such a load of crap, they let ingram get fouled and take 2 steps and call continuation, Randle is going up for his shot and they side to side, ehat a load if crap
For those 2 calls. The obscene continuation for bean pole and waiving off the obvious and 1 for Randle. That's a 6 point swing.
Didnt you know that NBA decision making is infallible? From allowing an all star game during apandemic, to supporting a country that violates human rights to an egregious level, to lack of oversight for incompetence from officials not long after a game fixing scandal that spanned a decade.
is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
I thought Lonzo was hitting his 3s?
In this game you saw the Knicks sag off Lonzo twice to dare him to hit perimeter shots. Surely the Knicks aren't the only team who does this vs. the Pelicans
is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
I thought Lonzo was hitting his 3s?
In this game you saw the Knicks sag off Lonzo twice to dare him to hit perimeter shots. Surely the Knicks aren't the only team who does this vs. the Pelicans
I did notice that. I dont want a point who cant shoot.
And is shooting 44% from three across 128 attempt through February, March and April. I'd say that's a pretty good sample size by now to see that claims he won't ever be an elite shooter were junk.
This is all at 19 years old. Kid is going to be an elite wing very soon.
He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yeah, I'd trade Mitch. He's just not durable and he wants to get paid. I'd trade him in the offseason while he still has value. Would love a guy like Kai Jones or Day'Ron Sharpe with our latter first round pick. Sharpe is one of the best passing big men I've seen in college basketball.
And is shooting 44% from three across 128 attempt through February, March and April. I'd say that's a pretty good sample size by now to see that claims he won't ever be an elite shooter were junk.
This is all at 19 years old. Kid is going to be an elite wing very soon.
20. But very true. He's also more athletic than people give him credit for.
I know he has said 25 to 26 minutes is his max.
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
I think you gotta go game by game. But I would not try to push it. We need IQ to get a bit more consistent shooting, otherwise its gonna be a ton of EP.
I know he has said 25 to 26 minutes is his max.
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
I think you gotta go game by game. But I would not try to push it. We need IQ to get a bit more consistent shooting, otherwise its gonna be a ton of EP.
That's my fear we hold on in the first quarter 4 out of every 5 games with Elf.
I do like Thibs pulling Randle with 4 minutes left in the first.
It's 2 games in a row he his done it.
Why is Zion playing point guard for the Pelicans and not Lonzo
I love Taj and Noel but we get killed sometimes on the offensive glass with Mitch out. The Pelicans are having their way in the paint.
Very true. I wish I could put together a spray chart of rebounds Noel doesnt even contest vs the hustle rebounds Mitch gets. We get killed by good bigs on the boards when Mitch is out.
He has been an absolute beast.
I know he is older than Mitch but he should come cheaper and we could package Mitch in a deal in the off season.
Taj, Rose,and Burks need to be resigned
In comment 15224955 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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I thought they had no chance. They were so flat. Found a way to win. Knicks are turning in to a good team.
I agree, but I am taking credit...Icredit...I put my new Knicks snap back on in the firts half backwards. I flipped it forwards so I could lay back on the couch. Then, mid-way through the 4th I flipped her again.
In comment 15224955 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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I thought they had no chance. They were so flat. Found a way to win. Knicks are turning in to a good team.
I agree, but I am taking credit...Icredit...I put my new Knicks snap back on in the firts half backwards. I flipped it forwards so I could lay back on the couch. Then, mid-way through the 4th I flipped her again.
You are all welcome.
Forget you Chopper I started a damn game thread and that's what caused the win.
Burks unavailable, Bullock fouled out. Very impressive.
And, a message to stars who suspect that playing in MSG might be fun: Clyde observing that at the end of OT, "all of the celebrities are still here!"
The hunger for a high performance team at MSG is off the charts.
Btw, have to give Noel credit. He looked as if he was really getting beat up, but stayed the course.
Rose really looks as if he wants to come back next year.
I am pretty sure that Lonzo Ball is playing hurt. He was unimpressive.
i agree with everything you said, but they got WHOOPED on the boards through much of the game. I think the 4th and OT made it closer. They also played a team who cant hit the 3. Just saying, lets keep it in perspective.
Either way, you are right. This epitomized a gutty win.
Knicks threads having more action than Yankees threads. Times are weird.
If the Knicks had a more winning history, they'd be as popular as the Yankees in NYC
Being at the Garden in the playoffs full crowd is so much fun, there is such a buzz, it is awesome..
Ive been to Rangers, Knicks, Yankees and giants playoff games, the buzz was the best for the Knicks..
My company has a suite at the Garden and we would go to the Rangers, Knicks and concerts all the time before the Covid. You're right - Knicks games were always awesome even when they were turrible.
I’ve never met any of them, but I’m fairly certain that they exist. The NBA media hates the Knicks organization so much that they’ll pretend that the Nets have a sizable fan base in the city.
That when Knicks are good...they are bigger than Yankees. I have no clue. I never lived in NYC.
In the 90s, I prioritized Knicks day games over Giants games. Yea,the Giants werent great, but everything about that building when the Knicks are popping was so intense. The crowd just sounds more "masculine" (meaning bassier) than other NBA arenas. You would hear MSG and then when a game was in Indiana, or Miami or San Antonio and the crowd sounded like a bridal shower. The Knicks playing ball in Spring with that NBA on NBC intro probably elevated my heart rate more than anything else.
Btw, I just bought this and I have never been as excited about a purchase:
for a super team like the Nets? I’d rather this Knick team personally.
I couldn’t agree more. Watching a team with low expectations and a lot of homegrown talent... there’s nothing better as a fan.
I’m sure the Nets fans (I mean, I’ve never met one, but...) are having a great time, too, but personally I don’t see how you give a shit about any of those guys. I feel so personally invested with RJ’s development, for instance, that when he succeeds it feels even better than it would in a vacuum, because of our awareness of the whole track that led up to it.
for a super team like the Nets? I’d rather this Knick team personally.
I couldn’t agree more. Watching a team with low expectations and a lot of homegrown talent... there’s nothing better as a fan.
I’m sure the Nets fans (I mean, I’ve never met one, but...) are having a great time, too, but personally I don’t see how you give a shit about any of those guys. I feel so personally invested with RJ’s development, for instance, that when he succeeds it feels even better than it would in a vacuum, because of our awareness of the whole track that led up to it.
Totally agree. If we can add a real PG this offseason and maybe make a run at Beal or LaVine, to go with the new defensive identity Thibs has added, this team reminds me of those Boston teams in the late 00s
If not rocking Knicks hat, I got a Sonics cap that gets a lot of love. I loved watching those 90s Seattle teams & am still pissed that they got stolen from a great basketball city.
RE: RE: Would diehard Knick fans trade this season..
for a super team like the Nets? I’d rather this Knick team personally.
No.
KD is hurt again.
If the Knicks signed him, I don't think he is capable anymore of carrying a team through an 82 game season.
you better have a good team around him going forward because IMO he will always be on a game minutes restrictions going forward.
I remember Simmons leading the charge. Not all those signings worked, but I’d rather have Randle than Kyrie. The Randle signing has changed the franchise, finally some luck.
That when Knicks are good...they are bigger than Yankees. I have no clue. I never lived in NYC.
The most intense and rocking sporting event I have ever been to was at MSG to see the Bernard King led Knicks play the Celtics in the playoffs, it was off the charts! NYC loves the Knicks.
I think we might have lucked into having the better Blue Devil long term. There is so much more to RJ'Ss game than Zion's. Dont get me wrong, Zion looked like Dee Bo at times today. But he HAS to get a jump shot. Barrett is ahead of the curve there.
I think we might have lucked into having the better Blue Devil long term. There is so much more to RJ'Ss game than Zion's. Dont get me wrong, Zion looked like Dee Bo at times today. But he HAS to get a jump shot. Barrett is ahead of the curve there.
Ppl hypothesized this may be the case going into the draft. I hope it turns out to be right! (We would still rather have Ja Morant though lol.)
As talented as Luca is. What a fucking cry baby. Arguing on every call. Always throwing his hands up either asking for a call or celebrating a basket or assist
Arguing with opposing players (Bulliock) and getting in his face
Young players even though he’s a star shouldn’t behave like that
I got one as a fan have zero interest in watching this prima Donna
That "Molotov cocktail" had some big nasty enriched plutonium in it.
Would never be possible unless we got some other scoring from the perimeter because JR would have to be gonzo. Obviously I would be a fan (yes we lose perimeter scoring), Zion as a straight 4 who is learnimg to play D....it makes it a tough decision with Randle playing well and hpw Zion compliments Barrett's game.
Don't tase me bro
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah...Zion wants to come here BADLY
Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
That when Knicks are good...they are bigger than Yankees. I have no clue. I never lived in NYC.
The most intense and rocking sporting event I have ever been to was at MSG to see the Bernard King led Knicks play the Celtics in the playoffs, it was off the charts! NYC loves the Knicks.
It was like that in the 70s too. The intensity during playoff games was unreal. It wasn't just everyone clapping and yelling. It was a whole arena full of foot-stomping. And MSG was a relatively new arena back then. Those were great times....
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah...Zion wants to come here BADLY
Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
If you flip Zion for Randle and put Zion on this Knicks team are they better? no
I just dont like Zions game and i dont think he is going to last long, constantly trying to drive into 3 people is not going to work, ask Lebron..even Lebron had to get a junper to take the next step..
at rhe end of Ganes the zpelicans lose why? because zion has 1 way to score
that i did about Rj to start the year, without a consistent outside shot he will not develop to his truest potential..
I dont like Simmons but Simmons does everything on the court besides shoot, He can rebound, defense every position, can run the offense, killer on the break, attacks the basket, has a little post up game..
Zion can rebound and score in the paint and no question he is dominant at it..
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Yeah...Zion wants to come here BADLY
Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
If you flip Zion for Randle and put Zion on this Knicks team are they better? no
I just dont like Zions game and i dont think he is going to last long, constantly trying to drive into 3 people is not going to work, ask Lebron..even Lebron had to get a junper to take the next step..
at rhe end of Ganes the zpelicans lose why? because zion has 1 way to score
Actually I think they are given the draft capital. How many times have you seen games won and lost with jump shots by the Knicks? Zion gives them post presence and rim protection. JR puts up poimts and collects rebounds at a high rate. He is Zach Randolph pt. 2. Which is fine, but Zion is starting to play defense and will yield possessions to guys like Barrett and IQ rather than being the sole option when you need 2 points.
Im surprised you are even arguing this. Zion playing with his best buddy vs JR? And I love JR, just fucking astonishing to see you post that. I would take Zion 8n a heartbeat straight up for Randle.
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
Ben Simmons-nygiants16 favorite player ever, Haha-unwillingness to shoot is something I could watch a documentary on. It fascinates me.
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Zion reminds me of Shaq, in that the defense is all but powerless to stop him. That's why it's been so weird to hear this 'Is it Zion's or Ingram's team?' narrative, with Ingram thinking he's The Man. Zion is a beast. A total beast. Barring injuries, he's going to be a force in this league for awhile. I'd take him on the Knicks in a freaking heartbeat.
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
Ben Simmons-nygiants16 favorite player ever, Haha-unwillingness to shoot is something I could watch a documentary on. It fascinates me.
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
I love you nygiants and love your contributions. But I am also convinced you dont know what it is like to play the game.
Having a low post athlete like Zion getting coached by Thibs would be a fucking nightmare for teams playing us.
He'll learn to shoot from 3 and how to D mobile 4s. Then he will just block shots, rebound and score at the clip he already is.
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
Barrett couldbt shoot before this year. And Zion is shooting 36% from 3 for his career and 60% from the field.
Ben Simmons-nygiants16 favorite player ever, Haha-unwillingness to shoot is something I could watch a documentary on. It fascinates me.
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
I love you nygiants and love your contributions. But I am also convinced you dont know what it is like to play the game.
Having a low post athlete like Zion getting coached by Thibs would be a fucking nightmare for teams playing us.
He'll learn to shoot from 3 and how to D mobile 4s. Then he will just block shots, rebound and score at the clip he already is.
Dont be silly.
and i said if he learned to shoot the 3 i want him in a second, wouldnt even think twice..
until then you cant have your 4 and 5 be non shooters, there is a reason why thr Pelicans are not very good..
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: I am saying it now
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
Barrett couldbt shoot before this year. And Zion is shooting 36% from 3 for his career and 60% from the field.
Wrong again. Just drop this one.
he shoots less than a 3 a game, dont gice me percentages
Big picture...we're up 1.5 on Miami for the 6th seed, just .5 back of Hawks for 4th. This is a huge homestand. And I like the momentum we're on. Let's avoid the play in tourney @ all cost (thank you Captain Obvious).
That West Coast trip, sans Houston, is going to be a bitch.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
you predict he is going to be a good 3 point shooter, until i see it i dont believe it..
and dont give me his career 3 point percentage he shoots less than a 3 a game
Just bonkers. Once a good coach shows him how to operate in the post he will be like Shaq given today's 5s. At the very least, Kenderick Perkins. The guy is a fucking monster. When he learns to shoot he is going to be the Kraken.
