Wanted to share some of my player comparisons for some of the players in the draft.
I want to make it clear that this is NOT a referendum on the player's upside or talent level. This is simply to look at playstyle!
Every player has nuance to their game that makes them unique, but it makes it easier for me to visualize how they'd fit into the NFL by giving them pro comparisons.
Without further ado:
Offensive line
Player: OT Penei Sewell
Pro comp: Jawaan Taylor. Was one of the most devastating run blocking prospects I've seen. Sewell tops that and has the same movement skills to get upfield that Taylor has had. Sewell and Taylor both had good footwork as well. Sewell is 20 lbs heavier and didn't have medicals like Taylor did.
Player: OT Rashawn Slater
Pro comp: Jake Matthews. Inside/out flex to play multiple spots on the line. Loved Matthews as a prospect as he was super fast to get to his spots on more vertical sets and had an adequate punch. Why he isn't Andre Dillard is the ability to anchor too and isn't Charmin soft.
Player: OL Creed Humphrey
Pro comp: Elgton Jenkins. Jenkins has played kind of everywhere for the Packers but made his hay as a center first. Both are extremely strong at the point of attack despite not being the biggest guys. Humphrey has a wrestling background and both can grapple with the best of them. Scheme diverse in my eyes.
Player: OG Trey Smith
Pro comp: Cody Ford. Powerful bulldozer of a player that plays with a mean streak and is intelligent. Has the experience of playing at both tackle and guard. Lateral agility leaves something to be desired but has requisite athleticism to work on it.
Player: OG Alijah Vera-Tucker
Pro comp: Joel Bitonio. Both are kind of dominant players. The calling card for both guys is balance and footwork. AVT has the skillset to be an insanely good left guard and a wall in pass protection. Both very good at the second level as well.
Wide Receiver
Player: WR Ja'marr Chase
Pro comp: Deandre Hopkins. Otherworldly contested catch and 50/50 ball skills. Sneaky good at getting free at the catch point despite not have elite straight line speed. Good route runner.
Player: WR Terrace Marshall Jr
Pro comp: Kenny Golladay. Very easy comparator here. Both do not rely on separation via speed to win, but are probably one of the best jump ball and contested catch players out there.
Player: WR Jaylen Waddle
Pro comp: Tyreek Hill. People throw out Tyreek comps with any old fast guy. No. Here's what makes Waddle = Tyreek 2.0.
1) Deep ball tracking
2) Contested catch ability/rock solid hands
3) Ability to accelerate while breaking off stem of route
4) Raw speed
Player: WR Devonta Smith
Pro comp: Stefon Diggs. Really advanced route runner with a bigger catch radius than frame would suggest. Super smooth in and out of breaks and has houdini like ability to "disappear" from defenders despite being focal point of respective offense
Player: WR Rashod Bateman
Pro comp: Michael Gallup. Average sized players with a 2nd gear and very good contested catch ability, both excel in vertical scheme based offenses. Bateman is a very good route runner for his size and can outmuscle a lot of defensive ends. I know Gallup is WR3 for Dallas but can be a WR1 for a lot of teams.
Cornerback
Player: CB Caleb Farley
Pro comp: Xavier Rhodes. Press-man alpha boundary corner that plays extremely physical. Both Farley and Rhodes look high-cut and angular and use upper body strength to bully WRs. Farley a bit more athletic and has better upside.
Player: CB Patrick Surtain II
Pro comp: Xavien Howard. Bigger than average corners with average deep speed but super disciplined. Surtain's ability to switch from backpedal to trail maybe only bested by Okudah year before. Discipline and smarts led to a lot of INTs by Howard.
Player: CB Jaycee Horn
Pro comp: Jalen Ramsey. Aggressive press corner that excels in man coverage with incredibly smooth transition from backpedal to trail technique. Plays with an arrogance that you like to see. Insane catch up ability. Horn actually has the best RAS (relative athletic score) of any CB in the last 30 years.
Off Ball Linebacker
Player: LB Zaven Collins
Pro comp: Anthony Barr. Really toolsy and really athletic big bodied true inside linebacker that can move laterally quite well and are excellent blitzers. Both do their best work, however, when dropping back in coverage. Solid tacklers. I think in this case, Collins' talent level matches that of Barr's.
Player: LB Micah Parsons
Pro comp: Devin White. Easy comparison but both are extremely aggressive up field gap shooters that can shed blocks quite easily. Also uber-athletic as you can see by pro-day. I do not think Parsons has White's pass coverage ability and is a bit less instinctive.
Player: LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah
Pro comp: Xavier McKinney. Kind of short for a LB but EXPLOSIVE playmaker that will likely find a home as a weakside off ball linebacker or box safety that specializes in covering RBs out of the flat or simply just knocking them on their ass in run defense.
Player: LB Jabril Cox
Pro comp: Demario Davis. Firebreathing linebacker that is aggressive almost to a fault. Huge upside in terms of a cover linebacker and a very good tackler as well.
