because they were offended the person who offended them would be fired. Even the authors seemed surprised that people weren't fired for offending others.
Sandy's point is not every incident has to result in firing and that is 100% how society acts today - and that is cancel culture and it's real.
I get it's cliche these days to make cancel culture out to be a right wing conspiracy theory boogeyman, but just read the f-ing article - it reeks of millennial entitlement (and I hate to sweep with a broad brush, but..).
Absolutely some times people (and some of the subjects of in this article) cross the line and when it happens it should be dealt with. APPROPRIATELY. When that doesn't happen the people responsible for dealing with it should be held accountable. But who are they?
This isn't about Mickey Callaway or Rob Porter. Porter was fired the second his story became public. This is about the Wilpons who are no longer here and an HR woman who allgedly catered to the Wilpons but she denies that.
what is the point of this article?
I kept waiting for the "holy shit I can't believe the Mets allowed that to happen" moment and none came it reads like a facebook page of gripes. "Someone said mean things to me at work" "my boss is an asshole but he can help me get ahead in my career" - welcome to the real fucking world.
I'll take, "How many right wing cliches can I pack into one post," for $1000 Aaron.
The idea that they have to hire an outside firm to assess the extent of the problem is a testament to how ineffective and pervasive this culture is within the organization.
Also, I'm not buying Sandy's line. This is his second go as team executive. He spent, what, 7 seasons as GM under the previous ownership? He didn't know how broken the HR department was? So now we just chill out and let him handle it?
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
The timing is this:
When the Wilpon's owned the team they had leverage over employees' careers and the level of access received by members of the media.
So while some employees still spoke out and went through both HR and legal action then, the majority are only now free to speak up. I don't think anyone is in a great position to judge their decisions in terms of when/how to speak out.
I do find the media coverage insanely hypocritical because there was plenty of this in the public domain over the last decade (on top of all the other embarrassing public actions taken by the Wilponzis). And very few had the courage to write those stories then. If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
You've stated my points more eloquently than I have. However, the guy "trying to fix it" served as chief executive of the organization for seven or eight seasons. He's fixed it about as well as he ever fixed the bullpen and OF during his first stint.
The other stuff is minor but the fact that guys made comments and offered back rubs suggests that a professional atmosphere was not established
Sandy himself appears to behave faultlessly but you still have to lay down the law
That said, applying Me Too standards to things that happened long before is questionable
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If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
You've stated my points more eloquently than I have. However, the guy "trying to fix it" served as chief executive of the organization for seven or eight seasons. He's fixed it about as well as he ever fixed the bullpen and OF during his first stint.
He's worked in baseball for like 40+ years. How many people have made accusations against him? How many are effusive in their praise of him?
Blaming him for the piss poor culture the Wilponzis established long before he arrive is like blaming him for the low payrolls. He worked for the owners he had not the owners he wanted (like all of us).
And yet the current team and is being made to answer for his past transgressions. It's really sort of dumbfounding to me that the consensus seems more to blame Sandy than the guy who was his boss and has way more direct connection to each of these incidents and people involved. With the exception of Jared Porter - which they dealt with appropriately. All the rest trace back to Jeff and the HR organization/rotten culture he built (and has been dealing with complaints about him going back more than a decade).
+A billion
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I may have missed something, but I don't recall this being reported on or discussed under the Wilpon's who owned the team for many, many years.
Steve Cohen is a very powerful guy and from what I have read has made many powerful enemies along the way. I'm not saying any of this isn't true, just find the timing so strange.
The timing is this:
When the Wilpon's owned the team they had leverage over employees' careers and the level of access received by members of the media.
So while some employees still spoke out and went through both HR and legal action then, the majority are only now free to speak up. I don't think anyone is in a great position to judge their decisions in terms of when/how to speak out.
I do find the media coverage insanely hypocritical because there was plenty of this in the public domain over the last decade (on top of all the other embarrassing public actions taken by the Wilponzis). And very few had the courage to write those stories then. If people are speaking now by all means write the stories of whatever is newsworthy now but at least attribute the blame correctly. Hint - it's the former majority owners who built the rotten culture not the new guy who is trying to fix it.
Good post