Early look at 53 Man Roster - Defense

at least one and probably two more cornerbacks.

We are well stocked at Safety but I shudder to think what happens if one of our high priced corners go down and Yiadom is our best backup

Ragland, Anderson, Yiadom are still vulnerable from that list IMHO

I also don't think Odenhigbo is a lock. A lot of depth will also depend on Special Teams play. There are more than just 3 spots to be won on defense.

....a developmental DL and the LBer/Edge stud...

In comment 15224097 George from PA said:

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....a developmental DL and the LBer/Edge stud...

What do you mean? He’s listed as a cornerback.

In comment 15224063 ChicagoMarty said:

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at least one and probably two more cornerbacks. We are well stocked at Safety but I shudder to think what happens if one of our high priced corners go down and Yiadom is our best backup

Agreed, I’d like to see the Giants draft Benjamin St. Juste, Kelvin Joseph, Asante Samuel Jr. Eric Stokes, or Tyson Campbell in round 3 or 4.

Can never have too many optimists around here, imo.

That's the most deep and complete I've seen our D roster, in a long time.

Add an Edge in 1st or 2nd and we just might have an old fashioned kick ass Giant defense.

In comment 15224111 Dr. D said:

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Can never have too many optimists around here, imo. That's the most deep and complete I've seen our D roster, in a long time. Add an Edge in 1st or 2nd and we just might have an old fashioned kick ass Giant defense.

Thanks Dr. D.

It may not be star studded but we haven’t had this much defensive depth in a while. Ragland, Anderson, Speaks and Wilson were all second rounders getting fresh starts to revive their careers, seem more likely to stick than a sixth rounder or UDFA.

My guess is that at most we see defensive picks at Edge (early) and CB (4th) in first four rounds.

And seemed to improve as the season progressed. Not bad for a 4th,5th or 6th CB.

Previous high picks with something to prove. These are the kinda guys I like filling out the bottom of the roster.

I was thinking Odenigbo was an edge though in this defense. He was a DE in a primarily 4-3 scheme in Minnesota.

In comment 15224144 eric2425ny said:

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I was thinking Odenigbo was an edge though in this defense. He was a DE in a primarily 4-3 scheme in Minnesota.

They might be versatile with him. He can rush inside and out.

In the scheme, he should be listed as the rush end on four down lineman and at LOLB in 3-4 situations.

Odenigbo is an OLB. If anyone in that group might be considered more of a DE it would be Niko Lalos. I see Breeland Speaks, another former 2nd round pick, and RJ McIntosh fighting for that last DL spot.

I hope that Quincy Wilson and Sam Beal are on the final roster. We need at least one of them to develop. I love can play CB that helps to alleviate the need & maybe Hartage can help at CB as well as FS if he can stick.

I don't know that Carter will be healthy. I don't see Cam Brown, Carter Coughlin, or Niko Lalos making the team as edge guys at OLB. If we count Ximines, Anderson, and Odenigbo there's not much room there considering we will likely draft a guy within the first 3 rounds.

In comment 15224153 LeonBright45 said:

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Odenigbo is an OLB. If anyone in that group might be considered more of a DE it would be Niko Lalos. I see Breeland Speaks, another former 2nd round pick, and RJ McIntosh fighting for that last DL spot. I hope that Quincy Wilson and Sam Beal are on the final roster. We need at least one of them to develop. I love can play CB that helps to alleviate the need & maybe Hartage can help at CB as well as FS if he can stick. I don't know that Carter will be healthy. I don't see Cam Brown, Carter Coughlin, or Niko Lalos making the team as edge guys at OLB. If we count Ximines, Anderson, and Odenigbo there's not much room there considering we will likely draft a guy within the first 3 rounds.

I’d be shocked if Coughlin and Cam Brown don’t make the team. They both showed a lot of promise last year. I think Carter gets cut or IR’d. And it wouldn’t shock me to see Coughlin and Cam Brown pass Ximines on the depth chart.

if they switch Coughlin to ILB and Brown to a coverage guy but neither can set the edge very well.

