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Moving the Chains: Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller Mock Draft

barens : 4/17/2021 3:57 pm
Was listening to their 2 man mock draft yesterday, and they had quite an interesting 2 round draft for the Giants, at least something I haven't seen, and kind of makes you think about it.

Round 1, they selected Christian Baramore, DT Alabama, passing up on Devonta Smith, Micah Parsons and Patrick Surtain.

Round 2, Alex Leatherwood, OT Alabama, passing on Rondale Moore and Terrace Marshall

I'm sure most peoples reaction to this will be eyebrow raising to put it nicely, but when you let it sit and marinate for a bit, I could get behind it.
I respect both Pat and Jim  
DonnieD89 : 4/17/2021 4:09 pm : link
with their football knowledge and opinions; however, I never take their mock draft seriously. To me, it’s almost like they are playing a game while they’re performing their mock exercises. Every week, their drafts are significantly different. Christian Baremore at pick at is very strange.
I heard that too  
Mike in NY : 4/17/2021 4:11 pm : link
I can understand Round 2 as Moore is a slot guy and Marshall for all of the hype had a lot of TD's but low number of catches. He seemed to benefit from schemes getting him open rather than route running. There is a lot of upside with him, but I can also understand why a team would decide he is not worth a 2nd rounder and just get a developmental guy later.

Barrmore pick was ridiculous with Smith still on the board. If Smith should fall to 11 the Giants are snapping him up in a heartbeat or would even consider a trade down if they liked Barrmore that much.
RE: I heard that too  
Doubledeuce22 : 4/17/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15224166 Mike in NY said:
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I can understand Round 2 as Moore is a slot guy and Marshall for all of the hype had a lot of TD's but low number of catches. He seemed to benefit from schemes getting him open rather than route running. There is a lot of upside with him, but I can also understand why a team would decide he is not worth a 2nd rounder and just get a developmental guy later.

Barrmore pick was ridiculous with Smith still on the board. If Smith should fall to 11 the Giants are snapping him up in a heartbeat or would even consider a trade down if they liked Barrmore that much.


It’s really comical that you all think the Giants are taking Smith. A 170 pound WR is not what this team is taking. I would bet a lot of money on that.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that Barrimore  
barens : 4/17/2021 4:27 pm : link
is a player whose stock is rising, considering he's the only DE/DT really worthy of being considered a 1st round talent. Just who knows where he should be valued, as we don't, that's for sure.

And I get it, it is just a game for them, and not to be taken seriously(as are most mocks), I just found the selections interesting, and after thinking about it, wouldn't be opposed.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2021 4:29 pm : link
That first round mock seems a bit off.
RE: RE: I heard that too  
TrueBlue56 : 4/17/2021 4:31 pm : link
In comment 15224168 Doubledeuce22 said:
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I can understand Round 2 as Moore is a slot guy and Marshall for all of the hype had a lot of TD's but low number of catches. He seemed to benefit from schemes getting him open rather than route running. There is a lot of upside with him, but I can also understand why a team would decide he is not worth a 2nd rounder and just get a developmental guy later.

Barrmore pick was ridiculous with Smith still on the board. If Smith should fall to 11 the Giants are snapping him up in a heartbeat or would even consider a trade down if they liked Barrmore that much.



It’s really comical that you all think the Giants are taking Smith. A 170 pound WR is not what this team is taking. I would bet a lot of money on that.


Wait, most analysts and scouts have Smith as a top 10 to top 15 prospect and you find it comical that some think he would get drafted by the giants at 11? Thats comical! Because why? He's 170 lbs? You are right, he is 170 and his production in the SEC plus no injury issues make him a very viable option. You can not ignore the film, the athleticism or production.

Maybe the giants will draft him, maybe they won't, but whatever they do, it won't be based on you thinking its comical.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2021 4:33 pm : link
I love people citing Smith's weight. Was Harrison a big dude? Isaac Bruce?
his stock has been rising  
Producer : 4/17/2021 4:34 pm : link
he gets sacks.

So I suppose it is possible.
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Doubledeuce22 : 4/17/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15224192 TrueBlue56 said:
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In comment 15224168 Doubledeuce22 said:


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I can understand Round 2 as Moore is a slot guy and Marshall for all of the hype had a lot of TD's but low number of catches. He seemed to benefit from schemes getting him open rather than route running. There is a lot of upside with him, but I can also understand why a team would decide he is not worth a 2nd rounder and just get a developmental guy later.