EDGE Rusher
Player: EDGE Kwity Paye
Pro comp: Frank Clark. Maybe it's the MICH helmet but both got similar frames and have a juiced up first punch and motor. Paye doesn't know how to pass rush and will need to be taught but is already close to an elite run defender. Underrated explosion.
Player: EDGE Gregory Rousseau
Pro comp: Marcus Davenport. Think he's kind of a dead ringer. Similar length & frame. Definitely has some freakish speed to power. Watch Rousseau get knockback on his initial punch. Unfortunately real raw as pass rusher.
Player: EDGE Azeez Ojulari
Pro comp: Leonard Floyd. Both Bulldogs are tall and angular with really good but inconsistent bend. Excellent burst and closing speed. Long arms and lateral quickness means they can contribute off ball as well.
Player: EDGE Jaelen Phillips
Pro comp: Bradley Chubb. Top tier pass rushing prospect out of college with fantastic build in the 6'4-6'5, 265 lbs range. Chubb didn't test nearly as well as Phillips but both showed similar explosiveness, power, and short area quickness on film. Both were nightmares on stunts and are scheme versatlie.
Player: EDGE Quincy Roche
Pro comp: Oshane Ximines. Both had incredibly advanced hand technique coming out of college. This is how they win. Average athletes that can come off the snap too high sometimes.
Player: EDGE Jayson Oweh
Pro comp: Manny Lawson. Athletic freaks that were initially pass rushers. Long armed to stay clean but needs some help with learning how to effectively pass rush. Bend can be good but inconsistent. Think he will need the right teacher in order to make use of prodigious gifts; was not the case for Lawson.
Player: EDGE Joseph Ossai
Pro comp: Haason Reddick. Scheme versatile with above average athleticism, wins with first step and leverage. Powerful at point of attack with decent bend. Ossai was converted off ball linebacker so has movement skills needed to be an excellent 3-4 outside linebacker.
A random internet commenter that enjoys the draft. It's how I've started almost all of my posts and I use it just out of habit to maintain some semblance of regularity. I don't mean to use it that way out of arrogance.
Why is that triggering for you? Do you feel as if the time you spent making that comment a worthwhile use of your time instead of discussing the content of the post?
Third person?
I do not know how accurate you are, but it appears to be a nice write up.
Do you ask for every posters credentials when they share their opinions?
Jimmy doesn't like misunderstanding.
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Do you ask for every posters credentials when they share their opinions?
I've been here long enough that you know I don't. But when someone posts something that makes him look like an "expert", I'm curious if I should regard him that way.
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Do you ask for every posters credentials when they share their opinions?
I've been here long enough that you know I don't. But when someone posts something that makes him look like an "expert", I'm curious if I should regard him that way.
And apologies, I do not pretend to be a scout or to be an absolute professional. I am not. I do not mean for these threads to come off that way.
This is merely to invoke conversation based on my observations and opinions. And I like to share!
I appreciate that you're needlessly confrontational but don't want to swear. It's like "I'm ok being a dick, but I'm not uncouth". Gotta stick to your principles.
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Referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
Third person?
I do not know how accurate you are, but it appears to be a nice write up.
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
Invictus XI is this you? Did you finish med school? What are you up to now?
Appreciate ya brother
I dont think you read the thread title.
I was also kinda breaking balls. Dave-Te (RIP) used to do the same thing and it always read like his word was from on high.
I am not going to let this get out of hand. But all of you, including j_rud) would have thought I sounded like a dipshit if the mock draft I put up a couple of days ago was titled "chopperhatch's mock draft."
Thats all I meant.
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
Invictus XI is this you? Did you finish med school? What are you up to now?
Yup, that's me! Finished med school quite awhile ago. I'm practicing in Philly now but moving to New Jersey later this year.
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In comment 15225187 Bill in UT said:
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
Invictus XI is this you? Did you finish med school? What are you up to now?
Yup, that's me! Finished med school quite awhile ago. I'm practicing in Philly now but moving to New Jersey later this year.
Well if youre an actual THING, I apologize for being rude. I just am used to putting up the pikes during draft season.
Sorry for beimg a dick.
I always found him to be interesting, analytical, and knowledgeable without being condescending or argumentative.
Welcome to BBI, look forward to your posts.
pb15
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In comment 15225187 Bill in UT said:
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
Invictus XI is this you? Did you finish med school? What are you up to now?
Yup, that's me! Finished med school quite awhile ago. I'm practicing in Philly now but moving to New Jersey later this year.
Well if youre an actual THING, I apologize for being rude. I just am used to putting up the pikes during draft season.
Sorry for beimg a dick.
I'm not really a thing and no need to apologize. It's all good
I think the pick is going to be one of the 2 edges (paye or ojulari) even if Smith is there. Despite what many say on here, they both bring a much more unique skill set for the position and I also think Smith has a massive question mark due to his build
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Just busting your stones. Only reason I can spot a dick so quickly is bc Ive been one for a fairly large portion of my life.
