“What’s different about this (edge rusher) class from previous years is there’s no bona fide guy at the top,” The Draft Network’s Jordan Reid told NJ Advance Media. “There’s not a Myles Garrett or a Joey Bosa or a guy that we’e seen in years past.
The 2 players are top 5 players, well out of the Giants range and were clearly be gone well before 11.
Do some WORK and find some examples of edge rushers drafted in the 10-15 range that were clearly better prospects then what is available this year.
He becomes a 1st Rounder and not available in 2nd Rd.
No way do the high potential ones make it to 42....so they would need to trade up.
To get all 3....a great WR,A starting guard and a stud OLb/edge....is to trade down....draft an Edge....and with extra ammo...get both WR and OL in 2nd.
Phillips is the top Edge, but his concussion history is extremely scary. Skill wise he’s the only one worth taking that high even with a trade back 3-4 spots. Responding to the OL comment about taking 1,3,5 and having to let them develop... is it worth letting Jones get killed just to let them develop? If Slater is there you take him with a smile.
is with 3 quarterbacks certainly going off the board and possibly 4 in the top 10. It will give us the opportunity to draft an impact player whichever way we decide to go. I like the idea of having options and different players to choose from with different values.
Parsons
Smith and / or Waddle
Slater
Surtain
Once you get past these players you have a bit more uncertainty with who to draft. The DE class has a lot of questions whether its production, size or medical.
I feel good with gettleman and judge collectively getting the best player available.
Phillips is the top Edge, but his concussion history is extremely scary. Skill wise he’s the only one worth taking that high even with a trade back 3-4 spots. Responding to the OL comment about taking 1,3,5 and having to let them develop... is it worth letting Jones get killed just to let them develop? If Slater is there you take him with a smile.
Floyd being "top priority" is just simply not true. I continue to see this being passed around and regurgitated by the beat writers. I asked around and could only confirm they wanted him for a visit.
Getting Daniel Jones some help was NYGs clear top priority.
Playing in the NFL. Get drafted, collect a signing bonus, go on the IR in training camp, collect a roster bonus, repeat until the team wins out up with it any more, retire. It’s the Sam Beal plan. And it’s a distinct possibility.
Keep in mind that Philips is no idiot, comes from a professional family and saw his life completely fall apart in 2019. Collecting a million or two as a first round selection to get a jump on early retirement sure beats working a crappy job for a couple of decades.
Parsons, DaVonta Smith or Slater. I’d love another plus player on defense and Parsons seems like he could be plus player and a play maker. An immature head case on this defense? Where have I seen that before? Defense! Smith is a baller you wish was a little bit taller. But he’s gonna’ be a playmaker in the NFL. Rashawn can play anywhere on the line and yeah he’s got short arms but he can play really well anywhere along the line with what a lot of scouts call freakish athletic ability. 11 is high for a guard, it’s true but he probably better than any guard we have and he can play tackle and maybe even center. Guys get hurt in the NFL, Slater would be help as either a starter or as a guy you can move around when other starters get hurt.
There’s question marks with every player in the draft. That’s why they spend so much time and money looking at these guys six ways to Sunday. And still it’s a crap shoot. Regardless of who’s picked, they’re going to need to be a play maker this season and they’re going to need to help the Giants win some games.
Also, the work in the draft comes in the later rounds. We need Getty and company to hit after feasting on the blue chip buffet at 11. Ideally, it’s here we get sleeper at edge or CB.
On paper that gives the Giants a really good OL for years to come.
Thomas Leatherwood Gates Slater Peart
Try to trade Hernandez
Lemieux, Solder, Murphy, Slade, Wiggins, Fulton
It would help both Barkley and Jones. It would help the defense as well. You can pick defense and skill positions for the next couple years.
If he lasts I would rather draft Penei Sewell at 11 and start him off at one of the Guard spots. He is the guy that could have a gold jacket in his future,
Then I would like to draft two more good tough minded physical interior guys. Maybe trade up from pick #42 to draft Teven Jenkins to play RG or RT. Maybe stay at 42 and draft TE-Pat Freiermuth and then trade up from pick #76 to draft G/C Quinn Meinerz, who played LG in college and was a success at Center during the week of the Senior Bowl. If those picks don't happen I would like to get a talented big guy like Tre Smith and/or Aaron Banks would be a good guys to draft in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. If we didn't get Meinerz I would take a Center somewhere and while I really like Landon Dickerson I am scared off by the medicals the same as I would be with a guy like DE-Jaelan Phillips out of Miami. Too many good healthy prospects than to spend a lot on a guy that's got a history of concussions or several knee injuries, etc...