Side note: Gettleman never gets enough credit and when I look over the defensive roster I feel that the man gets shit on far too often around here. He's doing a great job. This defense is full of former day one or day two picks; In fact our final roster of 25 could have only a handful of guys, Love, Holmes, & Martinez as 4th rounders and Odenigbo as a former 7, McIntosh was a 5, Crowder, Coughlin & Brown were all day three choices.

5 former 1st round picks, 7 former 2nd round picks, and 6 former 3rd round picks. 18 out of a final 25 if they all make it; that's a good collection of talent. We really do need to draft offense and go with what we have on defense.

In comment 15224176 LeonBright45 said:

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if they switch Coughlin to ILB and Brown to a coverage guy but neither can set the edge very well. Side note: Gettleman never gets enough credit and when I look over the defensive roster I feel that the man gets shit on far too often around here. He's doing a great job. This defense is full of former day one or day two picks; In fact our final roster of 25 could have only a handful of guys, Love, Holmes, & Martinez as 4th rounders and Odenigbo as a former 7, McIntosh was a 5, Crowder, Coughlin & Brown were all day three choices. 5 former 1st round picks, 7 former 2nd round picks, and 6 former 3rd round picks. 18 out of a final 25 if they all make it; that's a good collection of talent. We really do need to draft offense and go with what we have on defense.

100% agree with you. I’d like to see Smith/Waddle round 1 and Guard round 2. We need to score some points to compete. Defense is fine as is in my opinion. The Jackson selection solidified the CB2 spot.

Quincy Wilson
A Developmental DL
OLB/Edge stud

Isn't that correct ? Thought it came with the 17 game schedule. (Would have to check that it goes into effect this year.)

A running back desperately also, something nobody seems to talk about. We need to add a wideout, guard, edge rusher, running back, cornerback, defensive tackle or lineman.

Getting hurt again, where are we then, even if he doesn't, where are we for the future, we going to commit 15 mil per year for Barkley, I know I wouldn't in a million years, not a wsy to build a roster, which is why the Barkley pick killed this rebuild, thank God Judge is here and I am pretty certain has more say now then Gettleman.

The same, with a couple of exceptions. This is on the NFL website.

Active/inactive ("53-Man") list: The active/inactive list remains at 53 players for the regular season and playoffs. However, a team can increase its roster to 54 or 55 players only by using the standard elevation addendum (explained below) to bring one or two practice squad players to the active/inactive list.

Standard elevation addendum: Now included in all practice squad contracts, the standard elevation addendum allows teams to move a player from the practice squad to the active/inactive list for one week and then back to the practice squad without subjecting him to waivers. Under this addendum, a player reverts back to his team's practice squad on the first business day after the game in which he is elevated. These players receive the applicable minimum salary for a player with his number of credited seasons (prorated for one week of regular season pay or the applicable postseason amount). This clause can be used by a team for a maximum of two regular-season or postseason games per player per season. If the team elevates a player for a third time and the team wishes to move him back to the practice squad, it has to waive or terminate his player contract. If a player is released or clears waivers (whichever is applicable) and he signs a practice squad contract with a new team, he is once again eligible to be elevated for the aforementioned maximum of two games.

However, I do not see any references to a 17 game schedule here. So, who knows.
NFL glossary. - ( New Window )

Odenigbo and Shelton each have around $1MM in guarantees. That's not huge money, but it does put them in a different category than, say, Ragland, whose only guarantee is his $137.5K bonus. There are also subtler distinctions. For example, Most of Shelton's guarantee is salary. Depending on the offset language, the Giants might get off the hook for much of that money if winds up playing elsewhere. By contrast, Odenigbo's $1MM bonus is a sunk cost.

The big variable, of course, will be injuries. The OP's list of 22 names is fine, for now. The Mike Tyson Rule applies here: Everyone has a plan, until they get punched in the face.

