At 11. FWIW.
Nothing is set in stone with two weeks to go until the draft, but multiple NFL sources told SNY they sensed that the Giants were leaning towards taking a pass rusher in the first round of the draft. Whether they really would pass on Smith and Waddle isn’t completely clear, but one source said the Giants have “done a lot of work on” the top edge rushers who could go in Round 1.
They are believed to be particularly high on Michigan’s Kwity Paye and Georgia’s Azeez Ojulari, but Miami’s Jaelan Phillips and Gregory Rousseau and even Penn State’s Jayson Oweh could be in the mix, especially if the Giants do something GM Dave Gettleman has never done -- trade down.
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According to Godeep they would definitely take Smith if he's there.
The key is picking #11 it's a bit harder to discern who they will actually pick. Whereas it's pretty clear we know the approx 5 prospects the Giants pick will come from. Not sure how much more accurate you expect right now.
Based on piecing together what we've been hearing a guess to what their board may look like:
Row #1:
Chase, Pitts, Smith , Sewell (***any of these guys drop to 11 they are the pick in order you see listed)
Row #2:
Paye, Ojulari, Waddle, Surtain (no tier 1 then its likely Edge possibly even over Waddle/Surtain)
Row #3:
Horn, Slater, Teven Jenkins, Jayson Oweh
I would hope so. I can see Kwity if a blue chip doesn't drop but not if he does . Sewell needs to be in that list over Paye/Oju too.
I see some WR talent there too but Smith is a different prospect if he’s at 11.
While Slater doesn’t look like a Gettleman type of OL, I wonder if there’s a bunch of scouts and coaches pushing him. I agree with JonC when earlier I had heard Giants wouldn’t consider him or OL but his name has been coming up a lot lately inside inner circles and rumblings rather than just lazy mock drafts.
Waddle’s injury is a bit of a mystery. That YouTube video of the sports medicine doctor evaluating the prospects made it seem like Waddles injury was not a serious long term concern. Then the guy doesn’t run at his pro day.
They either assume Smith and Waddle will be gone by 11 or they know they would take either if avaiable.
That could have been figured out a month ago. The work needs to be done on what to do at 11 if they arent there. and more importantly how far they can move and get the guy they want.
Yeah I don't know how you go from "they are looking a ton at edge rushers" to automatically considering because of what's going on at 11. Based on what we've received so far it seems like they have the skill guys in another level. I think they are looking a ton at edge because teams are going to have them all over the place, so I could certainly see them doing all this research for our second-round pick with a possible trade up if needed.
I think this year there are going to be a ton of teams really excited about who they got in the second and third rounds. Of course, only time will tell who is justified in their excitement.
That being said, the more I watch and read about these prospects, the more I agree with Chris Collinsworth who called Jaelan Phillips “the best defensive player in the draft, and it isn’t close”. The risk is obvious but the reward is just so damn high there. If the Giants were to go Edge, Phillips is the guy I really want.
That being said, the more I watch and read about these prospects, the more I agree with Chris Collinsworth who called Jaelan Phillips “the best defensive player in the draft, and it isn’t close”. The risk is obvious but the reward is just so damn high there. If the Giants were to go Edge, Phillips is the guy I really want.
Yeah I think we'll be some of the few people here that won't flip shit if we go Phillips at 11. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I want it to be him over Paye, if Pitts, Smith, and Sewell are off the board. I'm not concerned about his concussion history because that's most likely a second contract issue. We have a window with a rookie QB and he'll come in and make an impact right away and can develop into a top edge.
And as far as his commitment, I like this quote He tried working for his dad’s law firm. All 6-foot-6 and a dwindling 230 pounds of him dressed in business casual attire and redacted documents. “Boring.” Then came applications on Jobs.com and Indeed in search of something else. He landed an internship at iHeartRadio. He wrote blog posts and helped set up for shows at Six Flags. “I was like, ‘I was freaking making sacks against Texas A&M last year and now I’m cleaning up trash. Yo, this is whack.’”
This sounds like a guy that wants the glory, not just the money.
Were that to happen it would more than likely be a choice between Surtain, Parsons, or edge.
Hard to imagine Giants have edge rated above either of those guys.
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I would be “ok” with him. He’s a unique athlete who can be used in a variety of ways.
That being said, the more I watch and read about these prospects, the more I agree with Chris Collinsworth who called Jaelan Phillips “the best defensive player in the draft, and it isn’t close”. The risk is obvious but the reward is just so damn high there. If the Giants were to go Edge, Phillips is the guy I really want.
Yeah I think we'll be some of the few people here that won't flip shit if we go Phillips at 11. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I want it to be him over Paye, if Pitts, Smith, and Sewell are off the board. I'm not concerned about his concussion history because that's most likely a second contract issue. We have a window with a rookie QB and he'll come in and make an impact right away and can develop into a top edge.
And as far as his commitment, I like this quote He tried working for his dad’s law firm. All 6-foot-6 and a dwindling 230 pounds of him dressed in business casual attire and redacted documents. “Boring.” Then came applications on Jobs.com and Indeed in search of something else. He landed an internship at iHeartRadio. He wrote blog posts and helped set up for shows at Six Flags. “I was like, ‘I was freaking making sacks against Texas A&M last year and now I’m cleaning up trash. Yo, this is whack.’”