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
and this is all i am saying, when he does it i will want him, but until he proves it i am skeptical..
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
Your gettinf annoyed because you disagree with someone on a message board? lol
I never said he coukdnt or wouldnt be better than Randle all i am saying is right now Randle is better..
Zion coukd easily be all world dominant player, never said he couldnt
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
It's also absolutely wild to say he's "just a lob threat"
Zion always was playing some point today too, Haha. Kid is unreal. I wish he was a Knick, but whatever. The lottery didn't land as we'd hope & RJ looks like he's going to be a good one too.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
Your gettinf annoyed because you disagree with someone on a message board? lol
I never said he coukdnt or wouldnt be better than Randle all i am saying is right now Randle is better..
Zion coukd easily be all world dominant player, never said he couldnt
Yes I am, because you dont make any sense and you havent told me you are drunk.
G'night....this was the worst post Knicks win convo Ive ever had. Incredible idea: "Hey we will give you a 20 year old low post maniac who is best friends with your 2 Guard for a 20 & 10 giy who forgets the time on the shot clock and doesnt play defense....what do you say?"
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
He said RIGHT NOW, hoky crap calm the f down..
No one said Randle is going to habe a better career, no one said Ziom couldnt develop a 3..
I said RIGHT NOW!
you attacj without reading, i said if Zion develops a 3 i would take him a nano second, but right now Randle is better for this team...i am not talking about the futurs
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
You are a Picasso with words!
I drove one of those bitches....thats how I would end a blood feud. Lol
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
i was only thinking about this year and said if Zion develops the 3 i would take him without thinking twice.
No one said he was done developing
And I would still make that trade. Unless you are talkimg about the trade only being for the season and then they go back to their original teams....which is also crazy.
G'night buddy. We'll talk again umder better conditions. Lol.
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
i was only thinking about this year and said if Zion develops the 3 i would take him without thinking twice.
No one said he was done developing
And I would still make that trade. Unless you are talkimg about the trade only being for the season and then they go back to their original teams....which is also crazy.
G'night buddy. We'll talk again umder better conditions. Lol.
i am fine brother, i dont get mad in debates and yes i was talking only this season
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
Totally agree! Which is why the thought of that trade is silly unless NO still had Anthony Davis and were pushing for a ring.
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Who proposed the ridiculous trade, and you bought into it while he was giggling dipping his popcorn in hummus and farting in a bathtup. Lol. We got Nak'd
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
😘
You better open mouth kiss me if you are going to kiss me
Non Knicks related ?...anyone thinking the stars are aligning AGAINST the Nets? KD comes up lame again today with a thigh contusion. It just seems like they can't get their Big Three on the court together at all & if they are going to win the East, they probably gotta be at full strength & have enough time to mesh. There's not much of a regular season left.
Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
😘
You better open mouth kiss me if you are going to kiss me
Non Knicks related ?...anyone thinking the stars are aligning AGAINST the Nets? KD comes up lame again today with a thigh contusion. It just seems like they can't get their Big Three on the court together at all & if they are going to win the East, they probably gotta be at full strength & have enough time to mesh. There's not much of a regular season left.
the first game the big 3 play may be game 1 of the playoffs
Non Knicks related ?...anyone thinking the stars are aligning AGAINST the Nets? KD comes up lame again today with a thigh contusion. It just seems like they can't get their Big Three on the court together at all & if they are going to win the East, they probably gotta be at full strength & have enough time to mesh. There's not much of a regular season left.
God I hope so. Those guys cant lose enough.
I have a feeling the Heat might make another run through the playoffs. That team is built for playoff ball
I don't know about KD...these lower body injuries are quite alarming for someone of his size. I don't think they know the exact of his injury today. For Brooklyn, it's championship or bust.
Non Knicks related ?...anyone thinking the stars are aligning AGAINST the Nets? KD comes up lame again today with a thigh contusion. It just seems like they can't get their Big Three on the court together at all & if they are going to win the East, they probably gotta be at full strength & have enough time to mesh. There's not much of a regular season left.
God I hope so. Those guys cant lose enough.
I have a feeling the Heat might make another run through the playoffs. That team is built for playoff ball
They need Herro to play better, they need bubble herro
I don't know about KD...these lower body injuries are quite alarming for someone of his size. I don't think they know the exact of his injury today. For Brooklyn, it's championship or bust.
It looked like a knee to the thigh but the fact he didnt try and keep going is a little alarming..
Randle had the same thing kept playing, won the gane and then sat out 1 game and then kept playing
But Noel's block on Ingram in OT was even filthier than the one on Finney-Smith the other night. Finney-Smith is a poser. Ingram is the real deal with all that athleticism and length. That might be one of the top blocks in the NBA this year.
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
chop-- I agree I'd do the trade Randle for Zion (even though that will never happen) but just a question: why ask "if the trade was proposed last year would you also hold out?" ? What does last year have to do with anything? Randle has emerged as an all-star and potentially all-pro player this year thanks to an entire offseason of incredibly hard work. No one saw that coming, so of course the trade Randle for Zion would've been a no-brainer last year. This year it's a little different because we have new information on Randle.
(That said-- I agree Zion's stock is higher than Randle's so you def make that trade; he's 6 years younger and has a lot less experience, and his eventual ceiling has universally been considered one of the highest in the NBA the past few years. He still has to do the work to develop, which I think he will. So yeah, you make that trade no question)
BUT-- I also wouldn't 100% doubt just yet that Randle can't continue progressing. He's only 26. Kawhi Leonard's 1st all-star game was 2016, the year he turned 25. Some guys in this game do develop into top 5 players solely through several years of hard and determination-- they come out of nowhere and suddenly they're just one of the best in the league and perpetual MVP candidate (James Harden is another one that comes to mind of said ilk). Obviously we don't know if that will happen with Randle, but I'm just saying we don't know it WON'T happen either. It's possible. We have no idea if Randle is done progressing, and personally I in fact believe he's going to come back next year even better than this year. I mean, even Thibs said he's one of the hardest working guys he's ever seen-- Thibs never admits anyone is a hard worker lol.
I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
chop-- I agree I'd do the trade Randle for Zion (even though that will never happen) but just a question: why ask "if the trade was proposed last year would you also hold out?" ? What does last year have to do with anything? Randle has emerged as an all-star and potentially all-pro player this year thanks to an entire offseason of incredibly hard work. No one saw that coming, so of course the trade Randle for Zion would've been a no-brainer last year. This year it's a little different because we have new information on Randle.
(That said-- I agree Zion's stock is higher than Randle's so you def make that trade; he's 6 years younger and has a lot less experience, and his eventual ceiling has universally been considered one of the highest in the NBA the past few years. He still has to do the work to develop, which I think he will. So yeah, you make that trade no question)
BUT-- I also wouldn't 100% doubt just yet that Randle can't continue progressing. He's only 26. Kawhi Leonard's 1st all-star game was 2016, the year he turned 25. Some guys in this game do develop into top 5 players solely through several years of hard and determination-- they come out of nowhere and suddenly they're just one of the best in the league and perpetual MVP candidate (James Harden is another one that comes to mind of said ilk). Obviously we don't know if that will happen with Randle, but I'm just saying we don't know it WON'T happen either. It's possible. We have no idea if Randle is done progressing, and personally I in fact believe he's going to come back next year even better than this year. I mean, even Thibs said he's one of the hardest working guys he's ever seen-- Thibs never admits anyone is a hard worker lol.
I wouldnt hold out. I guuess what got lost in translation was that this trade (for who would be the #1 overall pick with limits to his game) would have been laughed at last year with Randle seemingly a numbers hog and should still be laughed at this year with Randle being one of the most influential players not only in the East, but the entire league.
Discussion got waaaay out of hand. It morphed from trading each player straight up into trading each player for just this year.....I dont know whats going on right now. Lol.
If the Pelicans were the 2nd or 3rd seed, I could maybe see why they would consider it. But it matters not for the Knicks. If that phone call happens, I get the paperwork signed while I still have them on the phone with the promise of a blowjob by a hooker or myself in my back pocket.
I'll admit after this game I was (and still kinda am) on a confidence high, and at first was looking at their schedule thinking they could finish 10-4 (losing only to the Nuggets, Suns, Clippers, and Lakers). Lol I had to take a step back and be realistic and figure they'll drop another 2 games besides that. But w/ the way they're playing and how they've matured over the course of this season, I do think they'll win more games than they lose over these final 14. The Hornets and Hawks just don't scare me at all w/ the way we're playing.
It's just been so cool to see the arc of their progression as a team this season. It took all those heartbreak losses and blown leads, but they didn't let it break their spirit, and I've just seen a different, more mature team over the course of this 6-game winning streak. Sure in some sense they've simply "gotten hot" recently, but it legit feels like something more than that in terms of visible growth and maturation.
I think they still need to develop that "killer instinct" that great teams have-- you could clearly see they came out flat to start the 2nd half. They built that 13 point lead in such workman-like fashion, all to just watch it evaporate in no time. I know this is an over-simplification but: great teams would be saying "we built a 13 point lead, let's make it 26 and end this shit in the 3rd quarter." Instead you could visibly see them lose focus and were a bit lackadaisical coming out of the half (the refs didn't help either, I know). But they definitely DID look like a different team than I've seen in those last 2 min of regulation. Just calmly and methodically coming back to tie the game just in time. THEN the killer instinct kicked in and they brought the hammer down in OT. This win felt really good today.
Side-note: I truly believe the refs were trying to help the Pelicans all game. The game was NOT called evenly. Twice as many PF called on the Knicks than the Pelicans (if you ignore the few intentional fouls at the end of the game). I mean it makes sense-- the league wants the Pelicans in the play-in and they're currently in 11th, while the Knicks are getting a little to far ahead of the play-in and need to be "reined in". OK, I know that sounds crazy, but there has been irrefutable evidence in the past of the league/refs calling more fouls on certain teams to make series's and playoff races more interesting (sometimes subconsciously I'm sure but also sometimes purposefully, IMO).
I definitely think the refs play to the national audience
I am so happy watching this team and they are always in games because of the defense they play..
we got something building and it feels good and for the first time in a long time if a rumor comes out that a player wants to be a knick, i am going to believe it..
This is awesome
Zion is fun to watch. He's getting by basically on his incredible
athleticism and sheer force of will. If his skill level ever approaches Randle, for example, watch out. He'll be incredible if that happens.
This team is so fun right now. They fight so hard every game and from the top to the bottom of the roster are so plugged into winning. Thibs really has built something special out of a pretty thin roster.
I am so happy watching this team and they are always in games because of the defense they play..
we got something building and it feels good and for the first time in a long time if a rumor comes out that a player wants to be a knick, i am going to believe it..
similar size (Johnson didn't have quite as much girth) and both #1 overall.
Larry Johnson was explosive early in his career, but injuries took their toll.
Much of Zion's current game is based on his explosiveness/quickness/jumping, which is pretty amazing considering his girth.
I agree he will most likely work on his 3 shooting and will improve, but my gut feeling is Zion will break down and lose much of his explosiveness, down the road. The question is how many yrs.
I don't see the comparisons with Shaq. Shaq is 7'1" 324 lbs. Zion is 6'7". Zion has to work on his shooting, if he wants to have a really good and long career. Shaq didn't have to.
You'll get a good idea what they want to do this offseason seeing how they treat Mitch, whether they can commit to someone like Lowry or even Chris Paul if he declines his option (it's 40 mil, but if he can sign a 2 year deal at 60? It's possible he does that).
Tearing it down and acquiring assets seems to be the easy thing to do. This next offseason will be the hard part.
You'll get a good idea what they want to do this offseason seeing how they treat Mitch, whether they can commit to someone like Lowry or even Chris Paul if he declines his option (it's 40 mil, but if he can sign a 2 year deal at 60? It's possible he does that).
Tearing it down and acquiring assets seems to be the easy thing to do. This next offseason will be the hard part.
I would argue they have a #1 star already and they might even have a #2 star.
Randle is 26 and RJ is 20 in 2 years they could both be all-stars.
If they can use the draft capital they have to move up in this draft or trade for a 3rd piece this could be a title contending team in 2 years.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Knicks aren't a third good player from being a contender. Realistically via the draft they are "unlikely" to draft a superstar. Lonzo Ball would represent a 3rd good player, Gary Trent Jr would represent a 3rd good player. Neither puts the Knicks in title contention. That's not a knock at all, it's just being realistic.
First what a great time to be a Knicks fan. Such a fun team to watch all year long.
Its great the Knicks are stacking wins right now and hopefully keep it going the next 7 which aren't too bad. But the final 7 has a really tough west coast trip. Hopefully some of those teams may be resting at that point. I would love to see them get the 4 or 5 seed.
