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| The long and short of Rashawn Slater’s NFL scouting report looks something like this: great tape, but Tyrannosaurus-sized arms. “I think I am the best tackle in the draft. I have a really high level of confidence about that,” Slater said. “But, at the same time, I’m a team player. If a team wants to play me at guard, so be it. I’m all for it. “ |
If Slater had 31 or 32" arms than I can see some concern. But he's 3/4 of an inch within the so called preferred zone.
3/4 of an inch.
But let's draft a 170lb WR at a position where only about 27-30% of first rounders are hits. Versus a position like OL where the hit rate is 60%; and the guy we could get can play 4 positions for our weakest unit. And if we needed him to, he could probably play C.
If this guy is there at #11, it would be foolish to pass him up.
Reminder - we still can't block. Anybody.
This year, the arm length measurements were done at all the various Pro Days. It is my understanding that several dozen DIFFERENT people did the measurements this year.
When we are talking about differences of 1/4 inch or a 1/2 inch, it really is meaningless considering so many different people were doing the measurements and the Combine consistency didn't exist this year.
...32 inches baby...
...Ereck Flowers may have been 35 inches but who cares...
...Draft the best player, OT or OG or WR or Edge...
...The big ten inch doesn't count
...32 inches baby...
...Ereck Flowers may have been 35 inches but who cares...
...Draft the best player, OT or OG or WR or Edge...
...The big ten inch doesn't count
That's what she said. :)
he's small. Apparantly, like Pugh, maxed out. There is such a thing as a big 310 lbs and a much bigger man weighing the same. Sewell is 20, this kid (young man) is 22.
His anchor has been questioned. Giving the QB room to step up almost as important as protecting from the defensive end who has more steps to get to the QB than a defensive tackle. In the modern game of three step drops and out, the defensive end is becoming less important relative to the defensive tackle who can disrupt the pocket's integrity even if a sac doesn't result
Then there's the position and relative value. People are still squawking about spending an early pick on a RB much less a guard. Nelson was one thing but he was very "safe' as well as very very good, this guy has legitimate questions. And personally, I worry about his handling a 340 lbs guy over his head, I see him being pushed backwards and taking away the QB safety zone.
I love the idea of stabilizing the line, but i wonder if that help isn't going to be there later and might be as good or better than Rayshawn.
Smarter people with infinitely more resources than me (us?) are getting paid to make these evaluations.
This year, the arm length measurements were done at all the various Pro Days. It is my understanding that several dozen DIFFERENT people did the measurements this year.
When we are talking about differences of 1/4 inch or a 1/2 inch, it really is meaningless considering so many different people were doing the measurements and the Combine consistency didn't exist this year.
Yes this was discussed endlessly on the Lombardi podcast. He said the main draw to the combine is the measurements and Medical’s. The workouts mean nothing. 40 times mean nothing. He said it’s a social dynamic there scouts talk to one another. Coaches talk to one another. You get a feel for what teams are doing. He said the actual on field work is just for show and a revenue stream. It’s about measurements and Medical’s.
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one of the best things about the Combine was that ONE professional was designated to measure arm length for every single player attending.
This year, the arm length measurements were done at all the various Pro Days. It is my understanding that several dozen DIFFERENT people did the measurements this year.
When we are talking about differences of 1/4 inch or a 1/2 inch, it really is meaningless considering so many different people were doing the measurements and the Combine consistency didn't exist this year.
Yes this was discussed endlessly on the Lombardi podcast. He said the main draw to the combine is the measurements and Medical’s. The workouts mean nothing. 40 times mean nothing. He said it’s a social dynamic there scouts talk to one another. Coaches talk to one another. You get a feel for what teams are doing. He said the actual on field work is just for show and a revenue stream. It’s about measurements and Medical’s.
That hits the nail on the head. For most of the coaches and scouts there, it is about catching up and networking. Very rarely is a 40 time or a workout of a known player impacting a pick. The only workouts some are interested in are some of the smaller school guys that will help a border-line guy either get on a board or off a board.
So many here are fixated on this because Pugh sucked. He sucked because he wasn't very good and had too high an opinion of himself. Wasn't his fault he was overdrafted. Sy gave him a 72 (mid-day 3).
Thanks mcphedge for the Joe Thomas info.
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one of the best things about the Combine was that ONE professional was designated to measure arm length for every single player attending.
This year, the arm length measurements were done at all the various Pro Days. It is my understanding that several dozen DIFFERENT people did the measurements this year.
When we are talking about differences of 1/4 inch or a 1/2 inch, it really is meaningless considering so many different people were doing the measurements and the Combine consistency didn't exist this year.
Yes this was discussed endlessly on the Lombardi podcast. He said the main draw to the combine is the measurements and Medical’s. The workouts mean nothing. 40 times mean nothing. He said it’s a social dynamic there scouts talk to one another. Coaches talk to one another. You get a feel for what teams are doing. He said the actual on field work is just for show and a revenue stream. It’s about measurements and Medical’s.
That hits the nail on the head. For most of the coaches and scouts there, it is about catching up and networking. Very rarely is a 40 time or a workout of a known player impacting a pick. The only workouts some are interested in are some of the smaller school guys that will help a border-line guy either get on a board or off a board.
Coughlin was always there in person with his own personal stop watch timing dudes though.
