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Vacchiano: Sources say Giants leaning towards ER over WR

jeff57 : 4/16/2021 9:16 pm
At 11. FWIW.

Nothing is set in stone with two weeks to go until the draft, but multiple NFL sources told SNY they sensed that the Giants were leaning towards taking a pass rusher in the first round of the draft. Whether they really would pass on Smith and Waddle isn’t completely clear, but one source said the Giants have “done a lot of work on” the top edge rushers who could go in Round 1.

They are believed to be particularly high on Michigan’s Kwity Paye and Georgia’s Azeez Ojulari, but Miami’s Jaelan Phillips and Gregory Rousseau and even Penn State’s Jayson Oweh could be in the mix, especially if the Giants do something GM Dave Gettleman has never done -- trade down.
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There you go,  
section125 : 4/16/2021 9:18 pm : link
they mention all the top ER prospects...click bait nonsense.
Yuck  
eric2425ny : 4/16/2021 9:18 pm : link
Hope this is smoke
I lean toward the upside of Jaelan  
Producer : 4/16/2021 9:19 pm : link
Phillips, if we have to go EDGE at 11.
Alright,  
darren in pdx : 4/16/2021 9:20 pm : link
think there's been multiple reports on pretty much any direction that the Giants could potentially go by now. So now anyone can claim that they leaked who they wanted if they don't select someone they want.
RE: Yuck  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 4/16/2021 9:21 pm : link
In comment 15223612 eric2425ny said:
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Hope this is smoke


Me too.
Sounds like his source is Rico  
George from PA : 4/16/2021 9:21 pm : link
.
I wouldn't mind it  
Producer : 4/16/2021 9:21 pm : link
If it's a trade down. Maybe swap with New England if Mac Jones is there. And maybe another trade down into the 20s. I'm sure one of those guys will be there.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/16/2021 9:21 pm : link
If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.
Vacchiano  
GoDeep13 : 4/16/2021 9:22 pm : link
Finally reporting what we’ve known for over a week. Our beats suck.
Whenever you have the chance to draft for need  
battttles : 4/16/2021 9:23 pm : link
at the very top of the draft for 5 or 6 years in a row, you gotta take it. The record doesn't lie, folks. These guys are professionals.
RE: ...  
GoDeep13 : 4/16/2021 9:24 pm : link
In comment 15223624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.
Absolutely zero chance we pass on Smith. Period.
RE: Whenever you have the chance to draft for need  
Producer : 4/16/2021 9:25 pm : link
In comment 15223627 battttles said:
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at the very top of the draft for 5 or 6 years in a row, you gotta take it. The record doesn't lie, folks. These guys are professionals.


Heehee sarcasm.
what an enormous mistake that would be  
GiantsFan84 : 4/16/2021 9:26 pm : link
passing up a blue chip WR for a red chip ER
Paye and Ojulari  
shyster : 4/16/2021 9:26 pm : link
leading the ER candidates is consistent with Kim Jones' reporting and I give it credibility.

Both she and RV have claimed sources not just to be reading tea leaves, like who attended pro days.

Paye and Ojuari are not who I want, but this regime never does that, so all the more credibility.
I feel like we are either trading down in the 1 or trading up back  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/16/2021 9:28 pm : link
into the very back end of the 1st depending on who is sitting there.
RE: ...  
The_Boss : 4/16/2021 9:29 pm : link
In comment 15223624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.


This.

I’d even go a step further, if Smith gets close and Dave/Judge think they might get jumped, trading up should be in play, even with the limited draft resources available.
i do wonder if this coming out now is in response to the eagles rumor  
GiantsFan84 : 4/16/2021 9:30 pm : link
of wanting to get in front of the giants for a WR
RE: i do wonder if this coming out now is in response to the eagles rumor  
The_Boss : 4/16/2021 9:32 pm : link
In comment 15223640 GiantsFan84 said:
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of wanting to get in front of the giants for a WR


If Smith is gone and Howie wants to jump the NYG for Waddle, my advice for Roseman is “Have at it, Hoss”...
They have too  
Dankbeerman : 4/16/2021 9:39 pm : link
do a lot of work on the edge rushers because there is not a clear cut order among them.