... might be candidates for the PUP list. The big ones are on offense - notably Barkley and possibly Rudolph - but there are also a few on defense, like Carter and Ximines. There may be others we don't even know about, and there's always the chance of a stupid off-season injury (see Will Beatty), a suspension (f*cking Golden Tate), or the Giants drafting a player with an existing ailment (e.g. Landon Dickerson, Trey Smith, Jaelen Phillips, or even Jaylen Waddle, no matter what his agent says about his ankle) that postpones his pro debut.

I'm about 50% correct on my predicted moves.

I currently have:

DL (7): Williams, Lawrence, Shelton, Hill, Johnson, McIntosh, Speaks
OLB (4): Odenibgo, Day 1/2 Draft Choice, Carter, Brown
ILB (4): Martinez, Anderson, Ragland, Crowder
CB: (5): Bradberry, Jackson, Holmes, Day 2/3 Draft Choice, McCourty
S: (4): Peppers, McKinny, Ryan, Love

If they don't sign McCourty, Yiadom probably sticks. I guess there is an outside chance Beal is the 5th corner if something lights a fire under his ass. Flip a coin between Carter and Ximines, between Brown and Coughlin.

He was a one-year wonder at Ole Miss, a bust with the Chiefs, and a practice squad body with the Raiders and Cowboys in 2020. It would be great if the light bulb could turn on, but it never has. As things stand, he and McIntosh are the final two DL, but they could easily be replaced via the draft, waiver wire, or street signings.

In comment 15224589 Big Blue Blogger said:

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He was a one-year wonder at Ole Miss, a bust with the Chiefs, and a practice squad body with the Raiders and Cowboys in 2020. It would be great if the light bulb could turn on, but it never has. As things stand, he and McIntosh are the final two DL, but they could easily be replaced via the draft, waiver wire, or street signings.

I’m not quite sure how McIntosh is still on the team, since he didn’t play a down for the whole of 2020 and was presumably healthy. If Judge likes him enough to keep him why didn’t he play?

Here’s the weird part: Williams, Lawrence, Tomlinson, Hill, and Johnson didn’t miss a game all year. Not one. That’s unusual in an ordinary season. Add a pandemic, and it’s downright freaky. All we know about McIntosh in 2020 is that he never passed Hill and Johnson. He would have been the next man up in case of injury, but surprisingly he was never needed.

but I would love to draft DTAlim McNeill out of BJ Hill's alma mater in the 2nd or 3rd round.

And I know nothing about Moa so I put the guy they picked up, on the roster. Do you think they'll go with 6 DL and keep more LB? Maybe they pick up someone after the draft who bumps Speaks off the roster.

In comment 15224581 Big Blue Blogger said:

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... might be candidates for the PUP list. The big ones are on offense - notably Barkley and possibly Rudolph - but there are also a few on defense, like Carter and Ximines. There may be others we don't even know about, and there's always the chance of a stupid off-season injury (see Will Beatty), a suspension (f*cking Golden Tate), or the Giants drafting a player with an existing ailment (e.g. Landon Dickerson, Trey Smith, Jaelen Phillips, or even Jaylen Waddle, no matter what his agent says about his ankle) that postpones his pro debut.

Good point above about how guaranteed money may effect roster decisions. I think we were smart to pick up a few bargain veterans on one year deals due to the depressed cap market, and they're more valuable this year than more youth to develop.

Also, to come back from IR during the season I believe the player has to first make the initial 53 man roster. If they are PUPed I believe they cannot practice during the preseason, so I'm hoping all of our rehabbing players can start the season on the 53. Especially Barkley, Carter and Ximenes.

Edge
OLB
ILB
Dime CB
Rotational NT

DG addressed ILB, CB, NT and backup Edge in FA. I expect us to address one of these positions on Day 2 or 3.

But the screaming open wound on our roster is OLB/Edge, which DG tried to address by wooing Leonardo Floyd to NY last month, but failed.

I expect us to address this in the First Round on April 29.