Dallas is at the 7th and 2 games back of Portland for the 6th. Their schedule is very easy though. But if for any reason they fell out of the playoffs and the Knicks got a lottery pick out of them? Talk about a cherry on top of a good season.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
Zion to New York is a real possibility, Zion chooses his words carefully, basically saying it wasnt an accident what he said yesterday
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
Zion to New York is a real possibility, Zion chooses his words carefully, basically saying it wasnt an accident what he said yesterday
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
I doubt it does. He happened to be playing the Knicks. Obviously, if next season NO is doing poorly there will begin to be a bubbling storyline of Zion eventually bolting/wanting to bolt.
Zion know what he was doing when he said it, and Woj has to say somehting bout it. Zion is realistically like 6 years from FA, lol. AD for comparison spent 7 seasons in NO. Lets cross this bridge in like 2025 when him and RJ are seen at a club together 2 days before FA, lol.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
If you are going off play today yes.
But do you think both are finished getting better?
IMO Randle and RJ have obviously not reach their potential.
In 2 or 3 years they could both be all-stars and be your true 1 and 2.
all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
If you are going off play today yes.
But do you think both are finished getting better?
IMO Randle and RJ have obviously not reach their potential.
In 2 or 3 years they could both be all-stars and be your true 1 and 2.
All stars is one thing, becoming a superstar and being a number 1 is something different..
There are not many players who can do it on their own, that is why 2 or 3 guys always look to team up..
all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
That's completely unfair. Brown/Tatum have been incredible Brown is averaging 25, 6 and 3 on 49/40/75% shooting. He has a 20.5 PER, .127 WS/48, if Barrett is Brown 2.0 then the Knicks will be very, very happy. Tatum 26, 7 and 4 49/39/87% shooting 21.3 PER, .140 WS/48. Why is Randle still getting better but we are capping Tatum 23 and Brown 24?
Randle has been absolutely incredible and yet Tatum leads him in PER and near-identical WS/48 (.140 vs..142) The Celtics are the perfect example of 2 all-stars not being the same as a franchise player.
all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
That's completely unfair. Brown/Tatum have been incredible Brown is averaging 25, 6 and 3 on 49/40/75% shooting. He has a 20.5 PER, .127 WS/48, if Barrett is Brown 2.0 then the Knicks will be very, very happy. Tatum 26, 7 and 4 49/39/87% shooting 21.3 PER, .140 WS/48. Why is Randle still getting better but we are capping Tatum 23 and Brown 24?
I am absolutely not undervaluing the 2 in Boston that was the case you made.
I think Boston should be much better than they are and on paper they are the 4th best team in the east.
They have started to put it all together and will be dangerous.
And soak it up. We all that that was just the beginning with Judge, Sanchrz, Sevi etc...turn out that there's a good chance that's the closest that group will ever get to the WS. Sure the future looks bright with the Knicks. However there are no promises. Who knows how much RJ and Randle improve from here or who we can acquire this summer. I'm just enjoying good exciting hard fought NBA basketball and looking forward to the playoffs. I'll worry about the future when it gets here. For right now I just look forward to each game and hopefully watching a rousing postgame on Knick fan tv lol
RE: One thing the 2017 Yankees taught me is to live in the moment
And soak it up. We all that that was just the beginning with Judge, Sanchrz, Sevi etc...turn out that there's a good chance that's the closest that group will ever get to the WS. Sure the future looks bright with the Knicks. However there are no promises. Who knows how much RJ and Randle improve from here or who we can acquire this summer. I'm just enjoying good exciting hard fought NBA basketball and looking forward to the playoffs. I'll worry about the future when it gets here. For right now I just look forward to each game and hopefully watching a rousing postgame on Knick fan tv lol
Same. I'm somewhat pessimistic on our chance's to land a true franchise changing star anytime soon, but I'm REALLY enjoying having a competitive team to watch every night. Also helps that they've been drama free.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
Tatum seemed to be making the jump last season before the shutdown. Then he gets COVID &, from all accounts, got a bad case of it & has had to use an inhaler.
Zion to New York is a real possibility, Zion chooses his words carefully, basically saying it wasnt an accident what he said yesterday
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
I doubt it does. He happened to be playing the Knicks. Obviously, if next season NO is doing poorly there will begin to be a bubbling storyline of Zion eventually bolting/wanting to bolt.
Damn, well generation Z (no pun intended in talking about Zion) is even more about immediate gratification than us millennials, so Zion demanding to be traded after 2.5 seasons of the Pelicans being mediocre would be par for the course for a gen Z guy lol. I’m half-kidding, yet at the same time I agree that’s very possible.
Anthony Davis at least stuck it out for EIGHT bad seasons with the Pelicans. But in this day and age I’m not sure we’ll ever see that from a top 5-10 player ever again. Not entirely their fault though, I guarantee you if the Pelicans aren’t in the playoff hunt next year there will already be people questioning if Zion is truly a “winner” and if he will ever win a championship, and it may cause him to get a little antsy.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
He believes Randle/Barrett are realistically a 1 and 2 on a title team/contender. I strongly disagree. Can they be the 2nd and 3rd best players on a contender? It depends on your #1 and the surrounding players but yes it seems feasible. I
Long story short, I don't see it being realistic to ever view the Knicks as legitimate contenders without adding a player at minimum as good as Randle, and more likely a guy better aka a true franchise player.
the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
Barrett is a 20 yr old ascending talent who’s so far living up to the billing of being drafted #3 overall. He could very well be an all star in 2 years. If he’s our “4th option” 2 years from now ... well I’m just saying I think it’s a pipe dream to imagine we’ll be able to acquire 2 additional all stars, but it is fun to dream.
But, as long as we’re dreaming this afternoon— might as well throw this out there: I think more likely than acquiring 2 all stars over the next year or 2, another path to contending for a title would be acquiring a single top 5 player ... one Kawhi Leonard (assuming the Clippers don’t make it out of the west and Kawhi opts out of his contract). And the way these things work in the NBA now: once one big domino falls and a team becomes a legit contender, other pieces are more likely to come along for the ride. For instance: we sign Kawhi, then we could either ride with Mitch at the 5 and/or trade him and signed Drummond. Could we still afford Ball after all that? Ball—Barrett—Leonard—Randle—Drummond/Mitch ... that’s a 2022 / 2023 title contender right there.
Also— I’m gonna continue saying this over and over: I really would not count out Julius Randle’s progression just suddenly stopping at his current level. He could very well come back even better in 2022 and even better in 2023. We’ve seen that before from NBA players who are late risers and ascend thanks to sheer hard work as opposed to just getting by on pure natural talent (although I realize you need both to be an all star, all the talk in the locker room has been about how hard Randle has worked and continues to work).
great as Julius Randle has been, Randle has been a God send but laying out a scenario where he and Barrett are the two best players on a title contender seems like homerism at it's finest. The Nuggets are 4 seeds in the West with quite possibly the league MVP and Murray (before he got hurt). Murray was averaging 21, 5 and 4, 48/41/87 shooting.
Who is the last title team to win without a top 5 NBA player?
Beat the Wolves like 10 days ago. Let's slow down the coronation. They have been feasting on some bad teams/teams missing guys. The one impressive win was that absurd comeback vs. Denver.
Who is the last title team to win without a top 5 NBA player?
2013-14 Spurs?
Kawhi, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Splitter...
Kawhi wasn't Top 5 or even Top 10 back then.
2013-2014 Spurs had 5 players with a PER 18.7 or greater. The Knicks have 1 (Randle). They had 5 players with 2+ VORP, the Knicks again have 1. So yeah, if the Knicks add 3 more players of the quality of Julius Randle then sure we'd be talking about them as that level of team. They will not be there with RJ Barrett simply "getting better".
the Knicks are on track to be contenders with Randle/Barrett as their top 2 then I assume people think New Orleans is going to be contending for a title shortly? Zion/Ingram vs. Zion/Barrett
the Knicks are on track to be contenders with Randle/Barrett as their top 2 then I assume people think New Orleans is going to be contending for a title shortly? Zion/Ingram vs. Zion/Barrett
the Knicks are on track to be contenders with Randle/Barrett as their top 2 then I assume people think New Orleans is going to be contending for a title shortly? Zion/Ingram vs. Zion/Barrett
Julius and RJ are no the 1-2 on a true title contender unless RJ becomes a true no. 1 scoring threat which feels unlikely.
But to answer your question, this Pelicans roster really is great on paper. It's really surprising to me that they aren't better. Their bench stinks but 1-5 they're really solid.
I think the Knicks could field a competitive team for the next 5+ years if they added a superstar to the lineup that they have now.
But let's be honest here. If the front office is interested in preserving that cap space for 2022, then this team will be overhauled in the offseason and might not be as competitive as it is this year, next year.
This offseason we stand to lose:
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
Elfrid Payton (yay)
Nerlens Noel
Reggie Bullock
Frank Ntilikina
Say what you want about some of those players, that represents 5 of our top 10 players.
the Knicks don't steal Lonzo (apparently it's floating around NO is willing to go over 20 despite reports otherwise, I guess we will see, also see if the Bulls do something nutty), I'd speak to Lowry short term but I really think McConnell would be a very solid addition. The downside to him is he doesn't even bother shooting the 3 ball but he's a leader on the court and a very good defensive player. I think the Knicks are now to the point that marginal upgrades are worth pursuing if the price is right.
8 and 7 with 2 steals. I want a big-time PG as much as the next guy but this isn't last off-season. Any option better than what they have should be considered if it doesn't hold them back from adding future "better" players.
may miss the remainder of the season with a knee issue. Unless he does something silly like 1 year with a team option 2nd year I'm passing on him hard.
I think the Knicks could field a competitive team for the next 5+ years if they added a superstar to the lineup that they have now.
But let's be honest here. If the front office is interested in preserving that cap space for 2022, then this team will be overhauled in the offseason and might not be as competitive as it is this year, next year.
This offseason we stand to lose:
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
Elfrid Payton (yay)
Nerlens Noel
Reggie Bullock
Frank Ntilikina
Say what you want about some of those players, that represents 5 of our top 10 players.
This offseason is going to be crazy I think.
I am bringing back, Rose, Burks and Noel..
Would love Bullock back as well but i think they try and upgrade the starting back court..
McConnell would be fine in a 20 minute per night type role
However this team needs a huge upgrade at starting pg. This off season L.Rose and co are truly on the clock. They need to land a really good pg. No excuses. I'm still sticking by it- I love IQ as much as you guys and he's really fun to watch, but I really feel this team would be better off with Malachi Flynn. Oh well that's neither here nor there.
RE: McConnell would be fine in a 20 minute per night type role
However this team needs a huge upgrade at starting pg. This off season L.Rose and co are truly on the clock. They need to land a really good pg. No excuses. I'm still sticking by it- I love IQ as much as you guys and he's really fun to watch, but I really feel this team would be better off with Malachi Flynn. Oh well that's neither here nor there.
No disagreement here. I see McConnell as an addition that makes the roster better. Not "the answer" at PG. Nothing against IQ at all but I think he's Lou Williams 2.0, long one of the most underrated players in the league.
the Knicks are on track to be contenders with Randle/Barrett as their top 2 then I assume people think New Orleans is going to be contending for a title shortly? Zion/Ingram vs. Zion/Barrett
Julius and RJ are no the 1-2 on a true title contender unless RJ becomes a true no. 1 scoring threat which feels unlikely.
But to answer your question, this Pelicans roster really is great on paper. It's really surprising to me that they aren't better. Their bench stinks but 1-5 they're really solid.
Lebron didn't win his first title until he was 27.
Zion is 20 years old, Lonzo is 23, Ingram is 23, if they continue to get better, develop physically and understand the game. You can't see those 3 competing for a title?
The current top 10 players in the league is going to look a lot different in 4 years.
Look at the age of Curry, Klay, lebron, CP3, KD, Dame, Kawhi.
I bet he does opt out. Even if its to squeeze another year or 2 out of Phoenix. But he has all the leverage now and why risk another season of a possible injury or fallen off? He will be coming off 2 all nba level years and has the Suns in their best postion in a very long time.
but Ball looked pretty bad against the Knicks. I personally don't think he's the answer to the PG problem we find ourselves in.
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
but Ball looked pretty bad against the Knicks. I personally don't think he's the answer to the PG problem we find ourselves in.
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
In fairness, Lonzo has been dealing with a hip issue for about a month now (not considered serious) so I wouldn't read too much into his play.
but Ball looked pretty bad against the Knicks. I personally don't think he's the answer to the PG problem we find ourselves in.
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
Lonzo also isnt being used as a point guard, he is being used as a 3 and d guy
See a 4th best player on a championship team. Not sure if he is the cats meow at PG. I know we had a great year and to use all our $ for average is tough.
See a 4th best player on a championship team. Not sure if he is the cats meow at PG. I know we had a great year and to use all our $ for average is tough.