This sounds like a guy that wants the glory, not just the money.
I think he easily had the most “Franchise player” potential out of the front 7 players in this draft. I think Parsons is the next closest but he’s a more scheme-dependent player whose potential will really depend on which team drafts him and how they’ll use him. Paye and Ojulari both feel like versatile pieces rather than true game changers. Surtain and Horn both have Pro Bowl CB potential too though, Horn probably a little bit higher ceiling.
And the second contract issue is how I feel too. Could his career be derailed after one year? Absolutely, that’s the risk. But I think the odds are good for him to be healthy through his first contract.
His on field stuff is just so damn good. The only negatives is that he only did it 1 year, which is something that could be said about a few prospects, and that his power game is only good not great. He just has all the tools imaginable to be an impact edge rusher, and his size/quickness/fluidity leads you to believe he will be versatile on the next level.
I think Devonta Smith and Slater are the only two guys I’d take over him at 11 among them guys projected to be drafted in our range. I’d honestly want to take him over Waddle.
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I would be “ok” with him. He’s a unique athlete who can be used in a variety of ways.
That being said, the more I watch and read about these prospects, the more I agree with Chris Collinsworth who called Jaelan Phillips “the best defensive player in the draft, and it isn’t close”. The risk is obvious but the reward is just so damn high there. If the Giants were to go Edge, Phillips is the guy I really want.
Yeah I think we'll be some of the few people here that won't flip shit if we go Phillips at 11. In fact, the more I think about it, the more I want it to be him over Paye, if Pitts, Smith, and Sewell are off the board. I'm not concerned about his concussion history because that's most likely a second contract issue. We have a window with a rookie QB and he'll come in and make an impact right away and can develop into a top edge.
And as far as his commitment, I like this quote He tried working for his dad’s law firm. All 6-foot-6 and a dwindling 230 pounds of him dressed in business casual attire and redacted documents. “Boring.” Then came applications on Jobs.com and Indeed in search of something else. He landed an internship at iHeartRadio. He wrote blog posts and helped set up for shows at Six Flags. “I was like, ‘I was freaking making sacks against Texas A&M last year and now I’m cleaning up trash. Yo, this is whack.’”
This sounds like a guy that wants the glory, not just the money.
I think he easily had the most “Franchise player” potential out of the front 7 players in this draft. I think Parsons is the next closest but he’s a more scheme-dependent player whose potential will really depend on which team drafts him and how they’ll use him. Paye and Ojulari both feel like versatile pieces rather than true game changers. Surtain and Horn both have Pro Bowl CB potential too though, Horn probably a little bit higher ceiling.
And the second contract issue is how I feel too. Could his career be derailed after one year? Absolutely, that’s the risk. But I think the odds are good for him to be healthy through his first contract.
His on field stuff is just so damn good. The only negatives is that he only did it 1 year, which is something that could be said about a few prospects, and that his power game is only good not great. He just has all the tools imaginable to be an impact edge rusher, and his size/quickness/fluidity leads you to believe he will be versatile on the next level.
I think Devonta Smith and Slater are the only two guys I’d take over him at 11 among them guys projected to be drafted in our range. I’d honestly want to take him over Waddle.
On a tradedown if the top 4 pass catchers are gone and Sewell at 11, Id be fine with Phillips. If we trade back to 15-16 we could choose one of Phillips, Paye, Ojulari, Teven Jenkins, Alijah Vera-Tucker or Slater. One or more of those guys definitely makes it to 15-16 .
Waddle’s injury is a bit of a mystery. That YouTube video of the sports medicine doctor evaluating the prospects made it seem like Waddles injury was not a serious long term concern. Then the guy doesn’t run at his pro day.
Oju is certainly not with the top 3 pass catchers and Sewell.
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If Smith is there @ 11, no chance Giants pass on him.
Absolutely zero chance we pass on Smith. Period.
Zero chance? You’re going to be very disappointed come draft day. I’m more confident there is a zero percent chance the Giants draft Smith.
- Giants preferred a trade down from #4 but only if could stay in top 10 or so.
- If no trade down, they were going Offensive Tackle and definitely drafting Tristan Wirfs.
- RV also noted they really like OT Jedrick Wills, but are sticking with Wirfs who they liked the most all along.
Eleven days out until Rd 1, let's see if things become clearer from those that may have better sources.
Eleven days out until Rd 1, let's see if things become clearer from those that may have better sources.
RV tweeted after the draft to admit Thomas was not the OT he thought Giants would pick.
But, if you're going to dis the guy, at least get what he said, which is linked.
He did not say the Giants were "definitely" picking Wirfs if they stayed at four.
He said Wirfs "felt like" the pick and it was "hard to see" NYG switching to Wills.
He also said DG would be picking additional OL on days two and three of the draft
He was right about that and very probably correct that the Giants wanted to trade down, given the four OTs available at the top of the draft.
Last year's QBs just did not draw trade up interest.
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shyster - I am not dissing RV, just translating that that his sources didn't give him the correct feedback last year because he had Wirfs and Wills as their top two OTs. And he reported that pretty damn late in process.