So many here are fixated on this because Pugh sucked. He sucked because he wasn't very good and had too high an opinion of himself. Wasn't his fault he was overdrafted. Sy gave him a 72 (mid-day 3).
Thanks mcphedge for the Joe Thomas info.
Pugh did NOT suck. Injuries did him in. When healthy he flashed above average or better talent at both RT and OG
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In comment 15225239 YANKEE28 said:
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one of the best things about the Combine was that ONE professional was designated to measure arm length for every single player attending.
This year, the arm length measurements were done at all the various Pro Days. It is my understanding that several dozen DIFFERENT people did the measurements this year.
When we are talking about differences of 1/4 inch or a 1/2 inch, it really is meaningless considering so many different people were doing the measurements and the Combine consistency didn't exist this year.
Yes this was discussed endlessly on the Lombardi podcast. He said the main draw to the combine is the measurements and Medical’s. The workouts mean nothing. 40 times mean nothing. He said it’s a social dynamic there scouts talk to one another. Coaches talk to one another. You get a feel for what teams are doing. He said the actual on field work is just for show and a revenue stream. It’s about measurements and Medical’s.
That hits the nail on the head. For most of the coaches and scouts there, it is about catching up and networking. Very rarely is a 40 time or a workout of a known player impacting a pick. The only workouts some are interested in are some of the smaller school guys that will help a border-line guy either get on a board or off a board.
Coughlin was always there in person with his own personal stop watch timing dudes though.
Aw man, there's a good story to go along with that.
Jon Gruden (I think he was a commentator at the time) was talking to Coughlin about that and said "You know, I have guys who do that for me". And TC said something along the lines of "Johnny, you new school guys just don't learn the fundamentals anymore" And Gruden was shaking his head for the next few minutes laughing at being called new school!!
The best thing for me at the Combine is seeing the guys banter back and forth like that and not have the in-season stress and allegiances keeping them apart.
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paying the check. If his arms are long enough to punch under the opponents pads that's enough.
So many here are fixated on this because Pugh sucked. He sucked because he wasn't very good and had too high an opinion of himself. Wasn't his fault he was overdrafted. Sy gave him a 72 (mid-day 3).
Thanks mcphedge for the Joe Thomas info.
Pugh did NOT suck. Injuries did him in. When healthy he flashed above average or better talent at both RT and OG
Uh, yeah he did. Meh at best. We can agree to disagree.
And we need to stop the Joe Thomas comparisons. He was a top 3 pick and hall of famer. He was projected to be an elite NFL OT. Slater is not projected at that.
Slater is 33.
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Joe Thomas had 33.75 arms. Not 32.
Slater is 33.
I realize that, I was just commenting on the one poster who said Thomas had 32 inch arms
We need talent, and I want it at WR or LB. I do not fell any OL including Sewell is worthy of a top 15 pick in this draft class.
We need instant impact players. Its time to WIN!
he's small. Apparantly, like Pugh, maxed out. There is such a thing as a big 310 lbs and a much bigger man weighing the same. Sewell is 20, this kid (young man) is 22.
His anchor has been questioned. Giving the QB room to step up almost as important as protecting from the defensive end who has more steps to get to the QB than a defensive tackle. In the modern game of three step drops and out, the defensive end is becoming less important relative to the defensive tackle who can disrupt the pocket's integrity even if a sac doesn't result
Then there's the position and relative value. People are still squawking about spending an early pick on a RB much less a guard. Nelson was one thing but he was very "safe' as well as very very good, this guy has legitimate questions. And personally, I worry about his handling a 340 lbs guy over his head, I see him being pushed backwards and taking away the QB safety zone.
I love the idea of stabilizing the line, but i wonder if that help isn't going to be there later and might be as good or better than Rayshawn.
Smarter people with infinitely more resources than me (us?) are getting paid to make these evaluations.
I've not heard this mentioned much and it is a concern for me. He is not a huge guy.
That is a legitimate concern. A good technician, low ceiling type is not what I'd want at #11. At some point this team needs to draft some good starters in rounds 2-7.
We would be bringing him in to be a guard and an OT in a pinch. We now have weapons to make the O good we just need the OL. Imagine if we have the same OL for the next 4 years? Part of being a good OL is consistency. We havent had a Good OL in close to 10 years. OG is a glaring hole on this team. We didnt improve we got worse in that spot while we have improved in most other areas. We either need to draft a starter or grab a guy that gets cut after the draft but it needs to be addressed.
But, I am quite certain it will have nothing to do with the length of his arms.
from the same article.
"Staley’s arm length (33 ½ inches) was questioned at the start of a 12-year career that included six Pro Bowls ..."
But, I am quite certain it will have nothing to do with the length of his arms.
from the same article.
"Staley’s arm length (33 ½ inches) was questioned at the start of a 12-year career that included six Pro Bowls ..."
Staley was recruited as a TE and ran a 4.70 forty. He was an exceptional athlete and yes, he did overcome the length issue. Neither of these guys is Joe Staley, who, by the way, was drafted in the tail end of round 1 - not top 15.
Outliers are just that. They don't overturn rules or trends.
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he's small. Apparantly, like Pugh, maxed out. There is such a thing as a big 310 lbs and a much bigger man weighing the same.
That is a legitimate concern. A good technician, low ceiling type is not what I'd want at #11. At some point this team needs to draft some good starters in rounds 2-7.
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