They have roughly 60 million to spend. Lonzo wouldn't come close to "all" of their cap room.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
is the guy I most want them to avoid. He's "confirmed" mediocre at this point and no reason he'll be cheap. I like him far less than adding a Lowry for 2 years, and far less than spending big on a Lonzo.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
Davion Mitchell looked freakin awesome to me in the tournament, looked like a polished professional and a badass competition every second he was out there— sign me up for him, I think he’d fit perfectly in with this Knicks squad. Not to mention coming from Baylor he’s already be taught how to play aggressive D and I’m sure Thibs would love him. He could fall simply because Cunningham and Suggs have gotten and will get all the attention. Mitchell considering he’s 6’2” looks like he’s built like a truck too. Screw Ball, I’m starting to like this idea more and more by the second
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
Davion Mitchell looked freakin awesome to me in the tournament, looked like a polished professional and a badass competition every second he was out there— sign me up for him, I think he’d fit perfectly in with this Knicks squad. Not to mention coming from Baylor he’s already be taught how to play aggressive D and I’m sure Thibs would love him. He could fall simply because Cunningham and Suggs have gotten and will get all the attention. Mitchell considering he’s 6’2” looks like he’s built like a truck too. Screw Ball, I’m starting to like this idea more and more by the second
He should go between 8th to 12tg pick.
I could see the Knicks falling in love with him.
Hopefully Dallas loses in the play-in. With 4 picks this year we can package them to move up.
I think Mitchell will go at the bottom of the top 10
Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
are concerned with Tyler Herro's off court pursuit of fame lolz
Shocked that Riley didn't dump him and whoever else was necessary to get Harden and keep him out of Brooklyn. I know they made the Finals last year, but it was a bit of a bubble fluke. Harden/Butler/Bam pulls Miami even with anyone in the league.
Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
I really dont like the idea of paying big bucks for Lonzo. I really dont. I understand he has improved his shooting a bit. I also get he isnt being used the way he should, but why is that? Why is a pass first PG whocant shoot very well not being allowed to run the point but is starting. Seems fucking weird. Plus, that defensive lapse last night was pretty freaking bad.
I think the move this year is to move up for a PG. We almost have to. I would rather roll the dice on a rookie and deal with that contract than Ball. Yes I understand he has been out, but as someone noted in the game thread, the Knicks were GIVING him wide open looks from 3 and he bricked most of them. Plus I think he is ugly.
Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
You lost me with your first sentence, Haha.
We may miss him as a scorer, but not as a passer thats for sure.
I want Lonzo. I think he'd be a great fit. I don't know what was going on with him yesterday. Partying too late Saturday? I want no piece of Schroder. If he's interested, Paul would be intriguing, though he's getting long in the tooth. That said, look @ what he's doing in Phoenix. Wherever he goes, the team goes up a level.
But you guys watch Last Chance U (basketball) on Netflix? I'm a few episodes in and it's really good. Highly recommend.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
I want Lonzo. I think he'd be a great fit. I don't know what was going on with him yesterday. Partying too late Saturday? I want no piece of Schroder. If he's interested, Paul would be intriguing, though he's getting long in the tooth. That said, look @ what he's doing in Phoenix. Wherever he goes, the team goes up a level.
For 20 per, I would hope he would do more than 2 FGs when the opponent isnt playing any defense on you.
Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
are concerned with Tyler Herro's off court pursuit of fame lolz
Shocked that Riley didn't dump him and whoever else was necessary to get Harden and keep him out of Brooklyn. I know they made the Finals last year, but it was a bit of a bubble fluke. Harden/Butler/Bam pulls Miami even with anyone in the league.
I mentioned this when the Knicks played the heat, he is not well liked in the locker room but Butler loves him, he is protected by Butler..
But you guys watch Last Chance U (basketball) on Netflix? I'm a few episodes in and it's really good. Highly recommend.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
But you guys watch Last Chance U (basketball) on Netflix? I'm a few episodes in and it's really good. Highly recommend.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
You dont have a 2nd TV? Or a lap top with bluetooth headphones?
Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
I wouldn't be opposed to that if that's what the front office wants to do.
Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
I wouldn't be opposed to that if that's what the front office wants to do.
We need Dallas to lose in the play in game.
Top 10 pick, mid teens pick, and Mitch might give us a shot at cade or Suggs.
We are not drafting 4 players this year and would love to go all in for Cade or Suggs.
Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
You lost me with your first sentence, Haha.
Hahaha nah fair enough— I’ve had more Payton-related outbursts in my home than anyone, but he continues to get minutes and I guess I just trust Thibs so much at this point I feel like he sees something in Payton that we don’t. Maybe I’m thinking too deeply lol. I guess Thibs just likes his ability to drive and score in the paint and that helps other dudes out? Then again usually when you have a guy like that you also want him to be able to drive and kick, but Payton can’t pass. I also don’t think I’ve ever seen him make a single 3 and yet he continues to take them. Idk. I’m just wondering— do you guys think D Rose, Quickley, and (let’s say rookie D Mitchell, or a diff 1st round PG) is all we’d need at the point next year? What other vet is available who we could afford to be that 4th guy? (Obviously I’m not talking about Ball in this particular conversation)
Does 7 and 7 get them the 6th seed?
Realistically I think they can go 9-5
Gives them a 40-32 record.
7-7 would be a huge season finishing 38-34.
Next 5 at home need to go 4-1 and lose to only to PHX.
Last night I picked us to go 8-6 (finish 39-33) and be the 5th seed right behind the Celtics. I think Miami will finish a game below us and the Hawks will be the 7th seed, Hornets 8th (Pacers and Wizards right behind them at 9 & 10 ).
I think our realistic floor is 6-8 and our possible ceiling is 10-4. Hence I come to 8-6 lol.
With the way we’re playing, my thinking is (granted, I’m on a massive confidence high w/ this 6 game win streak lol) ...
6-8 scenario:
1) split w/ the Hornets,
2) split the Hawks/Celtics games,
3) split the Spurs/Grizzlies games,
4) lose BOTH games to the Suns.
10-4 scenario:
1) beat the Hornets twice
2) beat both the Hawks & the Celtics
3) beat both the Spurs and Grizzlies
4) steal 1 game from the Suns
I think 2 of the 4 things from each of the above scenarios will happen and we’ll finish 8-6.
(I’ll admit now 24 hours removed from the win last night, my gut is now saying maybe only 1 of those 4 things will happen and we finish 7-7, but nah screw it, we’re winning more games than losing down this stretch, I can feel it)
Also— perhaps we stand a better chance of stealing one from the Nuggets than the Suns right now, but reason I picked the Suns is b/c we play them twice. It’s hard to beat any team twice in a short time span, especially a stingy and passionate team like the Knicks.
following the future Dallas draft pick as much as I am the Knicks and I see that BBI's favorite former Dukie Grayson Allen missed breakaway dunk in OT was a factor in the Memphis lost last night. Nice...
Listen the guy is other worldly but how does philly let him do that last night playing with Draymond, Mo Larry and curly?
I get that he shoots from 35 feet in but as soon as he get over half court you do what Thibs would do. Double the ball out of his hands. Doc is a better coach than that.
The Athletic is doing a podcast called 'Shattered'...pretty much an oral history of the last 20 years of Knicks basketball. It's obviously not the cheery of pods, but it's a solid listen with a bunch of guests jumping on.
The Athletic is doing a podcast called 'Shattered'...pretty much an oral history of the last 20 years of Knicks basketball. It's obviously not the cheery of pods, but it's a solid listen with a bunch of guests jumping on.
Haha. I listen because I'm a glutton for punishment. They released an episode this morning about Isiah's time here...Good God.
I feel like at the time he took over, instead of doing a bunch of trades and trading for Marbury, if he just cleared cap, he would of been able to get stars to come to New York..
It wasnt that far off from when the Knicks were relevant..
I remember Damon Stoudemire and Sheed both wanted to come to thr Knicks..
But isiah always had a quick trigger when it came to trades..
Payton is so butthurt by Jordan laughing at him in the documentary. He said Lebron was the better player.. "by far" lol
Karl actually screwed that up, waiting until Game 4 to put GP on MJ. Payton played MJ pretty well defensively the rest of the series. Nevertheless, Chicago would have probably won regardless if Karl had put The Glove on Jordan from the jump.
Gafford seems like a steal for Washington. He's #1 in the NBA in terms of rim protection since the trade deadline and is averaging 11 and 6 with 2 blocks since joining them. A Mitch type.
nygiants16, when I think of Thomas' time here...Jerome James is the first thing that comes to mind, along with the sexual harassment stuff. Dark times, dark times...
The Athletic is doing a podcast called 'Shattered'...pretty much an oral history of the last 20 years of Knicks basketball. It's obviously not the cheery of pods, but it's a solid listen with a bunch of guests jumping on.
Ummm I've lived it. No thanks. Now that we actually appear to have left the woods why in ever loving hell would I wanna go back and re-live it. Hard pass.
Gafford seems like a steal for Washington. He's #1 in the NBA in terms of rim protection since the trade deadline and is averaging 11 and 6 with 2 blocks since joining them. A Mitch type.
Did you see their stat line from last night? The Wiz played three centers 16 minutes apiece and they combined to score 39 points on 16-18 from the field with 11 rebounds. I know it was against OKC, but that’s crazy.
Gafford seems like a steal for Washington. He's #1 in the NBA in terms of rim protection since the trade deadline and is averaging 11 and 6 with 2 blocks since joining them. A Mitch type.
Did you see their stat line from last night? The Wiz played three centers 16 minutes apiece and they combined to score 39 points on 16-18 from the field with 11 rebounds. I know it was against OKC, but that’s crazy.
The Athletic is doing a podcast called 'Shattered'...pretty much an oral history of the last 20 years of Knicks basketball. It's obviously not the cheery of pods, but it's a solid listen with a bunch of guests jumping on.
Ummm I've lived it. No thanks. Now that we actually appear to have left the woods why in ever loving hell would I wanna go back and re-live it. Hard pass.
Stu, I respect that, Haha. I don't blame ya. I'm a sucker for those type of pods though.
Of course the Wiz put up that line vs. OKC. The Thunder were probably playing that rookie center who is something like 7'5 & weighs 95 pounds soaking wet.
What the problem was starting with the Ewing trade up until L.Rose is that every Knick GM did the same thing: 1 cataclysmically bad move (Ewing Trade, Eddie Curry, Marbury etc...) that always led to a series of awful moves to try and fix the mess (Jerome James, Steve Francis, Noah etc...) which just turned the whole thing into a hopeless pile of shit. Walsh was a brief respite, but he had his doozies too like the whole Billups option mess and giving away a 1st rounder to get rid of Jeffries right before just about every FA laughed at us during the summer of 2010. Ok I've said my peace lol...
Isaih was not only just about the worst GM in NBA history, taking an aging lousy roster and actually making it worse somehow talent wise while leaving us about 100 million over the cap, but he may have been the worst executive in employment history! On top of the aforementioned atrocity he cost Dolan 11.5 million with the whole Anuka Browne Sanders mess.
Horrible call
Adams is killing us
Adams is killing us
such a load of crap, they let ingram get fouled and take 2 steps and call continuation, Randle is going up for his shot and they side to side, ehat a load if crap
Wheres Jake O'Donnell and Steve Javie when you need them?
Didnt you know that NBA decision making is infallible? From allowing an all star game during apandemic, to supporting a country that violates human rights to an egregious level, to lack of oversight for incompetence from officials not long after a game fixing scandal that spanned a decade.
Fuck this league.
He is a depreciating value too often.
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Toppin just blows. Just looks goofy out there.
He is a depreciating value too often.
Id rather see Knox play at this point
It hides his gobbler
Doc Rivers is worse.
I thought Lonzo was hitting his 3s?
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is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
I thought Lonzo was hitting his 3s?
In this game you saw the Knicks sag off Lonzo twice to dare him to hit perimeter shots. Surely the Knicks aren't the only team who does this vs. the Pelicans
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does nothing on your chin while you scream
Doc Rivers is worse.
Thibs does the same thing
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is that teams are going to sag off Lonzo a lot and force him to hit that perimeter shot. We would either need a pretty good scoring guard to go with Lonzo and move Barrett to the small forward, or we'd need a wing who's larger than Barrett who can score and Barrett would stay put as a guard
I thought Lonzo was hitting his 3s?
In this game you saw the Knicks sag off Lonzo twice to dare him to hit perimeter shots. Surely the Knicks aren't the only team who does this vs. the Pelicans
I did notice that. I dont want a point who cant shoot.
Over Mitch?
and he has shown a little offense
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He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yes because it will be 10 million per cheaper
Thanks.
For sure
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He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yes because it will be 10 million per cheaper
10 mill per year? Or total. If total, that doesnt make sense. Plus the broken foot may affect his negotiations.
He has carried this team.
Let's get that 4 or 5 seed.
This is all at 19 years old. Kid is going to be an elite wing very soon.
He doesnt play with the ball in his hands, he isnplaying off the ball, he is not playing point..
it is why thr Pelicans are not better
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He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yeah, I'd trade Mitch. He's just not durable and he wants to get paid. I'd trade him in the offseason while he still has value. Would love a guy like Kai Jones or Day'Ron Sharpe with our latter first round pick. Sharpe is one of the best passing big men I've seen in college basketball.
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He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yes because it will be 10 million per cheaper
10 mill per year? Or total. If total, that doesnt make sense. Plus the broken foot may affect his negotiations.