They either assume Smith and Waddle will be gone by 11 or they know they would take either if avaiable.

That could have been figured out a month ago. The work needs to be done on what to do at 11 if they arent there. and more importantly how far they can move and get the guy they want.

Sorry Raaaaalph  
Bricktop : 4/16/2021 9:40 pm : link
Not clicking. Bye Felicia.
They have too  
Dankbeerman : 4/16/2021 9:40 pm : link
do a lot of work on the edge rushers because there is not a clear cut order among them.

They either assume Smith and Waddle will be gone by 11 or they know they would take either if avaiable.

That could have been figured out a month ago. The work needs to be done on what to do at 11 if they arent there. and more importantly how far they can move and get the guy they want.

Might Make Sense  
Samiam : 4/16/2021 9:40 pm : link
I hope it’s not a reach if they go edge. Reason why it might make sense is that one of the first free agents they tried to sign was Leonard Floyd and they made a substantial offer. Wonder if they had signed Floyd, who would they have not signed. That said, it would not surprise me if they went edge. Hope it’s not a reach
We probably  
GoDeep13 : 4/16/2021 9:42 pm : link
Pass on Jackson and are looking at drafting either Surtain or Horn.
It’s the lying season..  
Giant John : 4/16/2021 9:45 pm : link
Giants are playing the game don’t ya know.
I think Paye will be the pick  
gameday555 : 4/16/2021 9:51 pm : link
...and I don't see them trading back to get him. The giants took a big swing at Leonard Floyd and missed. Clearly they view ER as a huge (if not primary) need. At 11 they're almost definitely going to be able to select their #1 pass rusher in the entire class. I don't see ultra conservative, job-on-the-line Gettleman "risking" that in a trade down.
All you have to do is re-read the first sentence..ANY OF US COULD  
Big Blue '56 : 4/16/2021 9:51 pm : link
HAVE WRITTEN THIS:


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Nothing is set in stone with two weeks to go until the draft, but multiple NFL sources told SNY they sensed that the Giants were leaning towards taking a pass rusher in the first round of the draft.



So this is the news:

1-“Nothing is set in stone.”

2-“Multiple sources..........SENSED that the Giants were LEANING..”


Alrighty then

RE: There you go,  
jhibb : 4/16/2021 9:51 pm : link
In comment 15223611 section125 said:
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they mention all the top ER prospects...click bait nonsense.


Yep.

But they've “done a lot of work on" the edge rushers! I'd be shocked (and very disappointed) if there were any position group outside of K/P that they haven't done a lot of work on.
Ojulari I’m putting my money on  
Gvp_nyc5boros : 4/16/2021 10:20 pm : link
That’s if Slater is not available. Giants will have the first pick of any pass rusher. Jaelen Phillips is a close second followed by Kwity. Oweh is too much a risk so they would give him a second round grade.
RE: RE: ...  
Judge_and_Jury : 4/16/2021 10:27 pm : link
In comment 15223630 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 15223624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.

Absolutely zero chance we pass on Smith. Period.


Does Waddle move the needle enough to keep us from picking Paye?
I thin Ojulari is more likely than Paye  
Rjanyg : 4/16/2021 10:31 pm : link
Better fit. Both great players. I’d rather have Parsons.
RE: I lean toward the upside of Jaelan  
dk in TX : 4/16/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15223614 Producer said:
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Phillips, if we have to go EDGE at 11.


How do you spell DAVID WILSON?🤔🤔
RE: RE: ...  
Giantsfan79 : 4/16/2021 10:45 pm : link
In comment 15223630 GoDeep13 said:
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In comment 15223624 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.