Barrmore pick was ridiculous with Smith still on the board. If Smith should fall to 11 the Giants are snapping him up in a heartbeat or would even consider a trade down if they liked Barrmore that much.



It’s really comical that you all think the Giants are taking Smith. A 170 pound WR is not what this team is taking. I would bet a lot of money on that.



Wait, most analysts and scouts have Smith as a top 10 to top 15 prospect and you find it comical that some think he would get drafted by the giants at 11? Thats comical! Because why? He's 170 lbs? You are right, he is 170 and his production in the SEC plus no injury issues make him a very viable option. You can not ignore the film, the athleticism or production.

Maybe the giants will draft him, maybe they won't, but whatever they do, it won't be based on you thinking its comical.


Yes. He will get bullied in the NFL. He’s not going to be able to get off of press coverage and if you think the Giants are taking that kind of a WR with a suspect OL I think you’re out of your mind. Again, it’s my opinion.
just give them the two biggest dudes from Alabama...  
SirYesSir : 4/17/2021 4:51 pm : link
sigh

*btw, in all fairness weeks back I posted a couple of times that I thought Barmore should be in the discussion for what might happen with our first rounder, knowing DG's love for D Tackles....

At that time however, he was being mocked in the top 15, whereas now many view him as a guy who is hoping to get into the back end of round one... I'd consider it a major surprise at this point if he was considered at 11
Barmore would only make sense if we’re moving  
Angel Eyes : 4/17/2021 4:55 pm : link
Dexter Lawrence to nose tackle. We need an edge rusher, not a hog mollie.
I like Barmore  
BillT : 4/17/2021 5:28 pm : link
But the Giants passing on Smith for him is laughable nonsense. Leatherwood would be a great 2nd round pick and could fit in all over the OL at G or T.
The Giants aren’t taking Smith  
UConn4523 : 4/17/2021 5:32 pm : link
because he won’t be there, you are right about that much. But he’s the pick if he’s there.
RE: The Giants aren’t taking Smith  
Producer : 4/17/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15224257 UConn4523 said:
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because he won’t be there, you are right about that much. But he’s the pick if he’s there.


oh.. he'll be there.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 4/17/2021 5:45 pm : link
I think Smith will be there & that we'll take him.
Barmore  
Straw Hat : 4/17/2021 5:46 pm : link
Makes Zero sense. We already have dex and LW locked in at the ends. Shelton and Johnson are very solid at the Nose. Total waste of a pick at 11.
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section125 : 4/17/2021 5:53 pm : link
In comment 15224210 Doubledeuce22 said:
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Yes. He will get bullied in the NFL. He’s not going to be able to get off of press coverage and if you think the Giants are taking that kind of a WR with a suspect OL I think you’re out of your mind. Again, it’s my opinion.


Did he get bullied in the SEC where are large number of CBs in the NFL come from?
The only way he is held at the LoS is a 5 yard penalty and an auto 1st down or he plays. Rules have changed to prevent DBs from playing overly aggressive.

BTW, Jaylen Waddle is only 12 lbs more..
RE: The Giants aren’t taking Smith  
Zeke's Alibi : 4/17/2021 5:57 pm : link
In comment 15224257 UConn4523 said:
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because he won’t be there, you are right about that much. But he’s the pick if he’s there.


He may, just because of his size. This kind of reminds me of Aaron Donald part 2.

And if he's the pick, it certainly fits a really new day in Giants land. One I haven't seen in my lifetime. Guys like him would be crossed off the list the last 40 years early in the predraft process if they were projected to go this high.
Barmore at #11...... that’s laughable!  
Simms11 : 4/17/2021 6:11 pm : link
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Bruh...  
trueblueinpw : 4/17/2021 6:28 pm : link
Not gonna happen.
I liked Barmore at first myself....  
chopperhatch : 4/17/2021 6:33 pm : link
But we are very deep at DT an Paye would be a better selection.
RE: Barmore at #11...... that’s laughable!  
Jimmy Googs : 4/17/2021 6:34 pm : link
In comment 15224297 Simms11 said:
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Seriously. Nice player but I would think he would be a reach if he were late first round. Second round talent riding the Bama hype...
Wouldn't mind if the Giants took Barmore  
ghost718 : 4/17/2021 7:12 pm : link
Anywhere after 11
RE: Wouldn't mind if the Giants took Barmore  
chopperhatch : 4/17/2021 7:30 pm : link
In comment 15224338 ghost718 said:
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Anywhere after 11


Why would you take Barmore and not Paye? I like Barmore dont get me wrong. But Paye can play more positions and is far more powerful than Barmore.