Per year.
Mitch has said he wants 15 to 20 million per.
Re-up Noel for 5-7 million.
This is all at 19 years old. Kid is going to be an elite wing very soon.
20. But very true. He's also more athletic than people give him credit for.
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He may have the worst hands of any C, but the guy is a force on the defensive end
Over Mitch?
Yes because it will be 10 million per cheaper
10 mill per year? Or total. If total, that doesnt make sense. Plus the broken foot may affect his negotiations.
Per year.
Mitch has said he wants 15 to 20 million per.
Re-up Noel for 5-7 million.
Hahahahahaha....good luck with that Mitch!
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
I think you gotta go game by game. But I would not try to push it. We need IQ to get a bit more consistent shooting, otherwise its gonna be a ton of EP.
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
I think so, i think Thibs is pacing him...
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I know he has said 25 to 26 minutes is his max.
Which has him playing the 2nd and the 4th quarter.
Does this change come playoffs?
I think you gotta go game by game. But I would not try to push it. We need IQ to get a bit more consistent shooting, otherwise its gonna be a ton of EP.
That's my fear we hold on in the first quarter 4 out of every 5 games with Elf.
I do like Thibs pulling Randle with 4 minutes left in the first.
It's 2 games in a row he his done it.
Thanks for the correction, bud. Kid's good double arrows pointing up. Very exciting time to be a Knicks/Rangers fan.
Not when you consider Tim Donnelly...
HAHAHAHAHAGAGAGAVAVAVvbab
I cant think of what it would be either. Hahaha
Hahah, there's that patented B in ALB humor. Do Doris Burke next!
You DO realize free throws were 8-5 in favor of the Knicks at the half right?
Yea in hindsight, I would have preferred the bucket for the water fowl
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You DO realize free throws were 8-5 in favor of the Knicks at the half right?
they have called 2 fouls total on the pelicans starters
Fucking ridiculous.
We can't buy a call today.
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Billy Kennedy and his crew doing their part to keep this game close for the ESPN national broadcast
Very true. I wish I could put together a spray chart of rebounds Noel doesnt even contest vs the hustle rebounds Mitch gets. We get killed by good bigs on the boards when Mitch is out.
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Wouldnt surprise me. This league is crooked and infected as Andrew Wiener's weener.
That was a rough pass
I thought it was a foul.
But hey, like Hahn said, the game is close in the 4th....time to swallow the whistles! Meanwhile, Adam Silver swallows the dongs of corporate America.
He is an albatross.
In all seriousness...
Clutch for sure!
Bad look for a vet.
Yup, Rose blocked Bledsoe's shot to force OT
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He is an albatross.
He may be that, but IQ is afraid to shoot at this point. Its bizarre.
Go Knicks!
Minimal contact but why put yourself in that position?
Shameful calls. Trying to keep people watching.
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Minimal contact but why put yourself in that position?
completely stupid by frank
I could have taken that shit Ive been holding in since a minute left and still watched the end of the game.
Randle another 30+ game.
D-Rose was a beast today played 34 minutes.
I could have taken that shit Ive been holding in since a minute left and still watched the end of the game.
that is why it was clear path
So you're telling me Payton is a negative? Hahaha.
Yea, I would feel diff if we needed a bucket to tie or win,but at this point, IQ or Frank are better options. Payton gets to the hoop is my only thang
That is the league, not the player
Wonder if DJ asked, "Hey you wanna be a Tight End?"
Duke connection with Zion.
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when Payton was taken out and Quickley brought back
Yea, I would feel diff if we needed a bucket to tie or win,but at this point, IQ or Frank are better options. Payton gets to the hoop is my only thang
I agree he gets to the hoop and if he is finishing and dishing it is fine, BUT it is only 1 out of 5 games..
There are points in the game where hebjust chucks and drives into 3 people..he also freelances on defense..
6....just saying
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
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Yea, I would feel diff if we needed a bucket to tie or win,but at this point, IQ or Frank are better options. Payton gets to the hoop is my only thang
Frenchy is never a better option than anyone
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when Payton was taken out and Quickley brought back
Yea, I would feel diff if we needed a bucket to tie or win,but at this point, IQ or Frank are better options. Payton gets to the hoop is my only thang
I agree he gets to the hoop and if he is finishing and dishing it is fine, BUT it is only 1 out of 5 games..
There are points in the game where hebjust chucks and drives into 3 people..he also freelances on defense..
Yea, Ive been seeing that a lot lately from him. But IQ is also afraid to shoot late which is troublesome.
We need a point in this draft. I didnt see much from Lonzo that would make me prefer him to EP cost-wise.
Totally agree. Maybe as a TE for DJ tho?
I know he is older than Mitch but he should come cheaper and we could package Mitch in a deal in the off season.
Taj, Rose,and Burks need to be resigned
I agree, but I am taking credit...Icredit...I put my new Knicks snap back on in the firts half backwards. I flipped it forwards so I could lay back on the couch. Then, mid-way through the 4th I flipped her again.
You are all welcome.
One team is sprinti g for a playoff birth, the other is taking daily shits on live tv, you do the math.
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I thought they had no chance. They were so flat. Found a way to win. Knicks are turning in to a good team.
I agree, but I am taking credit...Icredit...I put my new Knicks snap back on in the firts half backwards. I flipped it forwards so I could lay back on the couch. Then, mid-way through the 4th I flipped her again.
You are all welcome.
Forget you Chopper I started a damn game thread and that's what caused the win.
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
And, a message to stars who suspect that playing in MSG might be fun: Clyde observing that at the end of OT, "all of the celebrities are still here!"
The hunger for a high performance team at MSG is off the charts.
Btw, have to give Noel credit. He looked as if he was really getting beat up, but stayed the course.
Rose really looks as if he wants to come back next year.
I am pretty sure that Lonzo Ball is playing hurt. He was unimpressive.
The Knicks are exciting, talented and hard working. They're immensely fun to watch and root for.
Meanwhile, the Yankees aren't qualified to mop the floors at a Tijuana donkey show.
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Knicks threads having more action than Yankees threads. Times are weird.
The Knicks are exciting, talented and hard working. They're immensely fun to watch and root for.
Meanwhile, the Yankees aren't qualified to mop the floors at a Tijuana donkey show.
Ive never been to one, what happens at those things?
Just bought tickets for the memphis game May 3rd.
And, a message to stars who suspect that playing in MSG might be fun: Clyde observing that at the end of OT, "all of the celebrities are still here!"
The hunger for a high performance team at MSG is off the charts.
Btw, have to give Noel credit. He looked as if he was really getting beat up, but stayed the course.
Rose really looks as if he wants to come back next year.
I am pretty sure that Lonzo Ball is playing hurt. He was unimpressive.
i agree with everything you said, but they got WHOOPED on the boards through much of the game. I think the 4th and OT made it closer. They also played a team who cant hit the 3. Just saying, lets keep it in perspective.
Either way, you are right. This epitomized a gutty win.
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Knicks threads having more action than Yankees threads. Times are weird.
The Knicks are exciting, talented and hard working. They're immensely fun to watch and root for.
Meanwhile, the Yankees aren't qualified to mop the floors at a Tijuana donkey show.
Ive never been to one, what happens at those things?
Some slag with nothing to lose and a serious heroin problem gets boned by a donkey while drunk gringos try not to vomit.
If the Knicks had a more winning history, they'd be as popular as the Yankees in NYC
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Knicks threads having more action than Yankees threads. Times are weird.
The Knicks are exciting, talented and hard working. They're immensely fun to watch and root for.
Meanwhile, the Yankees aren't qualified to mop the floors at a Tijuana donkey show.
Ive never been to one, what happens at those things?
Some slag with nothing to lose and a serious heroin problem gets boned by a donkey while drunk gringos try not to vomit.
::resists a B family reunion joke because Im happy that he's back::
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If the Knicks had a more winning history, they'd be as popular as the Yankees in NYC
Being at the Garden in the playoffs full crowd is so much fun, there is such a buzz, it is awesome..
Ive been to Rangers, Knicks, Yankees and giants playoff games, the buzz was the best for the Knicks..
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Knicks threads having more action than Yankees threads. Times are weird.
If the Knicks had a more winning history, they'd be as popular as the Yankees in NYC
Being at the Garden in the playoffs full crowd is so much fun, there is such a buzz, it is awesome..
Ive been to Rangers, Knicks, Yankees and giants playoff games, the buzz was the best for the Knicks..
My company has a suite at the Garden and we would go to the Rangers, Knicks and concerts all the time before the Covid. You're right - Knicks games were always awesome even when they were turrible.
The Knicks are the only team the entire city gets behind, every other major sport is split.
In the 90s, I prioritized Knicks day games over Giants games. Yea,the Giants werent great, but everything about that building when the Knicks are popping was so intense. The crowd just sounds more "masculine" (meaning bassier) than other NBA arenas. You would hear MSG and then when a game was in Indiana, or Miami or San Antonio and the crowd sounded like a bridal shower. The Knicks playing ball in Spring with that NBA on NBC intro probably elevated my heart rate more than anything else.
Btw, I just bought this and I have never been as excited about a purchase:
I couldn’t agree more. Watching a team with low expectations and a lot of homegrown talent... there’s nothing better as a fan.
I’m sure the Nets fans (I mean, I’ve never met one, but...) are having a great time, too, but personally I don’t see how you give a shit about any of those guys. I feel so personally invested with RJ’s development, for instance, that when he succeeds it feels even better than it would in a vacuum, because of our awareness of the whole track that led up to it.
No.
Not a good game but I still want him this summer. He would fit perfectly on this team.
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I couldn’t agree more. Watching a team with low expectations and a lot of homegrown talent... there’s nothing better as a fan.
I’m sure the Nets fans (I mean, I’ve never met one, but...) are having a great time, too, but personally I don’t see how you give a shit about any of those guys. I feel so personally invested with RJ’s development, for instance, that when he succeeds it feels even better than it would in a vacuum, because of our awareness of the whole track that led up to it.
Totally agree. If we can add a real PG this offseason and maybe make a run at Beal or LaVine, to go with the new defensive identity Thibs has added, this team reminds me of those Boston teams in the late 00s
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No.
KD is hurt again.
If the Knicks signed him, I don't think he is capable anymore of carrying a team through an 82 game season.
you better have a good team around him going forward because IMO he will always be on a game minutes restrictions going forward.
Right? Prob meant to be more of a backwards hat to be fair.
The most intense and rocking sporting event I have ever been to was at MSG to see the Bernard King led Knicks play the Celtics in the playoffs, it was off the charts! NYC loves the Knicks.
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Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
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Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
Ppl hypothesized this may be the case going into the draft. I hope it turns out to be right! (We would still rather have Ja Morant though lol.)
Arguing with opposing players (Bulliock) and getting in his face
Young players even though he’s a star shouldn’t behave like that
I got one as a fan have zero interest in watching this prima Donna
That "Molotov cocktail" had some big nasty enriched plutonium in it.
Would never be possible unless we got some other scoring from the perimeter because JR would have to be gonzo. Obviously I would be a fan (yes we lose perimeter scoring), Zion as a straight 4 who is learnimg to play D....it makes it a tough decision with Randle playing well and hpw Zion compliments Barrett's game.
Don't tase me bro
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Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
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That when Knicks are good...they are bigger than Yankees. I have no clue. I never lived in NYC.
The most intense and rocking sporting event I have ever been to was at MSG to see the Bernard King led Knicks play the Celtics in the playoffs, it was off the charts! NYC loves the Knicks.
It was like that in the 70s too. The intensity during playoff games was unreal. It wasn't just everyone clapping and yelling. It was a whole arena full of foot-stomping. And MSG was a relatively new arena back then. Those were great times....
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Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
If you flip Zion for Randle and put Zion on this Knicks team are they better? no
I just dont like Zions game and i dont think he is going to last long, constantly trying to drive into 3 people is not going to work, ask Lebron..even Lebron had to get a junper to take the next step..
at rhe end of Ganes the zpelicans lose why? because zion has 1 way to score
I dont like Simmons but Simmons does everything on the court besides shoot, He can rebound, defense every position, can run the offense, killer on the break, attacks the basket, has a little post up game..
Zion can rebound and score in the paint and no question he is dominant at it..
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
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Just curious, but if in the offseason the Pelicans offered Zion for Randle straight up, would you do it?
No, only way i want Zion is if he develops an outside shot, being a willing passer doesnt make you a point guard..
He is only effective going to the rim..
You're nuts.....I would.
Post presence...we can draft a poimt, RJ is hitting his 3s, he and Zion running the break vs how many times JR does dumb shit in transition or with the shot clock running down.