Absolutely zero chance we pass on Smith. Period.


how many Giant drafts have you seen? If it's greater than zero, you'd know there is absolutely a chance the Giants would pass on Smith to draft an edge prospect. The NYG have made poor draft decisions in the past and can easily do it again.
Paye  
mphbullet36 : 4/16/2021 10:49 pm : link
Would be such and underwhelming pick for me. I don't want another d-lineman who best trait is "run stopping" d-lineman. I get stopping the run but if your picking a player that high they need to be disruptive in the pass game and he is not that. He doesn't have explosive edge rushing defensive skills. If you going edge get someone that can get to the passer.
13 more days and lots of rumors......  
Simms11 : 4/16/2021 10:50 pm : link
If the Giants can trade down, it’s almost a certainty that they’ll draft ER. If they remain at #11 anything is fair game IMO. BPA will not be an ER at that point.
Meh  
jc in c-ville : 4/16/2021 11:10 pm : link
Is JJ and DG having 3 somes with the media? I heard this and I heard that. When you pick 11, everything changes with one or two picks for desperate QB trade ups. Always a holy shit pick that changes everything .
RE: RE: RE: ...  
Milton : 4/16/2021 11:54 pm : link
In comment 15223690 Giantsfan79 said:
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How many Giant drafts have you seen? If it's greater than zero, you'd know there is absolutely a chance the Giants would pass on Smith to draft an edge prospect. The NYG have made poor draft decisions in the past and can easily do it again.
That's true of every team in the NFL. And it's also possible that selecting Smith could turn out to be one of those "poor draft decisions" you are referring to. Nobody has a crystal ball. Only thing we know for sure is that the Giants will be making the pick based on a helluva lot more knowledge of the prospects than anyone on BBI.
honestly I think most of the people crapping on Paye  
blueblood : 4/17/2021 12:37 am : link
havent seen one clip of him playing. Check Sy'56 edge listing.. go watch Voch Lombardi on youtube... Paye ran something like a 6.31-6.41 three cone.. dude can move.. and has a motor..

Many people have him in the 12-15 range.. not very far from 11. Wouldn't surprise me at all if he is the pick. not my first choice.. I would prefer Waddle/Slater... but wouldn't shock me at all.
Can't get any more definative than this -  
short lease : 4/17/2021 1:53 am : link

" but multiple NFL sources told SNY they sensed that the Giants were leaning towards"
Wasn’t there an asshat who essentially said exactly this  
bhill410 : 4/17/2021 6:54 am : link
Two to three weeks ago?
If anyone wants to trade up  
DavidinBMNY : 4/17/2021 7:05 am : link
And the Giants do drop down and get some extra picks, they probably could get 2 Edge prospect (rd 1, rd 2) IOL rd 3, and still get a decent WR after that.

That would be my dream non football expert draft of , "building the roster through the draft" since Edge is so hard to find in FA or they cost $20mm and the highest drafted Edge we have is Carter I believe and he is coming off a significant injury and it would be a surprise if he was able to come back yr 1 at same level as pre-injury. Our Edge position is the worst in the league.

Even if they don't trade down, which is what history indicates, If you look at over all resource allocation purely to Edge, out of every position on the roster you could argue it's the least invested in. (3 Carter, 4 Ximenes, 7 Coughlin 7 and 2 day 3 FA's). I'm pretty positive outside of a healthy Carter none on our Edge players would start for any other NFL team.

If they Picked Paye at 11 I woudn't throw the remote.



RE: All you have to do is re-read the first sentence..ANY OF US COULD  
robbieballs2003 : 4/17/2021 7:19 am : link
In comment 15223656 Big Blue '56 said:
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HAVE WRITTEN THIS:




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Nothing is set in stone with two weeks to go until the draft, but multiple NFL sources told SNY they sensed that the Giants were leaning towards taking a pass rusher in the first round of the draft.





So this is the news:

1-“Nothing is set in stone.”

2-“Multiple sources..........SENSED that the Giants were LEANING..”


Alrighty then


You forgot one thing... "NFL sources".

It is clear that nothing is being leaked to our writers from the team itself. These are outside opinions by who? NFL management types or NFL reporters? An NFL source can be a lot of different people of all different jobs.

I get it. These writers have to put something out there. But we as fans have to understand what it means. They are doing their job the best they can with the information they have. But it is the ones that come off like they know things when they don't.