RE: One risk with Philips is that he has no intention of
Playing in the NFL. Get drafted, collect a signing bonus, go on the IR in training camp, collect a roster bonus, repeat until the team wins out up with it any more, retire. It’s the Sam Beal plan. And it’s a distinct possibility.
Keep in mind that Philips is no idiot, comes from a professional family and saw his life completely fall apart in 2019. Collecting a million or two as a first round selection to get a jump on early retirement sure beats working a crappy job for a couple of decades.
That sounds much more like a second contract problem than a first. The few million doesn't come close to what his ceiling could potentially pay. From then he can Albert Haynesworth it.
On paper that gives the Giants a really good OL for years to come.
Thomas Leatherwood Gates Slater Peart
Try to trade Hernandez
Lemieux, Solder, Murphy, Slade, Wiggins, Fulton
It would help both Barkley and Jones. It would help the defense as well. You can pick defense and skill positions for the next couple years.
If he lasts I would rather draft Penei Sewell at 11 and start him off at one of the Guard spots. He is the guy that could have a gold jacket in his future,
Then I would like to draft two more good tough minded physical interior guys. Maybe trade up from pick #42 to draft Teven Jenkins to play RG or RT. Maybe stay at 42 and draft TE-Pat Freiermuth and then trade up from pick #76 to draft G/C Quinn Meinerz, who played LG in college and was a success at Center during the week of the Senior Bowl. If those picks don't happen I would like to get a talented big guy like Tre Smith and/or Aaron Banks would be a good guys to draft in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. If we didn't get Meinerz I would take a Center somewhere and while I really like Landon Dickerson I am scared off by the medicals the same as I would be with a guy like DE-Jaelan Phillips out of Miami. Too many good healthy prospects than to spend a lot on a guy that's got a history of concussions or several knee injuries, etc...
Well yes to Sewell over Slater, but I am assuming Sewell has been picked and is not there.
In the first. We used a 1, 3, 5 on OL last season. They have to develop the talent now. Need to get a playmaker on offense or defense early.
And those picks solved our OL problems? It is still a working in progress and if the talent is there - take him. I believe we are closer to a solid OL since .... in a long time. Maybe another player or 2 and another year or 2 of them all working together before we really start dominating the LOS.
“What’s different about this (edge rusher) class from previous years is there’s no bona fide guy at the top,” The Draft Network’s Jordan Reid told NJ Advance Media. “There’s not a Myles Garrett or a Joey Bosa or a guy that we’e seen in years past.
The 2 players are top 5 players, well out of the Giants range and were clearly be gone well before 11.
Do some WORK and find some examples of edge rushers drafted in the 10-15 range that were clearly better prospects then what is available this year.
I know, too much to ask for from these guys.....
When it’s still a problem, probably the biggest on the team, why not?
No way do the high potential ones make it to 42....so they would need to trade up.
To get all 3....a great WR,A starting guard and a stud OLb/edge....is to trade down....draft an Edge....and with extra ammo...get both WR and OL in 2nd.
The article said that he retired from football (and then returned)???!! Does that sound like a JJ type of player? I don’t think so.
The article said that he retired from football (and then returned)???!! Does that sound like a JJ type of player? I don’t think so.
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In the first. We used a 1, 3, 5 on OL last season. They have to develop the talent now. Need to get a playmaker on offense or defense early.
When it’s still a problem, probably the biggest on the team, why not?
Because there will be very good OLs in the 2nd? Not too hard to grasp is it.
Parsons
Smith and / or Waddle
Slater
Surtain
Once you get past these players you have a bit more uncertainty with who to draft. The DE class has a lot of questions whether its production, size or medical.
I feel good with gettleman and judge collectively getting the best player available.
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In the first. We used a 1, 3, 5 on OL last season. They have to develop the talent now. Need to get a playmaker on offense or defense early.
When it’s still a problem, probably the biggest on the team, why not?
Agreed.
Getting Daniel Jones some help was NYGs clear top priority.
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In the first. We used a 1, 3, 5 on OL last season. They have to develop the talent now. Need to get a playmaker on offense or defense early.