Take that statement back. You are better than that
If you flip Zion for Randle and put Zion on this Knicks team are they better? no
I just dont like Zions game and i dont think he is going to last long, constantly trying to drive into 3 people is not going to work, ask Lebron..even Lebron had to get a junper to take the next step..
at rhe end of Ganes the zpelicans lose why? because zion has 1 way to score
Actually I think they are given the draft capital. How many times have you seen games won and lost with jump shots by the Knicks? Zion gives them post presence and rim protection. JR puts up poimts and collects rebounds at a high rate. He is Zach Randolph pt. 2. Which is fine, but Zion is starting to play defense and will yield possessions to guys like Barrett and IQ rather than being the sole option when you need 2 points.
Im surprised you are even arguing this. Zion playing with his best buddy vs JR? And I love JR, just fucking astonishing to see you post that. I would take Zion 8n a heartbeat straight up for Randle.
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
To me, it's Nets-provided fully healthy which is a total ? mark-or 76ers.
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
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Ben Simmons-nygiants16 favorite player ever, Haha-unwillingness to shoot is something I could watch a documentary on. It fascinates me.
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
I love you nygiants and love your contributions. But I am also convinced you dont know what it is like to play the game.
Having a low post athlete like Zion getting coached by Thibs would be a fucking nightmare for teams playing us.
He'll learn to shoot from 3 and how to D mobile 4s. Then he will just block shots, rebound and score at the clip he already is.
Dont be silly.
and then hr made the dagger 3, could zion have done that for the Pelicans? no not yet, could he get there? 100%..
and i said if he gets there i want him in a heartbeat, but this version kf Zion? no
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
Barrett couldbt shoot before this year. And Zion is shooting 36% from 3 for his career and 60% from the field.
Wrong again. Just drop this one.
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Ben Simmons-nygiants16 favorite player ever, Haha-unwillingness to shoot is something I could watch a documentary on. It fascinates me.
I dont like players who cant shoot a lick..you dont win with those type of players, come playoff time when games are tigher, a lot more 1 on 1 you have to be able to shoot, if you cant you wont win in the playoffs..
it is my same knock on Giannis..
Js Zion a dominant beast in the paint? 100% but come the playoffs teams are not going to let you jusg walk into the paint..its really that simple
I love you nygiants and love your contributions. But I am also convinced you dont know what it is like to play the game.
Having a low post athlete like Zion getting coached by Thibs would be a fucking nightmare for teams playing us.
He'll learn to shoot from 3 and how to D mobile 4s. Then he will just block shots, rebound and score at the clip he already is.
Dont be silly.
and i said if he learned to shoot the 3 i want him in a second, wouldnt even think twice..
until then you cant have your 4 and 5 be non shooters, there is a reason why thr Pelicans are not very good..
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
i said if the ball is not in his hands he is a lob threat and rebounder..
Ball in his hands is different..
It really doesnt make your argument any better.
Yes it does because he cant shoot, you will never win anything with him as your best player if he never gets a jumper..
You going to jjst give him the ball everytime down and let him drive into 3 people? it wont work in the playoffs..
when i judge a player when he is that good i judge on kf he can be effective come playoff time, cool put up your 30-10 but did your team win? did you make the game easier for your teammates? where did you sckre? when did you sckre? did you hit big buckets down the stretch?
putting uo nunbers is one thing, how do you effect a game is another
Barrett couldbt shoot before this year. And Zion is shooting 36% from 3 for his career and 60% from the field.
Wrong again. Just drop this one.
he shoots less than a 3 a game, dont gice me percentages
You want me to post each's numbers after 1.5 years in the league? Because this is Randle's 7th.
That West Coast trip, sans Houston, is going to be a bitch.
and dont give me his career 3 point percentage he shoots less than a 3 a game
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
You want me to post each's numbers after 1.5 years in the league? Because this is Randle's 7th.
and thats fine, you disagree i dont care lol, i dont like zions game, for now and for the future until he develops a 3
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
and dont give me his career 3 point percentage he shoots less than a 3 a game
Just bonkers. Once a good coach shows him how to operate in the post he will be like Shaq given today's 5s. At the very least, Kenderick Perkins. The guy is a fucking monster. When he learns to shoot he is going to be the Kraken.
Randle picked up a 3 pt shot in one summer.
and this is all i am saying, when he does it i will want him, but until he proves it i am skeptical..
i also am skeptical on how long he will last
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Ok dude. Weird hill to die on.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
You are a Picasso with words!
Our Knicks are kicking ass! 6 games in a row! LFG! The Hornets are running into a buzz saw tomorrow night.
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Ok dude. Weird hill to die on.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
Your gettinf annoyed because you disagree with someone on a message board? lol
I never said he coukdnt or wouldnt be better than Randle all i am saying is right now Randle is better..
Zion coukd easily be all world dominant player, never said he couldnt
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
https://twitter.com/YahooSports/status/1383849760876949517?s=19
Milo: Chopper! Sic'em, boy!
The Writer: Now he said, "Sic'em, boy!" But what I heard was, "Chopper! Sic balls!"
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Ok dude. Weird hill to die on.
Literally everybody thinks you're crazy for not doing that trade. Itd never happen either. It would be Randle plus at least one 1st to start the conversation and yea, I would still make that trade. Youre absolutely delirious or drunk if you wouldnt.
i am not dieing on any hill, you think Zion is going to be all world, i do not
No, I think he is going to be much better than Randle.
Om Im out because Im getting annoyed. I cant believe the stance you have taken.
ZION WILL BE A BETTER PLAYER THAN JR. Its all moot because NO would never make that trade.
This is like saying Kurt Thomas was a better 5 than Marcus Camby
Your gettinf annoyed because you disagree with someone on a message board? lol
I never said he coukdnt or wouldnt be better than Randle all i am saying is right now Randle is better..
Zion coukd easily be all world dominant player, never said he couldnt
Yes I am, because you dont make any sense and you havent told me you are drunk.
G'night....this was the worst post Knicks win convo Ive ever had. Incredible idea: "Hey we will give you a 20 year old low post maniac who is best friends with your 2 Guard for a 20 & 10 giy who forgets the time on the shot clock and doesnt play defense....what do you say?"
"No" ::click::
Lmfao
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I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
He said RIGHT NOW, hoky crap calm the f down..
No one said Randle is going to habe a better career, no one said Ziom couldnt develop a 3..
I said RIGHT NOW!
you attacj without reading, i said if Zion develops a 3 i would take him a nano second, but right now Randle is better for this team...i am not talking about the futurs
Milo: Chopper! Sic'em, boy!
The Writer: Now he said, "Sic'em, boy!" But what I heard was, "Chopper! Sic balls!"
The NO GM after the Knicks refuse the trade:
No one said he was done developing
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i do not want Zion in New york, no thanks
He is a beast but I worry about him long term with that weight and possible lower body injuries.
If he devlops a jumper absolutely, but if the ball is not constantly in his hands he is useless, he is basically a lob threat and rebounder
You guys are talking about Zion? Just a lob threat? He’s automatic with the ball in his hands. He’s an insanely talented and productive player. And he’s 20. Yes, you’d take him here in a heartbeat even if he didn’t get any better. And he likely will. Again, he’s a child. I’d piggy back the entire Knicks roster sans Randle, and every pick we own all the way to New Orleans for Zion. Then I’d sign PGs and SGs and destroy the East for five straight seasons.
Fuck yes.
If the NO GM made that trade and I were a Pels fan, I would gut him in the street with the hub cap of a '99 Chrysler Dynasty
You are a Picasso with words!
I drove one of those bitches....thats how I would end a blood feud. Lol
Silly argument.
No one said he was done developing
And I would still make that trade. Unless you are talkimg about the trade only being for the season and then they go back to their original teams....which is also crazy.
G'night buddy. We'll talk again umder better conditions. Lol.
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
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i was only thinking about this year and said if Zion develops the 3 i would take him without thinking twice.
No one said he was done developing
And I would still make that trade. Unless you are talkimg about the trade only being for the season and then they go back to their original teams....which is also crazy.
G'night buddy. We'll talk again umder better conditions. Lol.
i am fine brother, i dont get mad in debates and yes i was talking only this season
Silly argument.
Totally agree! Which is why the thought of that trade is silly unless NO still had Anthony Davis and were pushing for a ring.
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Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
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Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
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Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
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Well, I think comparing RJ to Zion right now is silly. Zion is a second year dude who is 20. JR has been in the league since '14 & is in his 6th year. Both are having great seasons. Zion isn't a finished product yet at all...
Silly argument.
no shit, but i am an idiot because i would take Randle for this year over Zion..
Not what you said, but okay.....till Tuesday!
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You better open mouth kiss me if you are going to kiss me
always i dont start something i dont finisb
the first game the big 3 play may be game 1 of the playoffs
God I hope so. Those guys cant lose enough.
I have a feeling the Heat might make another run through the playoffs. That team is built for playoff ball
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Non Knicks related ?...anyone thinking the stars are aligning AGAINST the Nets? KD comes up lame again today with a thigh contusion. It just seems like they can't get their Big Three on the court together at all & if they are going to win the East, they probably gotta be at full strength & have enough time to mesh. There's not much of a regular season left.
God I hope so. Those guys cant lose enough.
I have a feeling the Heat might make another run through the playoffs. That team is built for playoff ball
They need Herro to play better, they need bubble herro
It looked like a knee to the thigh but the fact he didnt try and keep going is a little alarming..
Randle had the same thing kept playing, won the gane and then sat out 1 game and then kept playing
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I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
chop-- I agree I'd do the trade Randle for Zion (even though that will never happen) but just a question: why ask "if the trade was proposed last year would you also hold out?" ? What does last year have to do with anything? Randle has emerged as an all-star and potentially all-pro player this year thanks to an entire offseason of incredibly hard work. No one saw that coming, so of course the trade Randle for Zion would've been a no-brainer last year. This year it's a little different because we have new information on Randle.
(That said-- I agree Zion's stock is higher than Randle's so you def make that trade; he's 6 years younger and has a lot less experience, and his eventual ceiling has universally been considered one of the highest in the NBA the past few years. He still has to do the work to develop, which I think he will. So yeah, you make that trade no question)
BUT-- I also wouldn't 100% doubt just yet that Randle can't continue progressing. He's only 26. Kawhi Leonard's 1st all-star game was 2016, the year he turned 25. Some guys in this game do develop into top 5 players solely through several years of hard and determination-- they come out of nowhere and suddenly they're just one of the best in the league and perpetual MVP candidate (James Harden is another one that comes to mind of said ilk). Obviously we don't know if that will happen with Randle, but I'm just saying we don't know it WON'T happen either. It's possible. We have no idea if Randle is done progressing, and personally I in fact believe he's going to come back next year even better than this year. I mean, even Thibs said he's one of the hardest working guys he's ever seen-- Thibs never admits anyone is a hard worker lol.
1 - Sixers (50-22)
2 - Nets (48-24)
3 - Bucks (46-26)
4 - Celtics (40-32)
5 - Knicks (39-33)
6 - Heat (38-34)
7 - Hawks (38-34)
8 - Hornets (36-36)
9 - Pacers (34-48)
10- Wizards (33-39)
(Heat will hold the head-to-head tiebreak over the Hawks I believe.)
Thoughts?
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I get what nygiants is saying, but I think it's fair to say Zion's game hasn't fully developed yet. He will learn-in all likelihood- to shoot 3s. And he's already so immensely talented. The only thing that really concerns me about Zion is health going forward, but that's unpredictable.
Okay, FINE!
But to say you wouldnt make that trade if offered is fucking foolish.
Can I ask, if that trade was proposed last year when JR wasnt having a career year, would you also hold out?
This is insane we are evene talking about this. We havent even gotten to the financials.
Lets just stop. Im about to throw something.
chop-- I agree I'd do the trade Randle for Zion (even though that will never happen) but just a question: why ask "if the trade was proposed last year would you also hold out?" ? What does last year have to do with anything? Randle has emerged as an all-star and potentially all-pro player this year thanks to an entire offseason of incredibly hard work. No one saw that coming, so of course the trade Randle for Zion would've been a no-brainer last year. This year it's a little different because we have new information on Randle.
(That said-- I agree Zion's stock is higher than Randle's so you def make that trade; he's 6 years younger and has a lot less experience, and his eventual ceiling has universally been considered one of the highest in the NBA the past few years. He still has to do the work to develop, which I think he will. So yeah, you make that trade no question)
BUT-- I also wouldn't 100% doubt just yet that Randle can't continue progressing. He's only 26. Kawhi Leonard's 1st all-star game was 2016, the year he turned 25. Some guys in this game do develop into top 5 players solely through several years of hard and determination-- they come out of nowhere and suddenly they're just one of the best in the league and perpetual MVP candidate (James Harden is another one that comes to mind of said ilk). Obviously we don't know if that will happen with Randle, but I'm just saying we don't know it WON'T happen either. It's possible. We have no idea if Randle is done progressing, and personally I in fact believe he's going to come back next year even better than this year. I mean, even Thibs said he's one of the hardest working guys he's ever seen-- Thibs never admits anyone is a hard worker lol.
I wouldnt hold out. I guuess what got lost in translation was that this trade (for who would be the #1 overall pick with limits to his game) would have been laughed at last year with Randle seemingly a numbers hog and should still be laughed at this year with Randle being one of the most influential players not only in the East, but the entire league.