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But yea, Im still a dick. Ask j_rud.
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Just busting your stones. Only reason I can spot a dick so quickly is bc Ive been one for a fairly large portion of my life.
Well, Im the same way. Things het fishy here come draft time and I am quick to bark.
A few things, I think many of the comps are off.
- Chase does not remind me of DeAndre Hopkins. Hopkins is long, angular. Both Chase and Hopkins succeed with exceptional body control, but Chase reminds me more of a faster Hakeem Nicks.
- Penei Sewell does NOT remind me of Taylor. He reminds me more of Brandon Scherff(sp?) or Trent Williams
- Devonta Smith remimds me in NO way of Diggs. Diggs many times muscles his way free of his teefender and then gets open. Smith is a hlider into open space. My fear of taking him is that the play has to be designed for him. Diggs can do that on his own.
- I like the Bateman/Gallup comp. I like the USC OL comp with Bitonio
- Slater and Matthews is off IMO. I think Slater is more Zack Martin.
- Comparing Paye to Clark I think is hilarious....one is a bonafide pass rusher with good run game, the other is a clinical run defender in desperate need of pass rush coaching.
- Ojulari is similar to Floyd only in that they both come from UGA. Ojulari is a power rusher with step and an ability to hold the edge. Floyd was a springy DE who people wanted to think cpuld cover but couldnt and gets devoyred by good Tackles.
Whatever, glad he took the time but there is a lot of head scratchers with those breakdowns.
The only one that strikes me as really off is Jaelon Phillips / Bradley Chubb.
I don't see that one at all
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This is not meant to be confrontive, but I have no idea who you are or what your background/credibility is. Can you help me with that before I bother reading your post?
Sure thing. I'm an internet commenter but if you want some of my previous work, I was a frontpage writer for BigBlueView for almost 5 years.
Here are just a tiny sampling of the 200+ articles I've written for them over the years:
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/4/9/8351343/2015-nfl-draft-strategy-positional-value-asset-allocation-ny-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2013/3/20/4128932/film-study-dt-sheldon-richardson
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/2/26/8037413/film-study-andrus-peat-2015-nfl-draft-giants-new-york-stanford-offensive-line
https://www.bigblueview.com/2014/3/20/5437422/nfl-draft-2014-film-kyle-van-noy-film-study-scouting-report-giants
https://www.bigblueview.com/2015/1/21/7862303/nfl-draft-prospect-brandon-scherff-a-2015-guard-or-a-tackle
I've also provided some stuff on this website before as well:
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=605725
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582901
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582973
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=582860
Thanks, appreciate it. :)
Power rusher was probably the wrong way to put it. I guess I meant straight line. I saw a breakdown where he used his length to drive a blocker into another blocker to free up his teammate on a loop. Then on his rush, he used that same arm length to get the blocker upright and then shed him to get to the QB. I viewed it as a power move because he didnt do much besides push the blocker towards the QB.
I always found him to be interesting, analytical, and knowledgeable without being condescending or argumentative.
Welcome to BBI, look forward to your posts.
pb15
KSIXI is putting up some good threads/info lately, and has to get bombarded by a few of the chuckleheads that roam on here? Even if he weren't a former writer for BBV, those criticizing posts would look foolish, but that he was makes it all the better. Comic relief...
Totally agree.
You can refer to yourself in the 4th person (or the 5th dimension) for all I care and no one is forcing anyone to read your threads.
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Referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
I appreciate that you're needlessly confrontational but don't want to swear. It's like "I'm ok being a dick, but I'm not uncouth". Gotta stick to your principles.
This made me chuckle. Thanks j_rud
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I believe he started out as a commenter, wrote longer “fanposts” and was recruited by Ed Valentine to write articles.
I always found him to be interesting, analytical, and knowledgeable without being condescending or argumentative.
Welcome to BBI, look forward to your posts.
pb15
KSIXI is putting up some good threads/info lately, and has to get bombarded by a few of the chuckleheads that roam on here? Even if he weren't a former writer for BBV, those criticizing posts would look foolish, but that he was makes it all the better. Comic relief...
I took at as just a Seinfeld "Jimmy" reference in the interest of good natured fun... maybe not? At any rate good thread.
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I believe he started out as a commenter, wrote longer “fanposts” and was recruited by Ed Valentine to write articles.
I always found him to be interesting, analytical, and knowledgeable without being condescending or argumentative.
Welcome to BBI, look forward to your posts.
pb15
KSIXI is putting up some good threads/info lately, and has to get bombarded by a few of the chuckleheads that roam on here? Even if he weren't a former writer for BBV, those criticizing posts would look foolish, but that he was makes it all the better. Comic relief...
I took at as just a Seinfeld "Jimmy" reference in the interest of good natured fun... maybe not? At any rate good thread.
Mine was. I like KSix.
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