When it’s still a problem, probably the biggest on the team, why not?
The coaching staff may very well not see the same problem that many at BBI think they see.
Of course. But it’s been a problem for nearly a decade.
Thomas Leatherwood Gates Slater Peart
Try to trade Hernandez
Lemieux, Solder, Murphy, Slade, Wiggins, Fulton
It would help both Barkley and Jones. It would help the defense as well. You can pick defense and skill positions for the next couple years.
Keep in mind that Philips is no idiot, comes from a professional family and saw his life completely fall apart in 2019. Collecting a million or two as a first round selection to get a jump on early retirement sure beats working a crappy job for a couple of decades.
There’s question marks with every player in the draft. That’s why they spend so much time and money looking at these guys six ways to Sunday. And still it’s a crap shoot. Regardless of who’s picked, they’re going to need to be a play maker this season and they’re going to need to help the Giants win some games.
Also, the work in the draft comes in the later rounds. We need Getty and company to hit after feasting on the blue chip buffet at 11. Ideally, it’s here we get sleeper at edge or CB.
Thomas Leatherwood Gates Slater Peart
Try to trade Hernandez
Lemieux, Solder, Murphy, Slade, Wiggins, Fulton
It would help both Barkley and Jones. It would help the defense as well. You can pick defense and skill positions for the next couple years.
If he lasts I would rather draft Penei Sewell at 11 and start him off at one of the Guard spots. He is the guy that could have a gold jacket in his future,
Then I would like to draft two more good tough minded physical interior guys. Maybe trade up from pick #42 to draft Teven Jenkins to play RG or RT. Maybe stay at 42 and draft TE-Pat Freiermuth and then trade up from pick #76 to draft G/C Quinn Meinerz, who played LG in college and was a success at Center during the week of the Senior Bowl. If those picks don't happen I would like to get a talented big guy like Tre Smith and/or Aaron Banks would be a good guys to draft in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. If we didn't get Meinerz I would take a Center somewhere and while I really like Landon Dickerson I am scared off by the medicals the same as I would be with a guy like DE-Jaelan Phillips out of Miami. Too many good healthy prospects than to spend a lot on a guy that's got a history of concussions or several knee injuries, etc...
Keep in mind that Philips is no idiot, comes from a professional family and saw his life completely fall apart in 2019. Collecting a million or two as a first round selection to get a jump on early retirement sure beats working a crappy job for a couple of decades.
That sounds much more like a second contract problem than a first. The few million doesn't come close to what his ceiling could potentially pay. From then he can Albert Haynesworth it.
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On paper that gives the Giants a really good OL for years to come.
Thomas Leatherwood Gates Slater Peart
Try to trade Hernandez
Lemieux, Solder, Murphy, Slade, Wiggins, Fulton
It would help both Barkley and Jones. It would help the defense as well. You can pick defense and skill positions for the next couple years.
If he lasts I would rather draft Penei Sewell at 11 and start him off at one of the Guard spots. He is the guy that could have a gold jacket in his future,
Then I would like to draft two more good tough minded physical interior guys. Maybe trade up from pick #42 to draft Teven Jenkins to play RG or RT. Maybe stay at 42 and draft TE-Pat Freiermuth and then trade up from pick #76 to draft G/C Quinn Meinerz, who played LG in college and was a success at Center during the week of the Senior Bowl. If those picks don't happen I would like to get a talented big guy like Tre Smith and/or Aaron Banks would be a good guys to draft in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. If we didn't get Meinerz I would take a Center somewhere and while I really like Landon Dickerson I am scared off by the medicals the same as I would be with a guy like DE-Jaelan Phillips out of Miami. Too many good healthy prospects than to spend a lot on a guy that's got a history of concussions or several knee injuries, etc...
Well yes to Sewell over Slater, but I am assuming Sewell has been picked and is not there.
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my 2 cents: they CANNOT take Phillips with # 11. the concussion history just makes it way too risky.
The article said that he retired from football (and then returned)???!! Does that sound like a JJ type of player? I don’t think so.
From what I have read, he was FORCED to retire by the medical staff at UCLA. Hence, the transfer to Miami.
And those picks solved our OL problems? It is still a working in progress and if the talent is there - take him. I believe we are closer to a solid OL since .... in a long time. Maybe another player or 2 and another year or 2 of them all working together before we really start dominating the LOS.