Discussion got waaaay out of hand. It morphed from trading each player straight up into trading each player for just this year.....I dont know whats going on right now. Lol.
If the Pelicans were the 2nd or 3rd seed, I could maybe see why they would consider it. But it matters not for the Knicks. If that phone call happens, I get the paperwork signed while I still have them on the phone with the promise of a blowjob by a hooker or myself in my back pocket.
I hope your predictions are right. That'd be fun.
Just enjoying this Knicks season and I thin the arrow is pointing up.
It's just been so cool to see the arc of their progression as a team this season. It took all those heartbreak losses and blown leads, but they didn't let it break their spirit, and I've just seen a different, more mature team over the course of this 6-game winning streak. Sure in some sense they've simply "gotten hot" recently, but it legit feels like something more than that in terms of visible growth and maturation.
I think they still need to develop that "killer instinct" that great teams have-- you could clearly see they came out flat to start the 2nd half. They built that 13 point lead in such workman-like fashion, all to just watch it evaporate in no time. I know this is an over-simplification but: great teams would be saying "we built a 13 point lead, let's make it 26 and end this shit in the 3rd quarter." Instead you could visibly see them lose focus and were a bit lackadaisical coming out of the half (the refs didn't help either, I know). But they definitely DID look like a different team than I've seen in those last 2 min of regulation. Just calmly and methodically coming back to tie the game just in time. THEN the killer instinct kicked in and they brought the hammer down in OT. This win felt really good today.
Side-note: I truly believe the refs were trying to help the Pelicans all game. The game was NOT called evenly. Twice as many PF called on the Knicks than the Pelicans (if you ignore the few intentional fouls at the end of the game). I mean it makes sense-- the league wants the Pelicans in the play-in and they're currently in 11th, while the Knicks are getting a little to far ahead of the play-in and need to be "reined in". OK, I know that sounds crazy, but there has been irrefutable evidence in the past of the league/refs calling more fouls on certain teams to make series's and playoff races more interesting (sometimes subconsciously I'm sure but also sometimes purposefully, IMO).
I am so happy watching this team and they are always in games because of the defense they play..
we got something building and it feels good and for the first time in a long time if a rumor comes out that a player wants to be a knick, i am going to believe it..
This is awesome
This team is so fun right now. They fight so hard every game and from the top to the bottom of the roster are so plugged into winning. Thibs really has built something special out of a pretty thin roster.
I am so happy watching this team and they are always in games because of the defense they play..
we got something building and it feels good and for the first time in a long time if a rumor comes out that a player wants to be a knick, i am going to believe it..
This is awesome
Feels good. Let's keep it rolling tonight.
For whatever reason, I though today was the 20th. I gotta get back into the office ASAP to get back my days right, Haha.
Larry Johnson was explosive early in his career, but injuries took their toll.
Much of Zion's current game is based on his explosiveness/quickness/jumping, which is pretty amazing considering his girth.
I agree he will most likely work on his 3 shooting and will improve, but my gut feeling is Zion will break down and lose much of his explosiveness, down the road. The question is how many yrs.
I don't see the comparisons with Shaq. Shaq is 7'1" 324 lbs. Zion is 6'7". Zion has to work on his shooting, if he wants to have a really good and long career. Shaq didn't have to.
Of course it is, league is about stars, getting them any way you can
You'll get a good idea what they want to do this offseason seeing how they treat Mitch, whether they can commit to someone like Lowry or even Chris Paul if he declines his option (it's 40 mil, but if he can sign a 2 year deal at 60? It's possible he does that).
Tearing it down and acquiring assets seems to be the easy thing to do. This next offseason will be the hard part.
You'll get a good idea what they want to do this offseason seeing how they treat Mitch, whether they can commit to someone like Lowry or even Chris Paul if he declines his option (it's 40 mil, but if he can sign a 2 year deal at 60? It's possible he does that).
Tearing it down and acquiring assets seems to be the easy thing to do. This next offseason will be the hard part.
I would argue they have a #1 star already and they might even have a #2 star.
Randle is 26 and RJ is 20 in 2 years they could both be all-stars.
If they can use the draft capital they have to move up in this draft or trade for a 3rd piece this could be a title contending team in 2 years.
Its great the Knicks are stacking wins right now and hopefully keep it going the next 7 which aren't too bad. But the final 7 has a really tough west coast trip. Hopefully some of those teams may be resting at that point. I would love to see them get the 4 or 5 seed.
Dallas is at the 7th and 2 games back of Portland for the 6th. Their schedule is very easy though. But if for any reason they fell out of the playoffs and the Knicks got a lottery pick out of them? Talk about a cherry on top of a good season.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
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Zion to New York is a real possibility, Zion chooses his words carefully, basically saying it wasnt an accident what he said yesterday
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
I doubt it does. He happened to be playing the Knicks. Obviously, if next season NO is doing poorly there will begin to be a bubbling storyline of Zion eventually bolting/wanting to bolt.
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the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
If you are going off play today yes.
But do you think both are finished getting better?
IMO Randle and RJ have obviously not reach their potential.
In 2 or 3 years they could both be all-stars and be your true 1 and 2.
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the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Yeah realistically Randle would be your 2 and Barrett your 3 or vice versa..
Team still needs a #1 to be a legit title contender..
Even if they had a bunch of good players around Barrett and Randle, you still need that number 1 guy in the playoffs
If you are going off play today yes.
But do you think both are finished getting better?
IMO Randle and RJ have obviously not reach their potential.
In 2 or 3 years they could both be all-stars and be your true 1 and 2.
All stars is one thing, becoming a superstar and being a number 1 is something different..
There are not many players who can do it on their own, that is why 2 or 3 guys always look to team up..
Lebron, KD, Curry, Jokic, Embiid, Harden are the superstars in the league, guys that can carry a team by themselves..
Nope
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
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all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
That's completely unfair. Brown/Tatum have been incredible Brown is averaging 25, 6 and 3 on 49/40/75% shooting. He has a 20.5 PER, .127 WS/48, if Barrett is Brown 2.0 then the Knicks will be very, very happy. Tatum 26, 7 and 4 49/39/87% shooting 21.3 PER, .140 WS/48. Why is Randle still getting better but we are capping Tatum 23 and Brown 24?
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all-stars would be great, but 2 all-stars also doesn't necessarily mean that team has 2 players good enough to be contenders. In this case, they likely would not. Heck, the Celtics have Tatum/Brown 2 all-stars this season and good luck finding someone who thinks the Celtics are contenders.
Neither is playing the all around game Randle is right now.
He is making the whole team better and has lifted his game to another level this past week.
His maturity and leadership is finally showing up.
IMO he can be your #1.
That's completely unfair. Brown/Tatum have been incredible Brown is averaging 25, 6 and 3 on 49/40/75% shooting. He has a 20.5 PER, .127 WS/48, if Barrett is Brown 2.0 then the Knicks will be very, very happy. Tatum 26, 7 and 4 49/39/87% shooting 21.3 PER, .140 WS/48. Why is Randle still getting better but we are capping Tatum 23 and Brown 24?
I am absolutely not undervaluing the 2 in Boston that was the case you made.
I think Boston should be much better than they are and on paper they are the 4th best team in the east.
They have started to put it all together and will be dangerous.
Same. I'm somewhat pessimistic on our chance's to land a true franchise changing star anytime soon, but I'm REALLY enjoying having a competitive team to watch every night. Also helps that they've been drama free.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
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In comment 15225533 nygiants16 said:
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Zion to New York is a real possibility, Zion chooses his words carefully, basically saying it wasnt an accident what he said yesterday
I hope this doesn't start to dominate news cycles. He's so far away from even having the option to leave. This is a pipe dream for like 3 seasons at least.
I doubt it does. He happened to be playing the Knicks. Obviously, if next season NO is doing poorly there will begin to be a bubbling storyline of Zion eventually bolting/wanting to bolt.
Damn, well generation Z (no pun intended in talking about Zion) is even more about immediate gratification than us millennials, so Zion demanding to be traded after 2.5 seasons of the Pelicans being mediocre would be par for the course for a gen Z guy lol. I’m half-kidding, yet at the same time I agree that’s very possible.
Anthony Davis at least stuck it out for EIGHT bad seasons with the Pelicans. But in this day and age I’m not sure we’ll ever see that from a top 5-10 player ever again. Not entirely their fault though, I guarantee you if the Pelicans aren’t in the playoff hunt next year there will already be people questioning if Zion is truly a “winner” and if he will ever win a championship, and it may cause him to get a little antsy.
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the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
He believes Randle/Barrett are realistically a 1 and 2 on a title team/contender. I strongly disagree. Can they be the 2nd and 3rd best players on a contender? It depends on your #1 and the surrounding players but yes it seems feasible. I
Long story short, I don't see it being realistic to ever view the Knicks as legitimate contenders without adding a player at minimum as good as Randle, and more likely a guy better aka a true franchise player.
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the direction of the team but the Knicks do not have #1 and #2 stars. A team with a legitimate #1 star and a #2 star is a title contender and while Julius Randle has been incredible and Barrett a very nice 2nd season name a championship team headed by a duo "that bad". People will of course point to the outlier Pistons team with 4 all-stars or a Mavs team who had a HOFer as the #1.
Maybe I'm not understanding but I think Randle can definitely be a number 2 option on a contender. Barrett is probably ideally your 3 probably 4th. But that also depends on the surrounding players.
It would be amazing to land a superstar in the next year, but I don't think the Knicks have limited window here to land one. Just keep building and building. Try to nab 1 or 2 good players in free agency and hope you hit on the draft picks.
I think in previous years the talks of a promising future with the "extra draft picks and young core" was laughable. But not anymore. The Knicks are in a fantastic situation moving forward.
Barrett is a 20 yr old ascending talent who’s so far living up to the billing of being drafted #3 overall. He could very well be an all star in 2 years. If he’s our “4th option” 2 years from now ... well I’m just saying I think it’s a pipe dream to imagine we’ll be able to acquire 2 additional all stars, but it is fun to dream.
But, as long as we’re dreaming this afternoon— might as well throw this out there: I think more likely than acquiring 2 all stars over the next year or 2, another path to contending for a title would be acquiring a single top 5 player ... one Kawhi Leonard (assuming the Clippers don’t make it out of the west and Kawhi opts out of his contract). And the way these things work in the NBA now: once one big domino falls and a team becomes a legit contender, other pieces are more likely to come along for the ride. For instance: we sign Kawhi, then we could either ride with Mitch at the 5 and/or trade him and signed Drummond. Could we still afford Ball after all that? Ball—Barrett—Leonard—Randle—Drummond/Mitch ... that’s a 2022 / 2023 title contender right there.
Also— I’m gonna continue saying this over and over: I really would not count out Julius Randle’s progression just suddenly stopping at his current level. He could very well come back even better in 2022 and even better in 2023. We’ve seen that before from NBA players who are late risers and ascend thanks to sheer hard work as opposed to just getting by on pure natural talent (although I realize you need both to be an all star, all the talk in the locker room has been about how hard Randle has worked and continues to work).
Who is the last title team to win without a top 5 NBA player?
Who is the last title team to win without a top 5 NBA player?
2013-14 Spurs?
Kawhi, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Splitter...
Kawhi wasn't Top 5 or even Top 10 back then.
Not if we have anything to say about it ;-)
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Who is the last title team to win without a top 5 NBA player?
2013-14 Spurs?
Kawhi, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Splitter...
Kawhi wasn't Top 5 or even Top 10 back then.
2013-2014 Spurs had 5 players with a PER 18.7 or greater. The Knicks have 1 (Randle). They had 5 players with 2+ VORP, the Knicks again have 1. So yeah, if the Knicks add 3 more players of the quality of Julius Randle then sure we'd be talking about them as that level of team. They will not be there with RJ Barrett simply "getting better".
Randle/Barrett
Julius and RJ are no the 1-2 on a true title contender unless RJ becomes a true no. 1 scoring threat which feels unlikely.
But to answer your question, this Pelicans roster really is great on paper. It's really surprising to me that they aren't better. Their bench stinks but 1-5 they're really solid.
I think the Knicks could field a competitive team for the next 5+ years if they added a superstar to the lineup that they have now.
But let's be honest here. If the front office is interested in preserving that cap space for 2022, then this team will be overhauled in the offseason and might not be as competitive as it is this year, next year.
This offseason we stand to lose:
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
Elfrid Payton (yay)
Nerlens Noel
Reggie Bullock
Frank Ntilikina
Say what you want about some of those players, that represents 5 of our top 10 players.
This offseason is going to be crazy I think.
I think the only chance that happens is Booker asking out. They are 40-16 so I find it hard to believe that happens.
I think the Knicks could field a competitive team for the next 5+ years if they added a superstar to the lineup that they have now.
But let's be honest here. If the front office is interested in preserving that cap space for 2022, then this team will be overhauled in the offseason and might not be as competitive as it is this year, next year.