My biggest problem is just what journalism has become nowadays. I've stated this before but I absolutely despise rankings and top 10 lists or whatever. The other thing is predictions. Holy shit, I don't care about predictions. It is the main reason I can't watch most talking heads. The best shows are the ones where people breakdown the game. NFL Matchup was good. NFL Playbook was good. Baldy's Breakdowns are fantastic. People are gravitating towards Skinner. The problem is the market isn't big enough for these types of shows/clips. People can learn more from one Baldy Breakdown than a whole year of pre game shows. Does anybody care what Frank Caliendo's record is in picking games?
What a mistake  
Earl the goat : 4/17/2021 7:23 am : link
Go Slater or Sewell and if not there trade down
Get additional draft capital and you can get great Edge and WR talent in second round

Need to bolster OLine NOW
RE: RE: All you have to do is re-read the first sentence..ANY OF US COULD  
shyster : 4/17/2021 7:47 am : link
In comment 15223849 robbieballs2003 said:
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You forgot one thing... "NFL sources".

It is clear that nothing is being leaked to our writers from the team itself. These are outside opinions by who? NFL management types or NFL reporters? An NFL source can be a lot of different people of all different jobs.



"NFL sources" is polite code language reporters use to avoid directly saying that they are getting leaks from within the team they cover. Kim Jones used the same code label for her sources in her own recent report.

You can doubt the quality of the information but, yes, RV and Jones are getting info from inside. It's their jobs. They cultivate contacts over a period of years.

People leak because having information that other people want makes them feel important.
RE: RE: RE: All you have to do is re-read the first sentence..ANY OF US COULD  
robbieballs2003 : 4/17/2021 7:54 am : link
In comment 15223861 shyster said:
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In comment 15223849 robbieballs2003 said:


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You forgot one thing... "NFL sources".

It is clear that nothing is being leaked to our writers from the team itself. These are outside opinions by who? NFL management types or NFL reporters? An NFL source can be a lot of different people of all different jobs.





"NFL sources" is polite code language reporters use to avoid directly saying that they are getting leaks from within the team they cover. Kim Jones used the same code label for her sources in her own recent report.

You can doubt the quality of the information but, yes, RV and Jones are getting info from inside. It's their jobs. They cultivate contacts over a period of years.

People leak because having information that other people want makes them feel important.


I completely disagree. Not one of our writers has gotten anything this offseason. And, quite honestly, since Gettleman arrived. All of our writers were waiting for someone like Josina to write something and then they immediately after start saying similar things. If they are getting any information now it is false info imo.
Look at what Raanan has done recently.  
robbieballs2003 : 4/17/2021 7:55 am : link
He has quoted what other teams think about the Giants. I'm fine with that. Just be honest about where it is coming from (not necessarily a specific name but clear it isn't from the Giants).
Well, that's it then...  
Jimmy Googs : 4/17/2021 7:59 am : link
The Giants are locked in at Edge Rusher for Round One.
That article is all over the place  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 4/17/2021 8:23 am : link
pretty much useless. We know the Giants have been at pro days watching edge players. But as always, the Giants tend to do the most work on the players they are most uncertain about. The one thing that doesn't seem to be a part of the Joe Judge regime -- is leaks. This is all supposition and projections.
Nothing has changed - it's pretty simple  
stoneman : 4/17/2021 9:02 am : link
Order of selection/probability

1) Pitts/Chase - definitely gone by 10
2) Smith/Waddle - most likely gone by 10, Waddle may be off due to not running
3) Defense - Edge/CB/LB - several possibilities, all will be there at 11

The only thing that has probably changed is that they think Smith will be gone by 11 now - their internal mocks.
We know almost nothing real leaks from the Giants  
BillT : 4/17/2021 9:13 am : link
This is speculation or smoke.
I'll say this  
JonC : 4/17/2021 9:16 am : link
At this point RV has gotten similar info to me, Rico, etc here on the forum.


The key is picking #11 it's a bit harder to discern who they will actually pick. Whereas it's pretty clear we know the approx 5 prospects the Giants pick will come from. Not sure how much more accurate you expect right now.
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