I get the feeling the pick is Paye, unless there is a smoke screen for the USC lineman.
RE: RE: Wouldn't mind if the Giants took Barmore  
ghost718 : 4/17/2021 7:40 pm : link
In comment 15224350 chopperhatch said:
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Why would you take Barmore and not Paye? I like Barmore dont get me wrong. But Paye can play more positions and is far more powerful than Barmore.

I get the feeling the pick is Paye, unless there is a smoke screen for the USC lineman.


Nah,what I meant was,if he were to fall past a certain point.Maybe trade back into the first,or even in the 2nd round.Probably unlikely though.
If the Giants pick Barmore at #11  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 4/17/2021 8:37 pm : link
it's 50/50 that DG is fired before the second round begins. First, they don't need DT and second Barmore is not that good. And don't give me the Carl Banks story. Banks was the best LB in the country (when LBs were highly valued) when we picked him #3 overall.
You never like to say  
ryanmkeane : 4/17/2021 10:45 pm : link
“There’s zero chance of that happening” but there’s probably less than zero chance of that happening
RE: If the Giants pick Barmore at #11  
Jimmy Googs : 4/17/2021 10:49 pm : link
In comment 15224394 Nomad Crow on the Madison said:
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it's 50/50 that DG is fired before the second round begins. First, they don't need DT and second Barmore is not that good. And don't give me the Carl Banks story. Banks was the best LB in the country (when LBs were highly valued) when we picked him #3 overall.


Now I’m torn on Barmore...
Barmore certainly makes more...  
bw in dc : 4/18/2021 7:58 am : link
sense than Paye. At least Barmore produces. But I wouldn't touch either until the late first or second.
This is rank insanity  
sb from NYT Forum : 4/18/2021 8:26 am : link
...drafting a DT in the first round after signing Williams and drafting Lawrence in the first 2 years ago, and with plenty of depth.

I don’t see how anyone can get on board with this.
RE: I respect both Pat and Jim  
giant_thoughts : 4/18/2021 8:40 am : link
In comment 15224164 DonnieD89 said:
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with their football knowledge and opinions; however, I never take their mock draft seriously. To me, it’s almost like they are playing a game while they’re performing their mock exercises. Every week, their drafts are significantly different. Christian Baremore at pick at is very strange.


Don't know about the player but I can see the position filled. When we lost players like Linval Joseph and went with garbage bin DTs our run defense suffered. I don't know how many people appreciated Dalvin Tomlinson but he was a very solid DT!
Giants just aww their D play well in 2020  
djm : 4/18/2021 1:28 pm : link
With Lawrence, Williams and Tomlinson playing a lead role. Why can’t a DL of Williams, Lawrence and Baramore do the same? I’m asking legitimately. Doesn’t it stand to reason that Baramore can do more than Tomlinson did here? What’s wrong with that?
RE: Giants just aww their D play well in 2020  
Angel Eyes : 4/18/2021 1:56 pm : link
In comment 15224657 djm said:
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With Lawrence, Williams and Tomlinson playing a lead role. Why can’t a DL of Williams, Lawrence and Baramore do the same? I’m asking legitimately. Doesn’t it stand to reason that Baramore can do more than Tomlinson did here? What’s wrong with that?

Barmore’s stated to be a poor run defender, he wouldn’t be a good nose unless we move Lawrence over there, which a number of people here are against.
RE: Giants just aww their D play well in 2020  
bw in dc : 4/18/2021 2:07 pm : link
In comment 15224657 djm said:
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With Lawrence, Williams and Tomlinson playing a lead role. Why can’t a DL of Williams, Lawrence and Baramore do the same? I’m asking legitimately. Doesn’t it stand to reason that Baramore can do more than Tomlinson did here? What’s wrong with that?


He might - sure. But there is a better chance a guy like Slater, for example, can block better than both of Gs combined. So what makes more sense? Improving a strength (DL)? Or improving a continued weakness?

Furthermore, we don't need more money, especially with a high pick, invested in a position - DT - where we already have a high cap spend.

We already have more than enough talent at DT.
I usually have more respect for these guys.  
Giant John : 4/18/2021 4:27 pm : link
But what a pathetic mock.
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