This offseason we stand to lose:
Derrick Rose
Alec Burks
Elfrid Payton (yay)
Nerlens Noel
Reggie Bullock
Frank Ntilikina
Say what you want about some of those players, that represents 5 of our top 10 players.
This offseason is going to be crazy I think.
I am bringing back, Rose, Burks and Noel..
Would love Bullock back as well but i think they try and upgrade the starting back court..
No disagreement here. I see McConnell as an addition that makes the roster better. Not "the answer" at PG. Nothing against IQ at all but I think he's Lou Williams 2.0, long one of the most underrated players in the league.
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the Knicks are on track to be contenders with Randle/Barrett as their top 2 then I assume people think New Orleans is going to be contending for a title shortly? Zion/Ingram vs. Zion/Barrett
Julius and RJ are no the 1-2 on a true title contender unless RJ becomes a true no. 1 scoring threat which feels unlikely.
But to answer your question, this Pelicans roster really is great on paper. It's really surprising to me that they aren't better. Their bench stinks but 1-5 they're really solid.
Lebron didn't win his first title until he was 27.
Zion is 20 years old, Lonzo is 23, Ingram is 23, if they continue to get better, develop physically and understand the game. You can't see those 3 competing for a title?
The current top 10 players in the league is going to look a lot different in 4 years.
Look at the age of Curry, Klay, lebron, CP3, KD, Dame, Kawhi.
After reading that article on the front office, that could mean anything. Maybe West is high on him?
I bet he does opt out. Even if its to squeeze another year or 2 out of Phoenix. But he has all the leverage now and why risk another season of a possible injury or fallen off? He will be coming off 2 all nba level years and has the Suns in their best postion in a very long time.
The question is if the Knicks will pursue him?
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teams (why they would know this I don't know) apparently hear the Knicks are very high on Jaden Springer
After reading that article on the front office, that could mean anything. Maybe West is high on him?
That's the thing, they have so many voices in the FO it's hard to really know what it means when "the Knicks are high on".
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
In fairness, Lonzo has been dealing with a hip issue for about a month now (not considered serious) so I wouldn't read too much into his play.
I'd be happier giving Lowry or Paul or whoever a big deal for 2 years. Even though Ball is younger, I don't know that he has the court vision that they do.
Lonzo also isnt being used as a point guard, he is being used as a 3 and d guy
They have roughly 60 million to spend. Lonzo wouldn't come close to "all" of their cap room.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
Good fuck this guy
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should be noted, if not Lonzo then who?
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
Davion Mitchell looked freakin awesome to me in the tournament, looked like a polished professional and a badass competition every second he was out there— sign me up for him, I think he’d fit perfectly in with this Knicks squad. Not to mention coming from Baylor he’s already be taught how to play aggressive D and I’m sure Thibs would love him. He could fall simply because Cunningham and Suggs have gotten and will get all the attention. Mitchell considering he’s 6’2” looks like he’s built like a truck too. Screw Ball, I’m starting to like this idea more and more by the second
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In comment 15226134 DanMetroMan said:
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should be noted, if not Lonzo then who?
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
If Rose could play 30-34 minutes best bet would be to package picks to move up and pick one of the top 4 pgs
Cade Cunningham – 6-8 – Oklahoma St.
Jalen Suggs – 6-4 – Gonzaga.
Davion Mitchell – 6-2 – Baylor.
Josh Giddey – 6-8 – Australia.
And let them split time with Rose/Quickley.
Davion Mitchell looked freakin awesome to me in the tournament, looked like a polished professional and a badass competition every second he was out there— sign me up for him, I think he’d fit perfectly in with this Knicks squad. Not to mention coming from Baylor he’s already be taught how to play aggressive D and I’m sure Thibs would love him. He could fall simply because Cunningham and Suggs have gotten and will get all the attention. Mitchell considering he’s 6’2” looks like he’s built like a truck too. Screw Ball, I’m starting to like this idea more and more by the second
He should go between 8th to 12tg pick.
I could see the Knicks falling in love with him.
Hopefully Dallas loses in the play-in. With 4 picks this year we can package them to move up.
Love the idea of Rose/Quickley/Mitchell splitting the minutes at PG. plus maybe another serviceable vet just for depth/insurance.
Also wrote my post before I saw your last on, Larry
Shocked that Riley didn't dump him and whoever else was necessary to get Harden and keep him out of Brooklyn. I know they made the Finals last year, but it was a bit of a bubble fluke. Harden/Butler/Bam pulls Miami even with anyone in the league.
You lost me with your first sentence, Haha.
2021 PG's Lonzo, Paul (if he opts out), Conley (expected to remain in Utah), Dragic (turning 36), Schroder (turned down 84 million from LAL), Dinwiddie coming off a torn acl
2022
Rozier, Smart, Rubio, Curry (he'll be 34 and c'mon lol) and then RFA Doncic, Young, Sexton, SGA, all almost certainly will have any sheets matched by their teams.
I really dont like the idea of paying big bucks for Lonzo. I really dont. I understand he has improved his shooting a bit. I also get he isnt being used the way he should, but why is that? Why is a pass first PG whocant shoot very well not being allowed to run the point but is starting. Seems fucking weird. Plus, that defensive lapse last night was pretty freaking bad.
I think the move this year is to move up for a PG. We almost have to. I would rather roll the dice on a rookie and deal with that contract than Ball. Yes I understand he has been out, but as someone noted in the game thread, the Knicks were GIVING him wide open looks from 3 and he bricked most of them. Plus I think he is ugly.
Lets go get our own PG.
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Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
You lost me with your first sentence, Haha.
We may miss him as a scorer, but not as a passer thats for sure.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
For 20 per, I would hope he would do more than 2 FGs when the opponent isnt playing any defense on you.
Like none.
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are concerned with Tyler Herro's off court pursuit of fame lolz
Shocked that Riley didn't dump him and whoever else was necessary to get Harden and keep him out of Brooklyn. I know they made the Finals last year, but it was a bit of a bubble fluke. Harden/Butler/Bam pulls Miami even with anyone in the league.
I mentioned this when the Knicks played the heat, he is not well liked in the locker room but Butler loves him, he is protected by Butler..
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But you guys watch Last Chance U (basketball) on Netflix? I'm a few episodes in and it's really good. Highly recommend.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
Wtf is Emily in Paris? Sounds horrific.
Again, please just shoot me.
Again, please just shoot me.
Oooof. But it probably makes your wife happy, which is good.
Boston has no Kemba and no Fournier
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
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But you guys watch Last Chance U (basketball) on Netflix? I'm a few episodes in and it's really good. Highly recommend.
Buddy said the same. I haven't gotten around to it, but while. Wife controls the Netflix downstairs & we started 'Emily in Paris' on Saturday night. For the love of God, just take me out back & put me out of my misery.
You dont have a 2nd TV? Or a lap top with bluetooth headphones?
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Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
I wouldn't be opposed to that if that's what the front office wants to do.
absolutely terrible, their defense is horrid, they can score but they dont stop anyone
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In comment 15226224 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Chopper, no argument here about yesterday. He was a no show. But I'm taking the body of the work. And let's see how much he's going to get. The thing that sucks is that it's a pretty weak free agent market so some guys are going to get absurd contracts similar to the summer '16.
Like I said, package some picks and a player or 2 to move up. Mitch, both picks should be a good starting point to move up.
I wouldn't be opposed to that if that's what the front office wants to do.
We need Dallas to lose in the play in game.
Top 10 pick, mid teens pick, and Mitch might give us a shot at cade or Suggs.
We are not drafting 4 players this year and would love to go all in for Cade or Suggs.
All depends on where our picks end up post lottery.
Maybe the balls bounce our way for once and Dallas blows the play in
Yep especially because it's gonna determine the tie breaker.
Realistically I think they can go 9-5
Gives them a 40-32 record.
7-7 would be a huge season finishing 38-34.
Next 5 at home need to go 4-1 and lose to only to PHX.
Miami looks like it has the tougher schedule the rest of the way.
No one is going to want to play him in the play-in.
Mark Cuban's worst nightmare
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Part of me feels like we may miss Payton when he’s gone though. I think Rose does best coming off the bench and preserving his body — and I don’t think Quickley or Mitchell (or whoever the rookie we target) would be quite ready to be the full starter yet in 2022. Need another vet who can distribute and simply hold down the fort when needed, preferably better than Payton of course (which seemingly shouldn’t be hard to find but again Payton could be one of those dudes we end up missing more than we’d like to admit)
You lost me with your first sentence, Haha.
Hahaha nah fair enough— I’ve had more Payton-related outbursts in my home than anyone, but he continues to get minutes and I guess I just trust Thibs so much at this point I feel like he sees something in Payton that we don’t. Maybe I’m thinking too deeply lol. I guess Thibs just likes his ability to drive and score in the paint and that helps other dudes out? Then again usually when you have a guy like that you also want him to be able to drive and kick, but Payton can’t pass. I also don’t think I’ve ever seen him make a single 3 and yet he continues to take them. Idk. I’m just wondering— do you guys think D Rose, Quickley, and (let’s say rookie D Mitchell, or a diff 1st round PG) is all we’d need at the point next year? What other vet is available who we could afford to be that 4th guy? (Obviously I’m not talking about Ball in this particular conversation)
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No one is going to want to play him in the play-in.
Mark Cuban's worst nightmare
Luka/Steph going head to head in the play-in game would be must watch TV.
Realistically I think they can go 9-5
Gives them a 40-32 record.
7-7 would be a huge season finishing 38-34.
Next 5 at home need to go 4-1 and lose to only to PHX.
Last night I picked us to go 8-6 (finish 39-33) and be the 5th seed right behind the Celtics. I think Miami will finish a game below us and the Hawks will be the 7th seed, Hornets 8th (Pacers and Wizards right behind them at 9 & 10 ).
I think our realistic floor is 6-8 and our possible ceiling is 10-4. Hence I come to 8-6 lol.
With the way we’re playing, my thinking is (granted, I’m on a massive confidence high w/ this 6 game win streak lol) ...
“Definite” Wins: Raptors, Bulls, Rockets
“Definite” Losses: Nuggets, Clippers, Lakers,
Then....
6-8 scenario:
1) split w/ the Hornets,
2) split the Hawks/Celtics games,
3) split the Spurs/Grizzlies games,
4) lose BOTH games to the Suns.
10-4 scenario:
1) beat the Hornets twice
2) beat both the Hawks & the Celtics
3) beat both the Spurs and Grizzlies
4) steal 1 game from the Suns
I think 2 of the 4 things from each of the above scenarios will happen and we’ll finish 8-6.
(I’ll admit now 24 hours removed from the win last night, my gut is now saying maybe only 1 of those 4 things will happen and we finish 7-7, but nah screw it, we’re winning more games than losing down this stretch, I can feel it)
Also— perhaps we stand a better chance of stealing one from the Nuggets than the Suns right now, but reason I picked the Suns is b/c we play them twice. It’s hard to beat any team twice in a short time span, especially a stingy and passionate team like the Knicks.
Like a scene from a Woody Harrelson - Wesley Snipes movie - ( New Window )
What he's doing is UFB.
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What he's doing is UFB.
Listen the guy is other worldly but how does philly let him do that last night playing with Draymond, Mo Larry and curly?
I get that he shoots from 35 feet in but as soon as he get over half court you do what Thibs would do. Double the ball out of his hands. Doc is a better coach than that.
sounds awful, lol.
I feel like at the time he took over, instead of doing a bunch of trades and trading for Marbury, if he just cleared cap, he would of been able to get stars to come to New York..
It wasnt that far off from when the Knicks were relevant..
I remember Damon Stoudemire and Sheed both wanted to come to thr Knicks..
But isiah always had a quick trigger when it came to trades..
Karl actually screwed that up, waiting until Game 4 to put GP on MJ. Payton played MJ pretty well defensively the rest of the series. Nevertheless, Chicago would have probably won regardless if Karl had put The Glove on Jordan from the jump.
Ummm I've lived it. No thanks. Now that we actually appear to have left the woods why in ever loving hell would I wanna go back and re-live it. Hard pass.
Did you see their stat line from last night? The Wiz played three centers 16 minutes apiece and they combined to score 39 points on 16-18 from the field with 11 rebounds. I know it was against OKC, but that’s crazy.
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Gafford seems like a steal for Washington. He's #1 in the NBA in terms of rim protection since the trade deadline and is averaging 11 and 6 with 2 blocks since joining them. A Mitch type.
Did you see their stat line from last night? The Wiz played three centers 16 minutes apiece and they combined to score 39 points on 16-18 from the field with 11 rebounds. I know it was against OKC, but that’s crazy.
I didn't but that is a ridiculous line. Jeez.
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The Athletic is doing a podcast called 'Shattered'...pretty much an oral history of the last 20 years of Knicks basketball. It's obviously not the cheery of pods, but it's a solid listen with a bunch of guests jumping on.
Ummm I've lived it. No thanks. Now that we actually appear to have left the woods why in ever loving hell would I wanna go back and re-live it. Hard pass.
Stu, I respect that, Haha. I don't blame ya. I'm a sucker for those type of pods though.